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spaceSuicide
07-20-2009, 01:14 PM
Okay, up front and center:

Haters, if you are going to do nothing but talk shit in this thread please leave. We have enough hate for this woman in other areas of the forum, this is a semi-serious matter regarding visuals between these two artists.

Upon conversing and comparing photos, ideas and luke warm alike qualities with S.D. I was given the idea to create this thread for parallels between the two. You may sneeze at the idea but it's not as absent as you'd think. There are a great deal of similar photos and situations between Lady GaGa and Marilyn Manson.

I'll compile and post photos for my analysis very shortly. In the mean time gossip, whine or talk about it here until I do so. S.D. has a good grip on her visuals thanks to me so he shall also reign in this thread.

S.D.
07-20-2009, 01:16 PM
I'd get a damn good grip on her visuals...

Looking forward to the influx you've got ready Nick, I know they're impressive.

spaceSuicide
07-20-2009, 01:20 PM
I'd get a damn good grip on her visuals...

Looking forward to the influx you've got ready Nick, I know they're impressive.

You and me both. ;)

Yes, I will say that most of the similarities between the two lie in Mechanical Animals, Holy Wood and The Golden Age Of Grotesque.

spaceSuicide
07-23-2009, 12:47 PM
Longly awaited and now upon is my first batch of imagery linking these two different artists together. Most may appear on coincidence and others maybe not but you can definitely see some type of similarity in these photos below I bring to you.

First off we have the basic space and glam look sported in the purest form - the color white. Bright lipstick is also worn by both as well as garb in bright white fashion as well as unusual looking jackets and accessories (Manson's gloves and GaGa's glasses). Most space references between the two are rooted in the Mechanical Animals era. This is subtle but still a valid point to be stated here. View the full size photo by clicking the thumbnail.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5089/gagamanson.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/gagamanson.jpg/)

Next off we have the most convincing similarity between the two I have ever seen. The attires worn by both of these musicians within their respective music videos, The Fight Song and LoveGame, are too close to deny. Both are wearing caps similar to military fashion, black loose fitting pants which are supported by beige suspenders and elbow length black gloves. Upon seeing these photos, you can't tell me they aren't similar enough to pinpoint them together. View the full size photo by clicking the thumbnail.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2981/gagamanson3.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/i/gagamanson3.jpg/)

The first major fashion statement I suppose I will say that Lady GaGa adorned was the constant wearing of hood wraps last summer and fall when seen publicly. Guess who is also almost always wearing a hood in public these days? This is merely conincidence I am sure but hey it's noteworthy.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9027/gagamanson2.jpg

Moving onwards we find that GaGa's latest V magazine photoshoot offered some elegant clothing choices and a hat. This style is closely related to Victorian styles by my opinion. Manson also usually paraded in such elegant and pricey peices during the Against All Gods Tour and the entire Lest We Forget Era. Not much can be rooted to this other than the hats and the clothing. In these photos Manson chooses the ever drab black while GaGa is shown in white. Interesting eh?

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/505/gagamanson6.jpg

Another similarity we see here is the pink stripe over the eyes. The photo of GaGa below is the cover to her EP Live at Cherrytree Sessions, she's seen with a pink, almost lavender like stripe over her eyes. Manson tended to have this makeup scheme during the Rape of the World Tour and his stripes usually consisted of pink or purple, which the stripe also covered the eyes.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2880/gagamanson4.jpg

And the last comparison for this post until my next one will be another conicidental similarity. We can't have enough black clothing and military caps can we? View the full size photo from clicking the url.

http://img187.imageshack.us/i/gagamanson5.jpg/

Now, let's begin talking shall we?

Komakino
07-23-2009, 01:07 PM
Lady Gaga actually said her outfit was based on The Night Porter. As was Manson's.

spaceSuicide
07-23-2009, 01:12 PM
Lady Gaga actually said her outfit was based on The Night Porter. As was Manson's.

Indeed this is true and also in addition to that, she has a similar pose on her Lovegame remixes EP as the Night Porter poster does. See below:

http://www.lib.washington.edu/media/criterion/images/thenightporter.jpg

http://www.wearepopslags.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lovegameremixescover.jpg

HerrDoKtor
07-24-2009, 03:19 AM
Thank you for pointing out all those connections between two of my favorite artists.

I'm looking forward to the next posts on this thread.

S.D.
07-24-2009, 03:41 AM
There are some excellent submissions here, thank you for taking the time to compile them Nick. The way I see it, Marilyn Manson has always been about using transgressive imagery and music to infiltrate a mainstream culture, supplanting sounds and imagery within it in a way that subtly introduces people to a more subversive, though entirely natural mode of expression.

Lady Gaga, I think, has done much the same thing. People may mistake her presentation and aesthetic as being part of a "pop" agenda, but doing so is missing the point of what that word entails. She is popular at present because what she does is almost a parody of what has been becoming more prevalent in mainstream music for years now. She has control over her sexuality, and uses that to keep it at arms length, actually projecting statements about sexual activity and physicality rather than being a figurehead for patriarchal expectations. Other female pop singers have sexual imagery in their work because it's almost expected that in order to make a hit you have to take your cothes off. By proclaiming things like the only quality she wants in a man is a "big dick", she has emasculated the common spectator relationship between a female singer and her male audience.

Using anxieties surrounding sexual performance and prowess to make yourself more powerful is precisely what Marilyn Manson has done for over a decade now. He wears dresses, lipstick, garters, and platform boots in every aspect of what he does, and still he is the rockstar with beautiful women surrounding him. The Tainted Love video is a prime example of this, taking back sexuality from the "jocks". The same goes for the grills, and the use of clothing and actions formerly associated with rap in that video, much the same as I think Eminem does, because although he is certainly part of the rap clique, I think he has managed to introduce (whether intentionally or not) an element of homoeroticism and emotion into the genre over the years.

Also, as an aside, I urge everyone to compare the theme and lyrics of Gaga's song Paparazzi with both The Red Carpet Grave and Mister Superstar, I think there are plenty of parallels there. Also, I find the use of the term "Velvet Rope" interesting in this song and Better of Two Evils...

spaceSuicide
07-24-2009, 09:37 AM
There are some excellent submissions here, thank you for taking the time to compile them Nick. The way I see it, Marilyn Manson has always been about using transgressive imagery and music to infiltrate a mainstream culture, supplanting sounds and imagery within it in a way that subtly introduces people to a more subversive, though entirely natural mode of expression.

Lady Gaga, I think, has done much the same thing. People may mistake her presentation and aesthetic as being part of a "pop" agenda, but doing so is missing the point of what that word entails. She is popular at present because what she does is almost a parody of what has been becoming more prevalent in mainstream music for years now. She has control over her sexuality, and uses that to keep it at arms length, actually projecting statements about sexual activity and physicality rather than being a figurehead for patriarchal expectations. Other female pop singers have sexual imagery in their work because it's almost expected that in order to make a hit you have to take your cothes off. By proclaiming things like the only quality she wants in a man is a "big dick", she has emasculated the common spectator relationship between a female singer and her male audience.

