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Norsefire
12-14-2011, 08:02 AM
Wednesday 29 February 2012
SIDEWAVE
Venue: Enmore Theatre
Location: Sydney, Australia

http://www.providermodule.com/tour/thread_graphics/sidewave_post.jpg

MARILYN MANSON
COAL CHAMBER
WEDNESDAY 13
MOTIONLESS IN WHITE

www.soundwavefestival.com (http://www.soundwavefestival.com) - www.facebook.com/soundwavefestival (http://www.facebook.com/soundwavefestival)








Members Attending:


The Empirical Guy

Dysmorphia
Jezstyle
Celiny-O
GOTHVAMP666
plastique303

The Empirical Guy
12-15-2011, 03:07 PM
Ok, tickets purchased, count me and Dysmorphia in.

jezstyle
12-15-2011, 07:04 PM
Count me and Celine-0 in. Just brought tickets today.

Norsefire
12-16-2011, 08:35 AM
Awesome. Have a great time you lucky fuckers!!
Can't wait for something in the UK.

GOTHVAMP666
12-26-2011, 06:00 PM
I'll Be There

Dysmorphia
12-27-2011, 02:50 AM
Awesome, it would be lovely to all meet up! Really looking forward to it. :)

jezstyle
02-28-2012, 02:34 PM
I'll be at Door 7 (front GA) a few hours early, dressed in black, mo / goatee combo. Come say hi! :D

Gonna try and get some footage or photos too...

Zsa Zsa
02-28-2012, 02:41 PM
If Angel With The Scabbed Wings is performed, I expect videos. Don't come back if you don't get any. :]

Cringeon
02-28-2012, 02:58 PM
Doors open in about 10hrs (7pm Sydney) but no idea on what time MM actually plays. One good thing about this time differece, I can sleep and wake up to news :p

plastique303
02-28-2012, 04:54 PM
I'll be there. My first MM gig that's not been in England. There's no way I could miss this during my month in Sydney!!

AppleOfSodom
02-28-2012, 06:57 PM
If Angel With The Scabbed Wings is performed, I expect videos. Don't come back if you don't get any. :]

eheh dangerous Zsa Zsa!

I wish i was in australia! Have fun guys and rock the fuck out! Then tell us all about it!

smokeweed
02-28-2012, 09:18 PM
Manson's stage techs are currently soundchecking. Wondering what time band soundcheck will be

thousand_kisses
02-28-2012, 09:25 PM
bands usually soundcheck between 5 - 6 p.m. in my experience...

sometimes it goes a little later and delays the doors opening for the show, i've had that happen a couple times.

smokeweed
02-28-2012, 10:30 PM
Band sound checked at 4pm. Played: Rock is Dead, Little Horn, and Irressponsible Hate Anthem. No Manson present. Band in black jeans and tees. No makeup. Sounded great

plastique303
02-28-2012, 11:27 PM
Maybe Manson didn't want to get wet on his way to the Enmore? I wish it would stop raining, Australia isn't supposed to be wet in the summer!!

Stage times are now on the Enmore website:

7:00PM DOORS / 7:30PM MOTIONLESS IN WHITE / 8:20PM WEDNESDAY 13 / 9:10PM COAL CHAMBER / 10:20PM MARILYN MANSON

smokeweed
02-28-2012, 11:31 PM
I doubt Manson ever soundchecks. Vocals don't really need to be sound checked.

FeedYourHead
02-28-2012, 11:51 PM
Band sound checked at 4pm. Band in black jeans and tees. No makeup. Sounded great
Would love pics of that

Golden Eel
02-28-2012, 11:59 PM
I doubt Manson ever soundchecks. Vocals don't really need to be sound checked.

Why would vocals be any different from other instruments in the soundchecking process?

smokeweed
02-29-2012, 12:09 AM
Why would vocals be any different from other instruments in the soundchecking process?

Because it's just a single microphone. It's not a drum kit with multiple mics. It's also easy to fit the vocals in the mix come show time, no panning involved. So not too important, so Manson probably doesn't bother.

smokeweed
02-29-2012, 12:12 AM
Would love pics of that

Imagine the band dressed in black jeans and tees on a stage with no crowd lol. That's all it is :-) they literally just stand there, jam through the songs and leave. Twiggy plays random guitar bits in between songs. But other than that not too exciting.

FIGHTMF
02-29-2012, 02:27 AM
I'm gonna be pissed off if they get some different songs in a way. He shoulda done at least 1 of Hate Anthem/Angel in Brisbane. Or evem Crucifiction.

Yeah bitch bitch, the crowd was awesome. We deserved it.

rusty shackleford
02-29-2012, 04:22 AM
I would love to hear random Twiggy riffs lol. Well I can't stay up any longer I'll check back before work tomorrow....Here's to them hopefully playing Angel!

NapalmHeart
02-29-2012, 04:57 AM
Solly ‏ @mechanicalshdws

This is fucking amazing too hard for pics amine everywhere band sounded amazing 1) anti Christ 2) disposable teens

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Solly ‏ @mechanicalshdws

Love song

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Solly ‏ @mechanicalshdws

Holy fucking shit can't tweet now will do after show but fuck dont ever judge thus band from shitty YouTube cam clips!!!

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Solly ‏ @mechanicalshdws

Oh god I think I have a broken toe and 2 cracked ribs but fuck that was amazing. Need to head back to hotel, shower then ill tweet it all

Scorpion
02-29-2012, 05:05 AM
Nevermind, sorry. Naplam beat me to it.

smokeweed
02-29-2012, 05:24 AM
Tonight's setlist

Manson's performance was amazing. Just shows he doesn't care about festival sets. He had energy and a great scream, he wasn't fucking around tonight. it was intense.

