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Dronepool
06-21-2009, 10:55 PM
http://i40.tinypic.com/2898n79.jpg


http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/06/21/fir ... you-think/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/06/21/first-photos-tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-what-do-you-think/)

S.D.
06-21-2009, 10:57 PM
Like most people, I was a little dubious about this project, just simply because it seemed to be the fashionable thing to do, but those pictures do look fucking cool. Some have criticised Helena Bonham-Carter's continued appearance in Burton's work, but I like that, he has clearly found his muse and she is very talented at developing a range of characters.

rararoxsox
06-21-2009, 10:58 PM
I seriously might die from excitement. Thanks for posting this!

Peaches
06-21-2009, 11:01 PM
Oooooooooooooooooooooooh.
Now I'm excited about this! I was very dubious (perfect word for it, S.D.) about it before seeing these pictures. Not so much anymore :D Who is playing Alice?

edit: this girl is! http://www.galaxie.name/obrazky/mia-wasikowska-2415.jpg

Lauren
06-21-2009, 11:06 PM
WOW! This looks beautiful and a lot different than I thought it would. Can't wait to see it now.

S.D.
06-21-2009, 11:09 PM
Johnny Depp looks like Carrot Top.

Sopa De Conejo
06-22-2009, 12:12 AM
^ But sans the 'roids.

I am digging this so hard right now.

>.<

ipwnmyself
06-22-2009, 12:22 AM
Wow, I didn't know that it would look that good!

The Empirical Guy
06-22-2009, 05:06 AM
I remain dubious of this until I see it finished. Burton does great stuff on his own, but based on his Charlie & The Chocolate Factory, I'm not sure if he can do adaptations. At least, I couldn't stand what he did to that film. But I'll give this one a go, for sure.

ozebane
06-22-2009, 05:24 AM
It looks good!
Seems like he's using his happy colour palette, like in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Mar.
06-22-2009, 06:48 AM
I wanna see what Alan Rickman and Christopher Lee are gonna look like. Boy, this is gonna be a trippy movie.

ImNotJesus
06-22-2009, 06:58 AM
I remain dubious of this until I see it finished. Burton does great stuff on his own, but based on his Charlie & The Chocolate Factory, I'm not sure if he can do adaptations. At least, I couldn't stand what he did to that film. But I'll give this one a go, for sure.

I agree completely, in-fact, I think unless he decides to step outside his many comfort zones (ie, Johnny Depp, HBC, Semi-dark-fantasy themes), then his films will continue to be 'good' or 'okay', as apposed to what they could potentially be.

secretsquirrely
06-22-2009, 07:00 AM
Damn it, seems I was late one the news of this lol I am pretty pleased with these pics. Red Queen is not really what I would have liked, but still cool. This movie is going to be epic on a degree that my brain can not handle. Damn I wish I could still look at all of the 'Phants archives, it had a lot of good updates from the past for this film

Ich_Bin_Du
06-22-2009, 07:48 AM
I didn't know about that movie! But it looks really good!
Let me know when a trailer is out. =D

Lecter
06-22-2009, 08:30 AM
He looks like Elijah Wood.

:p

Cassandra
06-22-2009, 09:01 AM
I'm really excited for this movie. Alice is one of my favorite things and I love Tim Burton too.

secretsquirrely
06-22-2009, 12:47 PM
More pictures released..if we're lucky we'll be seeing Rickman and sheen soon too.

Alice:
http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/burtonaliceadd1.jpg]

Tweedle Dee and Dum:
http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/burtonaliceadd2.jpg

The Hand
06-22-2009, 01:31 PM
It seems a bit eyeroll-worthy, but I always give his films a chance. He hasn't lost it.

He hasn't got Bo Welch doing Production Design though!

A lot of people talk about Burton's distinctive visual style as a director, and I don't doubt he has input, but nonetheless it's funny how the ones Bo did Production Design for look absolutely amazing (Scissorhands, Beetlejuice, Batman films - Scissorhands may well be the best production job I have ever seen), shame he isn't on board.

HBC thing doesn't bother me, because she's excellent & her relationship with TB doesn't seem to affect anything adversely. Although I can't help but think some interesting looking, unknown ladies might have been cast in his films if it weren't for her...

Maniac Master
06-22-2009, 03:29 PM
this will be so great, i'll definitly watch this movie.
can't wait, to be honest. :)

Norsefire
06-22-2009, 04:20 PM
I look forward to seeing this as well.

Ludwig
06-22-2009, 04:27 PM
These pictures show great promise for the movie, but Tim Burton's movie (especially recently) seem to tread ever so slightly to far towards style over substance, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Sweeney Todd were great to look at but felt a bit cold.

Golden Eel
06-22-2009, 04:56 PM
Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/ ... babdc4.jpg (http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/zz4fbabdc4.jpg)

spaceSuicide
06-22-2009, 05:05 PM
I'm so ready to see this movie. It's looking delightfully twisted more and more but that's the old Burtonesque touch for you.

Depp looks truly mad as the Mad Hatter should be. I can't wait.

