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S.D.
11-07-2009, 08:21 AM
Most will have noted or read connections between David Bowie and Marilyn Manson over the years, it's definitely one of the cultural comparisons that sort of goes without saying, in either case if Manson wasn't so fond of stating that Bowie is his hero, they represent much the same thing as musical contemporaries, chameleons who represent an amalgamation of the entertainment and society that produces them. Here is a collection of image comparisons I have made in the past, having them all in one place makes sense, rather than spread across topics
Below is David Bowie on the cover for Aladdin Sane [1972], and Marilyn Manson on the cover for Mechanical Animals [1998]. The thematics of Bowie's 1970s output (in specific The Man Who Sold The World, Ziggy Stardust and Aladdin Sane) were notable for its influence on Mechanical Animals, though not by any means restricted to that album. Ziggy Stardust is mentioned in Manson's Autobiography alongside Scary Monsters also, and there have been countless lyrical or referential nods to Bowie over the years:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eyes.jpg


Also, another circa '73 image of Bowie, and Manson as shot by Joseph Cultice in early preliminary shots for Mechanical Animals, eyepatch noted in both:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Patch.jpg

Marilyn Manson during Mechanical Animals and David Bowie circa '73:-



http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/BowieManson.gif

"Cat People":-





http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/catpeople.jpg

Mirror Men:-

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/InsideOut.jpg

Former Marilyn Manson guitarist/bassist Tim Skold and David Bowie (I believe during the Serious Moonlight tour, but I forget, I will remember to have a look):-

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/thinwhite.jpg (http://s403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/?action=view&current=thinwhite.jpg)

LEFT: David Bowie's logo from the Diamond Dogs era.
RIGHT: The Omega logo as used in Mechanical Animals:-

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/OmegaBowie.jpg
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Something relatively new, though familiar subject matter...
David Bowie's Hours, released in 1999, the year after Mechanical Animals, features artwork that bears some resemblance to the former album, which in itself was cited as a knowing tribute to various parts of Bowie's earlier career. There are numerous visual similarities between the booklet of Hours and Mechanical Animals, right down to the use of numbers to replace letters in words, as we see the artist and title written thusly within:-


D 6 V 1 D B 0 W 1 3 - 4 0 U R 5


The panel squares, white walls, electronic imagery, multicoloured bar-coding designs and use of minimalist blank spaces and reclining chairs in the booklet bears stark resemblance to Mechanical Animals, so I implore all fans of the album to seek out Hours if you don't already have it, and look for these comparisons. Also, what is interesting is the use of blackletter font on the cover and spine of Hours. I can't find an image of the spine, but perhaps someone can, as it has Bowie's entire name written in blackletter, and on the cover 'David' is the same. Here is a text comparison:-



http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Hours.jpg



One could presume that perhaps if Bowie felt like a nod towards Manson in the creation of an album released the year following Mechanical Animals, then Manson perhaps noted this in the choice of typography for Holy Wood, despite it being related to other sources.
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http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Shrouded.jpg
LEFT: David Bowie, in character for the album artwork to Outside [1995]
RIGHT: Marilyn Manson is Omega/Osiris for a Mechanical Animals era photoshoot

-<me>-
11-22-2009, 01:01 AM
[g]s and I have been watching a few movies together lately...
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w307/picatya/themanwhofelltoearth.jpg
Bowie - The Man Who Fell To Earth
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3527/4076830429_cc81f4f0af_o.jpg

S.D.
11-22-2009, 08:52 AM
The Man Who Fell To Earth comparison is excellent, and well placed, given that Bowie's album Low used Bowie's visage as Thomas Jerome Newton for its cover:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/LowEarth.jpg


The front cover is also a pun; he is in profile, and therefore keeping a "Low Profile", as he was when he went to Switzerland to record the album. You'll perhaps also recall, -< me >-, our discourse last year at The Heirophant, prior to the release of The High End Of Low, concerning former vertically opposed references in Manson's work; namely your identification of the "Low Art Gloominati", and their wearing lawsuits to get "high, high, high", and my reflection on The Dope Show:-