ACS
Disposable teens
The love song (mm came in late! When u come in late with programmed loops/drugs it messes the whole song up. They did their best to hide the mistake and all the effects coming in early)
Little horn
Dope show*
Rock is dead
Personal Jesus*
Mobscene
Sweet dreams
1996 spoken
Encore \ beautiful people (Manson came in way to early, twiggy looks at him and shacks his head)

Notes: Girl sits on side of stage. Could be mm girlfriend.

Written in phone. Sorry.*

Scorpion
02-29-2012, 05:45 AM
He's missing a lot of the tempo these days. Wow. It's stupid to miss those things. He's singing for more than 20 years. Argh. That aside, his voice and attitude are great this tour, indeed. The band as well.

NapalmHeart
02-29-2012, 06:02 AM
It always took him a while to get into it. I've seen him fuck up in 1995/1997 too. All I want for this tour is that they'll work on the setlist and bring some exciting things on stage. Manson's voice is in great form, maybe he'll start being more active on stage too.

Scorpion
02-29-2012, 06:08 AM
It always took him a while to get into it. I've seen him fuck up in 1995/1997 too. All I want for this tour is that they'll work on the setlist and bring some exciting things on stage. Manson's voice is in great form, maybe he'll start being active on stage too.
Never seen it. Links? Also, as I said, after 20 years it's kinda annoying that every show he's missing something at TBP or others.

Heather Quick
02-29-2012, 06:26 AM
http://distilleryimage9.instagram.com/95127ffe62c611e19896123138142014_7.jpg

http://distilleryimage3.instagram.com/3f0b26a262ac11e19e4a12313813ffc0_7.jpg

http://instagr.am/p/HlmdTDgqm9/

http://instagr.am/p/HlQ4h8xRUL/

Golden Eel
02-29-2012, 06:34 AM
Six hours for lunch/dinner? I want to work for these guys.

Heather Quick
02-29-2012, 06:48 AM
The pink make up *-*

Scorpion
02-29-2012, 07:03 AM
Such a beautiful make-up. Awesome pictures.

MythAmfetamineXtreme
02-29-2012, 07:23 AM
This looks Great !!!

Heather Quick
02-29-2012, 09:25 AM
http://www.marilynmanson.com.br/galeria/albums/userpics/10002/Marilyn_Manson_Ao_Vivo_2012_062.jpg

Heather Quick
02-29-2012, 11:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEztFxlFbFU

spaceSuicide
02-29-2012, 04:00 PM
Safe to say every setlist during this part of the tour will remain absolutely the same.

Norsefire
02-29-2012, 04:12 PM
Thanks for all the updates and info, It's always nice to read what happened at the shows. Some really cool photographs popping up now.

plastique303
02-29-2012, 04:44 PM
I loved the gig, The Enmore does seem a great place to go. MM and the band were on top form. MM seemed to be having a go at someone during the spoken word bit, I thought it was interesting he wanted to know what music the person listened to as he doens't like his own music.
Personally, I could've done without the three support acts as none of them did anything for me. When the Motionless In White singer said everyone would know the cover song he was wrong, I didn't ;) Then again I'm not into a lot of this type of music, I was there for MM :) It's a shame I won't be in Sydney for Aphex Twin tomorrow as he'll be amazing too!
The pics posted so far are great.

Scorpion
02-29-2012, 04:51 PM
I loved the gig, The Enmore does seem a great place to go. MM and the band were on top form. MM seemed to be having a go at someone during the spoken word bit, I thought it was interesting he wanted to know what music the person listened to as he doens't like his own music.
Personally, I could've done without the three support acts as none of them did anything for me. When the Motionless In White singer said everyone would know the cover song he was wrong, I didn't ;) Then again I'm not into a lot of this type of music, I was there for MM :) It's a shame I won't be in Sydney for Aphex Twin tomorrow as he'll be amazing too!
The pics posted so far are great.

If you went to the show, could you please share (more of) your opinion about it, please?
How Manson was, Twiggy, if had anything unsual, new, etc etc.

Norsefire
02-29-2012, 05:09 PM
There's some really cool photographs on this website: http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/gallery/26712/Marilyn-Manson/photo#18

Pics of Fred and Twiggy in there as well, Twiggy is wearing a mask.

petticoat
02-29-2012, 05:22 PM
http://marilynmansonfrance.free.fr/photos/displayimage.php?album=350&pos=9

I love this pic. Houston in May (unless they add New Orleans) will be my first ever time to see MM live and I feel a lot like what I think people who go to see the pope or the holy land feel. I want to be right up front so I can touch his hand. Sweat or spit are also options. Think what you want, I don't care. I'm not going to take pictures, I'm not going to tweet, I'm going for dna baby. Dee to the IN to the Aye. *pre-swoon*

I just hope I can get to the front and once there, don't get crushed. I'm also in the first year of my early forties and could be cranky if someone tries to crawl over my shoulders.

VV_
02-29-2012, 05:26 PM
larger quality now up here: https://www.facebook.com/kingofcrob

Benjamin
02-29-2012, 06:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_nvWOCL1ic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJrjQLsyqQI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSaYHQJeb7c

http://s3.amazonaws.com/musicnetwork/public/galleries/503/jakobdezwart-manson-lowres-7528_647x432.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/musicnetwork/public/galleries/503/jakobdezwart-manson-lowres-7745_647x432.jpg

http://www.themusicnetwork.com/gallery/live-music-photos/live/marilyn-manson-enmore-theatre-sydney

Norsefire
02-29-2012, 06:53 PM
Those are some really fucking awesome photographs right there. Check out this one of MM and Fred.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/musicnetwork/public/galleries/503/jakobdezwart-manson-lowres-7711_647x432.jpg

Scorpion
02-29-2012, 07:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-TLh2-Yd2Q&list=UUY20z17k2VJlNSUfE6MfmFg&index=1&feature=plcp

He ALWAYS do that in SD. People are singing one part, then he interrupts with another. Haha.