Using anxieties surrounding sexual performance and prowess to make yourself more powerful is precisely what Marilyn Manson has done for over a decade now. He wears dresses, lipstick, garters, and platform boots in every aspect of what he does, and still he is the rockstar with beautiful women surrounding him. The Tainted Love video is a prime example of this, taking back sexuality from the "jocks". The same goes for the grills, and the use of clothing and actions formerly associated with rap in that video, much the same as I think Eminem does, because although he is certainly part of the rap clique, I think he has managed to introduce (whether intentionally or not) an element of homoeroticism and emotion into the genre over the years.

Also, as an aside, I urge everyone to compare the theme and lyrics of Gaga's song Paparazzi with both The Red Carpet Grave and Mister Superstar, I think there are plenty of parallels there. Also, I find the use of the term "Velvet Rope" interesting in this song and Better of Two Evils...

Very good and yes, sexuality and love themes are the driving force of her music and style (suprised right?). In the earlier days of Manson that was his key as well. I won't go further on that history and such because you covered it full and well.

For now, I have compiled a few photos of GaGa and Manson. Moving onwards,

Here we see GaGa in a candid photo snapshot wearing a black dress and a very curious animalistic head piece and mask, resembling a bat, a rabbit or even a mouse perhaps? As we know, the mickey mouse ears and black face theme were in the GAOG. Anyways, it's very interesting to see how both incorporate black into the fold and also the ears in these attires. Even is the ears on GaGa are a rabbit, what makes you lead that to on the Manson front? Are You The Rabbit? anyone? View the full size by clicking the thumbnail.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7553/gagamanson7.th.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/i/gagamanson7.jpg/)

Next we see the basic, simplistic style of makeup. In Beautiful, Dirty, Rich, Lady GaGa is seen in close ups of her mouth and chin only. During one portion of the video she smears her lipstick with her fingers and continues the movement upwards, messily around. Manson was quite well know during the POAAF days for doing the same exact antics. Only his was applied just for the task. Either way, it's seen easily in the Lunchbox music video.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/671/gagamanson8.jpg

Last for this post we find that the art of movement can be a very difficult task and also a very cool visual concept. In the Paparazzi video, GaGa is paralyzed during a portion of the video and must recquire to wear prosthetic crutch and armor suit. She uses these to stumble forward slowly out of her wheelchair and down the walkway. In Manson world this was not much of an act for the need to but rather the want to. This was never seen in any music video and was mainly used on stage with stilts between 1995-2001. He used a certain type of crutch system that attaches to the forearm often during the Against All Gods Tour. Below is a comparison.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6834/gagamanson9.jpg

Chew on that until my next post.

S.D.
07-25-2009, 09:31 AM
It's only brief, but I was discussing with Nick Sixx. today how I felt the comparison between Manson and Gaga with the smeared lipstick extended to The Nobodies video:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/NobodiesGaga.jpg

Dronepool
07-25-2009, 01:24 PM
I know I'm a hater when it comes to Gaga, but I'm not here to express my dislike for her.

This is an interesting thread, but in my opinion I think she's just either influenced by him or things he got influenced by. Sorta like Jeffrey Star copied some of Manson's looks. I don't think it goes beyond that.

Just my opinion after looking at these comparison pics.

S.D.
07-25-2009, 02:39 PM
This is an interesting thread, but in my opinion I think she's just either influenced by him or things he got influenced by. Sorta like Jeffrey Star copied some of Manson's looks. I don't think it goes beyond that.

I think the chief difference would be that I don't consider Jeffree Star to be an artist, because he doesn't establish himself as one, he establishes himself as a celebrity, which appears to be the opposite of what Lady Gaga is attempting to achieve. You don't have to necessarily like her music to appreciate what she represents culturally.

Jeffree Star seems adept at picking imagery that furthers the appeal of his fairly one-dimensional presentation to an already secure (yet ultimately fickle) audience, whereas Lady Gaga (as Manson has done) is moving across demographics, despite the fairly risque nature of some parts of her performance and music. I think that is what is striking about her, and what relates her to Manson as an entity. They both adapt from other sources, but in a way that relates entirely to their own agenda, rather than seeming needlessly derivative.

AlcoholicArtist
07-25-2009, 02:52 PM
Lol Jeffree starr is a prime example of what GaGa's album The Fame is about, someone desperate for five minutes of fame and consumed by vanity.

Anima XI
07-25-2009, 09:52 PM
Last for this post we find that the art of movement can be a very difficult task and also a very cool visual concept. In the Paparazzi video, GaGa is paralyzed during a portion of the video and must recquire to wear prosthetic crutch and armor suit. She uses these to stumble forward slowly out of her wheelchair and down the walkway. In Manson world this was not much of an act for the need to but rather the want to. This was never seen in any music video and was mainly used on stage with stilts between 1995-2001. He used a certain type of crutch system that attaches to the forearm often during the Against All Gods Tour. Below is a comparison.

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That costume reminds of this Visual Parallel I noticed back at the 'Phant:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2936/chermanson.jpg

MM in the LHROOH music video and Cher on the cover of her album "Take Me Home". Hm... I wonder if GaGa was trying to emulate either of them? Or neither, and it was just a coincidence...?

On a side-note, MM does sort of remind me of Cher at parts during the LHROOH video, so.. anyway it's all speculation =P

spaceSuicide
07-26-2009, 09:52 AM
Wow, Anima XI, that's a good visual reference. Perhaps they both were inspired by that costume piece. That's some very good scrapping of ideas, good job.

Also S.D., that we duscussed yesterday and I also find that very similar and interesting (the costume in the Nobodies always fascinated me).

I have two more photos I've compiled, I've not much to say but check the hood, yo.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5089/gagamanson.th.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/gagamanson.jpg/)

I also stumbled upon a curious photo of GaGa with a light blue stripe over her eyes, similar in fashion to the old Mechanical Animals photoshoot. I now bring you the evidence.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7548/bluestripe.th.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/bluestripe.jpg/)

Well, that's it for this post. Until later, there you are. :D

spaceSuicide
07-28-2009, 10:15 AM
My, my what nice PRIDE and an apt for WAR you have. ;)

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8778/pridewar.th.jpg (http://img166.imageshack.us/i/pridewar.jpg/)

Hate Sells
07-28-2009, 10:31 AM
I remember pointing out that thing about the pink stripe in the visual comparisons thread over at the 'Phant...when that Lady Gaga CD first came out, because I had noticed it right away...and everybody ridiculed me, thinking that I was accusing her of "copying" Manson, when there have been so many artists who have made use of that style of makeup... But there are not many who use a pink bar, and this was around the time that the first "rumors" of a collaboration had started, so everyone thought I was jumping the gun. But I'm glad you agree with me, Nick. :]

spaceSuicide
07-28-2009, 10:49 AM
I remember pointing out that thing about the pink stripe in the visual comparisons thread over at the 'Phant...when that Lady Gaga CD first came out, because I had noticed it right away...and everybody ridiculed me, thinking that I was accusing her of "copying" Manson, when there have been so many artists who have made use of that style of makeup... But there are not many who use a pink bar, and this was around the time that the first "rumors" of a collaboration had started, so everyone thought I was jumping the gun. But I'm glad you agree with me, Nick. :]

Yay!

The hate for her that radiated on that site was completely unneccessary but really now it's all evident of their similarities right here. That doesn't matter anymore.

