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Shangri-LIE
11-05-2010, 09:44 PM
Preface - This is a living autopsy pertaining to the sub rosa despoilers who have thus far sqaushed the release of the Holy Wood novel. I will first cite some credible quotations and references from the most incredible of sources. I will also open for examination and discussion some other interesting titbites to suck on such as extraterrestrials and Nazi magick rituals that are of great interest to MM.Could it be that Manson has been betrayed by those he once considered allies?


Many assumed this to be about Christianity but in an interview with The Official PlayStation Magazine to promote his appearance as Edgar in Area 51, and other later statements, it became clear the objection most likely originated from the Church of Scientology as Manson, who has previously attended meetings but was unimpressed, had drawn upon the story of Jack Parsons and the novel Sex and Rockets for the book.

http://www.mansonwiki.com/wiki/Holy_Wood_(novel))


This presentation is an explicit statement that the Nazi regime is still out in force today under the cloak of delusional maurauding profiteers who seek to censor, subvert, and if they had their way eliminate artists such as, in this case, Marilyn Manson. It is a case of fiction imitating non fiction vs. non fiction imitating fiction. Call it "God Eat God". There are many sources that link L.Ron Hubbard directly to Adolf Hitler, who was also facsinated with magick, and the scientific engineering of super intelligent indestructable entities to preserve and enforce his diabolical scheme to dominate the world. Domination by means of censorship and fierce intimidation. For example, in 2003 Manson was quoted as saying
"The book has been written for over 3 years, but the censorship of certain ideas, ideals and opinions has kept me from releasing it to the public. I'm sorry I can't say more, but there is a religious objection to its release because the story's inspiration was not only my own life (the three albums included) but also some "private" documents I discovered. This is a deep and dark road, and I haven't found the off-ramp."
Documents such as the 1982 Clearwater Commission which the transcript can be read in its entirety here ... http://www.lermanet.com/82cwcommission/

Others cannot be fully disclosed at the moment.

However I believe that the information provided above is enough to shed some light on the intentions and roots of this "certain group". With that said, we can move on some pretty pictures of something that has evolved into a symbol(s) with atrocious ramifications. The Cross. We'll skip the Swastika as I am sure we are all pretty educated on what it represents.

Here we have The Scientology Cross

http://www.scientology-europe.org/uploads/images/scientology-cross-gold.jpg

A crossed out cross that according to Scientologists is used to restimulate peoples body thetans.

http://www.cosvm.org/dcross.htm


"It is an eight-pointed cross representing the eight parts or dynamics of life through which each individual is striving to survive. These parts are: the urge toward existence as self, as an individual; the urge to survive through creativity, including the family unit and the rearing of children; the urge to survive through a group of individuals or as a group; the urge toward survival through all mankind and as all mankind; the urge to survive as life forms and with the help of life forms such as animals, birds, insects, fish and vegetation; the urge to survive of the physical universe, by the physical universe itself and with the help of the physical universe and each one of its component parts; the urge to survive as spiritual beings or the urge for life itself to survive; the urge toward existence as infinity. To be able to live happily with respect to each of these spheres of existence is symbolized by the Scientology cross"

Additionally ....

According to Hubbard " Those below 2.0 on the tone scale be disposed of quietly, and without sorrow."

With both the Swaztika and the Cross of Scientology as having, as I stated above, atrocious ramifications attatched to them. What better symbol to counter these organizations than the Cross of Lorraine, and adopted symbol of The Celebritarian Corporation? A symbol used to liberate oneself and ones people from oppresion and potential extermination. This isn't over. Let the petitions begin.

Thus concluding Pt.1 (We're not done). Betrayal has been connotated and duly noted.

We art, and I Am

VelvetAIDS
11-05-2010, 10:21 PM
"Burning Flag" ...think about it

Short connection based rambling because I'm too tired for an essay:


...maurauding profiteers who seek to censor, subvert, and if they had their way eliminate artists such as, in this case, Marilyn Manson



Note the most of the first verse "They wanna sell it out/ Buy it up/Dumb it down/A good god is hard to find/I'll join the crowd that wants to see me dead"

Make any sense?

"We are all just stars and we're waiting
We are all just scarred and we're hating"

Holy Wood/Holly Wood..Stars...that means Celebrities. Scientology is notorious for it's celebrity status members such as the late Issac Hayes, John Travolta, Lisa Marie Presley and of course, Tom Cruise. Now aside from him being a loony he is one of most well known members who truly gets pissed when slander towards Scientology rapes his ears.

As far as a Nazi connection goes...
"Multiply your death/Divide by sex/Add up the violence and what do you get?"
The Holocaust.

I'll finish and edit this sucker when I have more time.

Shangri-LIE
11-05-2010, 10:42 PM
"Burning Flag" ...think about it

If you listen to that song while reading either the transcript, or what I wrote ... I can see where it gives the song more context, and makes the content contained in here less brain frazzling.