Golden Eel
06-22-2009, 05:14 PM
One of the Hatter's eyes is lazy.

secretsquirrely
06-23-2009, 05:26 AM
One of the Hatter's eyes is lazy.

Actually, look closer. One side of his whole face is popping to make him look extra "mad". One cheek is also dropping more yet larger than the other. Great attention to detail with the faces I see.

And blast my links to the Alice and Tweedle pics borked. Will add them to photobucket.

rararoxsox
06-23-2009, 09:21 AM
And blast my links to the Alice and Tweedle pics borked. Will add them to photobucket.

Hope you don't mind that I did it for you...

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd87/rararoxsox/photo04.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd87/rararoxsox/photo06.jpg

secretsquirrely
06-23-2009, 10:50 AM
Hope you don't mind that I did it for you...

Not at all, and here's the Alice pic I was referring to:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/secretsquirrely/burtonaliceadd1.jpg

Peaches
06-23-2009, 10:55 AM
Tweedledee and Tweedledum scare me =(
I already know that the whole time I'm watching them on screen, I'll feel all nervous and restless.

I can't wait to see Alan Rickman. That man is the SHIT.

Maniac Master
06-23-2009, 11:06 AM
i think the director and all the actors are the SHIT. :D

spaceSuicide
06-23-2009, 12:08 PM
Talking Flowers

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/ ... _popup.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/22/article-1194668-056E4DD6000005DC-526_468x234_popup.jpg)

and the White rabbit

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/ ... _popup.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/22/article-1194668-056E4DC6000005DC-165_468x286_popup.jpg)

secretsquirrely
06-23-2009, 12:28 PM
Talking Flowers

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/ ... _popup.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/22/article-1194668-056E4DD6000005DC-526_468x234_popup.jpg)

and the White rabbit

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/ ... _popup.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/22/article-1194668-056E4DC6000005DC-165_468x286_popup.jpg)


Yeah those concept pieces rock. Now let's just hope they keep it like that for the actual film.

jonfen
06-24-2009, 04:11 AM
Wow! Great pictures! Thanks to all for sharing them.

Lecter said that The Mad Hatter looks a bit like Elijah Wood. It's strange, when I first looked at the picture, I had the same impression. It must be a combination of the jaws and the eyes, or the mouth? I really can't tell. Maybe it's just in our eyes :)

I'm not afraid about this project turning bad at all. I don't know, it seems to me like it's a story / universe just begging for Burton's perspective on things. All is do bizarre, so intriguingly magical, I think he'll do a great job transforming the world.

I don't really like how Tweedledee and Tweedledum look at this stage, but I think they're supposed to look like that.

I can't wait to get my eyes drenched in Burtonesque Wonderland.

Lecter
06-24-2009, 04:24 AM
Lecter said that The Mad Hatter looks a bit like Elijah Wood. It's strange, when I first looked at the picture, I had the same impression. It must be a combination of the jaws and the eyes, or the mouth? I really can't tell. Maybe it's just in our eyes :)


I'm glad I'm not the only one!

ThreeEyedGod
06-24-2009, 12:17 PM
The Queen of Hearts is displeasing. I love the talking flowers!

Funndeath
06-24-2009, 12:28 PM
This looks awesome. Can't wait to see it.
Apparently
This adaptation will be a sequel to Lewis Carroll's classic children's book, Through the Looking Glass, picking up ten years after Alice's initial trip to Wonderland. After escaping a wedding proposal, now 17-year-old Alice ventures down the rabbit hole one more time unaware of her previous adventures.
If anyone is interested in seeing another adaptation of Alice in Wonderland, a really great one I've seen is by Jan Svankmajer's Alice. Very surreal, creative and sort of nightmarish.

jonfen
06-24-2009, 12:53 PM
Hm..all this talk about Alice in Wonderland has brought this to my mind:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/ameri ... lt;title;3 (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/americanmcgeesalice/index.html?tag=result;title;3)

vampgurl
06-26-2009, 07:39 PM
My bf and I are very excited to see this movie! Everything looks great!

secretsquirrely
06-28-2009, 11:46 AM
The official site is up people. Of course nothing too wowy in it yet, but here is the link: http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/aliceinwonderland/

Also, here is the logo: http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/aiw_logo_23_apr_09_v2-550x355.jpg

And here is a low res image of what is supposedly the first poster. I highly doubt this though...most b-movies have better posters than this and knowing Burton...he'll do better: http://www.shockya.com/news/wp-content/uploads/alice_in_wonderland_poster_mad_hatter.jpg

DecayingSinner
06-28-2009, 02:06 PM
These photos looks so good. I'm really looking forward to this. As stated earlier, I did not enjoy Willly Wonka, but I do have a good feeling about this. Alice in Wonderland is one of my favorites.

Maniac Master
06-29-2009, 10:27 AM
this seems to be a good collection of all pictures.

http://www.moviegod.de/kino/galerie/932 ... wonderland (http://www.moviegod.de/kino/galerie/932/alice-in-wonderland)

slappyDUMMY
06-30-2009, 09:16 PM
this is looking pretty good so far. I think I'll be seeing this one too.