"There's lots of pretty, pretty ones, that want to get you high,
But all the pretty, pretty ones, will leave you low, and blow your mind"


For those who have not seen the film, it should then be noted that The Man Who Fell To Earth was one of the main visual inspirations, along with Bowie's albums The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars (note the high and low once more) and Aladdin Sane, for The Dope Show video. Of course, a man falling to earth implies both a high, then a low also, much the same as Manson is "fallen from grace" in I Have To Look Up Just To See Hell, which yet again, describes glancing above to see what is below.

Anima XI
11-23-2009, 11:08 AM
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/LowEarth.jpg


http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8684/192tg.jpg

^_^

AlcoholicArtist
11-25-2009, 12:03 PM
[g]s and I have been watching a few movies together lately...
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w307/picatya/themanwhofelltoearth.jpg
Bowie - The Man Who Fell To Earth
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3527/4076830429_cc81f4f0af_o.jpg
:O Great find I haven't seen the film myself so if you don't mind me asking, what is happening at that point when he's looking in the mirror? Are there any further links between the two?</me>

S.D.
02-17-2010, 10:19 AM
I remember this seeming a nice comparison at the time it was revealed Twiggy would be re-joining Marilyn Manson in 2008. The image from that initial news piece on the left, and on the right the cover of David Bowie's Pin Ups [1973]. Manson and Bowie each sport a look of confusion, with a "Twiggy" on either shoulder:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./MansonPinUps.jpg


Obviously by name alone the record title inspires thoughts of Manson; Marilyn Monroe was a pin-up model in her early career. The "mask" like makeup on the faces of Bowie and Twiggy on the sleeve is also very similar to this Mechanical Animals era photograph, particularly the "blank stare" on Manson's face and the partial baring of skin on his upper body, and the spread of dark red hair at the base of the neck:-


http://www.providermodule.com/gallery/gallery_temp/ma/promo/full/image014.jpg


Also, another comparison with imagery from The Man Who Fell To Earth:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./MenWhoFell.jpg

The Empirical Guy
02-17-2010, 10:44 PM
The link between The Man Who Fell To Earth and Running... is excellent. Nice find.

Peaches
02-18-2010, 01:07 PM
I'm going to be watching "The Man Who Fell to Earth tonight in a THEATRE! I'm excited, because not only have I never seen it before, I get to see it on the big screen...It's a part of this months film selection for the movie club I'm in.

It's all I've been able to think about all week haha. I'm so excited!! After the movie is over I'll probably get back on here and spout on and on about how amazing it was....'Cause I know it will be. David Bowie is in it, which makes it good no matter what. Duh.

Anyways, I digress. I've always loved seeing and finding the little comparisons between Manson and Bowie, and I'm happy a thread was finally made about it. Hurrah!

spaceSuicide
02-18-2010, 01:45 PM
The attire worn by the two is often elegant, whether or not Bowie is himself or not.


Jareth, The Goblin King circa 1986

http://www.morethings.com/music/david_bowie/david-bowie-138.jpg

Marilyn Manson, circa 2007

http://www.providermodule.com/gallery/gallery_temp/emdm/promo/full/image009.jpg

S.D.
04-27-2010, 04:43 PM
You know, it seems almost painfully obvious, and perhaps a little late as an observation, but an epiphany of childhood struck me square in the face this evening, an observed detail I had entirely forgotten about until now. I thought it would be worth sharing, as I'm certain it was entirely deliberate, no matter how relatively simple it might be.
The name Omega and the Mechanical Animals I always thought was meant as a deliberate homage to the stage persona of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars, given that Bowie's record and band adopted an alter-ego to further the alien nature of the performance, and similarly, Manson and band were the alien 'Omega', and his Mechanical Animals (multifaceted reference).
With that in mind, here's what I noticed as a young S.D., the Omega and Ziggy logos both have stars included as part of their design:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./OmegaStardust.png