If you have any more comparisons and details of how they are alike or anything PLASE be kind to post!

Lord Hypnos
08-01-2009, 12:44 AM
Forgive me, but I don't see how the pink stripe can relate to him. I doubt Manson was the first to use it, and other bands use it as well (My Chemical Romance for instance).

S.D.
08-01-2009, 12:48 AM
Although implicit in some cases, I don't think the parallels that have been identified here are necessarily supposed to be evident of some undeniable correlation between the artists at every stage, it's just interesting and fun to observe all the ways in which two provocative pop stars from different sides of the same coin employ similar techniques and aesthetics.

spaceSuicide
08-01-2009, 09:20 AM
Forgive me, but I don't see how the pink stripe can relate to him. I doubt Manson was the first to use it, and other bands use it as well (My Chemical Romance for instance).

I didn't say it was exclusive to just GaGa and MM and it automatically connects them to the hip in equal visuals.

S.D. summed it up perfectly. This thread is mainly for conincidental, fun similarities.

Lord Hypnos
08-03-2009, 07:25 PM
So I see, it's not about correlation, just similarities/coincidences. Thanks :)

spaceSuicide
08-16-2009, 03:50 PM
This isn't too much of an in depth parallel but I found it amusing to know that one of the main collaborators for GaGa's The Fame album, Space Cowboy, happened to remix Heart-Shaped Glasses a year before joining Lady GaGa's Haus group.

S.D.
08-16-2009, 03:56 PM
This isn't too much of an in depth parallel but I found it amusing to know that one of the main collaborators for GaGa's The Fame album, Space Cowboy, happened to remix Heart-Shaped Glasses a year before joining Lady GaGa's Haus group.

This is really interesting, and adds a lot more weight to your ideas concerning how big an influence Manson has been on Lady Gaga, which I think is a considerable amount. I also remember it was quite some time ago, before she was quite so popular as she is now, that people were discussing her wanting to work with Manson, as she vocalised a desire to, and people were really dismissive of the idea. I expect they feel pretty fucking stupid now!

spaceSuicide
08-30-2009, 02:01 PM
Though not exactly Manson in this parallel photo, it still features usage of his ex Evan Rachel Wood with the concept and imagery. We see GaGa's GaGa-Vision glasses which depict a heart and we see Evan, wearing Heart-Shaped Glasses, looking up at Manson as seen in Heart-Shaped Glasses music video. I just thought this was neat to post.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2hehifr.jpg

Thanks to S.D. for initiating me to post this.

S.D.
08-30-2009, 02:05 PM
You mean thanks to S.D. for pointing it out in the first place?

;)

And it looks good, cheers for putting the images up here, the tilt of her head and the look on her face are really close to the Evan image.

spaceSuicide
09-02-2009, 11:57 AM
You mean thanks to S.D. for pointing it out in the first place?

;)

And it looks good, cheers for putting the images up here, the tilt of her head and the look on her face are really close to the Evan image.


Haha, very true.

I'm gathering some more photos together.

Anima XI
09-03-2009, 08:24 AM
For some reason this picture:

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/25479625/Lady+GaGa+8y.jpg

Really reminded me of this one:

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/305889/Marilyn+Manson.jpg

spaceSuicide
09-05-2009, 04:19 PM
For some reason this picture:


Really reminded me of this one:



The same shading and lighting effects ion the photo as well as one central hue and seated pose - GaGa has red and Manson has blue. Nice, subtle comparison.

Oh Deer, what's so popular about this animal?

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1243/deer.jpg

and this gif image played during GaGa's backdrop when performing Paparazzi reminds me of Manson with the actions seen in Tourniquet.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2v96lpk.gif

Golden Eel
09-08-2009, 09:35 PM
"I want to hold 'em like they do in Texas please."

"I want to kill you like they do in the movies."


Also, has "being mocked by the media and accused of being the opposite gender on many occasions" been mentioned?

spaceSuicide
09-09-2009, 12:29 PM
"I want to hold 'em like they do in Texas please."

"I want to kill you like they do in the movies."


Also, has "being mocked by the media and accused of being the opposite gender on many occasions" been mentioned?

You know that's a very clever observation in both context and pronounciation. Good eye for that one.

It hasn't been mentioned but yes I assume that you could consider it another similarity because people love to obsess (or they did in Manson's case) over the gender of them due to false rumors that people believed as credible. Shame really. jackasses.

S.D.
09-10-2009, 02:05 PM
"I want to hold 'em like they do in Texas please."

"I want to kill you like they do in the movies."

In terms of cultural comparison, this immediately made me think not only of the references to various faces of the deck of cards throughout both The Golden Age of Grotesque and EAT ME, DRINK ME (and their significance to Alice's Adventures In Wonderland), but also to the motion of splitting the deck of cards... "Cut, cut, cut, cut".

spaceSuicide
09-16-2009, 01:46 PM
From the VMAs, a full dress garb with a blood red dress and crown.

http://www.heatworld.com/img/upload/500x400/1000083006.jpg

It fits in tune subtly and desperately with lyrics from EAT ME, DRINK ME:


on the way to the Red Queen...
it's no wonder our stage clothes
have dreams to be famous.

GaGa and dreams to be famous via her debut album concept? Red dress with a crown? Red Queen? Alice in Wonderland? hmmmm

AlcoholicArtist
09-16-2009, 01:51 PM
Someone on Fame mb suggested that it had something to do with Princess Diana, after all she was killed by the paparazzi.

spaceSuicide
09-16-2009, 01:55 PM
Someone on Fame mb suggested that it had something to do with Princess Diana, after all she was killed by the paparazzi.

That may be well and true but we also have this in which I gather from:

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3254/gagaalice.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/gagaalice.jpg/)

All of the VMAs outfits subtly fit to an Alice in Wonderland character eerily enough.

It may be Princess Di but this is just other connections, my friend.

AlcoholicArtist
09-16-2009, 03:58 PM
Ooo very interesting! :P
Actually I've thought of more evidence for the Princess Diana theory, in her performance when she was hanging dead at the end and the sound of cameras and lights flashing at her lifeless body was like when Diana was dying the paps were still taking pictures of her body.

Virgin‡Stitch
09-21-2009, 12:14 AM
Cool thread!

One of the more obvious imagery similarities (didn't see it posted already):

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i185/_Zagan_/ladygagavideo.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i185/_Zagan_/manson_mouse.jpg

spaceSuicide
09-28-2009, 04:46 PM
^ Totally obvious but a nice addition to the thread!

spaceSuicide
10-05-2009, 10:54 AM
Do you or do you not like my veil of emotions? Black and White. Blank and White? Hm.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2cgl9q0.jpg

S.D.
10-27-2009, 12:10 PM
It seems to make sense to me that Bad Romance is basically the words Tainted Love.

spaceSuicide
10-27-2009, 12:14 PM
It seems to make sense to me that Bad Romance is basically the words Tainted Love.

So very true now that I think about it.

:o

zwiebelsaft
11-10-2009, 09:50 PM
The color scheme of the Bad Romance vid reminds me of Mechanical Animals as a whole, and the close-up of Gaga reminds me of The Dope Show.

zwiebelsaft
11-12-2009, 02:21 PM
^ Actually, I lied- it reminds me of Life on Mars?

