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newnature
03-24-2011, 07:33 PM
Hi everyone, just reasoning out that life Yahweh has within himself, which is the same life the tree of life produces, that life is cool stuff. Thanks for any reasoning insights one has on this tree of life series.

Post 1 of the tree of life series

If one really thinks about it, having that good and bad knowledge is no guarantee that one will choose or incline towards the good. After all, that’s what the serpent omitted in his speech, before Eve ate off the tree of knowledge of good and bad. The serpent said, “You are not going to die, but Yahweh knows that as soon as you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like divine beings, who know good and bad.” It’s true in one sense, but false in another; the serpent sort of omitted to point out, that its the power of moral choice alone, that is Yahweh like. The very action that brought Adam and Eve a Yahweh like awareness of their mortal autonomy, was an action that was taken in opposition to Yahweh. Yahweh knows that, that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it’s one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good. For Adam and Eve to have true freedom of will, Adam and Eve have to have the freedom to rebel. This is why this tree is in the garden, next to the tree of life; instead, evil will come about as a result of the clash of the will of Yahweh, and the will of humans, who happen to have the freedom to rebel. Human beings, and only human beings are the potential source of evil, responsibility for evil will lie in the hands of human beings. Yet, evil is represented not as a physical reality, it’s not built into the structure of Eden, evil is a condition of human existence, and to assert that evil stems from human behavior. The drama of Adam and Eve’s life should revolve not around the search for eternal life, nor preoccupation with immortality; it was not in Yahweh’s design for this kind of drama. It was Yahweh’s design for the tree of life to have been eaten of, there was no danger to Adam and Eve going on eternally, being immortal. The eating off the tree of knowledge of good and bad, has caused a moral conflict and tension between Yahweh’s good design for creation, and the free will of human beings that can corrupt that good design. Evil is a product of human behavior, not a principal inherent in the cosmos. Man’s disobedience is the cause of the human predicament. Human freedom can be at one and the same time an omen of disaster, and a challenge, and opportunity.

So despite Adam and Eve’s newfound mortality, humans are going to be a force to be reckoned with. They’re unpredictable to the very Yahweh who created them. Yahweh has to modify his plan, by barring access to the tree of life; that was not something presumably Yahweh planned to do. Adam and Eve had access to this tree up to that point, as long as their will conformed to the will of Yahweh, there was no danger to their going on eternally, being immortal. Once they discovered their moral freedom, once they discovered that they could thwart Yahweh and work evil in the world, and abuse and corrupt all that Yahweh had created, then Yahweh could not afford to allow them access to the tree of life. That would be tantamount to creating divine enemies, immortal enemies. So Yahweh must maintain the upper hand in his struggle with these humans who have learned to defy him. And Yahweh maintains the upper hand in this, the fact that humans eventually must die. Yahweh stations the cherubim and the fiery ever-turning sword to guard the way back to the tree of life, once Adam and Eve were banished from the garden. The tree of life is now inaccessible; no humans have access to immortality, and the pursuit of immortality is futile. So it might be then that Yahweh really spoke the truth after all, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and bad did bring death to human race.

http://thatlifeyahwehhas.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2011-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2012-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=12

Golden Eel
03-24-2011, 08:11 PM
What in the fuck?

EDIT: Good and bad are subjective. There are no universal human morals. What is good to me is bad to someone else in the world and vice versa. If you're attempting to use the Bible as some sort of metaphor, I think you're looking too far into it. People are inherently greedy, it's just how evolution works. There may be some groups of apes who are altruistic because apes survive longer in groups, but the asshole who kills his brother and eats his food will be the one to reproduce and spread his genetics. If this is not a metaphor, then go post it on a Christian message board.

And nothing is unpredictable to Yahweh, he knows the future, past, and present doesn't he?

And if I'm completely off the point you were trying to make, sorry. This wall of text makes my brain hurt.

newnature
03-24-2011, 08:33 PM
Thanks for the insights, I will take another puff and hold it longer, and think about your insights, thank man.

Golden Eel
03-24-2011, 08:35 PM
Thanks for the insights, I will take another puff and hold it longer, and think about your insights, thank man.