I know, I said it was simple, but the stars fall over the top layer of Ziggy's logo as the two stars are used as points on the I's of Mechanical Animals. I remember comparing the two records in '98 and thinking this was a deliberate use of the emblem. The Omega logo is close in design to a good number of "futuristic" Seventies typographies that subsequently looked very 'of-their-time' in retrospect. This I also feel to be deliberate.
It's by no means exactly the same, but I think there is a slight resemblance to the typography for the aforementioned Low by Bowie.


http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9772/bowielow.jpg



Incidentally, thoughts on the relationship between Low, Bowie, and Manson's The High End Of Low can be found in the corresponding topic - The High End Of Low (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php?1301-The-High-End-Of-Low) - but I also suppose that the full title The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars reflects that disparity between High and Low.

Some thoughts, by no means correct or incorrect.

ThreeEyedGod
04-27-2010, 10:09 PM
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Hours.jpg



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Both images are also using Christ imagery: Compare Michelangelo's " La Pieta"(The Pity) to the David Bowie cover-
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/RatMessiah/pieta-michelangelo.jpg



Of course, the roles are reversed: Marilyn Manson being portrayed as the martyr on his album cover, while Bowie is portrayed in the role of Mary, the "Divine Mother" while clutching the Christ figure. I have not heard Bowie's " Hours" album, but would be interesting to see if the imagery lends itself to the music as much as Manson's did to Holy Wood.

S.D.
04-28-2010, 03:43 AM
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/view-source:http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Hours.jpg)/Hours.jpg (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/view-source:http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Hours.jpg)

Both images are also using Christ imagery: Compare Michelangelo's " La Pieta"(The Pity) to the David Bowie cover-

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/RatMessiah/pieta-michelangelo.jpg (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/view-source:http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/RatMessiah/pieta-michelangelo.jpg)


Of course, the roles are reversed: Marilyn Manson being portrayed as the martyr on his album cover, while Bowie is portrayed in the role of Mary, the "Divine Mother" while clutching the Christ figure.

This is excellent, thank you for the thoughts.

I know Oedepus is not a member here at present (though I often wish he still was), but I remember he spoke to me once about this detail of the Bowie cover, it's very interesting.
Although it's a different religious artwork, it essentially shares the same theme; former Heirophant member and correspondent, simple simonist, once gave this comparison between a Holy Wood era image of Manson and the band, and Enguerrand Quarton's Avignon Pietà:-


http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/1567/aphwql6.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/3949/avignon1455tf9.jpg


It's interesting, and I don't want to go too far off-topic, but before reading that comparison I always perceived the Manson picture to be representative of Lady Liberty, the American flag being the toga she wears, and the "crown" based on the popular image of the Statue Of Liberty:-


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4234/0704.png


Added to that interpretation, and given when the picture was created, I attributed it to the characterisation of America as a female in Diamonds & Pollen. By that token in the latter Manson image and on the Hours cover, both Manson and Bowie are gendered female. It's a shame that Holy Wood image wasn't used for the artwork, or something more substantial actually, it's really powerful, and not oft-circulated.
I think in Visual Parallels Shangri-LIE also compared a version of The Pity with scenes from the Man That You Fear video.






I have not heard Bowie's " Hours" album, but would be interesting to see if the imagery lends itself to the music as much as Manson's did to Holy Wood.It's a really lovely record, certainly not as complex as Holy Wood, but then very few albums are, and it's obviously not meant to be complex in that respect.
Hours does have some religious themes running through it, not overtly, but there are icons of Hell and Angels (The Pretty Things Are Going To Hell and New Angels Of Promise, specifically). There's a song called Seven as well, and 7 is god's number, and I guess that coincidentally reflects the 'It Is Finished When Seven Are One' in Holy Wood. I recommend it, it's one of those overlooked Bowie albums, which I think is a shame.