But anyway- yeah, Gaga's got a nice fusion of Alexander McQueen and Marilyn Manson.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X0cNr-SAHmM/SvuMapCI-GI/AAAAAAAAEV4/QNQo5is47KE/s1600/Picture%2B43.png

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z300/JessicaWonka/Marilyn%20Manson%20Mechanical%20Animals/god.jpg

Anima XI
11-15-2009, 05:40 AM
The Baphometic Pose:

http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/images/1/1c/AntichristSuperstar%28front%29.png

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ladygagahandoffatimamannequin.jpg

AlcoholicArtist
11-15-2009, 06:34 AM
Oh and she looksa like the thing in tourniquet.

Not Mechanical
12-07-2009, 12:58 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/06/article-1233700-077FC8F7000005DC-565_306x423.jpg

If I Was Your Vampire (Bat)?

zwiebelsaft
12-07-2009, 07:51 PM
^ Not so much a vampire to me, as much as this:
http://i45.tinypic.com/2j67rdf.jpg

Unless, you're talking about Nos-4-A2 from Buzz Lightyear's cartoon spin-off.
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs30/300W/f/ ... 64a59a.jpg (http://th09.deviantart.net/fs30/300W/f/2008/107/5/b/5be00a6ba89a497221013de08964a59a.jpg)


2 things:
Understandable:
http://i46.tinypic.com/2090m8l.jpg

Notice how there are trees in the background onstage and how there are constant tree roots and dormant trees in the background of The Nobodies.

Most likely over-analysis, and visual created from prose:
http://i47.tinypic.com/2vdf9ll.jpg


He stumbles toward her and with his free hand begins to grope her breasts. She resists, for what seems like the first time, and rips open his silk shirt. What she sees beneath is more disgusting than his pathetic molestation. His almost translucent skin is varicose and wrinkled. On his shoulders and chest he wears prosthetic pads that are snapped onto his skin with tiny stainless steel fasteners to augment his youthful, healthy shape.

Granted, the president in that chapter has a more robust appearance, Gaga has translucent fabric on her where you can see the mesh underneath. This is either one hell of a coincidence, or she has read this chapter as well.

Not Mechanical
12-22-2009, 04:25 PM
I was thinking in terms of a (vampire) bat than an actual vampire, just made the lyric spring to mind.

I was just taking a look round Lady Gaga's website, and two things jumped out at me.


Firstly, these stickers available to buy
http://www.bandstores.co.uk/prodimages/gaga_stick_M.gif

Obvious similarities to the figurine in the Dope Show, as well as its 'headlessness'
(Cut the head off, grows back hard?)
The lightning bolt/shock symbol (although I'd probably say that bears more similarity to Bowie's Aladdin Sane - an obvious influence on both artists).

Then this pretty striking similarity on the Tour section of the site (as well as various other places around the site.)
http://i48.tinypic.com/qoycns.jpg

Not Mechanical
12-23-2009, 01:52 PM
Sorry to double post, but:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulfiS4xdK20&feature=related
1:05 - "My work is a series of lies and everyday, I kill to make them true"


"It's only acting baby."

S.D.
12-23-2009, 02:16 PM
1:05 - "My work is a series of lies and everyday, I kill to make them true"


This time I won't hesitate, to kill, to protect what I believe in...
15

"There are no coincidences" - Marilyn Manson

zwiebelsaft
12-24-2009, 08:34 PM
1:05 - "My work is a series of lies and everyday, I kill to make them true"

This time I won't hesitate, to kill, to protect what I believe in...
15


"There are no coincidences" - Marilyn Manson
Coincidence on the number, since this is a youtube video after all, which was recorded and spliced together for the sake of avoiding any commercials. Although the quote I can easily see that.

spaceSuicide
12-28-2009, 09:26 AM
I haven't been to this thread in a little bit and I still see it's thriving more than ever. I love it.

Great points and ideas raised.

spaceSuicide
01-29-2010, 03:20 PM
Found this on youtube



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFB3m7cUq-A&feature=related

Jakob Synn
01-29-2010, 05:43 PM
Oh my godz!!! She's wearing a police like hat and suspenders! She mus be ripping off Manson! :o

The Paparazzi video is nothing like the beautiful people video. Wow. This person is stretching exceptionally hard.

Though I will say when I saw Gaga in her crutch outfit, I immediatly thought of Manson. So I'll give him that.

spaceSuicide
01-29-2010, 06:28 PM
Oh my godz!!! She's wearing a police like hat and suspenders! She mus be ripping off Manson! :o

The Paparazzi video is nothing like the beautiful people video. Wow. This person is stretching exceptionally hard.

Though I will say when I saw Gaga in her crutch outfit, I immediatly thought of Manson. So I'll give him that.

Video info said he gave the video that title so it would garner views to make it more popular.

Though it did contain elements discussed in this thread.

spaceSuicide
02-05-2010, 05:53 AM
What big eyes you have.


http://music.ology.com/files/2009/11/lady-gaga-bad-romance-vid-googly-eyes.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2d95unl.png

http://www.providermodule.com/videography/images/drugs/6.jpg

rrodmila
02-05-2010, 12:12 PM
Hey loves!

I'm sorry I haven't been posting in quite some time now, but I iz sooooooooooo busy, I swearz. I'm constantly studying and whatnot so I barely have time to sleep properly.

Nevermind what's above. Throughout my Lady Gaga .. "experience", I've been noticing lots and lots of similarities between Manson and Gaga. So today, upon finding a certain picture, I decided to take a look and see what you people think about these "coincidences". I personally cannot say I like Lady Gaga at all. I do think she's practically stealing Manson's act because her target audience is not likely to (have) appreciate(d) Manson so she's just applying the man's ideas. I do believe that she's getting away with it exactly because her music is messageless more or less so.. mainstream omg and all that. I do think she is/was a Manson fan (I've seen the brunette Gaga before she got famous and whatnot and her music was a lot more similar to the Cranberries' than to Madonna's.) and she has obviously been influenced by the man's work. I do know Manson has been inspired by several artists, but it's a difference between using certain imagery as an argument to the message and using it just for the SHOCK effect.

Anyways, hate aside.. I've noticed physical similarities between them as well. (The "artistic" ones are .. so many and I'd love to contribute to this thread because I've sincerely seen more). This thread is awesome. It's like we share the same brainz or sth. OMG. So here's the picture that made me go WOW.

http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv143/supersimi/marilyngaga.jpg

I was like OMMMG?? I knew they looked alike but I initially thought this was Manson.

So yeah, I'm a hater but one with arguments :P. I will not try to propagate my hate, I swearz.

I've missed you all extremely but now I must return to my lair and to the art of studying for tomorrow's exam.

>:D< and loooooaaads of ChocolateHugs.

P.S. SD and Nick Sixx, we should like get married and have children. Or just have a cup of tea. :)

S.Hal0mega.B
02-06-2010, 11:54 PM
wow this thread's been keeping me coming back every now and again and im must say it is brilliant. Great work guys n gals.

spaceSuicide
02-12-2010, 03:30 PM
I'm glad. ^


P.S. SD and Nick Sixx, we should like get married and have children. Or just have a cup of tea. :)

I'll be the man.

