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Mi-CroMartie
12-22-2011, 06:54 PM
Nice theme and the slow appearing linear title sequence of the 1st Alien movie!

Some say it's a prequel perhaps before Ripley discovered it. :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sftuxbvGwiU

Think I might see this.. Even the spaceship resembles much like in the original Alien movie...

iggy
12-23-2011, 01:23 AM
Apparently it's set in the same universe as Aliens, but isn't about the creature itself.


For example it's been confirmed that the Weyland-Yutani corporation is involved...

Emma
12-23-2011, 02:37 AM
You can see the "space jockey" (0.43 secs) - the alien pilot the Nostromo crew come across just before Kane gets attacked by the Facehugger - oh I am VERY excited about this! And of course thats the "donut" as it was called during filming of the original ship.

Still can't believe we have to wait six months for it though!

Mi-CroMartie
12-23-2011, 04:53 AM
Same here. Charlize Theron and Noomi Rapace (The Swedish girl with the Dragon Tattoo my new crush) are in this.. I dunno which one will be trying to be like the kick-ass character counter-part of Weaver's Ripley.. Even if they tried too be awesome like her character, they're still no match for the original queen alien slayer. :p

ThreeEyedGod
12-23-2011, 08:15 AM
This looks totes ill!

Golden Eel
12-23-2011, 10:12 AM
Would be nice if the trailer showed anything about the story. Looks interesting, though I suppose.

Norsefire
12-23-2011, 08:25 PM
yeah it doesn't give too much away but from that trailer I can't fucking wait to see this film. It looks like it's going to be awesome!

Mi-CroMartie
12-23-2011, 09:16 PM
Apparently it's set in the same universe as Aliens, but isn't about the creature itself.


For example it's been confirmed that the Weyland-Yutani corporation is involved...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/faq#.2.1.2 Interesting read. You may be right. But to me this is my Ridley translation of that interview: "It's not an alien prequel but we're giving references and hints of how the alien ship and disc jockeys appeared in the 1st movie. No aliens but subtle subliminal hints of the Alien franchise."

Norsefire
12-24-2011, 09:57 AM
There's an article in Empire Magazine, doesn't really give too much away either just a few small pieces. I've had it for a few weeks but only just had the time to sit down and read through it.

On going back to ALIEN...

I felt there was still life in the old sod, but it has evolved into something else. To stick to the story, you don't really get it until about eight minutes from the end.

The Empire article basically covers it saying it's an alien prequel but a movie on it's own.
It says Damon Lindelof is one of the writers, he's probably listed online anyway but I didn't read that before and he wrote LOST so this makes me very happy.

2 small pieces of the article talking about the film -


The crew of the Prometheus follow a perplexing message to a planet that will open their eyes and their chests to a new alien race. "A crew of scientists embark on a journey somebody else is paying for."


Even at the time of Alien, some 32 years ago, Scott mentioned he was interested in exploring the origins of the 'Space Jockey', the dead pilot of the derelict "space croissant". He talked about bioengineering and biological warefare as potential themes. Has he been able to satisfy his curiosity in that respect? "Definitely." And what significance can we draw from the pictures slowly being released, especially the giant humanoid 'head' that looms over what Scott terms the "ampule chamber"? "Oh, there's a lot more to it," he says wafting explanations away.
"I've locked up all the sweet stuff..." Including something familiar, perhaps?

Hazekiah
12-30-2011, 08:23 AM
I just hope Lindelof didn't completely jettison all the stuff that made that first, leaked draft of the script so awesome before he came on-board.

It was truly an incredible script and a fascinating read.

Steampunk space battles, hybridized genetic precursors of future-aliens, and telepathically-forced gay-rape for kicks in an Alien prequel...?!?

I AM FUCKING THERE.