Tinuviel
07-02-2009, 02:36 PM
These pics look very promising! Can't wait to see the movie! I think it's great that Helena Bonham-Carter is in it! I loved her in Sweeney Todd!

vampgurl
07-17-2009, 11:44 PM
New released picture.


Alice Looking Frazzled In Wonderland. Alice, 17, attends a party at a Victorian estate only to find she is about to be proposed to in front of hundreds of snooty society types. Off she runs, following a white rabbit into a hole and ending up in Wonderland


http://twitpic.com/ap3yd

Ezekhiel
07-19-2009, 07:01 AM
I love the imagery so far, I will go see it for sure. What about the Cheshire Cat ?

ThreeEyedGod
07-20-2009, 12:39 AM
I love the imagery so far, I will go see it for sure. What about the Cheshire Cat ?
I'm willing to bet it will be CGI.

spaceSuicide
07-22-2009, 08:53 PM
The trailer leaked.

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/07/22/ ... aks-early/ (http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/07/22/tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-teaser-trailer-leaks-early/)

Ich_Bin_Du
07-23-2009, 05:46 AM
The Cat looks great. ^^

Ezekhiel
07-23-2009, 01:00 PM
The Cat is my fav character.

secretsquirrely
07-23-2009, 02:01 PM
Am totally resisting the leak. There is a contest on Facebook that the one out of 3 official groups that has the most members will get the trailer shown to them..and I am in the largest one. The reveal should be tomorrow, so am seriously going to try and hold out here...eek.

spaceSuicide
07-23-2009, 02:14 PM
Am totally resisting the leak. There is a contest on Facebook that the one out of 3 official groups that has the most members will get the trailer shown to them..and I am in the largest one. The reveal should be tomorrow, so am seriously going to try and hold out here...eek.

For your reference the trailer is around 1:30 long and doesn't show too many characters than what we have seen already through the promotional photos. It doesn't really spoil anything.

Good luck holding out. :p

Maniac Master
07-23-2009, 06:05 PM
watching it right fuckin' now!

21Faces
07-24-2009, 02:15 AM
I've got to say... I think I built this movie up too much in my head waiting for some footage to come out. It's cool, but I was a little disappointed not seeing a bit of Stephen Fry's face in the Chesire Cat- it just looks so... plain. I was expecting the characters like the Chesire Cat to be more like Tweedle Dee and Dum- in that you can see Matt Lucas' face in the character design. For instance if I can't see any of Alan Rickman in the Caterpillar I will be very disappointed. I also imagined Depp's Hatter would be somehow... stranger- less "expected?" Anyway, hopefully the next trailer will be more impressive.

AlcoholicArtist
07-24-2009, 05:02 AM
The Mad Hatter seems like a cross between a camp pedophile and the joker lol.

S.D.
07-24-2009, 07:24 AM
The Mad Hatter seems like a cross between a camp pedophile and the joker.

It seems Johnny Depp is basing more and more of his performances on Marilyn Manson.

AlcoholicArtist
07-24-2009, 08:25 AM
The Mad Hatter seems like a cross between a camp pedophile and the joker.

It seems Johnny Depp is basing more and more of his performances on Marilyn Manson.

Lmao haha I actually laughed out loud at that and I'm in an internet cafe so people are staring at me :(

ThreeEyedGod
07-24-2009, 01:43 PM
Well I have to say it people...this movie looks like a cgi bloated, suck fest. Of course I am only making this judgement based on a little trailer, but I find it to be lacking in spirit.

Just my two cents.

secretsquirrely
07-25-2009, 03:15 AM
Ok finally saw this. I for one am fine with CGI, I don't think it ruins a movie if done well. And this one had be stated from the beginning to be a mix of cgi animation and real life acting. Now with this said, I too am a tad disappointed. It was boasted that they were using technology similar to what was used for Gollum in LotR...so I had expected it all to look a little less "animated", however I have also heard that even the footage in this trailer has not been fully worked on..so here's to hoping there is a bit more detail placed into it later.

I agree with Faces as well, though this was only 1:30 of a film I was a tad bored by it. Don't get me wrong, I about had an orgasm when I saw her tumbling down that hole, but I guess it was JD's performance in the few seconds I saw that turned me off...it seemed (as Faces said) "expected". A bit of Jack Sparrow movements with a Jokeresque voice and voila! But I have a feeling there is something much more they're waiting to astound us with.

I thought the Red and White Queens looked amazing (especially Anne Hathaway's creepy popping eyes), and who would have thought that Crispin Glover could look so bad ass...that was wonderful.

Not too thrilled with the Bandersnatch and Jabberwock, but meh just a difference in imaginations I guess...I was looking forward to something more closely resembling the drawings in the book for the Jabberwock than a kind of flying bird of sorts.

As far as it goes, I am still tremendously excited for this film, but I certainly want a better trailer now, and I hope they keep the bit where Depp started eating his hat on set heh

Also, yeah Alan Rickman better have his face on the Caterpillar damn it.