More posts to come.

zwiebelsaft
03-11-2010, 11:32 PM
There are so many homages to Marilyn Manson in the Telephone music video. I'd have pictures if paint wasn't so screwy with WMP screenshots. For example, the scene where Gaga takes pictures of Beyoncé is reminiscent of Heart-Shaped Glasses.

I also swear that when she's wearing the cautionary tape, it reminds me of the mummy picture from the MA period.

And then the final costumes totally remind me of Manson during the ACSS period. I couldn't find any pictures for the life of me, but that's just my interpretation.

Shangri-LIE
03-23-2010, 06:27 PM
Ga Ga gone drunken Mickey Mouse on Orange Agent Absinthe

http://www.personalizedboutique.com/images/ladygagavideo.jpg

21Faces
03-24-2010, 06:45 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2686/4459179231_fbc69fe85f_o.jpg

Telephone is structured around the juxtaposition of female subjugation and empowerment (but nothing to do with Marilyn Manson), making several explicit homages to iconic images on both sides of the coin. She begins with the exploitation film genre known as "Women in Prison" like The Big Doll House and Caged Heat, but rather than sapphic shower scenes of busty models soaping each other down GaGa offers hyper-butch women of the raunchiest order throwing down:


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4459959234_2357471565_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4459178991_585ce1ffeb_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4459958966_96bff8e4a3_o.jpg

Entertaining, but not arousing (at least, I assume, for most). The idea of skewering or poking fun of male sexual gratification is becoming standard GaGa: leading on a man while secretly desiring a woman in Pokerface, poisoning a boyfriend who tries to exploit her sexually in Papparazi, or immolating a wealthy man who purchases her at the end of Bad Romance, as examples. I think the MA mummy pic and GaGa's crime scene shoot is a bit of a stretch- the setup has more to do with displaying the female body as a crime scene- literally. The image speaks for itself, asking why GaGa is in prison if her body is the scene of the crime:


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4459958998_1af1a7386b_o.jpg

GaGa then movies into "Tarantino Land" when she's bailed out by "Honey B," played by Beyonce.They drive The Pussy Wagon (THE Pussy Wagon loaned by the man himself) from Kill Bill, a film that is about- if nothing else, women who kick ass.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2804/4459179193_56aef663b3_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/4459179179_2fc39b6f2f_o.jpg

Stilted Tarantino-esque dialog ensues, Polaroids are taken. This is not a nod to Heart-Shaped Glasses, but Thelma and Louise- another classic film about female empowerment: (by Ridley Scott- another director who generally favors strong female leads)


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4459959210_23d41c5441_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/4459179029_00bcc7abf2_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2733/4459179143_0db0c12bb6_o.jpg

Both videos also reference Thelma and Louise in their endings: GaGa and Honey B hold hands as they speed down a desert highway fleeing from the law. Manson and Evan drive their convertible off a cliff.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/4459959162_18baba4f33_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2762/4459179003_7d9d2acec7_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4459959178_408f4e91e9_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4027/4459179103_2975492f45_o.jpg

(cont...)

21Faces
03-24-2010, 06:46 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2769/4459959148_13fda7d5d8_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2717/4459959044_576fbcd40e_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4459179153_5491d76676_o.jpg

So- just like the ensemble that GaGa sports in the Love Game music video that Manson also sports in The Fight Song music video-they are drawing from a common source: The Night Porter (as Nick previously pointed out). But in both cases; the Polaroids taken in a car or the below example, GaGa's references seem to be more relevant to her own work. (invoking The Night Porter makes sense given the themes of Love Game, but I'm not sure what the film has to do- thematically or otherwise, with The Fight Song or the entirety of the Holy Wood album, for that matter. Likewise,Thelma and Louise shares a hell of a lot more with Telephone than it does Heart-Shaped Glasses).

Moving on... GaGa and Honey B then make their way to a standard icon of American culture: the diner, where Gaga subverts kitschy scenes from classic 1950's adverts featuring "happy housewives" holding up the food products (in this case the aptly chosen staples Miracle Whip and Wonderbread-) they cheerily slave over for their husbands' satisfaction. But unlike the smiling Stepford Wives she invokes, GaGa sneers mechanically, eats the sandwich herself while surrounded by her standard legion of cavorting gays... (it should also be noted that product placement itself is a significant device GaGa meaningfully employs to express an idea.)


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4459959060_2785669333_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2690/4459959052_93f86997c4_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/4459959064_ff0ab95cc3_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4459959034_5bd3df8c27_o.jpg

and emerges as a stone-faced one-eyed blonde in full white garb holding a tray and poisonous amber liquid: *cough*


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4459958968_699069b180_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4459179037_c83030a649_o.jpg

After poisoning the entire diner (the act of poisoning itself is a hugely loaded image, the details of which I won't get into here), GaGa and Honey B bust out an exuberant dance number while garbed in the American flag. This if anything, is the only correlation I think can be justifiably drawn between Lady GaGa and Marilyn Manson in this video- although it is not specifically a nod to Manson:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2713/4459179131_cd21d4643e_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2688/4459959090_249f2667fb_o.jpg

In covering themselves with the stars and stripes, GaGa and Manson declare their status as American artists and products of American culture. In Manson's case, as a "shock rocker," he demands that America take responsibility for what it has created. The horror of the Antichrist Superstar is nothing more than middle America's grotesque reflection thrown back in its own face.

But while Marilyn Manson created his own space in culture by being intentionally offensive and disturbing, GaGa's space requires she work within a slightly narrower set of parameters in terms of content and presentation. As a female pop diva GaGa hasn't the luxury of a shock rocker. She has to work a little harder to be subversive, be a little more subtle than, say, dressing like a Nazi or wiping her ass with The Bible.

spaceSuicide
03-24-2010, 11:33 AM
Beautiful posts are beautiful.

21Faces
03-24-2010, 03:03 PM
Beautiful posts are beautiful.
Thanks! I was going to add a little more, but I got tired and went to bed.

I think the product placement is probably one of the most significant elements of the video which could be interpreted a number of different ways- GaGa turning consumerist values against themselves (selling us poison along with phones and Polaroid cameras), and/or also connecting (or equating) the images of consumerist vehicles (the 1950's "happy housewives" hawking Miracle Whip and Wonder bread) with herself doing the same with mobile phones. Perhaps she is suggesting that while the specific products have changed, the position of women in commercial American culture (as producers and consumers) has not? That's only my personal interpretation, though.

It is interesting also that Manson has made similar arguments throughout his work concerning the relationships between music stars, their identities as products, and what they exist to sell- although in different ways. I think it's notable that they both frequently like to evoke the image of automata in their movements and expressions. The idea of embracing the artificiality of their positions and expressing that in their personal presentations- more so than incidental similarities like makeup or film references, is what truly links them. If Manson fashioned himself by showing America the "dark side" of what a pop star is- the shadow of a pop star, then GaGa is a pop star who is aware of- and employs, her own shadow.

spaceSuicide
03-24-2010, 04:29 PM
We both like Vampirism and wearing grills, who'd have though eh?