Also, TERRIBLE that Manson began like 3 hours early on TBP. Goddamnit.
But that aside, awesome! :)

johncraze
02-29-2012, 07:36 PM
^ @2:44 That SCREAM got to my spine.

I'm sure this tour is going to blow the two previous ones off the water.

Dysmorphia
02-29-2012, 07:48 PM
IT WAS AWESOME!!! Manson and the band were excellent, clearly enjoying themselves as much as we were. Manson was in top form, energetic and interacting a lot with the crowd (some more than others, lol). It was easily one of the best shows I have ever seen and I caught one of Twiggy's picks. :3
The setlist was the same as Soudwave.
There was a pretty brunette watching at the side of the stage, not sure who she was...



I loved the gig, The Enmore does seem a great place to go. MM and the band were on top form. MM seemed to be having a go at someone during the spoken word bit, I thought it was interesting he wanted to know what music the person listened to as he doens't like his own music.


That was The Empirical Guy, I'll let him recount the story, it was fucking hilarious.

ImNotJesus
02-29-2012, 09:20 PM
See, it's looking to me like these are some pretty awesome performances!!

I just don't understand what happened at Soundwave...

EDIT: Well, yes I do. I just wish it hadn't.

The Empirical Guy
02-29-2012, 10:54 PM
I loved the gig, The Enmore does seem a great place to go. MM and the band were on top form. MM seemed to be having a go at someone during the spoken word bit, I thought it was interesting he wanted to know what music the person listened to as he doens't like his own music.
Personally, I could've done without the three support acts as none of them did anything for me. When the Motionless In White singer said everyone would know the cover song he was wrong, I didn't ;) Then again I'm not into a lot of this type of music, I was there for MM :) It's a shame I won't be in Sydney for Aphex Twin tomorrow as he'll be amazing too!
The pics posted so far are great.

Ha, that was me. I'm waiting for a video to surface on Youtube hopefully as I can't remember exact details on everything that was said. When he started repeating "No reason" in the spoken word bit and then stopped suddenly I yelled out "No reason!" and he looked down at me. He was asking if I liked 'no reason', or if I didn't like his music, and if I wanted to finish his show for him and I put my fists up in a fighting pose, because I thought obviously the best thing to do was antagonize Marilyn Manson. He said "oh, you want to fight me?" and I put my hands up in surrender. After they played the next chorus he came over and asked if it made me feel tougher, or gayer, and that I shouldn't discriminate because it made him feel a little of both. He wasn't having a go, he was just joking around. I think he's really having fun doing that song live like that again.

The show was fucking excellent though, Manson was ON.FORM with a capital fucking full stop. Sure, he made some mistakes and came in early in both The Beautiful People and The Love Song (which completely threw Twiggy for the rest of the song... poor guy looked so confused), but all in all it was a great show. He was being fucking vicious but having fun at the same time.

He had a new hat-type thing that had lasers around it similar to the ones on his fingers that he used previously during Cruci-Fiction In Space, so the lasers shot out in about 4 or 5 different directions from his head. Hopefully some photos or video will turn up soon, kinda hard to describe. He's got a steam gun that's like a high pressure smoke machine that he blasts people with as well during TBP. Digging it.

There was this really pretty girl with an enjoyable amount of cleavage on display that was front and centre that obviously caught his eye, he kept going and grabbing her forearm and trying to forcibly drag her up on to the stage, but she either didn't get what he was trying to do or seemed hesitant to go.

Rest of the band was great as well, fuck anyone who says Twiggy shouldn't be on guitar. He smashed it. He has a new spin on things that I like.

One thing though that has bothered me, while a lot of the keyboard parts and drum loops have been moved to a backing track, it seems that none of the parts for Disposable Teens have been done. Most notably the second drum part that Pogo/ Vrenna used to play is missing, it makes the song seems quite a bit more empty and highlights the lack of a keyboardist the most, I think, though on other songs once you get past the fact we're so used to seeing 5 people on stage, you don't notice it so much.

Fred and Sutter played great again, really fitting in, though Sutter was quite a bit back on the stage and what I mentioned from Soundwave about him not having as much presence as Ginger was reinforced to me, he did have the feel of someone new to the band or a hired session guy, though he looks the part and certainly makes a damn good attempt at it. If he sticks around and gets the feel of things a bit more I reckon he'll work out good. Not Ginger, but a bloody good alternative.

Good to see some Provider Module friends again and for the first time, we had me, Dysmorphia, Celiny-O, Mary and Marshall all in a line along the barrier. If anyone remembers Daydream Milk from the 'phant, he was there too so was cool to meet him... not sure if he ever came over here after the 'phant went down? I don't think Mary comes round here much anymore either, so I hope she won't mind me reposting this photo she took. Provider Module represent!

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/428178_399761786717341_100000505690581_1588532_579 384260_n.jpg

Benjamin
03-01-2012, 12:15 AM
Review: http://www.themusicnetwork.com/reviews/live/2012/03/01/live-review-marilyn-manson/


1996


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUaYhpNXW2E

Celiny-O
03-01-2012, 01:10 AM
Brilliant. Enough said.

It was also awesome to meet Provider Module members for the first time!

vonrueden09
03-01-2012, 02:01 AM
I really hoped a new song would have been played here. Manson did say "New music: Born Villain, is coming out in February"

Everyone thought that meant the whole album but I figured we'd at least get a song.

agirlcalledcoma
03-01-2012, 02:17 AM
When the Motionless In White singer said everyone would know the cover song he was wrong, I didn't ;) Then again I'm not into a lot of this type of music, I was there for MM :)

Haha Chris said that because it was Dragula by Rob Zombie. Most people generally know Zombie's music :P

Benjamin
03-01-2012, 03:45 AM
http://musicfeeds.com.au/wp-content/gallery/d5971fe5cff3cd90c0d7fd22c24f32cb/f56ba626bc323c4b03f941c712b156c9.jpg

Review + photos: http://musicfeeds.com.au/gig/marilyn-manson-coal-chamber-wednesday-13-enmore-theatre-29022012/

Enigma
03-01-2012, 04:41 AM
Another really bad review... Damn.