Ludwig
04-30-2010, 10:45 AM
The Bowie cover for hours is about him leaving his "hanging with the kids, Earthling" image behind, perhaps to mature musically (If I remember correctly hours had a lot to do with age, I think he turned 50 on the Earthling tour).

I don't really know if that gives anyone ideas for further analysis.

Norsefire
05-06-2010, 09:41 AM
I'm sure there was a comparison before with Bowie and Manson with using numbers in their names. Anyway I couldn't find it [I FAIL, lol, it's in the first post, I was looking for an image so I overlooked the text S.D. had written], but what reminded me of it was seeing a poster for the Survive single on ebay.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Bowie_survive1.jpg


I think the artwork itself looks quite MAish.

S.D.
05-06-2010, 12:32 PM
Yes, the Hours artwork is very similar in places to Mechanical Animals, if it wasn't deliberate on Bowie's part it makes for a close comparison either way. I can't scan anything here otherwise I would offer more shots of the booklet to compare, if anyone has the record and wants to provide scans that would be top stuff.
Also, Thursday's Child was one of the singles from Hours, and I think the opening scene to the song's video resembles one of Manson's MySpace pictures a good deal. Not the first "mirror man" link between Bowie and Manson, but it still looks good I think:-


http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7336/dbtc1.png

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/415/mmr1.png

spaceSuicide
05-06-2010, 01:50 PM
Pretty striking and similar looks, setting and colors. ^

S.D.
05-18-2010, 08:08 AM
I thought I had posted this already, but I saw the picture again today, checked here to see if I had and it's not there, so here is a comparison from the EAT ME, DRINK ME era that I believe is deliberate.
This picture of Manson (more Marilyn here I would say) I think is meant to evoke the image of Bowie from the Diamond Dogs gatefold sleeve. Bowie is of course half man/dog, but the pose is very similar:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./MansonDiamondBowie.png


And the original photoshoot Bowie did for the artwork to be created shows further similarity.


http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9271/bowiedogs.jpg


Even though the record sleeve shows Bowie's legs as a dog, in the originals he was lying on his stomach, with black trousers and legs behind, as Manson is.
Diamond Dogs, as many will be aware, was also one of the records Manson cited as influential during the recording process of EAT ME, DRINK ME, and certainly at other points in his career also, especially Antichrist Superstar and Mechanical Animals.

S.D.
08-05-2010, 02:11 AM
It's a bit of a crossover from the Aleister Crowley Mechanical Animals topic I authored yesterday, but I similarly thought this might be of interest. If the red triangle on Manson's forehead during this time was indeed supposed to reflect either the Eye Of Providence, or Egyptology/Mysticism in general, then it's conducive with similar makeup used by David Bowie during his "Alien" tenure. Bowie purposely wore a shimmering circular design on his forehead, meant to represent an Astral portal, similar to a Bhindi.
Observe the two when compared:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./bowie_astral_portal.jpg

http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./ProvidenceManson.png


As ever, it couldn't be confirmed by anyone else but Manson, but I'd be pleased if this was part of his intent, as these designs on either artist always reminded me of one another.
In either case the Bhindi is a "Third Eye" of sorts, as is the Eye Of Providence, either emblem meant as a gateway to higher knowledge, spirituality, or connection with a deity.

S.D.
11-11-2010, 03:45 PM
http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./BowieMansonBlueJean.png

David Bowie, Blue Jean [1984] & Marilyn Manson, Photo By Perou [2010]

Lucille
12-23-2010, 05:04 PM
I found a ridiculous amount of Manson influence (from all over the place) in The Man Who Fell to Earth.

http://images.whitetrashfastfood.com/7pBd7m3zb17BzQSb6_o.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Q4ZolHND2Hc/TMFwdaOPmII/AAAAAAAADIY/qjhC47MKEhc/s1600/The+Man+Who+Fell+to+Earth.jpg
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTYwNDcwMzIyOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwODY3MjU2._V1._ SX420_SY286_.jpg
http://www.vimana.com.br/vimana/spaw2/uploads/GSchoereder/os%20melhores%20e%20os%20piores%20aliens/OHomemQueCaiuNaTerra02.jpg (There's an even better shot of this scene with Bowie spinning around in the chair, which has a lot of influence in the Beautiful People video.)