O_O

S.Hal0mega.B
03-02-2012, 10:39 AM
Alien
This image ties
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4213020672/tt0078748
and the unforgettable for those aren't familar with the grotesque beauty of them
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1530824448/tt0078748
...
Then there was Aliens
Then it Ended with Alien 3
(followed by cheap cheats of horror loosing the psychological drama/horror/politics/military satire)

Guy pearce
Patrick Wilson
Michael Fassbender (Inglorious Bastards - Hunger)
Now comes two videos.
Watch this one.... imdb trailer scarely found on youtube.... (prometheus T.E.D.) A presentation of the Weyland Corporation - sort of.
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2390728985/

Then this one... (Prometheus below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrF7JNLWyIw&feature=related

They are the prequel to Alien directed by the Teamleader Ridley Scott who was disgusted with (along with always wanting to make a prequel since he made the first one) the cheap cheats of AVP etc since Alien 3. This will make inception look like spongebob squarepants. :DDDDDDDDDDDDD I SHALL NEVER SLEEP. I am obsessed. lol

And guys i know there is a a prometheus trailer but the rarity of the guy pearch imdb trailer and my uber excitement - within that i hope u forgive me. Double Plus Good

Mi-CroMartie
03-02-2012, 05:27 PM
Yeah well how come in the interview Ridley DENIES the prequel comments made by the media?

Already made a thread about it btw. :P

http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/3757-Prometheus

S.Hal0mega.B
03-03-2012, 04:06 AM
seems my obsessive post on this was deleted, no hard feelings.... but this will rival your feelings of anticipation with even more... a 3 minute trailer -sort of of a scene from the movie sorry but i dont know how to link imdb videos to here.
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2390728985/

Norsefire
03-04-2012, 10:05 AM
^ Your original post is two posts above. I just merged the threads together.

The Ghoul
03-04-2012, 02:49 PM
I get this huge boner everytime some new info gets released.

iggy
03-04-2012, 04:54 PM
Ha! That TED video made a reference to Bladerunner.

ThreeEyedGod
03-04-2012, 05:08 PM
Yes, I too cream my self in anticipation for this movie!

S.Hal0mega.B
03-06-2012, 02:32 AM
Yeah well how come in the interview Ridley DENIES the prequel comments made by the media?

Already made a thread about it btw. :P

http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/3757-Prometheus

He didn't want the attention, it was a slip of the mouth. He wanted just to focus on his original dream.

Hazekiah
03-17-2012, 12:44 PM
NEW TRAILER (http://mobile3.influxis.com/pm/viewer/viewer.aspx?stype=pre&sd_width=640&sd_height=360&sd_lo=256&sd_hi=768&hd_width=1280&hd_height=720&hd_lo=768&hd_hi=1536&fid=8G4MZaNoIs8j7HaZIJD%2FcgpZKcG5Z9CzM62oAF1ruBdB DGSfOPu71MFJtYcnpsF3aoTP5iaWQxdju6xjPFTREdSLuZfsYH 1hP052pFiIecQ%3D)


O_O





HOLY SHIT, THAT LOOKS FUCKING BRILLIANT.

Welcome back to the world of Sci-Fi, Ridley...you've been SORELY missed!!!

Anyone who's worried he's lost his touch can STFU and go find a hole to go crawl in and die now, plz.

Sans Agendum
03-17-2012, 01:11 PM
Alien Time Wars and Astronaut Gods. I am excite.

Norsefire
03-17-2012, 08:03 PM
I love that new trailer, seriously can't wait to see this.

Golden Eel
03-17-2012, 08:37 PM
Here is the full-length trailer that doesn't look like it was recorded with a rock.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcHYisZFLU

Mi-CroMartie
03-17-2012, 09:01 PM
Dear Ridley Scott,

Please make more alien sci-fi stuff. Minus the run of the mill action movies that you put out every year..

-Sincerely yours, Martie.