The Empirical Guy
03-01-2012, 05:06 AM
Seriously, what show was this guy at? No one here has done anything other than rave about how good it was, and a quick look at the videos from the night will back it up... I seriously wonder if the writer is delusional or just making stuff up to support some kind of weird vendetta against Manson. Other complaints, such as his crawling around on stage, seem inflated as he kept it to a minimum and in any case, there is loads of video evidence going back at least 10 years showing it, so it's not like you didn't know it was a part of his performance. Saying Manson has no desire to play the songs people have loved for so long just show the guy's ignorance and make him look like a complete twat... short or replacing Personal Jesus with something off Portrait or maybe Coma White, this setlist as an old school fan's dream... or was he hanging on to hear the big hits, like Heart Shaped Glasses? Fucking Little Horn and 1996 man, people were loving it! These journalists write like their on more drugs than they claim Manson is!

Enigma
03-01-2012, 05:42 AM
Seriously, what show was this guy at? No one here has done anything other than rave about how good it was, and a quick look at the videos from the night will back it up... I seriously wonder if the writer is delusional or just making stuff up to support some kind of weird vendetta against Manson. Other complaints, such as his crawling around on stage, seem inflated as he kept it to a minimum and in any case, there is loads of video evidence going back at least 10 years showing it, so it's not like you didn't know it was a part of his performance. Saying Manson has no desire to play the songs people have loved for so long just show the guy's ignorance and make him look like a complete twat... short or replacing Personal Jesus with something off Portrait or maybe Coma White, this setlist as an old school fan's dream... or was he hanging on to hear the big hits, like Heart Shaped Glasses? Fucking Little Horn and 1996 man, people were loving it! These journalists write like their on more drugs than they claim Manson is!

From what I've seen, I can't say it was an amazing show or something really out of his nowadays standards, but it didn't seem so bad as this guy says. In fact, it seemed like he was better than other shows and something you could really enjoy.

agirlcalledcoma
03-01-2012, 07:46 AM
Wow that review was awful and uncalled for. Whoever wrote that said some really immature and unnecessary things at the end. I have read many more good reviews, especially for this show. People seemed to have LOVED this show. So gtfo butt hurt journalist.

AppleOfSodom
03-01-2012, 08:27 AM
I'm glad you guys had serious fun over there, and great pic of you all. And yes, from what I've seen it seemed a pretty good performance too so fuck the biased and unprepared reviews, what really matters is your emotions not someonelses delusion or opinion. Besides, making friends amoung journalists was never an hobbie for Manson :) keep up with the good spirit! Just hope i can still get a portuguese date for the first leg, or i'll have to fly to another country which can also be an adventure :)

arkahno
03-01-2012, 10:55 AM
Review + photos: http://musicfeeds.com.au/gig/marilyn-manson-coal-chamber-wednesday-13-enmore-theatre-29022012/

Maybe the journalist was in the wrong show for his tastes, sure he must review jonnas brothers shows instead.

Whisky And Speed
03-01-2012, 12:48 PM
Maybe the journalist was in the wrong show for his tastes, sure he must review jonnas brothers shows instead.

Very well said.I think the journalist should try teen emo bands too.

Dogbait
03-01-2012, 01:08 PM
That review was spot on.

First up I should say Twiggy, Fred and the drummer were on fire. They were absolutely amazing. Twiggy looked fucking pissed off several times... And like someone has already said, if you don't like Twiggy on guitar get over it - the guy is suited for the role.

Manson was atrocious. He could barely stand up, spent the majority of the show on the ground mumbling lyrics when he remembered what they were........ Or other times he just gave up, threw the mic away and stood at the back of the stage. People were walking out, making fun of him between songs because he was just that bad. I've seen Manson 5 times and each time its gone downhill, the guy needs rehab and he should learn to perform once again. He looked like a clown, a former shadow of what he once was.

Coal Chamber upstaged Marilyn Manson.

Cringeon
03-01-2012, 01:11 PM
With the exception of coming in early, I have yet to see a damn thing drom any of these shows that match the critiques on MM.

Dogbait
03-01-2012, 01:12 PM
Some people enjoy trainwrecks, I don't.

Dogbait
03-01-2012, 01:17 PM
Maybe the journalist was in the wrong show for his tastes, sure he must review jonnas brothers shows instead.

No. Because it clearly states positive things about Coal Chamber and Wednesday 13, both far from the Jonas Brothers genre of music. Like I said, the review was spot on, every negative review I've read has been spot on.

Scorpion
03-01-2012, 01:23 PM
Of course he's not better than 1994~2003 live, but for SURE it is better than 2004~2009. And I don't see where is the ''CRAWLING MUMBLING TERRIBLE CAN'T SING KEEPS BACKSTAGE ALL THE TIME'' thing. He sure isn't like his best days, but he's not terrible. Not at all. Wanna see something terrible? Go check half of AAG, ROTW and THEOL tours. They are, indeed, terrible. Wanna see something terrible in this tour? Manson coming in too early on a couple of songs. It is terrible, I agree. But I can't see where the shows are completely fucked up, serious.

Dogbait
03-01-2012, 01:37 PM
It's not even about coming in early on a song that he should know quite well now given how long he has been playing it.... I couldn't careless about that, he simply is just not good anymore, the majority of people I heard after the show were using the word "retire" to describe what Manson should do next. The High End of Low tour was miles ahead of the mess I witnessed Wednesday night. The guy just doesn't seem to care, he can talk big in interviews (which he has a habit of doing) about how he cares etc but seeing him on stage its obvious he'd rather down a bottle of booze and put on a show that shows the complete opposite.