21Faces
07-25-2009, 03:46 AM
Glad you brought up the Joker. I'd say the late Mr. Ledger set the bar pretty high for eccentric character acting. Maybe I'm subconsciously disappointed I didn't see a bit of that... insane abandon in Depp's scenes so far. Hopefully subsequent footage will be more satisfying, even though it was immediately obvious from the first Dark Knight trailers that Ledger was offering something pretty epic. Also his colors are fucking... jarring, and I find it irritating as hell. I was expecting them to keep the same muted palette that was seen in the very first image of him:

http://media.tcpalm.com/tcp/content/img/photos/2008/11/18/madHatter.jpg

It's amazing how turning up the colors as high as they did drastically alters the tone of the whole affair. My hopes aren't dashed, but I feel more cautious about it now. Sad that I can't see any of Stephen Fry in the Cheshire Cat like you could Whoopi Goldberg in that TV movie (I loved Whoopi as the cat, I don't care what anyone says).

secretsquirrely
07-25-2009, 03:52 AM
Whoopi ruled, as did Martin Short. I guess that's a bit of the level of madness I was expecting from this Hatter as well..what Martin Short did, for me, was a perfect rendition of the character.

And I have to really agree with the statement about the colors. I know that Wonderland is supposed to be a young girl's fantasy world of awesome, but I was really expecting a darker almost "Sleepy Hollow" sort of tone after viewing that picture of Depp.

I guess we'll see what comes of this, it's not that it looks bad, but I think we both had our minds in a completely different world than Burton did and now we have to get used to it. I sort of had this when I saw Harry Potter 3 as well..I was like "huh?"

21Faces
07-25-2009, 04:44 AM
I agree Martin Short was super awesome. To the t what I imagined in the book down to the very look. With Depp, I was hoping for something in the same vein as his take on Willy Wonka. I didn't much care for the movie, but I appreciated his willingness to go somewhere unexpected with the character. I was hoping for the same with the Hatter. I don't know. Channeling Andy Warhol. Something really off the wall.

The first image of him- like we agree about the colors, suggested something a little more... sophisticated? (Maybe even austere?) So that in itself seemed to tease that he/Burton would be going a different route- maybe not "goth" Alice, per se... but you know.

And it's odd to me that they decided to make him look so... jarring and unappealing (unattractive, as GFO put) seeing as I've read a number of times he is supposedly a romantic interest for Alice in this permutation of the universe.

And it's been so long since I've seen Prisoner from Azkaban or read the book I can't remember much of anything. But I'm pretty sure it was the first HP movie I actually liked- it was directed by Alfonso Cuarron- "Children of Men," so it can't have been that bad, can it?

AlcoholicArtist
07-25-2009, 11:40 AM
I was expecting it to be abit more sinister and not so child friendly, yes I'm aware that it's for disney but still...

Lord Hypnos
07-25-2009, 11:45 AM
Does anyone have another link to the trailer? The other website has taken it down at the request of Disney.

AlcoholicArtist
07-25-2009, 12:03 PM
Just go on youtube, it's all over there now ;)

Maniac Master
07-25-2009, 01:06 PM
i'm not happy with the Cheshire Cat, but i'm fine with the rest.^^

Lord Hypnos
07-25-2009, 03:28 PM
I didn't like the trailer. I'm still hoping though.

Lauren
07-25-2009, 11:37 PM
I really liked the trailer! From what I had heard on other sites, they made it out to be cheesy, but surprisingly I didn't think so. I'm looking forward to this movie even more now.

DecayingSinner
07-26-2009, 07:23 PM
i'm not happy with the Cheshire Cat, but i'm fine with the rest.^^

Likewise, but at a first glance, this movie looks fucking awesome. I can't wait.

spaceSuicide
01-22-2010, 05:06 AM
The soundtracks were announced. The original score will be composed by none other than Danny Elfman!

Then there will be another one with songs by various artists, entitled Almost Alice, and saldy I am disappointed by the tracklisting. I hate almost all of the bands. :(

The tracklisting for Almost Alice is as follows:

"Alice (Underground)" by Avril Lavigne
"The Poison" by The All-American Rejects
"The Technicolor Phase" by Owl City
"Her Name Is Alice" by Shinedown
"Painting Flowers" by All Time Low
"Where's My Angel" by Metro Station
"Strange" by Tokio Hotel and Kerli
"Follow Me Down" by 3OH!3 and Neon Hitch
"Very Good Advice" by Robert Smith
"In Transit" by Mark Hoppus and Pete Wentz
"Welcome to Mystery" by Plain White T's
"Tea Party" performed by Kerli
"The Lobster Quadrille" by Franz Ferdinand
"Running Out of Time" by Motion City Soundtrack
"Fell Down a Hole" by Wolfmother
"White Rabbit" by Grace Potter and the Nocturnals
"Topsy Turvy" by Family Force 5

I only like/want Robert Smith, Franz Ferdinand and Kerli.

secretsquirrely
01-22-2010, 06:56 AM
^that's fucking awful.