Vampire grills de GaGa

http://i43.tinypic.com/14nhjlv.jpg

Martydoms grills de Manson

http://i41.tinypic.com/59sjyw.jpg

Fav
03-25-2010, 11:17 AM
I think one of the biggest similarities that Lady GaGa has with Marilyn Manson is their utilization of glamour. To the occasional observer, Omega and GaGa are just attention-seeking glamed-up shiny rockstars being extravagant, but to those who understand the concept of Coma White, or the meaning behind "The Fame Monster", there's much darker elements to all those sparkly diamonds.

Take her song "Monster", for example. I interpreted it to be how Hollywood people can be cold and uncaring, without any warm soul, and will dispose of you and move on to the next "chart-topping" interest. Her despair and longing love in that track isn't too far off from the pain in "User Friendly", but both songs sound "happy and poppy."

The darker side of fame....

ieoshua
03-25-2010, 01:38 PM
I find Lady Gaga today way more visual entertaining than Manson... maybe that's one of the reasons I like her

Fifteen
04-02-2010, 03:36 PM
They both seem to like David Bowie.

21Faces
05-17-2010, 04:51 PM
Wardrobe malfunction, tirade, exaltations of "motherfuckers" (possible molestation of guitarist?) lead into Manson LoveGame remix at V Festival (starting at 3:00).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LGV85Kd-Kc

ThreeEyedGod
05-17-2010, 05:09 PM
Are manson and Gaga still pals? Didn't he diss her lately?

21Faces
05-17-2010, 05:16 PM
Are manson and Gaga still pals? Didn't he diss her lately?
I know what interview clip you're talking about, and I honestly can't tell if he's accusing her of ripping him off or giving her a compliment. I don't really care either way, tbh. That horrible remix they did together sounds a lot more tolerable live, though.

ThreeEyedGod
05-17-2010, 06:19 PM
I know what interview clip you're talking about, and I honestly can't tell if he's accusing her of ripping him off or giving her a compliment. I don't really care either way, tbh. That horrible remix they did together sounds a lot more tolerable live, though.

Manson and Gaga have performed live together?! Or she performed over the track live?

21Faces
05-17-2010, 06:59 PM
Manson and Gaga have performed live together?! Or she performed over the track live?
Watch the video and find out! lol

Not Mechanical
05-18-2010, 07:02 AM
Manson and Gaga have performed live together?! Or she performed over the track live?

It gets played as an interlude after she performs the original version live.
I like that it gets played, I think it's such a cool remix.

ThreeEyedGod
05-18-2010, 12:56 PM
^aaah

Not Mechanical
08-07-2010, 11:18 AM
I'd appreciate if those interested could check out my essay: 'Marilyn Manson and Lady Gaga: An analysis of imagery and thematic correlations' (http://notmechanical.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/marilyn-manson-and-lady-gaga/)
I'm quite proud of it, though there's a lot more to talk about, I anticipate a part two.

spaceSuicide
08-07-2010, 03:03 PM
I'd appreciate if those interested could check out my essay: 'Marilyn Manson and Lady Gaga: An analysis of imagery and thematic correlations' (http://notmechanical.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/marilyn-manson-and-lady-gaga/)
I'm quite proud of it, though there's a lot more to talk about, I anticipate a part two.

Excellent.

spaceSuicide
08-25-2010, 04:01 AM
Found this on deviantART, thought it was cool. Nothing more.

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/236/b/8/b8724557c9a48cf976416cf88ddf9455.jpg

http://my.deviantart.com/messages/#/d2x7ksl

Ludwig
08-25-2010, 04:50 AM
Lady Gaga and Marilyn Manson slash fiction?

Dronepool
09-07-2010, 07:41 PM
Lady Gaga reminds me of Marilyn Manson as Christina, lol.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc53/sistersurprise/PartyMonster1.jpg

spaceSuicide
09-07-2010, 08:33 PM
Lady Gaga reminds me of Marilyn Manson as Christina, lol.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc53/sistersurprise/PartyMonster1.jpg

ehhhhhhhhhhhh

Galenskaparen
09-09-2010, 01:47 PM
http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2010/09/Lady-Gaga-Meat-Cover.jpg

I know, it's not an direct visual parallel but it reminded me of the "Meat and Greet"-chapter in The Long Hard Road out of Hell, the deaf girl, the meat, etc. Then again, it might as well be a reference to The Beatles infamous "butcher cover".

KnaveMurdok
10-01-2010, 12:36 PM
in 3 years and in the space of one album and EP, Lady Gaga has managed to produce 15 hours worth of non-album material (according to iTunes)

15... get it? hah!

Hexon.Arq
10-01-2010, 03:05 PM
in 3 years and in the space of one album and EP, Lady Gaga has managed to produce 15 hours worth of non-album material (according to iTunes)

15... get it? hah!

That seems a little excessive.

KnaveMurdok
10-01-2010, 04:14 PM
that's not all. 5 of those hours are not remixes :P

3 years, 15 hours, 5 hours not remixes.

The numbers never lie!

Freeston3r
10-23-2010, 06:15 PM
Here is Gaga commenting on working with Manson. She talks about singing together, the track WOW and that she remixed Armageddon. Shame we never got to hear it.

its near the end of the interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYND2IEWQyk&feature=related

spaceSuicide
10-25-2010, 04:01 AM
Here is Gaga commenting on working with Manson. She talks about singing together, the track WOW and that she remixed Armageddon. Shame we never got to hear it.

its near the end of the interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYND2IEWQyk&feature=related

Never seen that before, strangely.

I knew she had to do Arma-goddamn-mother-fuckin-geddon. WOW is a surprise though. Maybe they'll be heard sometime...

can hope.

Aphrodyte
01-06-2011, 04:49 PM
Not much, but when she signs her tweets with MM (which is Mother Monster, I'm guessing), it totally reminds me of Manson.

Allycat
01-07-2011, 05:03 AM
I know little to nothing about this performer, but I have to say that I think that the name, 'lady ga ga', is not especially imaginative. I doubt I want to take the time to find out if her musical fare is as boring as her name.

Yeah, that meat dress reminded me of the meat&greet in mm's autobiography...

Hexon.Arq
01-07-2011, 05:25 AM
I know little to nothing about this performer, but I have to say that I think that the name, 'lady ga ga', is not especially imaginative. I doubt I want to take the time to find out if her musical fare is as boring as her name.

What would have been a name more to your liking? Madame Apocrypha Booglebart Mittens von Pretentious Much?

spaceSuicide
01-07-2011, 11:40 AM
I know little to nothing about this performer, but I have to say that I think that the name, 'lady ga ga', is not especially imaginative. I doubt I want to take the time to find out if her musical fare is as boring as her name.

Yeah, that meat dress reminded me of the meat&greet in mm's autobiography...

Her names based off of Queen's song Radio Ga Ga.

Not Mechanical
01-07-2011, 12:56 PM
Lady Gaga reminds me of Marilyn Manson as Christina, lol.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc53/sistersurprise/PartyMonster1.jpg

Fear of Party Monster?
;)

Allycat
01-07-2011, 01:43 PM
Her names based off of Queen's song Radio Ga Ga.


Oh, I see. Thanx for the info.

Lol @ hexon. Sounds, well, to be very imaginative a name indeed.