And the most blatant Bowie influence of all time (check out the diamond dogs in the background):

http://visperasdenada.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/diamond-dogs.jpg

Undeadgrrl
02-23-2011, 11:39 AM
I have always joked that "If you wanted to hear a new David Bowie album, listen to Mechanical animals, lol

alpha2omega
02-23-2011, 10:19 PM
I have always joked that "If you wanted to hear a new David Bowie album, listen to Mechanical animals, lol

heheh :D

The Empirical Guy
06-30-2011, 08:55 AM
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before. It's always struck me as one of those things that was so obvious that I never bothered mentioning it, but saw this thread and thought I would add it for completeness.

In Great Big White World, Manson sings "I wish you were queen, just for today", while Heroes by Bowie contains the lines "I, I will be King, and you, you will be Queen... we could be heroes, just for one day". You can pretty much take that as a safe bet that it's not coincidence.

S.D.
06-30-2011, 09:36 AM
I am unsure if it's been written here before (I don't recall seeing it), but you'll be pleased to know an update to Provider Module I'm in the midst of includes this comparison, although because I'm a sneaky ass, I'm not saying what that update is. But yes, I agree that this similarity was very much intentional on Manson's behalf, especially considering what record that song is on.

S.D.
05-13-2012, 02:54 AM
I love it when I get to update this topic! I knew there was something about the bass at the start of Murderers Are Getting Prettier Every Day, it's a dead ringer for the stabbing guitar chords that kick off Cracked Actor. Compare the two:-



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkEvAvIGK-w

It's likely intentional as well, consider Manson's lyric; "Do you always have to hire actors, to play the devils". Also, when Manson first announced that he'd be writing a new record after The High End Of Low, he said this:-
"We started writing new songs on the road - a bit like [David Bowie's album] Aladdin Sane."
Marilyn Manson, 2009 (http://www.providermodule.com/media/?v=i/2009/mhammer_erw)


Aladdin Sane is the album Cracked Actor features on, for those who didn't know. It's not the first time the song has been referenced either, Manson 'appropriated' its lyrics for Vodevil.

Golden Eel
05-13-2012, 03:02 AM
Yep, it's uncanny.

Crystalarts
06-18-2012, 10:17 PM
The gardener.... Compare to the following lyrics from Bowles "scream like a baby" :

'Now im learning to be part of soc-society'

DrClitoris
06-19-2012, 03:25 AM
Mechanical Animals - Diamond Dogs maybe

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Diamond_dogs.jpg/220px-Diamond_dogs.jpg http://cdn.songonlyrics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Marilyn-Manson-Mechanical-Animals-1998.jpg

brian219
07-13-2012, 09:54 AM
David Bowie is actually the physical incarnation of Satan. Seeing as how Marilyn Manson is the Antichrist, I'd say the connection between the two is quite significant. In a way Bowie is his spiritual Father. In an even more literal way Bowie is his Creator. Him and six others, anyway.

DrClitoris
07-14-2012, 02:07 AM
Bowie created the guy who created the universe and then the universe created Manson, who is god.

brian219
07-16-2012, 08:07 AM
Bowie created the guy who created the universe and then the universe created Manson, who is god.

Incorrect. Bowie is the incarnation of Satan. Satan and the other six devils all used pieces of themselves to create the "beast." Six of these have given over their power to the beast, with Bowie being the only one who hasn't done so. These seven are the beast's seven heads. When he receives the final piece, "It is finished when seven are one." The deadly wound will be healed and Manson will start doing bad, bad things.

