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[god]speed
10-08-2009, 03:29 AM
This thread is intended to showcase parallels and allusions to Phantasmagoria. Which is not the product of vindictive legalistic theory... Though perhaps Abstract Speculation

While reading into Lewis Carroll the other day, I stumbled across this passage that caught my attention and instantly made me think of the following photo...Which was the very first Image that appeared during the Phantasmagoria Transformation.

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nk_transformation1_head_092804.jpg
Image courtesy of Nick Kushner


Some authors, in particular Sadi Ranson, have suggested Carroll may have suffered from temporal lobe epilepsy in which consciousness is not always completely lost, but altered, and in which the symptoms mimic many of the same experiences as Alice in Wonderland. Note that Carroll had at least one incidence in which he suffered full loss of consciousness and awoke with a bloody nose, which he recorded in his diary and noted that the episode left him not feeling himself for "quite sometime afterward". This attack was diagnosed as possibly "epileptiform" and Carroll himself later wrote of his "seizures" in the same diary.


Source: http://www.creativesparks-ep.com/view/70
It is interesting that Carroll states he was not feeling like himself, for "Quite some time, afterwards" as the same could and has been said about Manson from his own mouth, I can't recall the exact wording from the Interview with MansonUSA, But it was something along the lines of "I didn't know who I was for a period of time" or something of that nature, I have high lighted Seizures, due to the play on words that Manson is so fond of, In one sense a epileptic seizure whereas the same word denotes...


http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nktrans26.jpg
Courtesy of NK





I MUST add this...

SYNESTHESIA is also sometimes reported by individuals, during a temporal lobe epilepsy seizure.

Doppelherz:
Will Someone Please Autograph the Temporal Lobe

Notice: Autograph, In modern day, a celebrities are worshipped through the T.V. Minds as "Gods"
Sounds of the Brain: "Doll-Dagga-Buzz-Buzz- Ziggety-Zag" GOD MOD grotesk burlesk drag.

There is A Cluster of Nerves Within The Temporal Lobe that has been nicknamed " The God Module" As It is Thought to Produce "Religious Experiences"



In 1997, neuropsychologist V. S. Ramachandran presented his discovery of the "God module" at the annual conference of the Society for Neuroscience. The "God module" is a cluster of nerve cells located in the temporal lobe of the brain that, when stimulated, appears to trigger a religious experience.

Dr. Ramachandran and his colleagues discovered this spot while studying epileptic patients. Many patients who suffer from temporal lobe seizures also experience intense religious or spiritual encounters during these seizures.

The researchers developed three possible theories to explain the occurrence of these religious experiences.

Seizures cause intense sensory experiences that are interpreted as "paranormal hallucinations".
The temporal lobe is located in close proximity to the amygdala, a region of the brain that is associated with emotion. Seizures in the temporal lobe may also affect the amygdala.
There is a system in the temporal lobe specifically devoted to religious experiences.
The first theory was discarded because the experience of a hallucination is not specifically a "religious" experience, and the patients specifically reported religious feelings as a result of their seizures.


The second theory was tested by examining the patients for strong emotional responses to non-religious objects. Since the patients reported elevated emotions only when exposed to religious imagery, the possibility of general elevated emotional response was discarded.

This forced researchers to conclude that the patients were responding to a stimulus to a region of the brain devoted to religious experience. Examination of non-epileptic religious people showed elevated brain activity in the isolated region when the subjects were exposed to religious imagery.

The existence of this brain region does not reduce the validity of spiritual experiences. When told about these findings, Richard Harries, the Bishop of Oxford, said "it would not be surprising if God had created us with a physical facility for belief."


http://everything2.com/title/God+module

S.D.
10-08-2009, 03:59 AM
speed"]Though perhaps Abstract Speculation

I have that in abundance some might say... I am aware that the "Twins" video is doing the rounds at the moment, not only against the backdrop of Norsefire's Hindenburg observation (http://www.nachtkabarett.com/babalon/topic/577--Phantasmagoria-Twin-photo-Hindenburg-Disaster-), but also both twins "have a knife", which reminded me instantly of this (thank you to The Nachtkabarett for the comawhite.com image):-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/suicide.gif



And the twins:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/KnifeParty.jpg



Also, what's that on the tail of the Hindenberg...?
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Hindenburg.jpg


A "plane" that went into the fire, perhaps.

Anyway "knives drawn" in Phantasmagoria, perhaps from a bouquet... Certainly the exchange of blades is a recurring theme, from The Speed of Pain and Spade also... Perhaps the twins are stabbing each other, putting holes in happiness, Murder Cute/ Happy Rape --- Murder/Happy.


"And we said, til we die"


Needless to say, if it isn't too cringeworthy for me to do so, these girls want to kill each other like they do in the movies.