I don't expect many People on a Manson message board to agree with me but the facts are - the guy is a mess and needs to step away, clean up his act and find the fire that is missing. I personally hope he finds it.

Tigger
03-01-2012, 02:28 PM
I really want to hear videos of Manson slurring, mumbling, and forgetting all the lyrics. I keep hearing of people talking about it but every time I see a video from these shows, the slurring, mumbling, forgetting all the lyrics are not on there. :(

MythAmfetamineXtreme
03-01-2012, 03:13 PM
I really want to hear videos of Manson slurring, mumbling, and forgetting all the lyrics. I keep hearing of people talking about it but every time I see a video from these shows, the slurring, mumbling, forgetting all the lyrics are not on there. :(

yess thats what im looking for too,
i cant find the mumbling slurring and total blackouts of Manson
because i wonder what te people are talking about the Vid's ive seen are Good and the only thing i dont like is the spoken version of 1996 because he is making it sound like it isnt serious thats too bad but who am i to judge his choice to fuck himself down
last Tour in Holland he was best last Playing an Asshole by stopping early not playing ACSS
in a strange way i respected that
im fan from the spookykids era and still he's the only artist i listen to every day.
i cant wait to see him here in Tilburg Holland it sold out and i expect this time to be an Awesome Night...

spaceSuicide
03-01-2012, 03:22 PM
Of course he's not better than 1994~2003 live, but for SURE it is better than 2004~2009. And I don't see where is the ''CRAWLING MUMBLING TERRIBLE CAN'T SING KEEPS BACKSTAGE ALL THE TIME'' thing. He sure isn't like his best days, but he's not terrible. Not at all. Wanna see something terrible? Go check half of AAG, ROTW and THEOL tours. They are, indeed, terrible. Wanna see something terrible in this tour? Manson coming in too early on a couple of songs. It is terrible, I agree. But I can't see where the shows are completely fucked up, serious.

Actually, I'm inclined to disagree. I found the performances and everything of the Rape of the World Tour to be top line.

MythAmfetamineXtreme
03-01-2012, 03:30 PM
Yeah indeed the Rape of the World Tour had a great Performance over here,EMDM isnot by far my Favorite CD but then that tour at least the event over here in holland was a BigShow

Scorpion
03-01-2012, 03:55 PM
Actually, I'm inclined to disagree. I found the performances and everything of the Rape of the World Tour to be top line.

Hmmm. I feel like AAG~EMDM tours had good normal singing-voice, but weak screams by Manson, I don't know why, I just didn't like it. THEOL ones were powerful, but normal voice was terrible. Now it seems to be in a mid-term. At least to me, it sounds better in this tour. BUT, I miss the theatrics of EMDM, AAG and Grotesk Burlesk i.e.. And I think they'll come back soon, so I'm waiting for it.

Whisky And Speed
03-01-2012, 04:01 PM
the best in terms of screams and normal voice were GGG tour and AAG tour.Now seems much better than 2009.

Gloominatus
03-01-2012, 04:50 PM
I hear what people are saying on both sides of this issue and I think everyone has a fair point. I was lucky enough to see Manson four times: in 2000 for Guns God and Government, 2003 for Grotesk Burlesk, 2004 for Against All Gods, and 2008 for Rape of the World, and it was a mixed bag of shows. I enjoyed all of them, don't get me wrong, and had a blast and everything. But things definitely changed after a certain point. The first two shows I saw, the band was tight and Manson still had a lot of the frightening intensity of the "Antichrist Superstar" and "Mechanical Animals" days. Even though the Grotesk Burlesk show I saw was not a high point for MM, on a technical level everything was great. When I saw them just a year later in 2004, things were notably different. Manson was visibly drunk and falling around on the stage, he screwed up the lyrics a bunch of times, and he seemed to be struggling with his vocals a lot more than usual. (And I am taking into account that he's never had perfect or pristine vocals in a live setting, nor does he need them. He's a punk rock singer, after all, not Celine Dion). The band itself was also sloppier than normal. I actually enjoyed seeing him not trying as hard to be larger than life and superhuman. I thought it was cool, but it was definitely diminished on a technical level. In 2008, things were tighter with Twiggy back in the band, but Manson still seemed to be struggling a bit, though his delivery was better.

Obviously I wasn't in attendance for any of these Australian shows, and it's difficult to judge a performance based on footage shot from people's cell phones. I wouldn't call anything I've seen so far mindblowing, but again I wasn't there and it's quite different when you're actually at a concert. I can see how someone could be disappointed with Manson's vocal delivery, since he does seem a little out of breath and also has been coming in too early on some songs, and it is fairly certain that he's drunk and behaving belligerently to some of the tech people. (Worth noting he has always had trouble being out of breath onstage, though, and he abused stagehands much much worse in the late 90s than he does now). Maybe he's still getting into the groove of things, considering these are warm up shows. Or maybe he's igniting another live performance downward spiral where he'll seem physically ill on stage, like on some of the High End of Low tour.

I would like him to be doing awesome, because he's one of my favorites and I don't want to see him drink and snort himself to death. But he can't recreate 1997, and I'm willing to accept that things are just different now. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and when I see him on the new tour, I hope he has a newfound fire. But even if he's just smashed, I'm sure it will still be a good time. And those reviews from the Australian music press did seem pretty mean-spirited. Even if you thought Manson was shit onstage there were a lot of ways to be more constructive than that.

TheTeletubbieFlasher
03-01-2012, 04:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZAvlJyKZ1o

Scorpion
03-01-2012, 05:01 PM
Awesome reading Gloominatus.