A Better Messiah
07-16-2012, 10:41 AM
David Bowie and Marilyn Manson? I see no connection between the two. :|

AssetReign
07-16-2012, 11:03 AM
Everything is connected to Bowie. It's like Six Degrees of Separation from Kevin Bacon.

crowded_morgue
07-26-2012, 10:54 AM
I love it when I get to update this topic! I knew there was something about the bass at the start of Murderers Are Getting Prettier Every Day, it's a dead ringer for the stabbing guitar chords that kick off Cracked Actor. Compare the two:-



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkEvAvIGK-w

It's likely intentional as well, consider Manson's lyric; "Do you always have to hire actors, to play the devils". Also, when Manson first announced that he'd be writing a new record after The High End Of Low, he said this:-
"We started writing new songs on the road - a bit like [David Bowie's album] Aladdin Sane."
Marilyn Manson, 2009 (http://www.providermodule.com/media/?v=i/2009/mhammer_erw)


Aladdin Sane is the album Cracked Actor features on, for those who didn't know. It's not the first time the song has been referenced either, Manson 'appropriated' its lyrics for Vodevil.

When I first read that statement, I immediately looked up Aladdin Sane with fanboy-craze to get some impression of what was going on. On the Wikipedia article for Aladdin Sane, I read of its development: "Bowie himself described Aladdin Sane as simply "Ziggy goes to America", most of the tracks being observations he composed on the road during his 1972 U.S. tour—the reason for the place names following each song title on the original record sleeve." So, that indicated to me that Manson was actually comparing the way he was working on the new material to the way Bowie had once done. And indeed, 'Murderers' is very likely to be one of the earliest songs written for what would become Born Villain, as back in the early days of its production, Manson also said in an interview that they were very inspired musically by their time with Slayer on the road, and I can most definitely hear Slayer influence in 'Murderers.'

But furthermore to the point, and to add to this, Manson has again compared the carrying on of his career to that of Bowie's in the recent interview with Digital Spy, in which he says: "One of my favorite record's is [Bowie's] Scary Monsters, and that was probably, I don't know, eight or ten records in...and to me I'm at this point musically in my Scary Monsters era where it's almost dada," etc.

AssetReign
08-28-2012, 02:23 PM
Where In The World Is David Bowie?

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/6034853/David%2BBowie%2BOutside155.jpg

TMC
09-13-2012, 06:43 AM
I've been listening to David Bowie's "Loving the Alien" today and the background (mostly acoustic guitar) sounds a lot like "The Speed of Pain".

kalim123
09-21-2012, 12:14 PM
I've been listening to David Bowie's "Loving the Alien" today and the background (mostly acoustic guitar) sounds a lot like "The Speed of Pain".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYMCLz5PQVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxI5Vt_KKTI

A Better Messiah
09-26-2012, 05:30 AM
You know, I'm beginning to think that Bowie copied Manson with his whole "Ziggy Stardust" thing. Unbelievable.

kalim123
09-26-2012, 12:17 PM
You know, I'm beginning to think that Bowie copied Manson with his whole "Ziggy Stardust" thing. Unbelievable.
Are you a dumbass? Ziggy Stardust was created before Marilyn Manson was Marilyn Manson. He was a baby back then I believe.

sayyosin
09-26-2012, 01:02 PM
Are you a dumbass? Ziggy Stardust was created before Marilyn Manson was Marilyn Manson. He was a baby back then I believe.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/theblindskater78/thats_the_joke.jpg

A Better Messiah
09-26-2012, 02:40 PM
Are you a dumbass? Ziggy Stardust was created before Marilyn Manson was Marilyn Manson. He was a baby back then I believe.

Time travel. C'mon now. It's common knowledge that Bowie has had access to this science since at least the 60's.

TheTeletubbieFlasher
09-26-2012, 04:02 PM
Are you a dumbass? Ziggy Stardust was created before Marilyn Manson was Marilyn Manson. He was a baby back then I believe.