VelvetAIDS
01-07-2011, 02:35 PM
Fear of Party Monster?
;)

^Win.

spaceSuicide
02-09-2011, 03:41 PM
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110208195644/ladygaga/images/a/a1/BornThisWay-Single.png

Looking like Omega a little bit on the new single cover. maybe its the winged eyeliner.

Hexon.Arq
02-09-2011, 04:22 PM
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110208195644/ladygaga/images/a/a1/BornThisWay-Single.png

Looking like Omega a little bit on the new single cover. maybe its the winged eyeliner.

This is what popped in my head when I saw it:

http://www.kcconfidential.com/userfiles/cats.jpg

Not that I have a problem with that. A cat is fine too. ;3

Aphrodyte
03-03-2011, 09:17 AM
http://gagadaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Photo-23.jpg O_O is it just me or...?

Golden Eel
03-03-2011, 03:34 PM
Manson makes a far better woman than Gaga makes a man.

Hexon.Arq
03-03-2011, 06:04 PM
http://gagadaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Photo-23.jpg O_O is it just me or...?


GAH! I'm confused, which one is it?! :O

kalim123
08-18-2012, 10:41 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2769/4459959148_13fda7d5d8_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2717/4459959044_576fbcd40e_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4459179153_5491d76676_o.jpg

So- just like the ensemble that GaGa sports in the Love Game music video that Manson also sports in The Fight Song music video-they are drawing from a common source: The Night Porter (as Nick previously pointed out). But in both cases; the Polaroids taken in a car or the below example, GaGa's references seem to be more relevant to her own work. (invoking The Night Porter makes sense given the themes of Love Game, but I'm not sure what the film has to do- thematically or otherwise, with The Fight Song or the entirety of the Holy Wood album, for that matter. Likewise,Thelma and Louise shares a hell of a lot more with Telephone than it does Heart-Shaped Glasses).

Moving on... GaGa and Honey B then make their way to a standard icon of American culture: the diner, where Gaga subverts kitschy scenes from classic 1950's adverts featuring "happy housewives" holding up the food products (in this case the aptly chosen staples Miracle Whip and Wonderbread-) they cheerily slave over for their husbands' satisfaction. But unlike the smiling Stepford Wives she invokes, GaGa sneers mechanically, eats the sandwich herself while surrounded by her standard legion of cavorting gays... (it should also be noted that product placement itself is a significant device GaGa meaningfully employs to express an idea.)


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4459959060_2785669333_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2690/4459959052_93f86997c4_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/4459959064_ff0ab95cc3_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4459959034_5bd3df8c27_o.jpg

and emerges as a stone-faced one-eyed blonde in full white garb holding a tray and poisonous amber liquid: *cough*


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4459958968_699069b180_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4459179037_c83030a649_o.jpg

After poisoning the entire diner (the act of poisoning itself is a hugely loaded image, the details of which I won't get into here), GaGa and Honey B bust out an exuberant dance number while garbed in the American flag. This if anything, is the only correlation I think can be justifiably drawn between Lady GaGa and Marilyn Manson in this video- although it is not specifically a nod to Manson:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2713/4459179131_cd21d4643e_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2688/4459959090_249f2667fb_o.jpg

In covering themselves with the stars and stripes, GaGa and Manson declare their status as American artists and products of American culture. In Manson's case, as a "shock rocker," he demands that America take responsibility for what it has created. The horror of the Antichrist Superstar is nothing more than middle America's grotesque reflection thrown back in its own face.

But while Marilyn Manson created his own space in culture by being intentionally offensive and disturbing, GaGa's space requires she work within a slightly narrower set of parameters in terms of content and presentation. As a female pop diva GaGa hasn't the luxury of a shock rocker. She has to work a little harder to be subversive, be a little more subtle than, say, dressing like a Nazi or wiping her ass with The Bible.
I loved that! Gaga, Manson & Tarantino are just some of my heroes.

kalim123
08-18-2012, 11:00 AM
BTW this guy.........http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I70yI07OHeY/T1Dz4Mg_9BI/AAAAAAAABnc/xsmW2rA86mw/s640/lady-gaga-and-zombie-boy.jpg reminds me of this girlhttp://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltjpijgs1T1r1ndqk.jpg

kalim123
08-19-2012, 07:06 AM
This is a lyrical similarity taken from the track Government Hooker
Put your hands on me
John. F. Kennedy
I'll make you squeal baby
As long as you pay me

This line is similar to lines in songs like Posthuman (She wants me to be perfect like Kennedy) & alot of songs on
Holy Wood, including President Dead & others

dopedevil73
08-19-2012, 05:56 PM
From the tourniquet video:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc60/dopedevil73/mm.jpg


Lady GaGa:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc60/dopedevil73/gaga.jpg

kalim123
08-20-2012, 06:21 AM
^WOW! Good One

eleven44
08-23-2012, 03:26 AM
That last photo of Gaga, does it get anymore 'illuminati' than that? Baphomet position, one eye closed, eyes in the hand. Mannequin, symbolizing that she's an object.

It's either she and her pop comrades are intentionally trying to fuck with people, or your local conspiracy theorist has a lot to talk about. Hahaha.

kalim123
08-27-2012, 07:33 AM
Greetings, Little Monsters from the Haus of Gaga. Please join our group on Provider Module

Join, discuss, share & spread the word of Her Majesty, Mother Monster.



PAWS UP.

http://s2.favim.com/orig/28/lady-gaga-monsters-paws-up-Favim.com-233644.gif

kalim123
09-02-2012, 08:40 AM
http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Lady_Gaga_Fame_perfume_ad-490x346.jpg
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/426625_485259308153530_761442996_n.jpg
I heard that the mask manson was wearing was given to him by a designer that has designed clothes for Gaga.

kalim123
09-02-2012, 08:48 AM
http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/marilynmansonrocks22/default/marilyn-mansonlive-dead-world-tour--large-msg-118204872997.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq6RWMSn6ok

kalim123
09-02-2012, 08:49 AM
^ http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpoXPuljZS8ZLYATwMIkDnZa130qj-v32JB2ryoVu6ctAwCWznVw&t=1

kalim123
09-02-2012, 09:06 AM
http://www.providermodule.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_AS_Promotional_169.jpghttp://gagafashionland.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/bad-romance.jpghttp://www.providermodule.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_AS_Promotional_153.jpg

kalim123
09-04-2012, 01:29 PM
BTW Lady Gaga is signed to Konlive I believe, which is part of Interscope. Manson was signed to Nothing, which was part of Interscope.

kalim123
09-05-2012, 12:39 PM
More! This is a mask worn at the Born This Way Ball
http://cdn.littlemonsters.com/4fc06d53c64dfcba5500e938/i4c8e84241ef9c_700.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QSaMGdds_K8/T7-YMmyIc1I/AAAAAAAAFsM/mPoJAfumR4I/s1600/trismegistus576.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.svpply.com/large/1292582.jpg%3F1344996536

kalim123
09-06-2012, 12:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_PStlG9XGI
0:05 is similiar to....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkiCFOE-Ic
0:04 to 0:17

AssetReign
09-06-2012, 03:24 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0na3r1bLO1rnbhyuo1_400.gif
"No stealy,Gaga"

kalim123
09-24-2012, 09:42 AM
Look what I found on Littlemonsters.com
http://littlemonsters.com/image/506040ed4f5cf1f308003af3

Bryson18
09-24-2012, 09:49 AM
Nice find!

