PDA

View Full Version : Extreme epidemic control enforcement.



Shangri-LIE
01-28-2010, 02:00 PM
I hate to sound cruel here. I really do. But I have been thinking about what should be done with people who have viral diseases, who are incurable, who pose a threat to the greater public. My conclusion? Have them quarantined, taken to a secret bunker, and executed. For instance, anyone diagnosed with H.I.V. should be rushed to a hospital, and injected with a lethal dose of Sodium thiopental, Pancuronium/Tubocurarine, then a fatal dose of Potassium chloride.

So, I ask, should people with deadly communicable diseases be treated like zombies? Killed, and dumped into a mass grave to be incinerated? Think about it people. Think about it.

spaceSuicide
01-28-2010, 02:02 PM
In the most fictiocious ways that sounds like a good plan, of course that's purely imagination.

Most people don't even know they have HIV or AIDS until it's too late (not that it can be cured anyways).

Shangri-LIE
01-28-2010, 02:08 PM
In the most fictiocious ways that sounds like a good plan, of course that's purely imagination.

Most people don't even know they have HIV or AIDS until it's too late (not that it can be cured anyways).

Well then the government should implement mandatory tests every month on each citizen? Compulsory medical screenings ftw!

Dysmorphia
01-28-2010, 06:13 PM
So, I ask, should people with deadly communicable diseases be treated like zombies? Killed, and dumped into a mass grave to be incinerated? Think about it people. Think about it.

I think that is not the best way of disposing them- there's bound to be a better solution for the environment. :P

This sounds heartless but I would 'put down' any seriously disabled person, because of the cost to keep them "alive" and I think it is cruel to keep someone alive like that.

I also feel that those who pose a greater threat to the public are stupid people. In Australia there seems to be a culture of people who feel that everything is owed to them and they do not have to take any responsiblity for their actions. These people are a strain on society. I would like to see these people lined up and obliterated.

Shangri-LIE
01-29-2010, 09:19 AM
I think that is not the best way of disposing them- there's bound to be a better solution for the environment. :P

This sounds heartless but I would 'put down' any seriously disabled person, because of the cost to keep them "alive" and I think it is cruel to keep someone alive like that.

I also feel that those who pose a greater threat to the public are stupid people. In Australia there seems to be a culture of people who feel that everything is owed to them and they do not have to take any responsiblity for their actions. These people are a strain on society. I would like to see these people lined up and obliterated.

I agree with the first part, to a degree. As for exterminating stupid people, eh, that's funny but not really practical. Where would our entertainment come from without random acts of stupidity?

The "scary" part is. This very well could become a reality someday.

keyboards
01-29-2010, 09:29 AM
What do we do with the children who have HIV/AIDS?

False Prophet
01-29-2010, 09:45 AM
In Australia there seems to be a culture of people who feel that everything is owed to them and they do not have to take any responsiblity for their actions. These people are a strain on society. I would like to see these people lined up and obliterated.

Australia proves that locking criminals up on an island and isolating them doesn't work, it just cultivates a society of idiots.

I agree with shangs, to an extent, just not genocidal. I feel that everyone with a deadly communicable disease should have to register with the CDC (Center for Disease Control), or have a global organization set up. Have the system work like the sex offender system, basically a catalog of diseased people (lol) which will allow the general public to know who has which diseases or whatever. Blood samples should also be taken so that research can start immediately and look for cures or reversals. It would be a huge undertaking, and would create many jobs and help to keep an eye on the rate at which diseases grow and spread.

keyboards
01-29-2010, 09:55 AM
Making people register in some database will just make the illness/disease a taboo. Once it becomes a taboo, people will turn their shoulders to it at a far rapid rate than they do now. The huge sum of money that will be needed to implement such a display of privacy. ethical, and moral invasion could in fact be used to research these medical complexions...and thus....attacking the problem at its source...and not the victim.

Shangri-LIE
01-29-2010, 11:01 AM
False Prophet - That poises itself as a more diplomatic, and human solution. That could be something that all of us could write to our leaders, and office holders about. Either that or pump the Blogosphere so full of it, that it will gain media attention.