Hazekiah
03-17-2012, 09:44 PM
Dear Martie, I believe you're either confusing my work as a producer with my directorial efforts, such as:


RIDLEY SCOTT as DIRECTOR


2012 Prometheus (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/)
2010 Robin Hood (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0955308/)
2008 Body of Lies (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758774/)
2007 American Gangster (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0765429/)
2006 A Good Year (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401445/)
2005 Kingdom of Heaven (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0320661/)
2003 Matchstick Men (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325805/)
2001 Black Hawk Down (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265086/)
2001 Hannibal (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212985/)
2000 Gladiator (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172495/)
1997 G.I. Jane (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119173/)
1996 White Squall (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118158/)
1992 1492: Conquest of Paradise (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103594/)
1991 Thelma & Louise (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103074/)
1989/I Black Rain (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096933/)
1987 Someone to Watch Over Me (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094008/)
1985 Legend (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089469/)
1982 Blade Runner (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/)
1979 Alien (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078748/)
1977 The Duellists (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075968/)


Or else you're simply confusing me with my brother...


TONY SCOTT as DIRECTOR


2010 Unstoppable (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477080/)
2009 The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1111422/)
2006 Deja Vu (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0453467/)
2005 Domino (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421054/)
2004 Man on Fire (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0328107/)
2002 Beat the Devil (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338768/)
2001 Spy Game (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266987/)
1998 Enemy of the State (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120660/)
1996 The Fan (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116277/)
1995 Crimson Tide (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112740/)
1993 True Romance (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108399/)
1991 The Last Boy Scout (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102266/)
1990 Days of Thunder (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099371/)
1990 Revenge (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100485/)
1987 Beverly Hills Cop II (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092644/)
1986 Top Gun (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092099/)
1983 The Hunger (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085701/)


Who is himself an AMAZING director whose films are similarly undeserving of such "run of the mill action movie" accusations.

Please explain yourself and/or get a clue.

Sincerely yours, Ridley





:P

Mi-CroMartie
03-17-2012, 09:52 PM
Yes, considering that I saw some of his brother's movies.. I'm confused. lol. And to list a few Ridley stuff I saw: Matchstick Men, Gladiator, Blade Runner, Kingdom of Heaven, Black Hawk Down, Thelma and Louise, Hannibal and of course the 1st Alien... There.

As for his brother's movies: I saw, Domino, Unstoppable, Man on Fire, Top Gun, True Romance, and Deja Vu. That's it. :p

Golden Eel
03-17-2012, 10:07 PM
Yep, I'm not gonna lie - I was totally unaware that those were two different people...

Hazekiah
03-17-2012, 10:13 PM
Let's not forget Ridley's son Jake Scott, either!

Famous for directing such videos as Live's "Lightning Crashes," Radiohead's "Fake Plastic Trees," R.E.M.'s "Everybody Hurts," etc., etc., etc.

They all do tons of stuff together under Scott Free Productions, so admittedly some confusion is understandable.

Pretty fucking insanely talented family, lol.

iggy
03-19-2012, 05:26 AM
That trailer made me significantly less excited about this movie.

ThreeEyedGod
03-19-2012, 10:23 AM
That trailer made me significantly less excited about this movie.

For real: why is that?

Now it looks generic?

Peaches
03-21-2012, 02:23 AM
I am so fucking excited for this there are no wooooooooooords oh my god.

I want this RIGHT NOW.

All the trailers are fucking amazing, it looks so good, and may even almost equal the first Alien. Yep. That said, I'm trying not to read anything about it, or spoil it too much, because I want it to live up to my super high expectations.

Also I have the biggest boner for Noomi Rapace, I fucking love her.

Norsefire
06-03-2012, 09:48 AM
Just went to see this today and enjoyed every second of it. I heard it was getting some mixed and even bad reviews although I've yet to read one, I can only expect they were hoping for another Alien film which this is totally not.

I saw it in 3D and I thought it was great for the depth of the wide landscape shots, I really enjoyed the opening credits to the film.

I don't really have any complaints for the film except it left me wanting more! There was one part that made me laugh - Towards the end when they're running as the space ship is rolling towards them they keep running in a straight line, they would both have a better chance of survival if they just ran to the side and out of the way of the ship lol.

I really enjoyed the elements of Alien that were in the film, especially seeing the Alien in various forms, when the little snake thing popped up and then started opening up it reminded me of the face hugger so it was a little obvious where it was heading but I enjoyed it anyway. I actually expected the woman to have a more Alien style face hugger inside her when they said she was pregnant, so I was surprised how that came out looking a bit more like a squid or something.
I did enjoy it at the end when they went back to that room and it was like a giant face hugger, thought that was brilliant and when it got the Engineer alien you just knew where that was heading and I enjoyed the ending shots of the new Alien coming out. Still not the same sort we see in the Alien films but so close.