The Empirical Guy
09-25-2012, 04:21 AM
As per the OP's request, can we please keep Gaga-hate out of this thread. Yes, I agree, it can easily be seen as a blatant copy from the Manson shot, but hopes of her death are not really warranted or needed here.

S.D.
09-25-2012, 06:57 AM
Look what I found on Littlemonsters.com
http://littlemonsters.com/image/506040ed4f5cf1f308003af3
To be fair, Manson's toilet photograph was in itself initially comparable to a famous shot of Ozzy Osbourne taken during the 1970s:-


http://www.providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./ozzy_toilet.jpg

David Bowie also had a picture of himself sat (though fully-clothed) with a book on the toilet around the same time:-


http://www.providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./bowie_toilet.jpg

Totally incidental, but in the spirit of observing 'Visual Parallels', the book Bowie has is a biography of actor Buster Keaton, which he was also photographed holding in a pose that emulated Keaton's expression on the cover:-


http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/29/ab/buster,keaton,david,bowie-29abe03cdc1e9c4338e006c0d533e632_h.jpg

kalim123
09-25-2012, 08:28 AM
As per the OP's request, can we please keep Gaga-hate out of this thread. Yes, I agree, it can easily be seen as a blatant copy from the Manson shot, but hopes of her death are not really warranted or needed here.
Are you talking about what I just posted? Cause I never gave her death threats. She's like, Jesus to me.

kalim123
09-25-2012, 08:37 AM
To be fair, Manson's toilet photograph was in itself initially comparable to a famous shot of Ozzy Osbourne taken during the 1970s:-


http://www.providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./ozzy_toilet.jpg

David Bowie also had a picture of himself sat (though fully-clothed) with a book on the toilet around the same time:-


http://www.providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./bowie_toilet.jpg

Totally incidental, but in the spirit of observing 'Visual Parallels', the book Bowie has is a biography of actor Buster Keaton, which he was also photographed holding in a pose that emulated Keaton's expression on the cover:-


http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/29/ab/buster,keaton,david,bowie-29abe03cdc1e9c4338e006c0d533e632_h.jpg

I know that, but all the stuff that's posted on this thread is probably just coincidental anyway. But why does it seem to be that whenever someone makes a similarity between the pair that David Bowie did that too, & both are really big fans so that's where it probably came from? It pisses me off!

This isn't a similarity but it's cool!
http://littlemonsters.com/image/506191c56d1be6ed27002395

The Empirical Guy
09-26-2012, 02:14 AM
Are you talking about what I just posted? Cause I never gave her death threats. She's like, Jesus to me.

No, it was to Bryson's post directly above mine which has now been edited to remove the offending comment.

Bryson18
09-26-2012, 08:35 AM
No, it was to Bryson's post directly above mine which has now been edited to remove the offending comment.

Thanks for pointing me out like that. Did you want me to leave the comment there? I was trying to be nice since you had such a problem with it and sticking up for her. lol

TheTeletubbieFlasher
09-26-2012, 04:15 PM
http://www.sunshinedaydream.biz/assets/images/posters/frank-zappa-toilet-poster.jpg

brian219
09-27-2012, 04:10 AM
http://fashionforwriters.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jennymccarthy_18-taking-piss-candies.jpg

AssetReign
09-27-2012, 09:11 AM
This thread has turned into the "photos of celebrities sitting on the toilet" thread.

ThreeEyedGod
09-27-2012, 10:17 AM
What happened to us PM??

We used to be so classy.

now look at us.

arkahno
09-27-2012, 06:04 PM
who cares? they are just people sitting on a toilet.
I do that everyday.

VelvetAIDS
09-27-2012, 09:31 PM
I do that everyday.

Not all of us have that privilege!! D:

brian219
09-27-2012, 11:31 PM
I apologize for posting another toilet pic. It just seemed like the thing to do at the time.

LSDXM
10-05-2012, 11:27 AM
I know little to nothing about this performer, but I have to say that I think that the name, 'lady ga ga', is not especially imaginative. I doubt I want to take the time to find out if her musical fare is as boring as her name.

Yeah, that meat dress reminded me of the meat&greet in mm's autobiography...

As was pointed out already, the name does arrive from Queen's "Radio Gaga" (and according to her in interviews, her theater friends called her gaga due to her wild energetic unpredictable talent)

I've not yet finished reading all of this thread so I will delete this if it's already mentioned, but the name Lady Gaga implies the exact same dichotomy as the name Marilyn Manson.

Lady
1. A well-mannered and considerate woman with high standards of proper behavior.
2. a. A woman regarded as proper and virtuous.b. A well-behaved young girl.


3. A woman who is the head of a household.
4. A woman, especially when spoken of or to in a polite way.
5. a. A woman to whom a man is romantically attached.b. Informal A wife.



Gaga
1. Silly; crazy.
2. Completely absorbed, infatuated, or excited: They were gaga over the rock group's new album.
3. Senile; doddering.




Personally I think it's a pretty significant connection.

blue angel
10-05-2012, 11:35 AM
Yes, she is a lady / baby.

ThreeEyedGod
10-05-2012, 11:38 AM
she's a man baaby

FeedYourHead
07-29-2013, 11:12 AM
Not sure if this should go here or in the general Lady Gaga thread, but chose here since my post is basically about coincidental nonsense that annoys me despite knowing that it's coincidental nonsense.

First there was this: Lady Gaga Gets Nose Pierced as She Completes Gothic Transformation Ahead of ARTPOP Release (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/23/lady-gaga-nose-piercing-new-album-artpop_n_3638780.html?utm_hp_ref=uk%3Fncid%3DGEP)

And now Twiggy just retweeted THIS (http://instagram.com/p/cW6I_JkJ8D/#) on his twitter.

SIIIIIIIGH.

Cringeon
07-29-2013, 11:34 AM
ARTPOP sounds like Gidget Gein's stuff too. Love the Twig tweet, thanks for posting.

The Empirical Guy
07-30-2013, 05:20 AM
Sigh. That article using "gothic" and "screamo" together like they have anything to do with one another.

kalim123
07-31-2013, 02:50 AM
I'm really excited for ARTPOP! Been a gaga stan for awhile now. Check out the thread to discuss, expect REAL performance art!

kalim123
07-31-2013, 02:50 AM
Sigh. That article using "gothic" and "screamo" together like they have anything to do with one another.

This lol

MrBonestripper
08-15-2013, 10:27 PM
Sigh. That article using "gothic" and "screamo" together like they have anything to do with one another.

yeah i thought that was a little odd too

and i had no idea marilyn was goth
but i guess he does wear black and sing about vampires now..


not into gaga at all, but this is slightly interesting. i wonder if her sounds will change

kalim123
08-20-2013, 02:21 AM
So any Manson influences in Applause MV?

spaceSuicide
08-20-2013, 05:51 PM
So any Manson influences in Applause MV?

No, not really.

AppleOfSodom
08-21-2013, 04:25 PM
that whole black glove censorial bras scene actualy reminded me of GAOG era