Keyboards - If people are going to be wreckless, and don't take the appropriate precautions to prevent spreading diseases like AIDS, then there should be some sort of consequence. Whether it is them having to register with the CDC, and enter a public datanase, OR opting to be euthanized instead of dying a horrible death, and possibly spreading it to others. Either accidentally, or intentionally, it can no longer be a risk we are willing to take.

keyboards
01-29-2010, 11:14 AM
You almost make [insert disease you're referring to here] sound like an apocalyptic or pandemic event. So let's say a child got AIDS or HIV from someone, then that child grows up to an adult, how do you suppose we treat that person? Do we assume that he/she got infected by reasonably her/his own will? It seems like this comic book plan to quarantine people with AIDS will start off by gathering every adult who has it..and like I just said, why should we treat them all as if they were to be blamed? By the same token, how will we separate the "innocent" from the "guilty" of "willingly" obtaining AIDS? I've met people with AIDS that live a really healthy life, in fact, this one guy I met had a far better life, looks, and health than I did. By comparison, he was contributing more to this world than I was.

There are far greater risks that we can no longer take, like: childhood obesity...or simply...obesity in general. Two thirds of the United States is FAT. We are getting fatter by the minute and it seems like we're totally fine with it. Why don't we quarantine the Fat from this country before they start spreading their unhealthy habits like terrible consumption of food?

Dronepool
01-29-2010, 11:37 AM
Although I understand your reasoning, I have to disagree because that's just too cruel.

Shangri-LIE
01-29-2010, 11:49 AM
You almost make [insert disease you're referring to here] sound like an apocalyptic or pandemic event. So let's say a child got AIDS or HIV from someone, then that child grows up to an adult, how do you suppose we treat that person? Do we assume that he/she got infected by reasonably her/his own will? It seems like this comic book plan to quarantine people with AIDS will start off by gathering every adult who has it..and like I just said, why should we treat them all as if they were to be blamed? By the same token, how will we separate the "innocent" from the "guilty" of "willingly" obtaining AIDS? I've met people with AIDS that live a really healthy life, in fact, this one guy I met had a far better life, looks, and health than I did. By comparison, he was contributing more to this world than I was.

There are far greater risks that we can no longer take, like: childhood obesity...or simply...obesity in general. Two thirds of the United States is FAT. We are getting fatter by the minute and it seems like we're totally fine with it. Why don't we quarantine the Fat from this country before they start spreading their unhealthy habits like terrible consumption of food?

Again, you raise a good point. A few actually. As far as obesity go's, it all cannot be attributed to food consumption. A lot of people gain weight from medical conditions, such as diabetes, or from medication they are taking. The most we can do with those individuals is educate them. The over eaters that is. After all, obesity isn't communicable. Well, I guess it is a trait that can be passed along by genes. As far as A.I.D.S., it is a pandemic. Moreso than H1N1 which has everyone TERRIFIED. I know what I proposed does seem like a Hollywood scenario. But, after reading what False Prophet had to add, I think that is more practical than "exterminating" them. Having their privacy invaded is a lot more ethical than having them put into proverbial death camps. They should have to register with the CDC, and be put on a public national registry.
I don't see that as cruel. The public has the right to know who they are interacting with. Not that they should be ostracized, and made to wear a "Scarlette Letter" so to speak, but if you develope a relationship with someone who has this disease, it would be a helpful tool in finding out what you could potentially be exposed to.

It is true, there are a majority of people who don't know that they've been infected. However, there is another majority that fail to inform people that they either are intimate with, or use with. There are also people who use it as a weapon. I remember one case, I can't cite it specifically right now, where a guy was given a life sentence for purposley infecting women with H.I.V.

So, the registry idea...really isn't that bad. Are some people going to feel as though it is an obtrusive measure, and that they are somehow "inconvenienced." Well, if that is so, then so be it. The welfare of the greated public superceeds any sort of malcontent that someone with that condition may feel.

CellarOwl
01-29-2010, 12:11 PM
Only quasi-related, but honest question: when given the choice, why do so many people talk about how wrong and what a disaster an Orwellian dystopia would be like they were fucking Guy Montag or Tom Morello or V or some shit, although if the world was left to their control, they'd admittedly do much of the same?

Shangri-LIE
01-29-2010, 12:19 PM
Only quasi-related, but honest question: when given the choice, why do so many people talk about how wrong and what a disaster an Orwellian dystopia would be like they were fucking Guy Montag or Tom Morello or V or some shit, although if the world was left to their control, they'd admittedly do much of the same?