Also, in this video above, Twiggy was mad at him and walked off-stage, and Manson had to go there to ask him to come back or am I going crazy?

Whisky And Speed
03-01-2012, 05:07 PM
I hear what people are saying on both sides of this issue and I think everyone has a fair point. I was lucky enough to see Manson four times: in 2000 for Guns God and Government, 2003 for Grotesk Burlesk, 2004 for Against All Gods, and 2008 for Rape of the World, and it was a mixed bag of shows. I enjoyed all of them, don't get me wrong, and had a blast and everything. But things definitely changed after a certain point. The first two shows I saw, the band was tight and Manson still had a lot of the frightening intensity of the "Antichrist Superstar" and "Mechanical Animals" days. Even though the Grotesk Burlesk show I saw was not a high point for MM, on a technical level everything was great. When I saw them just a year later in 2004, things were notably different. Manson was visibly drunk and falling around on the stage, he screwed up the lyrics a bunch of times, and he seemed to be struggling with his vocals a lot more than usual. (And I am taking into account that he's never had perfect or pristine vocals in a live setting, nor does he need them. He's a punk rock singer, after all, not Celine Dion). The band itself was also sloppier than normal. I actually enjoyed seeing him not trying as hard to be larger than life and superhuman. I thought it was cool, but it was definitely diminished on a technical level. In 2008, things were tighter with Twiggy back in the band, but Manson still seemed to be struggling a bit, though his delivery was better.

Obviously I wasn't in attendance for any of these Australian shows, and it's difficult to judge a performance based on footage shot from people's cell phones. I wouldn't call anything I've seen so far mindblowing, but again I wasn't there and it's quite different when you're actually at a concert. I can see how someone could be disappointed with Manson's vocal delivery, since he does seem a little out of breath and also has been coming in too early on some songs, and it is fairly certain that he's drunk and behaving belligerently to some of the tech people. (Worth noting he has always had trouble being out of breath onstage, though, and he abused stagehands much much worse in the late 90s than he does now). Maybe he's still getting into the groove of things, considering these are warm up shows. Or maybe he's igniting another live performance downward spiral where he'll seem physically ill on stage, like on some of the High End of Low tour.

I would like him to be doing awesome, because he's one of my favorites and I don't want to see him drink and snort himself to death. But he can't recreate 1997, and I'm willing to accept that things are just different now. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and when I see him on the new tour, I hope he has a newfound fire. But even if he's just smashed, I'm sure it will still be a good time. And those reviews from the Australian music press did seem pretty mean-spirited. Even if you thought Manson was shit onstage there were a lot of ways to be more constructive than that.

this,well enough said.

Whisky And Speed
03-01-2012, 05:27 PM
Awesome reading Gloominatus.

Also, in this video above, Twiggy was mad at him and walked off-stage, and Manson had to go there to ask him to come back or am I going crazy?

I am afraid to say that you have gone too far! it's not the first time for twiggy to be mad at Manson or if he wasn't mad so it is just a stage prop.we need the opinion of someone who attended the show here.

Norsefire
03-01-2012, 06:01 PM
Ha, that was me. I'm waiting for a video to surface on Youtube hopefully as I can't remember exact details on everything that was said. When he started repeating "No reason" in the spoken word bit and then stopped suddenly I yelled out "No reason!" and he looked down at me. He was asking if I liked 'no reason', or if I didn't like his music, and if I wanted to finish his show for him and I put my fists up in a fighting pose, because I thought obviously the best thing to do was antagonize Marilyn Manson. He said "oh, you want to fight me?" and I put my hands up in surrender. After they played the next chorus he came over and asked if it made me feel tougher, or gayer, and that I shouldn't discriminate because it made him feel a little of both. He wasn't having a go, he was just joking around. I think he's really having fun doing that song live like that again.


That's great, I hope a video pops up of this.

Thanks for the write up, sounds like it was a good show.

Scorpion
03-01-2012, 07:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=02RyqPTva0w

Epic headbang is at 00:58

Norsefire
03-01-2012, 07:34 PM
He had a new hat-type thing that had lasers around it similar to the ones on his fingers that he used previously during Cruci-Fiction In Space, so the lasers shot out in about 4 or 5 different directions from his head. Hopefully some photos or video will turn up soon, kinda hard to describe. He's got a steam gun that's like a high pressure smoke machine that he blasts people with as well during TBP. Digging it.



Here's the video of Antichrist Superstar using the new lasers. It's not the best video, but it's looking good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZVoje_s8io#!

Also, here's a really good review from the show. Totally different to that shit review.

http://www.themusicnetwork.com/reviews/live/2012/03/01/live-review-marilyn-manson/

ComaMJ33
03-01-2012, 10:12 PM
I agree with most everyone else who is viewing these shows by YouTube videos. I haven't really seen any "bad" performances in the videos from the shows I've seen. However, I didn't attend those shows in person being in the USA, but I actually think that from the videos Manson is using less taped vocals behind his own live vocals. I've seen some videos of some older 2000- shows where more vocal parts are clearly on tape. I understand that most bands use tape to an extent live, but personally when I attend concerts I'd rather hear as much "live" performance parts as I can. That's just me though, I happen to like some screw-ups or flaws in each performance that make it unique. Again, it seems most of the harsh reviews are coming from the media, and lets be honest most media critiques of Manson have been critical at best over his entire career. So, that's what I take from it. Also, this band has been playing live together for about two weeks on stage for a crowd, so it should just get better.

Hazekiah
03-01-2012, 10:39 PM
Fuck, yeah. Big ups to everyone who's posted pix and videos and links and reviews and stuff in here!

I think this actually looks like one of the best shows yet. Every single thing I'VE seen from it so far looks and sounds awesome!

