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adamchabbi6
09-21-2011, 04:15 PM
Hi everyone,

I have decided to make a little debate thread regarding film censorship, where we can all share our views on films being released in a censored and uncut form.

In my opinion, I think that censorship has been an issue going on for many years in cinema where it doesn't enable adults over 18 to watch whatever they want. As I'm sure a lot of the UK Horror fans on here might be aware of is the old Video Nasties era back in the 80's, where authorities seized copies of films that were not properly classified by the British film censors and fearing that children would get their hands on it. Some of these titles included: The Evil Dead, Cannibal Holocaust, Last House on the Left, Zombie Flesh Eaters, etc.

Later, some of these films were later re submitted to the BBFC where some of them have now been passed uncut and some have been passed censored. There has been quite an improvement in the UK, since former video nasty titles like: Evil Dead, Tenebrae, Inferno, The Beyond and Zombie have all been passed uncut now.

Whereas for a film like Cannibal Holocaust that contains real animals being killed, it has always been an issue with the BBFC because of the cruelty to animals act. It has recently been re-released by Shameless in the UK where it was mentioned on the BBFC site that the only scene missing is the cruel slaughter of a coatimundi, which you can hear squealing in pain if you've seen the uncut version. Although, when I attended the premiere screening of the re-release at Cine-Excess at the Odeon Covent Garden last May, a lot of the animal cruelty scenes were still slightly censored, e.g. the turtle and monkey scenes were both blurry to make it difficult for the viewers to see what is happening. Surprisingly the pig shooting scene was left intact. I assume that for a film like Cannibal Holocaust, it might be the best version to ever land in the UK.

I don't know about you guys but I think that we have reached a time where censorship needs to ease up a bit and allow audiences aged 18+ to decide for themselves whatever they want to watch, rather than censoring films that kills a bit of the film's effect.

The issue even happened with A Serbian Film last year, where it was scheduled to be screened at Frightfest in London's Empire Leicester Square. Although, it was pulled off the festival because it was heavily cut by the BBFC with nearly 5 minutes cut, due to pedophilia scenes and sexual violence. A powerful film like that definitely loses it's full effect with all those cuts, where it tries to indicate the current issues that Serbia is going through.

I'm not saying that censorship is terrible here in the UK because it has certainly improved a lot since the 80's and 90's but it would be nice for most of these former video nasty titles to get an uncut UK release in the near future. Although, most of the cannibal flicks might be unlikely for animal cruelty scenes.

Censorship doesn't only happen in the UK but worldwide as well, where it has been mentioned that Germany and Australia are the worst for censorship generally.

Share your views below.

Barbarella
09-21-2011, 04:26 PM
A powerful film like that definitely loses it's full effect with all those cuts, where it tries to indicate the current issues that Serbia is going through.
What on earth has this film got to do with any current issues that Serbia is going through?

adamchabbi6
09-21-2011, 04:35 PM
What on earth has this film got to do with any current issues that Serbia is going through?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_noYL0mzW4Q&feature=related
The writer explains here how the film is a commentary that is dehumanizing.

Barbarella
09-21-2011, 04:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_noYL0mzW4Q&feature=related
The writer explains here how the film is a commentary that is dehumanizing.
Tell me you don't actually believe that bullshit.

This is the writer of the film, right? All he's doing is trying to justify the trash he's written by attempting to pass it off as some sort of intelligent, social statement. Why doesn't he just be honest and admit that all he was really trying to do was shock for shock's sake. He's so far up his own arse it's unreal.

adamchabbi6
09-21-2011, 04:49 PM
Tell me you don't actually believe that bullshit.

This is the writer of the film, right? All he's doing is trying to justify the trash he's written by attempting to pass it off as some sort of intelligent, social statement. Why doesn't he just be honest and admit that all he was really trying to do was shock for shock's sake. He's so far up his own arse it's unreal.

I believe that the film is trying to prove how people are forced into doing things they don't agree with. For example, Milos having to sign a contract to be in a porn film where he is not told that the film is a pedophilia porn film. Man, you seem to really hate that film.