None of those artists really deserve to be on a Wonderland-themed album in my opinion. and yes I'm one of those hardcore Alice fans that gets pretentious about this shit. Jesus I hate Disney so much some times. I mean seriously....Tokio Hotel? Might as well put the fucking Jonas Brothers all over the damn album

Maniac Master
01-22-2010, 08:18 AM
forget the soundtrack, only the score matters!

Dronepool
01-22-2010, 11:13 AM
I only like Robert Smith out of that pile of poo. But yeah, soundtracks like that don't matter.

21Faces
01-22-2010, 02:08 PM
Since the Hot Topics at the shopping malls here were swamped with Alice merch the day after Christmas I'm not at all surprised by the lame soundtrack. It's better that it's something I can ignore entirely, but still... it's frustrating to think about how cool it could have been if they got real artists to contribute. Marilyn, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Billy Corgan, even GaGa- seem more like artists oriented in a direction that would actually yield some interesting Alice-themed music. Ah well. Art is business.

absinthe bunny
01-23-2010, 09:43 AM
I onl like Robert Smith, the rest of the bands I just don't care about or I hate (Tokio Hotel... really?)

Hazekiah
01-23-2010, 01:19 PM
I don't really see any of that crap ending up in the movie much anyway, so whatever. :-\

secretsquirrely
02-15-2010, 10:18 AM
I am so...fucking...PISSED. Due to a dispute with Disney many major cinema chains throughout Europe and some in the U.S. are planning on pulling Alice in Wonderland out of cinemas!!! Disney wants to open the film on the 5th of March, however, they only want the film to run for 12 weeks instead of the standard 17 weeks, so they can bring it out on DVD by the time the World Cup rolls around. And cinemas are furuious.

I'd provide a link, but simply google "Alice in Wonderland pulled" and you'll find the stories.

Just great, I've waited for fucking years for this goddamn movie and it is taken away from me. Every cinema website here that had it on the list has now taken it off of their agenda. This ruined my whole fucking day...

spaceSuicide
02-15-2010, 01:38 PM
Disney is a FAIL more and more every year anymore.

jonfen
02-15-2010, 02:17 PM
Oh man, and we were planning on seeing this one in 3D. I hope we'll be able to.. :-S

I'm so sad to see what Disney is right now. I don't know if it has always been like this, but how much money can you crave for? Sheesh. Not enough, apparently.

That's why I'm a bit sad Pixar is working with Disney. Up! Has proven to be a disappointment, personally. Well, not quite related to the matter at hand.

spaceSuicide
03-03-2010, 03:01 PM
I downloaded Almost Alice. It's absolute rubbish other than the songs by Robert Smith, Franz Ferdinand and Kerli.

I don't recommend it unless you're into radio friendly/commercialized junk. Lots of pop punk and other putrid stuff.

-

I'm seeing this Friday or Saturday, depends on what my girlfriend wants to do. May or may not see it in 3-D. We'll see.

secretsquirrely
03-03-2010, 03:18 PM
^I whole heartedly agree Nick. I only would have even taken Robert Smith off the list of my likes. I loved how he did a song from the original and made it sound cool, but his voice is just even more awful than ever before in that song.

And hooray! Alice in Wonderland is now being allowed to be shown in the Netherlands! The decision was made last week. I'll be seeing this on Tuesday!

DecayingSinner
03-03-2010, 04:25 PM
I have my tickets to see it this Saturday on IMAX 3D. Can not wait!!!

spaceSuicide
03-06-2010, 08:08 AM
Seen it last night, I'll leave feedback or a video later.

21Faces
03-06-2010, 08:12 AM
meh

Ich_Bin_Du
03-06-2010, 08:35 AM
Gonna watch it next week with some friends, can't waint. :)

Dysmorphia
03-06-2010, 10:58 PM
I am seeing it on Tuesday- and dressing up for it! Even though I love Tim Burton I don't think that Alice in Wonderland will be as good as the original Disney film. Really not keen on 3D movies, they give me headaches and I have to wear 2 sets of glasses! :P

ShelfLife
03-07-2010, 12:44 AM
^ I think the Disney film has permanently informed the way the world recognises Alice in Wonderland - Alice is always blonde and wearing blue, the Cheshire Cat is most often purple and pink, and the line, "I'm late, I'm late, for a very important date!" is never said in the book, but everyone knows it. For the life of me, I have no idea why this film is titled Alice in Wonderland when it's supposed to be a sequel of sorts. They should have called it Return to Wonderland, or Alice Strikes Back or something.

I'm not sure whether I will see it or not. I guess I'll wait until you guys come back with feedback.

21Faces
03-07-2010, 10:50 AM
I thought it was pretty lame, honestly. It wasn't actually filmed in 3D, but was 2D footage converted after the fact, so there wasn't very creative use made of the third dimension at all, really. The whole film is visually gorgeous from beginning to end, of course- but that's its only asset. I can't remember a single piece of music from the entire thing, either.