That's a good question. I think that everyone wants complete control. Not nessecarily taking over the world. However, I think it all boils down to everyone wanting things their way, and not wanting to be oppressed, or controlled by someone elses precepts and beliefs. Though I think that what we're discussing, but I think it varies a good deal from an Orwellian dystopia. I may re-think this, or change my opinion. But that is my response for now. Thanks for your input.

Dronepool
01-29-2010, 12:23 PM
Yeah, it is weird how many people seem to show compassion but when push comes to shove, they usually go crazy with their power and enforce their extreme ideas because it's 'logical' and "for the better" to them.

I mean, I know just because I think it's good doesn't mean everybody should face my righteous wraith for the future. I don't want power like that, but I'd like to think that I would try to make an actual positive thing like getting the government donate money to places that need them, like hospitals and schools and shit like that. Because when I see news on hospitals and schools being closed I think to myself why can't any of these rich fucks give some money? it won't really make them go broke and it'll show that they actually care, you know?


ect.. ect.

CellarOwl
01-29-2010, 12:41 PM
That's a good question. I think that everyone wants complete control. Not nessecarily taking over the world. However, I think it all boils down to everyone wanting things their way, and not wanting to be oppressed, or controlled by someone elses precepts and beliefs. Though I think that what we're discussing, but I think it varies a good deal from an Orwellian dystopia. I may re-think this, or change my opinion. But that is my response for now. Thanks for your input.

That is the definition of a sociopath, ie don't oppress my oppression. Explain how it varies though.

Shangri-LIE
01-29-2010, 01:05 PM
Dronepool - Good point about the hospitals and schools. I am for heavy taxation on higher income individuals. Stop giving them bailouts, and excessive tax credits. Start forcing them to contribute to the community. Now I know that borders on socialism, equal distribution of wealth etc... but as a society we ALL need to contribute to provide adequete medical care, education, and living conditions for one another, unless you are physically or mentally unable to do so.
But I don't want to deviate from the original topic at hand.

CellarOwl - How does it vary? This is just my opinion, but I think it varies because I don't see what we're discussing as a complete factious control. We're not delving into absolute totalitarianism. It's merely an idea that is open for debate, and consideration. Not one that should, because I think so, or someone else thinks so, should be put into effect.

The Empirical Guy
02-08-2010, 05:37 AM
I also feel that those who pose a greater threat to the public are stupid people. In Australia there seems to be a culture of people who feel that everything is owed to them and they do not have to take any responsiblity for their actions. These people are a strain on society. I would like to see these people lined up and obliterated.

This.

Until you spend some time here down under, you cannot truly comprehend the cancer in the human gene pool that is the Australian Bogan. The time for using the scalpel to remove this cancer has passed. Bring forth the torch!

P.S. +1 internets for any one who gets the geek reference.

ImNotJesus
02-08-2010, 06:19 AM
You're all fucking retarded, in the nicest possible way.

Dysmorphia
02-08-2010, 07:08 PM
This.

The time for using the scalpel to remove this cancer has passed. Bring forth the torch!

P.S. +1 internets for any one who gets the geek reference.

I am pretty sure that that's a Warhammer quote. :P

Mictlancihuatl
02-08-2010, 08:50 PM
- If people are going to be wreckless, and don't take the appropriate precautions to prevent spreading diseases like AIDS, then there should be some sort of consequence. Whether it is them having to register with the CDC, and enter a public datanase, OR opting to be euthanized instead of dying a horrible death, and possibly spreading it to others. Either accidentally, or intentionally, it can no longer be a risk we are willing to take.
Let's start with all the drug abusers first, shall we?

Dysmorphia
02-08-2010, 09:52 PM
^I would like to give drug abusers the opportunity to change. If they don't I would refuse to hospitalise those with over-doses or health problems caused with by their substance abuse.

Mictlancihuatl
02-08-2010, 10:01 PM
^I would like to give drug abusers the opportunity to change. If they don't I would refuse to hospitalise those with over-doses or health problems caused with by their substance abuse.