"I'll join the crowd that wants to see me dead. Right now I feel I belong for the first time."

Pt.2 and 3 possibly tomorrow.

Shangri-LIE
11-06-2010, 08:14 AM
It took me a couple of reads to digest what exactly was being implied, even though the entire message being sent was in plain sight the entire time. I was watching the Dope Show video before even signing in today, and I noticed something that I hadn't before. When Manson is in the limousine and someone is holding a tabloid that reads "Is Marilyn Manson a Roswell Alien?". I remember browsing this thread last night, and being confused as to why you mentioned something about extraterrestrials. But then you said that there are additional parts to come. So, I'll wait before giving deeper insight into what I think about all of this. I'm suprised more people haven't commented. Especially those deeply invested in Mansons work, or who want to see the book released. I like the idea of getting a petition started and I hope that you, or someone else can start one. I know that Rudy Coby has said that he is going to do anything he can to make sure that it is released to the public, so we'll see. I can't wait to see the other segments of your mysterious, out of nowhere "revelations".

Hexon.Arq
11-06-2010, 03:03 PM
...Is this going to be about Marilyn Manson being some kind of Marcabian operative?

Sputnik
11-06-2010, 05:08 PM
This is pretty cool, interesting thoughts...
Why hasn't S.D replied to this yet? :P

Dysmorphia
11-07-2010, 01:40 AM
This speculation by Devourer of God is an interesting thought, that even today this kind of censorship could remain. I am not quick to jump on board with conspiracy theories, however in saying that, will keep an open mind to the ideas presented.

My apologies in advance for going off on a tangent, but I find that this insinuated degree of subversion is reminiscent of the Nazi’s approach to Modern Art and music. The 1937 German exhibition, Entartete Kunst (translated: Degenerate Art), was a travelling exhibition of Modernist artworks that the Nazi regime deemed un-German for the employment of aesthetics that were not of the classical, conservative style. These artworks by artists from movements such as Dada, the Surrealists, the Fauvists and Cubists, were displayed crudely with an accompanying text that ridiculed the artwork. The purpose of the exhibition was to show how Modern art corrupted the classical (i.e. the fascist, nationalistic, traditional) and to encourage public distaste for the artworks and artists.

It should also be noted that these Modernist works were seen as Low Art. Low art was perceived as a threat to fascism and extreme conservative ideals. Low Art also includes burlesque, avant-garde theatre and cinema, pornography and Modern music. In this way, Marilyn Manson can be seen as the ultimate embodiment of Low Art, “We’re the low art gloominati”(TGAOG).

Shangri-LIE
11-09-2010, 09:00 AM
Thanks to Dysmorphia and Creepyklutz for your observation and contribution. There is a delay in updating this essay but one that will soon be relayed. The second parts are coming, and they will come together.

Shangri-LIE
11-09-2010, 09:17 PM
Before we move forward into more dangerous territories, I'd like to address some observations made here by a few of you.

Shangri-Lie - I did "notice" that.

Dysmorphia - I'll be going further into what you had to say in my second installment. You'll see. Thank you for your contribution.

CreepyKlutz - Once again, like the previous two individuals that I've just addressed, you've hit the nail on the head. I've found that there are a lot of people confused about how "Burning Flag" really fits into HOLYWOOD. In terms of it being the "beginning", it really speaks volumes during certain parts of that song that allude to MM not really knowing the powers he was toiling/allying with.

Pt.II - A Dirty Word Reichsmusikkammer - The Rupture


My apologies in advance for going off on a tangent, but I find that this insinuated degree of subversion is reminiscent of the Nazi’s approach to Modern Art and music. - Dysmorphia

That is a prime example of why Manson has departed from "Interscope", and is merging CV to establish his own record label. For example ...

"Most musicians and composers who lived during the Third Reich were less fortunate in their ability to please the Führer. For many musicians, survival meant compromise. Many tried to strike a balance between allegiance to Germany and commitment to their work. It was a difficult balance to achieve, knowing that to fail meant deportation or perhaps death."

http://fcit.usf.edu/HOLOCAUST/arts/musReich.htm

THE DEATH OF ART

http://www.marilynmansonimages.com/images/art/2002show/art-thedeathof-art.jpg

(The Holy-Cost of being a degenerate)

I am not going to go as far as to say that Marilyn Manson, or any other artist is in danger of actual execution for their "Low Art". However, if the digits that you create your art with no longer add up to valid pin numbers in the ATM, ("ass to mouth"), machines that are property of the modern day record companies bank accounts then you are shredded, spit out, and left to bleed out onto the pavement. Your career is beheaded via lack of promotion/lack of support thus slowley rendering your public image obsolete and eventually being buried in an unmarked mass grave. But as the good reverend has said ... "You can't kill me motherfuckers". He has finally taken enough shit, and has unstiched his sticker censored mouth from the anuses of the premiered artists placed in front of him .... Fauxlosophers who have been given the bigger canvas to pollute shit onto, and he will, as he states "Make sure the music is loud enough that we won't even here it end" now that he is free to rule in HELL ETC.