Everyone performs wonderfully, but exactly how you'd expect them to. Depp is endearingly eccentric, Carter is shrill and bitchy, Wasikowska brings absolutely nothing compelling to the role of Alice. And worst of all the entire affair is not the least bit odd, strange, or weird whatsoever. And that bitch Linda Woolverton (screenwriter) forced the story into some awkward feminist coming of age parable. Really? You can be whatever you want to be! is really the most pertinent message we can send young girls today? Is the whole "Oh, look how women in olden days weren't in charge of their own lives! How backwards!" really still necessary?

If they wanted to send a positive message to young girls with the movie, I think they missed a huge opportunity by not including the character of The Duchess and her creepy pig baby. Keep your legs shut you little brats.

Dronepool
03-07-2010, 01:04 PM
I still want to see this but I don't feel like going to the movie theater.

spaceSuicide
03-07-2010, 02:25 PM
I seen it with my girlfriend. We went to the 7:15 showing but it was sold out so we had to wait till 9:20 showing and even then they wouldn't allow us to use my 3D glasses I alread, so I still had to pay full price.

I enjoyed it a good deal. Some parts I would've changed but the overall film was neatly done.

I really enjoyed The Red Queen, the Mad Hatter and The Knave of Hearts. It was good to see Crispin Glover in a prominant role (I like him) as a semi major character.

I enjoyed the zaniness and constant laughing throughout, being they are mad and all. I also liked the "off with their heads" line being taken way out of control, showing how pompous the Red Queen is. Her court was neat too, with fake body parts and such. I assume to make her head seem normal?

I didn't like the flow, it seemed rushed at the beginning with that party and falling down the rabbit hole. My girlfriend agreed with me on that and also felt that the hatter's dance could have been left out and that Hathaway's performance seemed forced.

Overall, we enjoyed a good deal but not as much as we thought we would initially. It'll take more views.

ThreeEyedGod
03-07-2010, 03:42 PM
CG Diarrhea

Or CGD for short

21Faces
03-07-2010, 03:47 PM
CG Diarrhea

Or CGD for short
You didn't at least think it was done well, though? Like the CG augmentations for the Red Queen and the Hatter? Or the totally CG Cheshire Cat? I agree it's always nicer when there's more of a balance in terms of set pieces, natural environs, and CG elements, but I appreciated the blend here- not as good as what you see in del Toro's stuff, but it was at least decent.

DecayingSinner
03-07-2010, 05:48 PM
I actually thoroughly enjoyed the film. After Depp's role as Wonka, I was really apprehensive about him as the Mad Hatter, but I think he pulled it off. This was the first time I've seen a movie on IMAX and in 3d so I can't compare it to others, but I enjoyed it. The glasses got annoying after about halfway through. The Cheshire Cat was one of my favorites as in the cartoon, the March Hare was comical and indeed madly insane, and the Red Queen was good. I thought the story flowed pretty well I just didn't care for the dragon slaying thing at the end. At first Hathaway's role as Alice didn't have me sold, but as the movie went along she started to pull it off (although I feel like someone else could have done it better - not sure who off the top of my head). I probably will see this again, being my mother would like to see this.

ThreeEyedGod
03-09-2010, 07:40 PM
You didn't at least think it was done well, though? Like the CG augmentations for the Red Queen and the Hatter? Or the totally CG Cheshire Cat? I agree it's always nicer when there's more of a balance in terms of set pieces, natural environs, and CG elements, but I appreciated the blend here- not as good as what you see in del Toro's stuff, but it was at least decent.

I mean the film was obviously a technical, graphical achievement, but I still found it hollow. Augmentation I believe is the key word for tastefully done cg. I agree: there should have been a much bigger balance between set piueces and natural environment...but as it stands i do find it cgd ala avatar. I'm thinking it is starting to almost be a generation thing... I sometimes feel like a fuddy duddy when trashing cg shit, but whatever. If Terminator 2 had been done today it would have been cgd as well. It is just a sign of the times.

Disney's version will always be the one in my heart.

S.Hal0mega.B
03-09-2010, 09:49 PM
I mean the film was obviously a technical, graphical achievement, but I still found it hollow. Augmentation I believe is the key word for tastefully done cg. I agree: there should have been a much bigger balance between set piueces and natural environment...but as it stands i do find it cgd ala avatar. I'm thinking it is starting to almost be a generation thing... I sometimes feel like a fuddy duddy when trashing cg shit, but whatever. If Terminator 2 had been done today it would have been cgd as well. It is just a sign of the times.

Disney's version will always be the one in my heart.

You're not alone there. There's a science fiction epic i wish to make one day, and I'll be mixing models with set peices, make up and maybe just touching things up like lighting via computer. I want things to look real, but thats because my expectations are very high.

secretsquirrely
03-10-2010, 03:41 AM
I just saw this last night in 3D. Now I have to say, though I can easily tell that this film was converted to 3D later, I thought it was executed rather well. The only moment in the film that I could not focus was when she went down the rabbit hole. It was a bit of over kill. Visually this film was by far Burton's masterpiece. My hat's off to him for developing a wonderful Wonderland. However, as most have said, the Alice in Narnia idea was infuriating. Luckily I knew all of this before going into the film, so I had already not expected my beloved Wonderland at all. Most of the characters were adapted rather poorly, but were still great in their own right. Out of the entire cast of characters I felt only the Queen of Hearts (fuck this Red Queen shit) and the Cheshire Cat were perfectly portrayed from their book and film counterparts. In fact, the others all used tidbits form the stories to stay "in character" whereas you have the Cheshire Cat who is absolutely perfect and has all new text throughout the entire film. Bravo to Stephen Fry.