Especially THIS:


Ha, that was me. I'm waiting for a video to surface on Youtube hopefully as I can't remember exact details on everything that was said. When he started repeating "No reason" in the spoken word bit and then stopped suddenly I yelled out "No reason!" and he looked down at me. He was asking if I liked 'no reason', or if I didn't like his music, and if I wanted to finish his show for him and I put my fists up in a fighting pose, because I thought obviously the best thing to do was antagonize Marilyn Manson. He said "oh, you want to fight me?" and I put my hands up in surrender. After they played the next chorus he came over and asked if it made me feel tougher, or gayer, and that I shouldn't discriminate because it made him feel a little of both. He wasn't having a go, he was just joking around. I think he's really having fun doing that song live like that again.

That is just fucking FANTASTIC.

:D

And it pretty much matches my last big encounter with him except it was after a show and he started boxing with me, lol. So I think he likes it! But I didn't know wtf to do beyond just shadowboxing either, haha. I wouldn't punch Manson! Well, maybe playfully someday...but definitely NOT while surrounded by his security!

Anyway, right after the boxing he went straight to the gay talk with me too, lol.

LOVE IT.

Glad you had such a kickass time! And I hope some video pops eventually, too...it sounds pretty epic.




Good to see some Provider Module friends again and for the first time, we had me, Dysmorphia, Celiny-O, Mary and Marshall all in a line along the barrier. If anyone remembers Daydream Milk from the 'phant, he was there too so was cool to meet him... not sure if he ever came over here after the 'phant went down? I don't think Mary comes round here much anymore either, so I hope she won't mind me reposting this photo she took. Provider Module represent!

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/428178_399761786717341_100000505690581_1588532_579 384260_n.jpg

So cool you guys all had such a badass Provider Module line-up rocking out on the frontlines!!!

You all look very dapper and classy, perfectly suited to such a lovely theater environment with such exquisite decor and carpeting.

:)

The Empirical Guy
03-02-2012, 01:23 AM
Coal Chamber upstaged Marilyn Manson.

Coal Chamber... was that the band with the immature brat of a drummer who would intentionally knock over parts of his kit 2 or 3 times EVERY SONG, often knocking mics and other gear out of place in the process, causing roadies to have to constantly scurry on and set things up again, which he would use as an opportunity to hit them with his drum sticks?


I really want to hear videos of Manson slurring, mumbling, and forgetting all the lyrics. I keep hearing of people talking about it but every time I see a video from these shows, the slurring, mumbling, forgetting all the lyrics are not on there. :(

This.


That's great, I hope a video pops up of this.

Thanks for the write up, sounds like it was a good show.

So far there's a video that cuts out just before it starts, and another that starts just after the whole thing finished. Apparently everyone else in the audience with a camera was not amused.


Fuck, yeah. Big ups to everyone who's posted pix and videos and links and reviews and stuff in here!

I think this actually looks like one of the best shows yet. Every single thing I'VE seen from it so far looks and sounds awesome!

Especially THIS:



That is just fucking FANTASTIC.

:D

And it pretty much matches my last big encounter with him except it was after a show and he started boxing with me, lol. So I think he likes it! But I didn't know wtf to do beyond just shadowboxing either, haha. I wouldn't punch Manson! Well, maybe playfully someday...but definitely NOT while surrounded by his security!

Anyway, right after the boxing he went straight to the gay talk we me too, lol.

LOVE IT.

Glad you had such a kickass time! And I hope some video pops eventually, too...it sounds pretty epic.



So cool you guys all had such a badass Provider Module line-up rocking out on the frontlines!!!

You all look very dapper and classy, perfectly suited to such a lovely theater environment with such exquisite decor and carpeting.

:)

Well, what's more gay than a sport that centres around two men wearing nothing but silky shorts? It was great though.

agirlcalledcoma
03-02-2012, 01:38 AM
Ahh, both of those videos look so great.

Is it May yet?!

Hazekiah
03-02-2012, 01:42 AM
Well, what's more gay than a sport that centres around two men wearing nothing but silky shorts? It was great though.

Fighting over a purse no less!

And, yeah, I actually really, really wished Manson released some high-end merchandise like the MARILYN and MANSON boxing gloves along with the MM/spiral-heart silk boxing robe that he had made for himself for "The Fight Song" back in the day. I'd love to own those, lol.

Hmm. Come to think of it, football might be even MORE gay than boxing, btw.

Tigger
03-02-2012, 01:50 AM
I didn't look through all the pictures so sorry if these have been posted. Judging by the make up I assume they are from this show. Anyway, picture of MM stealing the lens off someone's camera....


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/421171_10150687759885067_611150066_11548578_163781 006_n.jpg

LOL!

=)

ALPHAMEGA
03-02-2012, 02:25 AM
Born Villain will be The Testament to whether or NOT the Fire is tHERE. Age is something that scares people. Enough to make One loose faith in THEMselves or anything that Might potentially ADD to there Commercial existence. He's a Fool to some. A Hero to Others.
This is Art.

Scorpion
03-02-2012, 09:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqCA3V3oxsM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Gppf3ErQg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxYunqVNTVM

Gloominatus
03-02-2012, 11:15 AM
Fuck, yeah. Big ups to everyone who's posted pix and videos and links and reviews and stuff in here!

I think this actually looks like one of the best shows yet. Every single thing I'VE seen from it so far looks and sounds awesome!

Especially THIS:



That is just fucking FANTASTIC.

:D

And it pretty much matches my last big encounter with him except it was after a show and he started boxing with me, lol. So I think he likes it! But I didn't know wtf to do beyond just shadowboxing either, haha. I wouldn't punch Manson! Well, maybe playfully someday...but definitely NOT while surrounded by his security!

Anyway, right after the boxing he went straight to the gay talk we me too, lol.

LOVE IT.

Glad you had such a kickass time! And I hope some video pops eventually, too...it sounds pretty epic.