I just think it's highly hypocritical and blind for a drug abuser to want to kill people with viral diseases. ;)

Dysmorphia
02-08-2010, 10:23 PM
I just think it's highly hypocritical and blind for a drug abuser to want to kill people with viral diseases. ;)

I don't understand what you are getting at. What I was saying was that I would not waste resources on people who were sick/injured by their own accord, in this case substance abusers.

ImNotJesus
02-09-2010, 12:48 AM
^^^ I'm sorry, but I'm really curious as to how many of you people are actually being serious or not.

Not a single person has given ANY kind of rational, sane arugment for such extreme and to be honest, inherently evil means of removing disease. Forgive the Godwin's law, but the fucking Nazis more-or-less tried what you're all suggesting, with the sick, poorly and disabled.

EDIT: Also, there ARE consequences and laws regarding people who knowingly or recklessly spread disease, especially H.I.V.

Dysmorphia
02-09-2010, 01:10 AM
^^^ I'm sorry, but I'm really curious as to how many of you people are actually being serious or not.

Not a single person has given ANY kind of rational, sane arugment for such extreme and to be honest, inherently evil means of removing disease. Forgive the Godwin's law, but the fucking Nazis more-or-less tried what you're all suggesting, with the sick, poorly and disabled.

EDIT: Also, there ARE consequences and laws regarding people who knowingly or recklessly spread disease, especially H.I.V.

What I am suggesting is for the greater good of humanity. Disease is natural- there is no way of 'cleansing' the species of it. I would never wish harm upon anyone for being born with a disease or being unfortunate enough to catch one. I propose purpose and people putting into society instead of just taking from it. As mentioned previously my approach would be to exterminate anyone who could not or would not make a positive contribution to society.

ImNotJesus
02-09-2010, 02:28 AM
Who deems what is positive and what is not? Sure, there is base morality here and there for a point of reference...but what is good to some is bad to others, and so on.

EDIT: And lets not forget we are talking about murder, not 'culling' or preservation, M U R D E R. There is no excuse.

Mictlancihuatl
02-09-2010, 02:47 AM
I don't understand what you are getting at. What I was saying was that I would not waste resources on people who were sick/injured by their own accord, in this case substance abusers.

I was getting at Shangs. He's a drug abuser and he wants to kill people who are a leech on society. I suggested if that's truly so he start with himself.

False Prophet
02-09-2010, 12:31 PM
Who deems what is positive and what is not?
Government officials, terrorists, religion, science...
Humanity DOES have the right to judge itself. Who else is there to judge us anyways. Only we can decide what is 'best' for us, and it is ALL based on opinions and perspectives.


I was getting at Shangs. He's a drug abuser and he wants to kill people who are a leech on society. I suggested if that's truly so he start with himself.

So you don't get shangs, thats forgivable, but your way too serious for your own good.
Also, how are drug users and people with deadly communicable diseases the same in the least? It isn't like I'm forced to be stoned every day, I just choose to be. I don't have that option if some bitch didn't tell me she had AIDS before she fucked me and gave it to me, weather she knew she had it or not.

Now if your talking about people that use items such as hypodermic needles to partake in their drugs of choice, and one of the druggies im sharing a needle with has hepatitis...well fuck, i WANT to know. And i have the RIGHT to know if someone I'm coming in contact with CAN bring harm to me, even without their knowledge or desire.

Ada Veen
02-09-2010, 01:56 PM
I am with Im not Jesus in this discussion. I didn't think Shangs was entirely serious with his suggestions, he's just provocative for the sake of being provocative, but if he is serious... well then he's just a nazi, really. And since everyone mentions AIDS as an example - there are only a number of ways through wich this desease is being transmitted and it is entirely in your own hands to avoid those risks. Wear a condom. Or don't fuck at all. you CAN protect yourself from H.I.V. by making your own choice whether to risk or not. AIDS isn't transmitted through air, so you can't get it by someone sneezing on you, which means there is no need isolating the people with h.i.v or aids. I thought this is something that everyone knows. On the other hand, a lot of other deseases that are transmittable by air/water'food etc, can be deady unless treated appropriately. So should we also terminate everyone with angina or flu? That actually would make more sense than terminating h.i.v deseased. But this is all simply INHUMANE, there isn't much else i can add. If society as a whole starts acting this way, the consequencies will be more dangerous and devastating for society than having deseased people walking freely on the streets. Yes, humanity does have the right to judge itself, but the judgement better be wise and reasonable. That's the whole point, I think

That being said, i support the idea of encouraging people with deadly transmittable deseases to report about their cases, the course of the desease, where they got it from, in order to contribute to research and stopping the spreading of the desease. But only a totalitarian society will make such thing obligatory. How do you think it should be done, technically? Put a stencil on their foreheads that says *AIDS*? As someone mentioned before, there are concequencies for knowingly spreaqding AIDS, so I think this should be enough.