I wasn't really trying to give insight, I'm sure you were fully aware of all the things I said. I'm just not sure I understand your point with all this. Maybe I'm just thick.

newnature
03-24-2011, 08:37 PM
Just trying to show that life, the world went after that spirit teaching junk many many moons ago, with their creeds of man. That life is cool stuff.

VIDe
03-24-2011, 08:39 PM
Thanks for the insights, I will take another puff and hold it longer, and think about your insights, thank man.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I expected.

How crazy is meatloaf, right?

Golden Eel
03-24-2011, 08:46 PM
Just trying to show that life, the world went after that spirit teaching junk many many moons ago, with their creeds of man. That life is cool stuff.

Is it me or does that sentence not make any sense?

Anyway, life is the most fascinating thing in the cosmos to me. The idea that after several million years of trial and error, some proteins and acids in a swamp can evolve into all the amazing and different forms of life we have today is utterly jaw-dropping. It's the most under-appreciated idea in my opinion. Also, that's one of my biggest qualms about religion (at least Christianity in the US), the idea that so many people can just ignore evolution. You and a tree and a worm and a mushroom and an elephant and microscopic bacteria all evolved from a common ancestor. It's fucking mind-blowing, yet so many people choose to ignore the real miracles of our world and replace it with God - which instantly takes the burden of thought off their shoulders.

Really grinds my gears.

newnature
03-24-2011, 08:48 PM
That life Yahweh has within himself is a noun, not a verb, that life is cool stuff.

Golden Eel
03-24-2011, 09:01 PM
That life Yahweh has within himself is a noun, not a verb, that life is cool stuff.

I'm hoping Yahweh is a metaphor for the cosmos here...

Also, are there any circumstances in which 'life' is a verb?

Am I being trolled?

ThreeEyedGod
03-24-2011, 09:54 PM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

newnature
03-25-2011, 06:45 PM
I'm hoping Yahweh is a metaphor for the cosmos here...

Also, are there any circumstances in which 'life' is a verb?

Am I being trolled?

I always wondered what trolling was, now I see what it means, trippe. No, religion get a lot money out of that living the godly life 'a verb of life' no money in the noun of that life, because religion is all caught up into those creeds of man, the three-in-one god folks get mad, when one starts showing those creeds are full of $hit?

Dope Box
03-25-2011, 09:32 PM
The 'brain damage' version of English is cute but only for a post or two.

ImNotJesus
03-25-2011, 10:53 PM
Am I being trolled?

No of course not.

On a completely unrelated note, would you like to buy some more troll food?

Golden Eel
03-25-2011, 11:21 PM
No of course not.

On a completely unrelated note, would you like to buy some more troll food?

Well he's a bad troll, if so. Trolls are supposed to get me angry, this one just made me quite confused.

newnature
03-26-2011, 12:15 AM
All that acid, over two thousand hits or so in my youth, I get confessed myself, all that man made religion, now theirs a confessing trip. Just trying to learn more about that life, who knows, someone might have stumbled across some of this life stuff on acid too?

Golden Eel
03-26-2011, 12:38 AM
All that acid, over two thousand hits or so in my youth, I get confessed myself, all that man made religion, now theirs a confessing trip. Just trying to learn more about that life, who knows, someone might have stumbled across some of this life stuff on acid too?

Hey man, you ever notice that trees look like giant, inside-out lungs?

ThreeEyedGod
03-26-2011, 01:14 AM
I like your beboppin ' and scattin' style, bro.

newnature
03-26-2011, 01:16 AM
They always looked like rubber tree, real rubbery like looking things, trippe stuff back in the day. I learned how to play the Jaws Harp on acid, after I sobered up, I found that I play the meanest AC/DC ever heard, but I'm computer dumb and don't know how to record.

ImNotJesus
03-26-2011, 09:51 PM
I've got 10 to 1 money that this is another Shangs 'side project'.

newnature
03-26-2011, 10:28 PM
I've got 10 to 1 money that this is another Shangs 'side project'.

Who is Shangs, what kind of side projects does he do?