Does Marilyn Manson have a "Mark David"?

[Dv5]

As we know, one of Mansons main themes is assasination. But my questions are as followed. For someone who draws so many parallels between himself, Jesus Chris, John Lennon, and Kennedy etc...why bother with security? Why bother with preservation Why bother with contradicting his artistic aspiration to be martyred with an adversity to violence?

Even if Manson were to be murdered at this stage in his career, what impact would it have? Would there be vigils Worldwide like there were for Cobain and Lennon? So many rockstars have died from either drug overdosages, mysterious circumstances, or murder. So what sets him aside from this list of seemingly inevitable casualties?

Don't get me wrong, I am not wishing that such a horrific event should happen.

I am just trying to get into your minds before I specify my intentions for making this thread, and eventually giving you my theory as to why nothing of the sort has happened.

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[S.D.]

Everyone knows the coolest rock stars are the ones who don't die. Like David Fucking Bowie.

I don't think Manson has ever stated a desire to be martyred, his thematic quite plainly makes the assertion that death is not restricted to, or defined by the simple fact of being alive or not, it's about how you are perceived, dealt with, scapegoated or misrepresented to the world. It might not have had the same ramifications in terms of the artist's life ending, but Columbine was Manson's "Mark David", he was just the only one that lived through it.

Besides that, back to the notion of martyrdom, it's always seemed obvious to me that his was one of being misunderstood and misinterpreted, not of being killed. It makes the same difference in the public sphere, whether the act is unlike an assassination or not. If anything, given that the Christ mythologoy is chiefly a fiction, perhaps based on some similar actual events, one can assume the notion that you don't have to die to be crucified, and you can indeed be resurrected or martyred after "they kill you on their TVs".

[ThreeEyedGod]

Why bother with preservation Why bother with contradicting his artistic aspiration to be martyred with an adversity to violence?

What the...? When the hell did Manson make the declaration that he aspired to be martyred?

I think his death would be seen as mostly a curiosity by the mainstream media. Certainly it wouldn't get as much attention as Lennon, but more than Dimebag.

[Dv5]

That's one way of looking at it, S.D.

However, in the past moreso than the present, I think that Marilyn Manson predicted, if not completley expected to be killed in some manner to make his point more powerful. Even though he seems to have transcended that idea, and has gone through a metamorphasis into illustrating love as the proverbial fatal bullet, as opposed to being taken out by some fundamental wack job.

[ImNotJesus]

Marilyn Manson is a human being...to the best of our knowledge.

Like most human's, I'm sure that he has a drive live his life as long as possible and avoid death at any and all costs.

His theological, philosophical and artistic interpretations of death and matyrdom don't necessarily dictate a need for him to literally become an example of such. Sometimes with Manson, it is just art, and not a part of his lifestyle.

Like S.D pointed out, he's already been the matyr in many aspects of his life and work, such as the Columbine shootings and the widespread hatred and misinterpretation of his message and music.

Though, I do believe that his assasination would prove to be one final, powerfully ironic means to the end of his career.

[M Tragedy666]

Anton LaVey once said something about self-preservation being the highest law, right before lust, and other "sins".

Obviously, Manson doesnt wish to die. It's not too hard to die if you really want to. He has security up the ass perhaps to ensure that a physical martyrdome doesnt happen to him.

Hell, who hasnt thought about dying occasionally? Your a lier if you said the idea of suicide has never entered your head. Just because you thought about it or talked about it, doesnt make it something you will do or really want to do necessarily.

Maybe he has drawn such comparisons because of his very fear of death, rather than a death wish? Flip it around and think about why he has chose to sing about what he sings about. There maybe other things going on in it...other ideas. Perhaps some of them have not been thought about...like the obvious, for one.

I'm curious to see where this is going, SHANGRI-LIE. Can't wait for your response.