Barbarella
09-21-2011, 05:01 PM
I believe that the film is trying to prove how people are forced into doing things they don't agree with. For example, Milos having to sign a contract to be in a porn film where he is not told that the film is a pedophilia porn film.
Who forces him, the State? No, he's not forced I believe. He's offered a large sum of money by wealthy pornographer. So therefore this has nothing to do with any social or political issues. The film could be set anywhere. People being forced into doing things they don't want to do isn't exclusive to Serbia hence your argument that the film is relevant to - and I'll quote you - "current issues that Serbia is going through" - is invalid.


Man, you seem to really hate that film.
My prerogative.

This has really got nothing to do with whether I like the film or not. Obviously other people do like it and they're free to do that but it's a movie, I, personally, don't happen to have a very high opinion of.

adamchabbi6
09-21-2011, 05:07 PM
I remember the film, he was offered a large amount of cash to play in the film but it is tempting him to star in it even though he isn't told exactly what's going to happen, until it leads to the orphanage, etc. Also, the film is set in Serbia hence why it's called A Serbian Film.

Barbarella
09-21-2011, 05:13 PM
I remember the film, he was offered a large amount of cash to play in the film but it is tempting him to star in it even though he isn't told exactly what's going to happen, until it leads to the orphanage, etc.
The orphanage still has nothing do with what you claimed.


the film is set in Serbia hence why it's called A Serbian Film.
Because, in a nutshell, the writer lacked the imagination to call it anything else.


My argument is basically that this film has got fuck all to do with the situation in Serbia. You seem to think otherwise and your attempts at defending it and trying to convince me aren't very ... convincing.

adamchabbi6
09-21-2011, 05:16 PM
Ok. If you hate the film then fine. Although, you didn't mention your views on censorship?

Barbarella
09-21-2011, 05:22 PM
Ok. If you hate the film the film then fine.
Is that it? You're prepared to defend it no longer?


Although, you didn't mention your views on censorship?
I think there has to be some degree of censorship. Yes, people over 18 are considered adults in many countries and can certainly make up their own minds on what they're prepared to tolerate but when it comes to the mistreatment and cruelty to animals I personally am in favour of those scenes being cut.

VelvetAIDS
09-21-2011, 11:04 PM
Reach the end of A Serbian Film.

Not sure if shameful or triumphant.

ThreeEyedGod
09-22-2011, 12:50 AM
Shameumphant

and I have also recently seen this film and the verdict is...shock for shock value.

adamchabbi6
09-22-2011, 01:38 AM
I think that A Serbian Film has received enough attention and a reputation for being one of the most controversial films of our decade. Although, people need to remember that it is only a movie in the end and people shouldn't take it very seriously, even though the new born porn scene can be difficult to watch. I believe that Srdjan Spasojevic (the director) really wanted to push the limits with that film and he really achieved his aim. The writer said himself, that the film needs to give the full punch.

Whereas for Barbarella's comment, I understand your point on censoring animal cruelty. Although if you've seen Cannibal Holocaust, the slaughter scenes of the turtle and the monkey may seem really sickening but the intention was to eat the animals, which you can see in the film after they killed those animals and they didn't kill them for the sake of it. I don't wish anyone this but imagine being stuck in the amazon without any food to eat, the only way you won't stay hungry is to slaughter and eat the animals.

Although, I heard that Ruggero Deodato does regret the animal cruelty scenes in that film.

Barbarella
09-22-2011, 06:22 AM
I think that A Serbian Film has received enough attention and a reputation for being one of the most controversial films of our decade. Although, people need to remember that it is only a movie in the end and people shouldn't take it very seriously, even though the new born porn scene can be difficult to watch. I believe that Srdjan Spasojevic (the director) really wanted to push the limits with that film and he really achieved his aim. The writer said himself, that the film needs to give the full punch.
I'll admit I did go off topic a tad but I don't share any of your opinions about that particular film. Yes, it's only a film, not to be taken seriously, and I don't think anyone is taking it too seriously.

Really though, was there any need for the new born porn scene? That scene and a few others I maintain are there purely for shock value.