Loved the way the film ended where it's left open for more, and I hope they make more!

adamchabbi6
06-03-2012, 09:55 AM
I saw it on Friday at Cineworld in Shaftesbury Avenue. I found it really interesting and the suspense was great as well. Like Norsefire mentioned, the effects were even better in 3D.

The scene where the woman gives birth to a baby alien was quite sickening for me to watch, which is not something I'm not used to saying and I watch gore films that are sometimes extreme.

I would still recommend Prometheus and I will never forget how packed the cinema was for the movie, since I saw it on the first day it was released.

Sans Agendum
06-03-2012, 12:49 PM
There's some unanswered questions at the end of the movie but I think that the engineers create humanity in the beginning, specifically as vessels for the xenomorph bioweapons. That's why at the end the Engineer is going back to earth with the ampoules. He's not just going to wipe out the humans for the fun of it. He's going to fulfill the mission. Which was to populate the planet with vessels that could help them create xenomorphs for who ever it is they were at war with. I can only think of one other race that exists in the Alien universe thus far. It sounds farfetched, but maybe the Engineers are at war with the Predators... Maybe?

Mi-CroMartie
06-06-2012, 01:46 AM
Everything's been said here before cos I saw it today in 3-D as well.

The part where David examines a black ooze vase and dips it on his finger is how I think he's the one who infected Dr. Holloway by rubbing his black ooze finger on the vodka drink he offered in one scene.

David's a shady and sneaky-ass character robot to begin with... Hell, even the whole movie even the famous liner quote from Ripley is totally reminiscent of the 1st Alien classic. Wouldn't mind seeing it again..

Norsefire
06-06-2012, 03:31 AM
^ He didn't rub his finger on it, he dipped it in when he past the drink over. I already assumed he has infected the drink when he was offering him it, but I guess not. It was just when he dipped the finger in it.

Mi-CroMartie
06-06-2012, 03:39 AM
To me, I think David did it on purpose not by accident...

Norsefire
06-06-2012, 04:31 AM
yeah no doubt about that. Just saying he dipped his finger in the drink as he passed it over to contaminate it.

Mi-CroMartie
06-06-2012, 04:40 AM
But later in the movie, David didn't fucked up by ass raping Elizabeth just like what Ash did to Ripley and the crew in the 1st alien movie. I was expecting him to turn on her but he behaved like Bishop and helped her on the mission instead.

The best part of that was the argument of the Creationism and Christianity of how humans came into being. But one argued in a very alien fiend version that it was really the "Engineers" that created humans.

Emma
06-06-2012, 04:52 AM
he dipped his finger in the drink as he passed it over to contaminate it.

Definatley what happened. David was serving his purpose, but at the same time what purpose did that have in relation to later when he

awoke Weyland from cryo-sleep. I'm not convinced that was part of the whole "Keep Daddy alive" scenario. I'm guessing the agenda is more so, which leads to the end of the film. David may have been helping Elizabeth, but I doubt for one minute he is doing it out the kindness of his 'artifical person' heart. I still think that he was working for other forces within Weyland - he seemed very clued up on what the slime could do and seemed also very clued up when Elizabeth became an incubator. Remember in the later movies, Ash is accused of getting the Alien for the bio-weapons division - maybe more is known about the "Engineers" purpose than we are being led to believe at this point

I do like the idea that the writers and Scott are saying there is room for two more movies. I would hope so as there is a lot of unanswered questions which were left, either deliberatley or poorly scripted. I understand why Scott calls it not a prequel but at the same time it undeniably is in so many ways.

I agree with Sans assessment that the Engineers

designed the human race by default not to destroy us but purely as incubators for their weapons division.

Mi-CroMartie
06-06-2012, 06:01 AM
^ In short, it's like an extension of the human evolution chart AFTER the homo sapiens arrived.. Right?