He was indeed a crack baby back then.

AssetReign
09-26-2012, 05:54 PM
Are you a dumbass? Ziggy Stardust was created before Marilyn Manson was Marilyn Manson. He was a baby back then I believe.

Calm down. It was obviously a joke.

The Empirical Guy
12-30-2012, 09:09 PM
I think the eye lens/ Bowie connection generally goes in the 'too obvious' basket, but as time goes on and newer/ younger fans may not be as familiar with Bowie, it's still worth including.

For those who don't know, David Bowie has mismatched eyes, a result of a blow to the head when he was a teenager.

http://kanbyamadworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/davidbowie00100001.jpg

The use of the contact lens can also be linked to the Islamic equivalent of the Antichrist, as covered on the Nachtkabarett website here (http://www.nachtkabarett.com/theThirdAndFinalBeast/TheAntichrist).

Sans Agendum
12-31-2012, 04:26 PM
I have that too, just not as extreme. Happened after a concussion when I was a kid. Bowie and I may as well be related, yeah?

brian219
12-31-2012, 08:32 PM
I have that too, just not as extreme. Happened after a concussion when I was a kid. Bowie and I may as well be related, yeah?

"Fifteen blows to the back of your head, Fifteen blows to your mind."

majafi
08-01-2014, 09:46 PM
http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10593247_1498395193731049_330871864_n.jpg
Nobody's pointed this out yet

Cringeon
08-02-2014, 07:30 AM
Actually it has, just in a different thread.
http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/6150-Visual-Parallels-various?p=171752&viewfull=1#post171752

kk_15
08-02-2014, 03:29 PM
Thank you Cringeon, your welcome "majafi" with your one post. ;)
Plus, Pogo has been sporting that makeup look since back on the GGG tour too!

shrubberyhorizon
01-04-2015, 09:53 AM
Marilyn Manson - Born Villain (2012) TRACK 13 'Breaking the same old ground' - "I am owned by death and I am in love with oblivion"

David Bowie - The Next Day (2013) TRACK 13 'You feel so lonely you could die' - "Oblivion shall own you. Death alone shall love you"

Bowie's influence on MM is always talked about but rarely MM's influence on Bowie. I found this to be a stronger acknowledgment of his respect for MM than anything he could say in an interview. The lyrics are used at such climactic moments in both of their records. Sorry, if this has been pointed out previously.

Crystalarts
01-04-2015, 07:04 PM
I think the eye lens/ Bowie connection generally goes in the 'too obvious' basket, but as time goes on and newer/ younger fans may not be as familiar with Bowie, it's still worth including.

For those who don't know, David Bowie has mismatched eyes, a result of a blow to the head when he was a teenager.

http://kanbyamadworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/davidbowie00100001.jpg

The use of the contact lens can also be linked to the Islamic equivalent of the Antichrist, as covered on the Nachtkabarett website here (http://www.nachtkabarett.com/theThirdAndFinalBeast/TheAntichrist).

Yes, add it to the NOT too obvious category.... especially amongst Facebook fans. They are the worst. geez. Manson posts something and then you get thousands of people commenting on his post "i love you manson.. number one fan" or "come to (insert country)" or "hi we are so alike, lets talk! message me" etc.

anyway i digress. I had to argue with them on Facebook about the David Bowie Link. Despite wasting my time listing about 25 different reasons why Manson is influenced by David Bowie (alongside pictures etc.) they still thought it was a bit far fetched and that i was grasping... haha. incredible. try to educate the youth of today is not easy ;)

HG131
01-04-2015, 10:24 PM
Marilyn Manson - Born Villain (2012) TRACK 13 'Breaking the same old ground' - "I am owned by death and I am in love with oblivion"

David Bowie - The Next Day (2013) TRACK 13 'You feel so lonely you could die' - "Oblivion shall own you. Death alone shall love you"

Bowie's influence on MM is always talked about but rarely MM's influence on Bowie. I found this to be a stronger acknowledgment of his respect for MM than anything he could say in an interview. The lyrics are used at such climactic moments in both of their records. Sorry, if this has been pointed out previously.