So cool you guys all had such a badass Provider Module line-up rocking out on the frontlines!!!

You all look very dapper and classy, perfectly suited to such a lovely theater environment with such exquisite decor and carpeting.

:)


The boxing comment is hilarious. I think it's funny how so many of the recent reviews tend to miss Manson's sense of humor.

It's cool seeing the picture of all you beautiful people attending the show. The girl all the way on the left side of the picture is making me very happy, and I can only see half of her.

So far this forum has been a really cool place to visit.

SysteMM
03-02-2012, 11:50 AM
Was wearing a GOAG era shirt and a jacket with a ACSS logo sewn on, if anyone saw me there:
(Drinking coca-cola in a cafe...No Reason http://i44.tinypic.com/23kar07.jpg)


Camera troubles :(, Here's what I salvaged regardless (LQ).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR0JWRuBeBw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxveeTttEZI&feature=youtu.be

Excellent night, on a side note Coal Chamber (especially the drummer) were berzerk.

Scorpion
03-02-2012, 07:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xVK8L5m0Bc
End of Love Song - Little Horn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THwUp_XQR18
Slices of ''The Dope Show''

Manson is doing some kind of gutural at some parts of Little Horn? I.e. at the end. 3:00

Cringeon
03-02-2012, 08:25 PM
I don't know if that was him, or just the shit mic causing that sound - but it sounded brutal for a millisecond lol

Scorpion
03-02-2012, 08:32 PM
I don't know if that was him, or just the shit mic causing that sound - but it sounded brutal for a millisecond lol

I thought that as well, maybe the guy put his finger where it was supposed to capture the sound or whatever and it distorted the sound, but the rest of the instruments were fine, only his voice sounded like that. And I'm not a big fan of gutural, but indeed it sounded brutal. I asked the guy who uploaded it. Let's see.

Norsefire
03-03-2012, 07:35 AM
Cool review from the show --

http://www.the59thsound.com/marilyn-manson-coal-chamber-wednesday-13-motionless-in-white--the-enmore-sydney-29022012.html

By this stage the room is packed shoulder to shoulder, the seats are full and the black curtain is going up for Marilyn Manson’s big entrance. The atmosphere is tense and heavy, as a heart beat intro is played and smoke machines go into overdrive. As the curtain drops Manson emerges from the haze wearing a crown of lasers on his head and fluoro zinc on each cheek. The audience become a mad rabble as he launches into ‘Antichrist Superstar’ followed by favourite ‘Disposable Teens’. Compared to his set at Soundwave he seems livelier as he yells out ‘Australia!’ and is greeted with screams. Without missing a beat Manson then charges into ‘The Love Song’, a blinding red light bathes him, as engages in call and response with the pulsing crowd.

Manson pauses for a moment to don a top hat and discuss narcotics, asking if people are high and where the ‘special water’ is and this sets up the cue for ‘The Dope Show’ another moment that ramps up the audience’s enthusiasm. ‘Rock is Dead’ is highlighted with bursts of smoke and ends with a shower of confetti, on which in true comical form Manson comments ‘feels like period on the head’. Another cheer goes out for ‘Personal Jesus’ another favourite for the night, this song seems to incite nudity whenever its performed and there were at least three girls quick to get their tops off. At this point in time Manson is showing some of his old spark, rolling around on the floor as he sings, his voice never wavering or losing its power.

There is a short break as the lights dim down again, through the smoke Manson emerges once more this time with a torch attached to his mike. ‘Sweet Dreams’ is met with a roar and is chanted along to with much conviction. This tune really brings out all of colour and character in Manson’s vocals. The band has now relaxed and members Twiggy Ramirez and Fred Sablan seem to have come alive and are more animated than their last show. Manson and Twiggy hug onstage before he continues with spoken word version of ‘1996’. Whenever he performs this song there’s always somebody that doesn’t understand that it’s intentionally spoken, which is the very thing I love about it and never tire of. Thankfully it goes down a treat here, even though there is a break where Manson tells the people in front to shush, ‘shall I continue my poetry open mike night?’ One more brief intermission and Manson is back with his leather cap on this meaning we’re at ‘Beautiful People’, usually the last song. It is a wild finale, Manson is hugging Fred, the drum kits fallen over and everyone’s dancing with everything they’ve got.

Manson surely delivers, but what got me was the contrast between some of his earlier performances and this performance. He’s an intriguing character and an entertainer known for his wild antics on stage, and I couldn’t help but feel it that the performance was very low on energy. The set barely lasted the hour it was scheduled, which I thought left the ticket holders a little short changed, and there was no real encore. However, the mad devotion of his fans and the sheer familiarity of the music played its part in pulling the performance through. It’s the believers that make Manson an institution and if your believers leave your show happy and content, then you must be doing something right.

Nazia Hafiz

Scorpion
03-04-2012, 08:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTU9TZUtx2c
Dope Show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w4bumoGImU
Rock Is Dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8CZSyvoqRQ
1996

The Empirical Guy
03-06-2012, 03:49 AM
Don't think this review has been posted yet. Pretty good write up, but it's not the first time I've seen them reference people being confused during 1996... is it possible that many people at a Manson show have never seen Dead To The World before?

http://www.loudmag.com.au/content/marilyn-manson

The photo. You can just make out Dysmorphia and me on the left, but check out the guy behind the two girls that look like they're laughing to each other. Mildly embarrassed to say I know him.

Celiny-O
03-06-2012, 09:04 PM
^ I can see all of us (except for Mary's boyfriend) in that photo. And I love the review!
And that guy was, uh, nice...

AssetReign
03-14-2012, 10:02 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425267_369242873100806_255899094435185_1284353_182 8583717_n.jpg
Enmore Theatre Sidney, AU
02-29-12
Anthony Crosetta Photography