ThreeEyedGod
06-06-2012, 08:18 AM
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Cringeon
06-09-2012, 06:37 PM
Just got back from seeing it in 3d. First, 3d was done well enough to give some enhancement but not really be distracting. For the film itself, I thought the pacing was good and I tend to lean more towards these type of movies rather than the big action blockbusters. Definitely would say best for this universe since Aliens.

21Faces
06-10-2012, 10:56 AM
I had mixed feelings about this. I enjoyed watching the movie immensely, and it's certainly better than 95% of films out there hands down- also probably an instant sci if classic since the genre seems to be a little sparse of late. However I feel what made the original a true classic- and truly horrific was the simplicity of its violation imagery: a perversion of sex and birth. That's every deep stuff at its core, and focused enough that it hits an audience hard and stays there. An alien monster rapes you in your face, then force-births out your chest cavity, by extension we are all raped by our corporate overlords, etc.

Prometheus, however, is far less focused. Instead the alien horror element is... muddled (the writers would say "adaptable") but if you really look you can see they just use it however they need to move the story along- that's kind of lazy. And then rather than rather than take the high road and let the audience intuit the questions the film wants to explore (something no less weighty than why are we here and is there any meaning to our existence at all) they just spell it out in the expository dialog, but don't make any serious progress with those issues because they're too busy throwing random crap at us every five seconds from the second act onward. I was really hoping for a singular "WTF moment on par with the original Alien- not in the same vein as that, but something on that level of random horror. I was disappointed this movie didn't have one. I felt the closest thing was obviously Shaw's... we'll say "right to choose?" lol, but the scene had so much unrelated crap being intercut it didn't have the impact it could have, unfortunately. Maybe in a director's cut? (not like Ridley has ever done one of those before :P)

The only character who really contributes anything of value to the whole affair was the Bowie-inspired David (who CARRIED the film, btw) because his story spoke directly to its larger themes. I honestly felt he was the only character who actually said or did anything interesting throughout the entire movie. If he had been treated as the central protagonist instead of these lesser attempts at Ripley surrogates (Shaw and Vickers) this movie could have easily stood shoulder to shoulder with its predecessor.

I saw the film in 2D, and and plan to go again this evening for 3D, so I'll see if I come away with anything more after a second viewing.

Sans Agendum
06-10-2012, 04:10 PM
Haz lost his bet with me. Pay up!

Also

I think in the sequel there will be a lot more about the 'proto-morph' that pops out of the engineer at the end. In the chamber with the big head there was a mural of that exact being with a random green emerald on an alter in front of it. I'm guessing there would be another transformation when and if the little guy comes in contact with it.

Hazekiah
06-26-2012, 05:31 PM
What a coincidence! I was actually JUST on my way here to quote your inarguable and UTTER wrongness:


There will be no Xenomorphs.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jJ3qL89zMFE/T97GO-yoP0I/AAAAAAAABa8/UYlXCNDZaJE/s1600/wall+statue.jpg

*ahem*

I'm sorry...you were saying?

:P

DrClitoris
06-27-2012, 07:57 AM
Xenomorphs are sexy

Sans Agendum
06-27-2012, 11:43 AM
What a coincidence! I was actually JUST on my way here to quote your inarguable and UTTER wrongness:




http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jJ3qL89zMFE/T97GO-yoP0I/AAAAAAAABa8/UYlXCNDZaJE/s1600/wall+statue.jpg

*ahem*

I'm sorry...you were saying?

:P

That is not a xenomorph. That is a mural of something resembling one, more specifically it is the exact same creature we see at the end of the movie, which was still not a xenomorph.

Hazekiah
06-27-2012, 12:05 PM
WAT. Have you paid attention to the films at all?!? Whether it's a Queen, a drone, a "dog alien," predalien, or a "deacon," etc., it's still a xenomorph. Emphasis on -MORPH. Come on now.

Sans Agendum
06-27-2012, 12:19 PM
WAT. Have you paid attention to the films at all?!? Whether it's a Queen, a drone, a "dog alien," predalien, or a "deacon," etc., it's still a xenomorph. Emphasis on -MORPH. Come on now.