Quoted recently from Manson himself

" We will always be our worst audience, until we stop being an audience and start being an artist. Any art is flesh and blood, no matter how you perform, decorate or display it. But we all want the passionate horror of that blood. And blood is what I am here to bring."

Your Pretty Faces are Going to Hell

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_u3PedaJ-N8Q/SWQT6_0cafI/AAAAAAAAA8A/ox4UcIEFPH4/s400/ron+asheton.jpg

To be continued ....

Shangri-LIE
11-10-2010, 12:09 PM
Devourer - We spoke about this last night, and it is unfortunate that you had to put the second part on hold and continue it later on this week. However, I like how you ended the first segment of Pt.2. It's interesting where you are going with this. Especially your playful wordplay, and the grim image of Ron Asheton who also, like Manson, had a fetish for Nazi memorabilia. I like how this is more essay oriented, and not as much of an analysis of sorts like you would find on the NK, or even within threads in this section where it is "compare this picture to this", or "This influence to this song or whatever".

Back to the picture of the late Ron Asheton, which I find mysterious as to why it was left with a to be continued comment. I think that more people who view this "report" should take the time to listen to songs from The Stooges, and Iggy Pop, who Manson has drawn influence from, especially "Nazi Girlfriend", "Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell" among others. But even those two songs, you can definatley take the lyrics from those songs, and recognize the influence in songs such as "Putting Holes in Happiness", and "Pretty as a Swaztika" for instance. It is imperative that those who have been following this to do your own research. You'll find the correlations.

RevManz
11-18-2010, 11:18 PM
^Also, I've noticed that whole Nazi picture, and ''Your pretty is Going to Hell''...That can connect to the "I look Up just to See Hell''. Also, the picture and song title can hold a further link to Antichrist Superstar, from High End of Low. You know, how Manson said the new album would be ACS part II.

Both albums have a ''Nazi'' type of ideal about America, as it almost seems.

ACS= The Beatiful People maybe, the performance of Antichrist Superstar (the banners almost looking like a rally of some kind)...

HEOTL: ''Pretty as a Swatiska'', the bird (some kind of Nazi symbol, if a picture could be provided that'll be great) symbol with ''MM'' inside of it...

Sorry if Iam able not to explain myself too much, I'm sometimes a bad explainer. :/ Just some thoughts on the topic.

Shangri-LIE
11-23-2010, 09:50 PM
Alien Rock

As it has been observed earlier, Manson begins his revelations about the extraterrestrial forces at work within his art particularly during Mechanical Animals. For instance The Dope Show video. Marilyn Manson is going through a "rebirthing process" and is being shown information about his new image because he is actually an Alien recovered from a crash and not a human being. He was captured, and re programmed by the government to become this character "Marilyn Manson" or "Omega", and destroy every false truth that people know as reality. It is near the end of the video where he is transferred in a limousine from a bunker to a stage to perform for the first time as this "new leader".

This is important because earlier in the thread I began to talk about Scientology, and Nazis, and U.F.O.'s and now is where I am going to tie all of that together. I won't rehash anything previously covered, as I assume that all of you know how to scroll, and read. Unless you have no hands and are literally illiterate.


THE MOON CHILD- "Missing in Happy Valley"

What I am going to say is going to shock a lot of you. Others may call bullshit. Some may even question who I am or how I know this. Now, if you believe that 01 - 05 - 69 is Marilyn Mansons birthday, then you've got some recalculating to do. It is a cycle of three. Brian Warner died in 1996 and became Marilyn Manson, so who became Brian Warner? I'll show you. Or At least show you where he descended from.

http://www.excludedmiddle.com/images/LAM.gif

"Marilyn Manson" cannot make it any more clear. Only Thetan Operatives, if there are any that have viewed the links and testimonials in this mostly pictureless thread can understand the roots of Mansons inception. We have encouraged you to do research on Jack Parsons, The O.T.O., Missing in Happy Valley, the origins of The Moonchild, and have given ample time for people to discuss this. Apparently minds are absent. Look into this. You have three days to figure this out.

RE READ THE ENTIRE THREAD UP UNTIL THIS POINT.

http://www.video-clips.ru/uploads/posts/2008-05/1210685745_marilyn-manson-personal-jesus.jpg

Build your own Gods. Destroy your own manniquens. But recognize your dopplegangers motherfuckers.

RevManz
11-23-2010, 09:54 PM
^I'm really like this so far. I'll have to reply tomorrow, though, posting any further thoughts. It's too late for my brain to work properly.