The Empirical Guy
10-08-2009, 06:07 AM
S.D, that post was just full of win. Highlighted the use of knives throughout Manson's work which I'd been aware of, but never paid so much attention to, especially in older material.

Cassandra
10-08-2009, 06:27 PM
It's also been theorized that Lewis Carroll may have suffered from migraine aura. I stumbled upon this site about it when I was researching my own symptoms.
http://www.migraine-aura.org/content/e2 ... ex_en.html (http://www.migraine-aura.org/content/e24966/e25007/e25152/index_en.html)

I get horrible auras that never seem to go completely away and also have something called Alice in Wonderland syndrome that has been closely tied to migraines. I've dealt with it for as long as I can remember and I always thought that feeling time slow down or speed up or suddenly feeling that I had shrunk was normal and everyone experienced it. The symptoms I get do closely mirror what Alice goes through in the book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_W ... d_syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome)

http://www.aiws.info/

Arch Dandy
06-02-2010, 07:09 AM
speed;47264']This thread is intended to showcase parallels and allusions to Phantasmagoria. Which is not the product of vindictive legalistic theory... Though perhaps Abstract Speculation

While reading into Lewis Carroll the other day, I stumbled across this passage that caught my attention and instantly made me think of the following photo...Which was the very first Image that appeared during the Phantasmagoria Transformation.

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nk_transformation1_head_092804.jpg
Image courtesy of Nick Kushner


Some authors, in particular Sadi Ranson, have suggested Carroll may have suffered from temporal lobe epilepsy in which consciousness is not always completely lost, but altered, and in which the symptoms mimic many of the same experiences as Alice in Wonderland. Note that Carroll had at least one incidence in which he suffered full loss of consciousness and awoke with a bloody nose, which he recorded in his diary and noted that the episode left him not feeling himself for "quite sometime afterward". This attack was diagnosed as possibly "epileptiform" and Carroll himself later wrote of his "seizures" in the same diary.


Source: http://www.creativesparks-ep.com/view/70
It is interesting that Carroll states he was not feeling like himself, for "Quite some time, afterwards" as the same could and has been said about Manson from his own mouth, I can't recall the exact wording from the Interview with MansonUSA, But it was something along the lines of "I didn't know who I was for a period of time" or something of that nature, I have high lighted Seizures, due to the play on words that Manson is so fond of, In one sense a epileptic seizure whereas the same word denotes...


http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nktrans26.jpg
Courtesy of NK





I MUST add this...

SYNESTHESIA is also sometimes reported by individuals, during a temporal lobe epilepsy seizure.

Doppelherz:
Will Someone Please Autograph the Temporal Lobe

Notice: Autograph, In modern day, a celebrities are worshipped through the T.V. Minds as "Gods"
Sounds of the Brain: "Doll-Dagga-Buzz-Buzz- Ziggety-Zag" GOD MOD grotesk burlesk drag.

There is A Cluster of Nerves Within The Temporal Lobe that has been nicknamed " The God Module" As It is Thought to Produce "Religious Experiences"



In 1997, neuropsychologist V. S. Ramachandran presented his discovery of the "God module" at the annual conference of the Society for Neuroscience. The "God module" is a cluster of nerve cells located in the temporal lobe of the brain that, when stimulated, appears to trigger a religious experience.

Dr. Ramachandran and his colleagues discovered this spot while studying epileptic patients. Many patients who suffer from temporal lobe seizures also experience intense religious or spiritual encounters during these seizures.

The researchers developed three possible theories to explain the occurrence of these religious experiences.

Seizures cause intense sensory experiences that are interpreted as "paranormal hallucinations".
The temporal lobe is located in close proximity to the amygdala, a region of the brain that is associated with emotion. Seizures in the temporal lobe may also affect the amygdala.
There is a system in the temporal lobe specifically devoted to religious experiences.
The first theory was discarded because the experience of a hallucination is not specifically a "religious" experience, and the patients specifically reported religious feelings as a result of their seizures.


The second theory was tested by examining the patients for strong emotional responses to non-religious objects. Since the patients reported elevated emotions only when exposed to religious imagery, the possibility of general elevated emotional response was discarded.

This forced researchers to conclude that the patients were responding to a stimulus to a region of the brain devoted to religious experience. Examination of non-epileptic religious people showed elevated brain activity in the isolated region when the subjects were exposed to religious imagery.

The existence of this brain region does not reduce the validity of spiritual experiences. When told about these findings, Richard Harries, the Bishop of Oxford, said "it would not be surprising if God had created us with a physical facility for belief."


http://everything2.com/title/God+module


I can not see the picture (either the nachtkabarett is down or for some reason my computer isn't opening it), but is this the picture of Manson with the bloody nose? Either way, this is a great theory, and I would love to hear more about it. Forgive me if I am wrong, but are you saying that some of Manson's work is in a state where, as you quoted, "I didn't know who I was for a period of time"?