Now, if you were to look at this not as a Wonderland adaptation but as a brand new Burton fantasy film, it was amazing. Yes the story was rather flimsy in places, but it was still worth it. It had a certain flow to it. I must say I was disappointed when leaving the cinema, but that had solely to do with me wanting to see a Wonderland film and not "How Narnia should have looked". Apart form that, it is a good film and I dare say one of Burton's best. Even Johnny Depp was superb. He was no Mad Hatter to me, but he was also no Willy Wonka, which I had expected. Most complain about his accent switching and mood swings, it would have been much more fun for him to just start dancing in the background while the others talk.

All in all, don't take your kids to see this...it's just not for them really. But if you want some fun action and beautiful visuals...then fall down the rabbit hole once more I say.

The Empirical Guy
03-10-2010, 06:02 AM
I saw this the other day and it was a pleasant surprise to see it better than I expected. After the terrible mess that was Burton's Charlie & the Chocolate Factory, I was expecting this to go down the toilet in a similar manner. Luckily, it managed to avoid it.
First of all, Johnny Depp did an excellent Hatter. I really hated his portrayal of Wonka, so to see him do such a good Hatter, clearly crazy and with a nasty streak below the surface, was nice. Several other characters, such as the March Hare and the Chesire Cat, were also great. I wasn't keen on the visual appearance of the Tweedles, but did like their character and the way their speech was handled.

However, one thing I didn't like was the Red Queen. This was just a horrible mash-up of character parts that created something that would have been fine in Burton's own creation, but as an adaptation, let down Lewis' work I think. The mix up of Queen of Hearts and Red Queen was confusing, especially when the Red Queen (a chess piece in the original book) was now using the playing card imagery, despite the White Queen retaining the chess theme. Also, the obsession in the Red Queen's court with, as the film so brilliantly put it, "largeness", reeked to me of Burton's unnecessary add-on to an established tale, much like Wonka's dad.

Aside from that the only thing to really fault it was the turning of a nonsense story into one with a definite sense of purpose, with some sort of good vs. evil thing going on. While obviously this is done to give some direction and condense things in to a reasonable film length, I'm not sure if I really liked it. Sure, it made the film watchable in that there was a definite story to follow, but the downside was losing the nonsensical goings-on that really made the original story. That nonsense, to me, was part of the appeal of the Alice story: did it need a point? Couldn't it all just be child's play? Instead it seemed to be only confined to the Mad Tea Party. Finally, I don't like Tim Burton's use of colour. This is based on his Alice and Wonka films. I can't quite explain it without typing way more than I can be bothered with now, but I watch them and all the colours just seem "wrong".

21Faces
03-10-2010, 06:35 PM
Am I really the only guy who loved Depp's Wonka? He made it so fucking strange, with that weird femmy Warhol/Jackson vibe I thought it was great. I would have loved to see the same level of oddness from this Wonderland affair. I agree that the adaptation of the story into something more traditional was necessary to make it more satisfying as a viewing experience- but that only works if the story does not suck ass! Which this did, a lot. I thought there could have been more creative use of the rest of the Wonderland universe to compose a coherent narrative rather than some awkward prophecy device propelling Alice to discover "who she really is" in a LOTR-esque final battle. I can guarantee anyone the third act was probably a studio requirement, corporate-driven filmmaking at its ugliest.

As I was walking out of the theater I remembered the guy who really should have made this movie was David Lynch. Oh well.

MArshall
03-10-2010, 07:22 PM
Movie review (by me):

shit movie /story

spaceSuicide
03-10-2010, 09:52 PM
http://aliceinwonderland.wikia.com/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_Wiki

S.Hal0mega.B
03-11-2010, 12:09 AM
Am I really the only guy who loved Depp's Wonka? He made it so fucking strange, with that weird femmy Warhol/Jackson vibe I thought it was great. I would have loved to see the same level of oddness from this Wonderland affair. I agree that the adaptation of the story into something more traditional was necessary to make it more satisfying as a viewing experience- but that only works if the story does not suck ass! Which this did, a lot. I thought there could have been more creative use of the rest of the Wonderland universe to compose a coherent narrative rather than some awkward prophecy device propelling Alice to discover "who she really is" in a LOTR-esque final battle. I can guarantee anyone the third act was probably a studio requirement, corporate-driven filmmaking at its ugliest.

As I was walking out of the theater I remembered the guy who really should have made this movie was David Lynch. Oh well.