Even more interesting, from that same album, "Valentines Day". It's about school shootings. Nope, it's not a cover of Manson's "Valentines Day", from Holy Wood.

S.D.
11-22-2015, 04:14 AM
David Bowie's various press releases this week have announced that although grammatically and phonetically his new album is called Blackstar, the actual title is simply a symbol, a 'black star'; ★.

I find parallel between this and Manson's track known as Spade, but which is also meant to be a symbol; ♠

TMC
11-22-2015, 03:09 PM
David Bowie's various press releases this week have announced that although grammatically and phonetically his new album is called Blackstar, the actual title is simply a symbol, a 'black star'; ★.

I find parallel between this and Manson's track known as Spade, but which is also meant to be a symbol; ♠

It also reminds me of Prince who at some point changed his name to a symbol.

S.D.
11-22-2015, 08:34 PM
It also reminds me of Prince who at some point changed his name to a symbol.
You know, as I was writing that post, I thought 'should I mention Prince, because he created a symbol that was utterly unique and unseen that represented his entire persona', and I decided against it. But I'm glad you've raised the point because it's valid, and there's an inextricable link between Bowie, Prince, and Manson; not only influentially, but because of what each artist has offered to their respective demographics, which are of course, mutually exclusive for obvious reasons.

HG131
12-07-2015, 08:28 PM
I just noticed that that's a pretty big reference to the Bowie video. I have absolutely no theory in mind about the album and Bowie other than it's his first really Bowie-sized reinvention. But I noticed it and wanted to see if anyone else had any thoughts on it.

Edit: Not sure if people have pointed this out, but I've never seen it mentioned. Apple of Sodom's "I'm dying, I hope you're dying too" is definitely an Ashes to Ashes reference. The lyric "I'm happy, I hope you're happy too" is said in a very similar way, and the differences are quite clearly from Manson's accent and Bowie's accent as well as singing.

Edit: Blackstar. Have you seen that video? Something tells me they're actually pretty good friends, just not public besties like Johnny Depp and Manson. I've been trying for days and I barely understand the meaning. The plot? Yeah, that you kinda figure out, but what it all means? No idea. One person had a theory it's about Bowie wanting to change and innovate while people worship his past and I guess that makes sense. I mean, the subtle fact that they're cat people (the tails) helps support it in my mind. The person that wrote it said that the skeleton drifting into the black star and being consumed is Ziggy Stardust, and obviously the astronaut is still Major Tom. But there's plenty of other things in it I still don't get.

Two Faced Egg (23)
12-25-2015, 01:35 PM
"I have found over these last few years, that the one continuum that is throughout my writing is a real simple, spiritual search. Everything that I seem to have written, in some way or other, keeps refocusing on the idea that in the late 20th Century, we are without our God. That what we're heading for is an era where we have to completely demobilize our religious organizations and reinvent God in some form or other. We really have to reinvent God. I think that our religious philosophies trail so far behind the way that we actually live today that we find ourselves in a spiritual void, and I think it affects the young very much indeed. I think that that does intervene with Outside in that way. What it does do to resurrect the theme of Outside is that We continually try and find ritual , but We have no religious order to connect that ritual to. Yet We go through the actions of ritualization. We go through pinning ourselves and tattooing ourselves , developing a pagan , tribal kind of authenticity to a religous life that We don't exactly have. So We have to reinvent GOD , I think , in our own new way of life to give ourselves another form of spiritual sustenance. And everything I've written about is about "Who is MY GOD ? How does He show Himself? What is My higher stage , My higher being ? " David Bowie 1997 /Music Paper

Mok
12-25-2015, 09:42 PM
I've recently began to actually listen to David Bowie and have totally fallen in love like I did when I first heard Manson. Absolute genius.