RevManz
11-24-2010, 05:04 PM
This is just some inital thoughts by the way.

^Actually, the picture of Aliester Corowley's LAM, from S.D.'s thread....Comparing it to Omega. I feel it also can linked to the Scientologist belief in Xenu. Xenu was an alienan event happened to him: ''A government faction known as the Loyal Officers finally overthrew Xenu and his renegades, and locked him away in "an electronic mountain trap" from which he still has not escaped." His particular story reminds me of Manson portraying Omega in the Dope Show. You know, in the Dope Show the alien is taken away and examined almost trapped, etc. Manson often appears as a God-like figure (LaVey way), and Xenu almost appears as real God to the Scientologists. This picture helps my point Manson being like Xenu as well:
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/68151/Marilyn+Manson.jpg

There also may be a connection between how a Tarot card of Crowley's influenced the croos of scientology:
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/crowleyscrossedoutcross.jpg I have yet to connect this to one of Manson's tarots...I need more time to see if I can find a possible connection.

Also....About the moonchild. Hubbard and Parson performed a ritual to produce the ''satanic moonchild". Reading on what Crowley's novel is about, I've noticed from a summary, a group of black and white magickians were fighting over ''an unborn child.'' Unborn...It almost reminded of the Autopsy video of Manson's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX-RrxNIBEU&feature=fvst
The fact it is a baby pulled from a man's head, makes me think it was an unborn baby.

Inspiration from the Cancer sign, also dubbed ''moonchild'' sometimes, made me think the Crowley concept could be further inspired. I can't find it at this moment, but...the picture depicts Manson holding a gun, bald, and having '69' carved onto his chest.

Black and White magickians fought over it. Opposites. The two crosses within the Celebritarian cross.

Another thing...the Scientology cross. It has many points, sticking outwards from it.
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nk_celebritarian_corporation_masthead.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKwtS54b4ZyeKYwSE759YXaNziYNsgE 3lFQxekptOFqVdssb4fsA
A bit similiar? Hmmm...

Perhaps I'll post more thoughts on these subjects when I get more time. Tighter connections, as well.

Shangri-LIE
07-05-2012, 06:10 PM
"Glass mirrors were invented with the aid of mercury amalgams to produce a reflecting surface, protected by the glass. Paint protected the amalgam on the back. About 1300, a convex mirror was first made in Nürnberg by "silvering" the inside of a spherical flask with an amalgam of Hg, Bi, Pb and Sn. Soon afterwards, plane mirrors were made in Venice, whence the art spread generally. Bright, superior glass mirrors soon replaced speculum mirrors that had served since antiquity. Tin amalgam was the usual reflective surface, made with tinfoil and mercury. Silvered mirrors were introduced by Justus von Liebig in 1836. Evaporated Al and Ag mirrors came only in the 20th century as high-vacuum technique was perfected."

I've got no reflection. Deep.

Sans Agendum
07-05-2012, 07:16 PM
Also see David Icke and the Reptilian agenda.

Here comes the moon again


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdXkQpP67PM

http://www.downeu.net/uploads/posts/2011-03-31/341278-0.jpg

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/138/5c451528bcfa4b21ba79ebb2737b85dc/l.jpg

The nazi imagery also has to do with alien intervention. Nazis were deeply into the occult and making contact with beings from outside our world. Crowley's other worldly counselors resemble greys. The OTO are deceived by these demonic entities and do their bidding through the media and Hollywood. They think they are making way and will be rewarded but in the end they are just as fucked over as the rest of us.

Shangri-LIE
07-05-2012, 07:54 PM
^ I decided to exhume this thread for a reason, and thank you for contributing. I am working on a reply to that with some additional analysis to further what already exists here and also in response what Sans just had to add. I am also going to incorporate the "concept" of Born Villain into it. I never really finished this, but "It is done when 7 are 1" I suppose. Before I submit that, what I wanted to say was ignore the parts where I was replying to myself because I originally created this account as "ADEVOUREROFGOD" as a ruse to trick people into thinking that I was MM...during one particular binge. Anywhoo, let's get this topic going again! Thanks again, Sans, and I look forward to other peoples input.

Sans Agendum
07-07-2012, 10:13 AM
Stop acting like such a know-it-all and people will probably be more willing to contribute.

I do think you'd get further with the David Icke stuff and linking it with the OTO than Scientology, though Scientology may as well be an appendage of the OTO. Especially when concerning GAOG and MA. I recommend viewing the entire seminar I linked.

Shangri-LIE
07-08-2012, 08:19 AM
I did. I honestly don't intend as coming off as a know it all. I did give it a view in it's entirety. I went into the OTO as well somewhere in here. I am just waiting on some more contributions before I offer anymore insight.

Shangri-LIE
07-09-2012, 04:53 PM
^Right.