And forgive my bad English, i only just woke up and my brain is a bit slow. Though I was so upset with all you nazis being so inhumane and cruel... I had to reply. :)

Mictlancihuatl
02-09-2010, 02:07 PM
So you don't get shangs, thats forgivable, but your way too serious for your own good.
blah blah

I get Shangs. I've known his posts for the last 5 years. I realize he posts like he shits..without thought and hopes when he looks in the toilet there is a pretty turd. I also know he's very entertaining and we all love him. But someone has to put his drug addled body in it's place. And since no one will..that's my entertainment while I am here. He wants to be entertaining. He succeeds for me.

False Prophet
02-09-2010, 02:20 PM
OK Ada Veen, other than shangs, who the fuck said anything about death or quarantine.

Learn to read.

Sex offenders are allowed to live their lives, but they stay registered on an online database that is accessible by anyone that wants to see. So why can't the same be done for diseases...hell we have twitter and facebook and want everyone in our business already, so why do people have to hide their diseases? I mean hell, if there is nothing to worry about with them having a disease, then why is it such a big deal that when people go get their physicals yearly that they also have blood and sti tests to check for the disease. If they have nothing, then no worries, if they have a harmful communicable disease, then they are informed and so is the CDC, at which point they are put on public record.

For anyone too stupid to understand the importance of disease control, go look back in history and see the role disease has played on it. Hell, just look at the Europeans finding and coming to the Americas, brining hundreds of new diseases with them, killing the natives that didn't even know what was killing them.

This isn't about sti's alone either, and even if it was, there is no method is 100%, not even the magical condom...its just latex, unless your allergic, that prevents transmission of disease.

Hell, if I had something, I feel that people have the right to know. We live in a society full of secrets and lies, and well, just look how good that is working for us.
Maybe it is time for change.

Stop being so intolerant of ideas. (to the 'open-minded' people, hahaha...right.)

Mictlancihuatl
02-09-2010, 02:25 PM
False Prophet, people hide diseases for a number of reasons. Ever try to get health insurance?

False Prophet
02-09-2010, 02:28 PM
But someone has to put his drug addled body in it's place. And since no one will..that's my entertainment while I am here.

So Shangs can't form opinions and put the 'diseased bodies in their place'? What, you are entertained by being a hypocrite?

Just saying... ;)

False Prophet
02-09-2010, 02:31 PM
False Prophet, people hide diseases for a number of reasons. Ever try to get health insurance?

Another place where society has failed. Your talking about health care and insurance....two of the biggest jokes I have heard of in modern society. Why can we only help others when there is something monetary in it for us?

Mictlancihuatl
02-09-2010, 02:35 PM
So Shangs can't form opinions and put the 'diseased bodies in their place'? What, you are entertained by being a hypocrite?

Just saying... ;)
I am saying Shangs makes a lot of posts that scream LOOK AT ME. IE His rehab post.
I am saying I've seen Shangs posts these types of post for five long years.
I am saying he's entertaining.

I don't see how I am being a hypocrite. Maybe you should look up that big word.


Another place where society has failed. Your talking about health care and insurance....two of the biggest jokes I have heard of in modern society. Why can we only help others when there is something monetary in it for us?
Oh I completely agree. But you asked why would people need to hide their disease. This is a perfect reason.

False Prophet
02-09-2010, 02:39 PM
Well why not go do it privately if you don't want him to get all that attention he loves? You are giving him exactly what he wants. And after 5 years too.


It isn't a perfect reason, nothing is perfect. Our system is flawed, so what is wrong with having new ideas to make change? You talk like there is no hope so lets just give up and act like sheep, herded by more sheep.

Shangs may have been a bit out there with what he says, but to be noticed in today's society, you need to be. It is the radical ideas that bring forward change. Radical doesn't work though, so we work on it, bring it down to a middle ground, and work from there. Things do not have to be all or nothing, or have we as a society forgotten what compromise is?