I couldnt agree more dear sir, every word.

secretsquirrely
03-11-2010, 05:15 AM
Am I really the only guy who loved Depp's Wonka? He made it so fucking strange, with that weird femmy Warhol/Jackson vibe I thought it was great. I would have loved to see the same level of oddness from this Wonderland affair. I agree that the adaptation of the story into something more traditional was necessary to make it more satisfying as a viewing experience- but that only works if the story does not suck ass! Which this did, a lot. I thought there could have been more creative use of the rest of the Wonderland universe to compose a coherent narrative rather than some awkward prophecy device propelling Alice to discover "who she really is" in a LOTR-esque final battle. I can guarantee anyone the third act was probably a studio requirement, corporate-driven filmmaking at its ugliest.

As I was walking out of the theater I remembered the guy who really should have made this movie was David Lynch. Oh well.

I quite agree. I still am not a huge fan of Depp's Wonka, but that has more to do with me expected a lot more. In fact I had expected something more equivalent to his Hatter really. Wonka has always been a darker character than the Hatter.

I do agree this story was flimsy and all around just bad. I guess the only reason I got joy form it was form the visuals and knowing about the story raping beforehand, thus I had time to stew a bit. I still think Burton is the man for the job, but the studio gave him this script and this is what we got. It's a shame he didn't get to adapt the damn story like it should have been.

all in all this film just inspired me more to finish my script for Alice in Wonderland that I am working on and make a damn good play this coming year. I'm all for changes in an adaptation but it's still good to use the source material *grumble grumble*

The Empirical Guy
03-11-2010, 07:25 AM
I quite agree. I still am not a huge fan of Depp's Wonka, but that has more to do with me expected a lot more. In fact I had expected something more equivalent to his Hatter really. Wonka has always been a darker character than the Hatter.


I agree. The instant I saw Depp's Hatter in the very first trailer, I said "that's how he should have played Wonka". His Wonka was too much of a simple crackpot, it didn't hold a candle to the darker version Gene Wilder played.

It seems a lot of people are annoyed at the dramatic changes to the story line, too.

ThreeEyedGod
03-11-2010, 05:57 PM
Should have gone with Marilyn Manson..lol

KnaveMurdok
03-27-2010, 12:23 PM
I just thought it was strange that even though this was supposed to be a continuation, a lot of shit happened that also happened in the book. Like it was happening again... And the the rest of the stuff was new. As if Burton couldn't decide if he was doing a remake or a sequel and wound up somewhere stuck in the middle.
Oh well, I guess I liked it anyway, it looked good, the acting was good, the music was good (until the end credits) jsut that little fact about the story kinda miffed me.

ImNotJesus
03-27-2010, 07:44 PM
I saw this yesterday. Awful. Just fucking awful.

I mean, I've seen some pretty sore bullshit in my life, but this took the cake. Where was Alice's character development? (or her acting for that matter?) Why was The Hatter some emotionally scarred matyr war-hero?

The film didn't know where it was headed, even by the end. Sometimes it was light-hearted and amusing, other times it was confrontingly dark (ie. Alice making her way across a river of severed heads)...which in itself wasn't bad, it just couldn't find a balance between the two.

OH! Can I just ask, is Alice's whole revelation about trading with China in the book? Or was the idea that her entire life-changing psychological adventure led to her informed decision to partner in a company Tim Burton's fucking retarded idea? Just...WHAT?!

The film was absolutely joyless for me, the plot made no sense, it stayed emotionally level the entire film and never went anywhere.

The acting was, for the most part, superb...but so many brilliant actors were wasted on this collosal failure.
Let's do the fucking robot to celebrate the end of a vicious murdering tyrant.

S.Hal0mega.B
03-27-2010, 08:09 PM
It should have been like lolita meets one flew over the cuckoo's nest.


(Perhaps a little of Hatter Does Alice - in the vein of Debbie does D..)

ShelfLife
03-28-2010, 12:12 AM
It should have been like lolita meets one flew over the cuckoo's nest.

What an utterly beautiful idea.

Still haven't seen it. This is for many reasons, but the most prominent was that I walked into a shop, and every single item of clothing was "Burton's Wonderland" inspired. There were posters showing you how to wear a Red Queen outfit, or a Mad Hatter outfit, with no creativity or art at all. Just costumes for real life. Anyway, it is so consumerist that I realised I will never be able to enjoy watching the film, no matter how glorious it looks.

S.Hal0mega.B
03-30-2010, 04:32 AM
What an utterly beautiful idea.

Still haven't seen it. This is for many reasons, but the most prominent was that I walked into a shop, and every single item of clothing was "Burton's Wonderland" inspired. There were posters showing you how to wear a Red Queen outfit, or a Mad Hatter outfit, with no creativity or art at all. Just costumes for real life. Anyway, it is so consumerist that I realised I will never be able to enjoy watching the film, no matter how glorious it looks.

Why thank you :) If I bothered to touch it I would be considered a pedophile... well with urges. but i concur that Marilyn Manson's take on it would be simular when yo consider his take (if there will ever be one) on Phantasmagoria.

I watched it online, was high, and was still bored.