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S.D.
06-09-2010, 09:21 AM
The subject of Manson characterised as a car in his lyrics came up today on Babalon, Mary said I should share these thoughts I compiled here as well for anyone interested, I don't think I've included them in any other topics in Analyses, but apologies if I have and forgot.
[god]speed discussed lyrics from Snake Eyes For Sissies and Ka-Boom Ka-Boom, which I think can be extended to Misery Machine, which features further examples:-



"My arms are wheels, my legs are wheels"

"The grill in the front is my sinister grin"

"When you ride you're ridden"



More of a Musical Parallel, but the first lyric also reminds me of Under My Wheels by Alice Cooper. And of course, the "grill" taken out of its common "Gangsta Rap" location has become a recurring, though adapted part of Manson's image for quite some time now:-



http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9139/grillz.png



I think the black teeth might have been intended to represent decay rather than grills, given the confectionery/drugs thematic to the band's early work - "I am the rotten teeth" [Organ Grinder] - but in all cases, the aesthetic is still present, and it's interesting to see how that progresses.

But yes, Manson characterising himself as a car can be linked from Misery Machine and Portrait Of An American Family through to Ka-Boom Ka-Boom. Obviously Misery Machine is a malapropism of The Mystery Machine featured in Scooby Doo, the intention being that the MM is interchangeable and Manson is the car that people "ride" in, though they are "ridden" also. Then there's the reversal of that lyric from Dried Up, Tied, And Dead To The World - "You'll ride but cannot be ridden" - perhaps signifying that when one becomes the sycophant described in Mister Superstar, they no longer have anything of worth left to "ride". That idea of the rider and the ridden also reminds me of Irresponsible Hate Anthem, with lyrics like "I'd hate the hater" etc.


There's a few other instances of Manson as the vehicle, the "bugs" (flies are waiting?) in Manson's grilled teeth from Misery Machine reminds me of A Place In The Dirt - "There's a windshield in my heart, we are bugs so smeared and scarred"
The vehicle character definitely extends to EAT ME, DRINK ME, Manson says "Drive me off the mountain" during If I Was Your Vampire, and I think Just A Car Crash Away can easily be interpreted as Manson being the car that will "crash". Are You The Rabbit? isn't even worth explaining, you just have to listen to the lyrics and he's the car again.


I hope this is of some interest.

Mary
06-09-2010, 10:26 AM
Yet another interesting analysis. I had always wondered what the relevance of Manson referring to himself as a car was.

Thank you for posting it here. :)

spaceSuicide
06-09-2010, 11:33 AM
Always cool posts. What about Tainted Love and his grills and car in that?

Lauren
06-09-2010, 11:48 AM
Always cool posts. What about Tainted Love and his grills and car in that?

That's what I was thinking, and the GAOG cover. Well, there are several times he's worn grills, but I can't think of lyrics that coincide with them that also refer to him as a car.

S.D.
06-09-2010, 01:14 PM
Thank you for your replies everyone.

Thinking about it, there are numerous music videos where Manson appears inside a vehicle, and quite a few where he has the grilled teeth. Here are the visuals:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./grilltainted.png

http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./grillnewshit.png

http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./grillarmageddon.png

Tainted Love, This Is The New Shit & Arma-Goddamn-Motherfuckin'-Geddon


Going from what Lauren said, I don't necessarily think they're always supposed to be linked to Manson's vehicle characterisation, I mean there are other music videos where Manson appears in a car (The Dope Show, Coma White and Heart-Shaped Glasses) and no grills are featured, and vice versa, it's not some continued or even confirmed thematic, it's just nice to make the connection.
I don't even think rappers were using the idea of teeth as grills as frequently as they do now back in 1994 when Misery Machine was recorded, it wasn't commericialised as an image until at least the late nineties.

I remember a Heirophant conversation once actually, Jack Absinthe made a really interesting comment about how Manson's use of the grill emasculates the hip hop image of braun over brains and materialism, which might explain why as a Manson motif it has predominantly been associated with videos concerning sexual dominance, or ones that don't focus on his emotional commentaries.
In Tainted Love he has the grills and is fornicating with bunny girls and hot tub girls, in mOBSCENE he has a troupe of Rockettes and Dita is half nude in a Martini glass, This Is The New Shit sees him rubbing girls in lingerie and eating panties with the grills, and in Armageddon he's kidnapped by girls in bikinis and mouse ears whilst creeping around female nudes trapped in a box.
Jack's assessment of that suggests to me that Manson uses the image whilst celebrating his masculinity and sexual appetite, but also reminds us that this is not his only source of interest or inspiration. It's quite clever in a way considering the use of the dollar sign banners/podium in Armageddon, and the popular image of hip hop musicians being interested only in loose, characterless women and accumulated wealth with no work put in to achieve it. It's as though sexual imagery in Manson's work is overt, but almost a veneer to discuss other things.

I think I'm moving ever so slightly away from the topic of car charcterisation now, but going back to the Ka-Boom Ka-Boom lyric, it's like Manson is saying "I don't need a big car to prove my worth to other people, or money, or status". He IS the car, the wealth and the status.

ThreeEyedGod
06-09-2010, 02:45 PM
Let's not forget the lyrics to Four Rusted Horses, where it is inferred that he is riding inside a vehicle and can therefore see the " coffin shining through his tinted window". In this instance the vehicle serves not as a source of empowerment such as in Misery Machine(your car is just not as big as mine), but as a prison where he is witness to his own demise. Also the chatter in the background which seems to be about somebody getting pulled over by the police further suggests cars as a source of anxiety.

I also recall an interview where he actually stated his long time fascination with vehicles and how many times they serve as the main catalyst in a story line. I believe he was referring to True Love or Bonnie and Clyde.

Norsefire
06-09-2010, 03:01 PM
I once recorded a short interview with Manson on TV. It was about his music videos and he mentioned having a grill in that, I'm sure he mentioned something about a car and wanting his own grill.

I have the video ripped, but I think it's on my old laptop so I'm going to have to dig it out when I can.

The Empirical Guy
06-10-2010, 02:38 AM
Manson comparing himself to a vehicle is something I've been aware of and find rather interesting, it's an interesting metaphor to use.



... that people "ride" in, though they are "ridden" also. Then there's the reversal of that lyric from Dried Up, Tied, And Dead To The World - "You'll ride but cannot be ridden" - perhaps signifying that when one becomes the sycophant described in Mister Superstar, they no longer have anything of worth left to "ride". That idea of the rider and the ridden also reminds me of Irresponsible Hate Anthem, with lyrics like "I'd hate the hater" etc.



Not quite as overt, but I think similarly so in "You may fuck me but chances are I'm gonna fuck you over".


Let's not forget the lyrics to Four Rusted Horses, where it is inferred that he is riding inside a vehicle and can therefore see the " coffin shining through his tinted window". In this instance the vehicle serves not as a source of empowerment such as in Misery Machine(your car is just not as big as mine), but as a prison where he is witness to his own demise. Also the chatter in the background which seems to be about somebody getting pulled over by the police further suggests cars as a source of anxiety.


Excellent stuff!

spaceSuicide
06-15-2010, 01:56 PM
I just watched Manson's appearance on the Late Show with David Letterman from 2003 and he had some grills on his teeth for the interview. He mentioned they were for a jaguar grill look of sorts and a later joke was made and he said he goes to a body shop, rather than a dentist. Letterman mentions Dita and Manson stated he referred to her as a car.

Talk of cars, still.


"All our monkeys have monkeys, we drive our death-crush diamond, jaguar limousines..."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nc-edAYHH8&feature=related