Mictlancihuatl
02-09-2010, 02:49 PM
Well why not go do it privately if you don't want him to get all that attention he loves? You are giving him exactly what he wants. And after 5 years too.
Because I like playing with my toys in public.


Ok. So taking your ideas of radical thinking seriously....
Shangs stated along with people with viral diseases, those who are incurable should also be killed.

So why would we go around killing people with Huntington's or cancer. Or those with bi polar (as in myself) or those with heart disease (myself included) I should be killed because I have two 'incurable diseases' That sorta bothers me. Just a tad. I'd like to kill idiots too. But I can't. Or else who would be here to post?

False Prophet
02-09-2010, 02:56 PM
Do you and Ada both not know how to read?


Australia proves that locking criminals up on an island and isolating them doesn't work, it just cultivates a society of idiots.

I agree with shangs, to an extent, just not genocidal. I feel that everyone with a deadly communicable disease should have to register with the CDC (Center for Disease Control), or have a global organization set up. Have the system work like the sex offender system, basically a catalog of diseased people (lol) which will allow the general public to know who has which diseases or whatever. Blood samples should also be taken so that research can start immediately and look for cures or reversals. It would be a huge undertaking, and would create many jobs and help to keep an eye on the rate at which diseases grow and spread.

I NEVER said anything about killing, or is genocidal too big of a word to understand? Now however, I do think a refresher on how to read is in order.

21Faces
02-09-2010, 04:52 PM
holee-fucking shit. I read the first post in this thread and wrote it off as stupid. I didn't actually think it would end up so entertaining. Are we seriously having this conversation, people?

We, as a society, do not quarantine and euthanize sick people, the disabled, those with communicable diseases, drug addicts, or "unproductive" members of society- we don't make LISTS of those types, either. Jesus Christ. I was having this discussion earlier with a friend of mine- how scary it is that we are moving into an era where all individuals who lived in Nazi era Germany, and more specifically Holocaust survivors, are dead. Because WWII pretty much closed the book on this one. I'm all for spirited exchanges and Devil's advocates, but what the fuck is this? High School speech and debate club? C'mon, kids...

I would go into things a little further, but I don't really want to indulge such a ridiculous "discussion." Anyone who needs this explained to them should just... remove themselves from society.

voluntarily, of course.

Dysmorphia
02-09-2010, 05:00 PM
Because I like playing with my toys in public.
So why would we go around killing people with Huntington's or cancer. Or those with bi polar (as in myself) or those with heart disease (myself included) I should be killed because I have two 'incurable diseases' That sorta bothers me. Just a tad. I'd like to kill idiots too. But I can't. Or else who would be here to post?

What Shangri-LIE suggested when he started this thread was to exterminate those with viral diseases to protect the rest of humanity. I disagree with this unless the disease is so debilitating that it would be cruel to keep them alive. False Prophet's response is a sensible approach to help support those with a "deadly communicable disease" and also protect the rest of the population, however difficult to implement.



I am with Im not Jesus in this discussion. I didn't think Shangs was entirely serious with his suggestions, he's just provocative for the sake of being provocative, but if he is serious... well then he's just a nazi, really. And since everyone mentions AIDS as an example - there are only a number of ways through wich this desease is being transmitted and it is entirely in your own hands to avoid those risks. Wear a condom. Or don't fuck at all. you CAN protect yourself from H.I.V. by making your own choice whether to risk or not. AIDS isn't transmitted through air, so you can't get it by someone sneezing on you, which means there is no need isolating the people with h.i.v or aids. I thought this is something that everyone knows. On the other hand, a lot of other deseases that are transmittable by air/water'food etc, can be deady unless treated appropriately. So should we also terminate everyone with angina or flu? That actually would make more sense than terminating h.i.v deseased. But this is all simply INHUMANE, there isn't much else i can add. If society as a whole starts acting this way, the consequencies will be more dangerous and devastating for society than having deseased people walking freely on the streets. Yes, humanity does have the right to judge itself, but the judgement better be wise and reasonable. That's the whole point, I think

That being said, i support the idea of encouraging people with deadly transmittable deseases to report about their cases, the course of the desease, where they got it from, in order to contribute to research and stopping the spreading of the desease. But only a totalitarian society will make such thing obligatory. How do you think it should be done, technically? Put a stencil on their foreheads that says *AIDS*? As someone mentioned before, there are concequencies for knowingly spreaqding AIDS, so I think this should be enough.