Whereas for Barbarella's comment, I understand your point on censoring animal curelty. Although if you've seen Cannibal Holocaust, the slaughter scenes of the turtle and the monkey may seem really sickening but the intention was to eat the animals, which you can see in the film after they killed those animals and they didn't kill them for the sake of it.


I don't wish anyone this but imagine being stuck in the amazon without any food to eat, the only way you won't stay hungry is to slaughter and eat the animals.
Sorry, but the difference is that this isn't real life. Those people weren't starving and nothing can condone the actual animal slaughter that took place. I believe that six or seven animals where killed during production. To me that's inexcusable and unnecessary. Things could have been portrayed in a different way.


Although, I heard that Ruggero Deodato does regret the animal cruelty scenes in that film.
So he should.

adamchabbi6
09-22-2011, 06:30 AM
@Barbarella, I know that it wasn't real life. Although, it does leave audiences with the idea of what it's like to be stuck in the amazon. Whereas for the animal killings, I think 2 monkeys were killed whilst making the film because one scene didn't work out well, so they had to kill another monkey to re shoot the scene.

Cannibal Holocaust is not the only cannibal film to contain animal slaughter, there is: Cannibal Ferox and Man from Deep River which had real animals slaughtered as well. You wouldn't see any other film nowadays that would contain real animals being slaughtered, since the directors wouldn't get away with it these days.

The Empirical Guy
09-22-2011, 06:51 AM
I believe that all art should be free. Given that a film is made within a set of guidelines, who's to say what a person is and isn't allowed to watch? By that I mean, to think that a film contained the actual slaughter of animals just for entertainment value is horrendous. However, if such acts were only simulated, and the animals were not actually harmed, then who has the right to stop anyone watching a film about animals being slaughtered, if that's what they want to watch?
In a way, this is related to not censoring the film, but censoring the act itself. A film of animal cruelty should not be allowed. A film about animal cruelty is ok. Just last week here in Australia, the federal police had a big crack down on websites that were hosting child pornography, in a sense they have 'censored' it. However, they haven't done anything to stop the people making the child porn, the ones actually abusing the children and doing the harmful act. The internet is not short of space to distribute child porn - they'll just set up shop somewhere else. They should forget the websites and go after the people making the offending material. But I digress.
Anyway, if the film is not real, and only uses special effects or implied events, they can do whatever they like. There are plenty of people out there being cruel to animals off film to worry about people pretending to be while the camera's rolling.

Barbarella
09-22-2011, 07:01 AM
By that I mean, to think that a film contained the actual slaughter of animals just for entertainment value is horrendous.
Of course.


However, if such acts were only simulated, and the animals were not actually harmed
The film in question as you know is Cannibal Holocaust and the animals were actually slaughtered. That much we know.

I've digressed as well actually, but what the hell.

I was reading about the crackdown on child pornography in Australia recently in the papers and I believe that among the 150 arrested were a police officer and the manager of a child-care centre.

I think you could debate all day about whether things we see in cinema have an affect on people or not. Yes, there are people out there who are swayed by what they see and they then go copy it but of course most of us can make up our own minds and are sensible about such things. Pros and cons.

S.D.
09-22-2011, 08:23 AM
Funnily enough, some friends and I were discussing A Serbian Film last night. The verdict? It's a pile of shit. I don't care whether it was an experiment in Serbian movie-making boundaries, I don't even really care how graphic or underhanded the scenarios or scenes within it are, it's still a shit film. Art and entertainment are supposed to provoke a reaction in the audience, not leave them wondering what the point was.
Yes, it's grim and violent, and yes it pushes the envelope, but a little like Baise Moi before it, the film is still poorly executed and offers nothing to the viewer besides re-establishing whatever their moral compass already navigated towards.
I also like telling people who haven't seen it that Milos looks like David Spader, because it prevents you from taking the film remotely seriously thereafter.

Censorship overall? Well like Empirical said, art is not a rulebook, show what you feel is necessary in your work if there is a guiding reason, otherwise what you've produced is redundant.

VelvetAIDS
09-22-2011, 12:19 PM
I also like telling people who haven't seen it that Milos looks like David Spader.

I COULDN'T STOP THINKING THAT! God....it makes his sex scenes even more disturbing.