And forgive my bad English, i only just woke up and my brain is a bit slow. Though I was so upset with all you nazis being so inhumane and cruel... I had to reply. :)

Ada Veen, I have the same opinion when it comes to the arguments you raise regarding the spread of AIDS. Nevertheless, I feel that implying that some responders are Nazis for their stance on the issue was uncalled for. What people consider to be “humane” differs from person to person, what you may find cruel may be seen as an appropriate measure for another person.

False Prophet
02-09-2010, 06:12 PM
holee-fucking shit. I read the first post in this thread and wrote it off as stupid. I didn't actually think it would end up so entertaining. Are we seriously having this conversation, people?

We, as a society, do not quarantine and euthanize sick people, the disabled, those with communicable diseases, drug addicts, or "unproductive" members of society- we don't make LISTS of those types, either. Jesus Christ. I was having this discussion earlier with a friend of mine- how scary it is that we are moving into an era where all individuals who lived in Nazi era Germany, and more specifically Holocaust survivors, are dead. Because WWII pretty much closed the book on this one. I'm all for spirited exchanges and Devil's advocates, but what the fuck is this? High School speech and debate club? C'mon, kids...

I would go into things a little further, but I don't really want to indulge such a ridiculous "discussion." Anyone who needs this explained to them should just... remove themselves from society.

voluntarily, of course.

I assume this is still Jihad.

Anyways, I feel all discussion is important, especially in todays society. The lack of radical thoughts and ideas to push the boundaries of the mind are lacking. We need to start thinking of future problems and dealing with them before they happen.

Now I feel the initial post is a bit off the mark. Ok, quite off the mark. It is too too aggressive and in-humane. However, how humane is it to let humans continue (knowingly and unknowingly) transmit deadly diseases between each other on a daily basis?

ThreeEyedGod
02-10-2010, 02:35 AM
I think the gays should be quarantined and exterminated as well since HIV is a gay disease.

Dysmorphia
02-10-2010, 03:31 AM
I think the gays should be quarantined and exterminated as well since HIV is a gay disease.

Are you seriously suggesting that or was that a pathetic attempt at humour?

ImNotJesus
02-10-2010, 07:19 AM
^Lol, okay i think that was the latter m'dear. Even I, with my many objections to this thread, found it funny :)

Dysmorphia
02-10-2010, 01:52 PM
^It has been rather amusing. :P

The Empirical Guy
02-11-2010, 12:47 AM
I am pretty sure that that's a Warhammer quote. :P

More detail needed to win the prize.


^^^ I'm sorry, but I'm really curious as to how many of you people are actually being serious or not.

Not a single person has given ANY kind of rational, sane arugment for such extreme and to be honest, inherently evil means of removing disease. Forgive the Godwin's law, but the fucking Nazis more-or-less tried what you're all suggesting, with the sick, poorly and disabled.

Godwin's law is forgivable, but the fact remains you still went there :p. Anyway, the Nazi's didn't "more or less try" it, they were doing it. The only reason they stopped is that whole losing the war thing. We're not talking about the old, the sick and the Jewish though. What me and Dysmorphia have suggested is in regards to people making a contribution to society. Who judges that? One can argue it's subjective, but I'm quite certain I see people everyday who have no real contribution and without whom things would continue on pretty much the same without any one noticing. A human life is a valuable thing and surely not to be wasted, but there are many people who are doing just that with their very own. The problem with that is that they then turn in to leeches, sucking off of the rest of humanity while giving nothing in return.

ThreeEyedGod
02-11-2010, 10:14 AM
Are you seriously suggesting that or was that a pathetic attempt at humour?Calm down...It was obviously a joke...





jeez

Shangri-LIE
02-13-2010, 11:59 AM
Burn all wooden sods.

Dysmorphia
02-14-2010, 07:05 PM
Calm down...It was obviously a joke...





jeez
I meant it in a sarcastic way- unfortunately there is quite a bit of leeway with tone on writen responses.:)
Anyway, I have enjoyed this conversation- I like to discuss topics such as these and find out other people's opinions.