That was NOT a xenomorph, though. It was something else. All previous xenomorph entities started as chestbuster worms and before that came from the SAME facehugger creatures which spawned from eggs. This guy did none of those things. He's just black and has a long head.

I suppose we'll settle for it being a proto-morph and I'll let it slide THIS time.

Hazekiah
06-27-2012, 08:48 PM
"Something else" is EXACTLY what the xenomorphs constantly become. The Deacon xenomorph in this case just happened to spawn from the black goo (perhaps itself the root xenomorph), Halloway, Shaw, and then a "wombburster," and then finally from the big, bad daddy of all facehuggers. These are all just different expressions of the extremely broad and innovative xenomorph biology and its various life-cycles. Again: xenoMORPH.

Sans Agendum
06-27-2012, 10:01 PM
Agree to disagree.

Norsefire
06-28-2012, 08:10 AM
Don't have the time to scan this, but in the new issue of Empire magazine there's a Prometheus Q&A thing. I've took some pics with my phone which hopefully you'll be able to read ok.

http://www.alanpb.co.uk/pm1.jpg (http://www.alanpb.co.uk/pm1.jpg)

http://www.alanpb.co.uk/pm2.jpg (http://www.alanpb.co.uk/pm2.jpg)

Click on them to view the full size.

kleiner352
06-28-2012, 08:42 AM
^ He specifies we don't see an "Alien", or in other words, the classic xenomorph, so Sans won that battle.

I saw the film this last weekend and adored it. It fits perfectly with the franchise, raises some interesting ideas/questions, and all of it is a solid film. It's got a nice blend of horror and adventure, and at the end still maintains this sense of wonder and exploration that is a nice counterpoint to the horrifying, "maybe we shouldn't have come here" vibe throughout. Also as always the brothah always gets it but this time he doesn't get it until the tail end of the film by saving humanity, so there's some progress I guess.

Sans Agendum
06-28-2012, 09:40 AM
"Because it isn't an 'Alien'" -Riddley Scott.

:)

Sans Agendum
06-28-2012, 03:00 PM
The idea that Jesus was an engineer is interesting. So really they were bringing about the apocalypse in return for Christ being crucified.

Interesting.

Hazekiah
06-29-2012, 10:47 AM
That's very clearly a misapplication of the term "xenomorph."

The term does not refer simply to the one iteration birthed most recently from humans, as seen in the first and second films. It also encompasses, for instance, the dog-alien, predalien, etc. Its ability to adopt traits from its hosts' DNA is why it's called the xenoMORPH in the first place.

Every variation of the creature is a xenomorph. People simply erroneously refer to specifically the creature from the first two films as THE xenomorph, when it is quite clearly established as being MUCH more broad-guage a term than that pigeonhole suggests.

Say what you will about the AvP films, but Alien 3 is still canon. And that's a xenomorph bursting from the dog just as much as these are also xenomorphs in Prometheus. No two ways around it. They may not be the same exact designs, but it's still the same biomechanical xenomorph species. It may not be the alien of Alien, but a xenomorph is a xenomorph is a xenomorph.

Class dismissed.

:P

Sans Agendum
06-29-2012, 10:57 AM
If the director says it isn't an 'Alien', than I'd say it isn't an 'Alien'. Maybe something preceding a xenomorph but still not a xenomorph.

Norsefire
06-29-2012, 11:21 AM
I agree with what Haz is saying, and that's exactly how I saw the alien at the end of Prometheus. Another type of Xenomorph, they're always going to change with what it spawns from, as Haz as pointed out. I think it makes sense to call it a Xenomorph.

Hazekiah
07-01-2012, 04:09 AM
Precisely. And thanks for those pix, Norsefire!

:)

The Alien sequels all establish both the term xenomorph and the way in which the xenomorph adopts traits from its hosts' DNA...and THIS film goes out of its way to show not only what appears to be a mural of a more traditional human- and/or engineer-spawned xenomorph but ALSO itself seems to establish that the xenomorphic life-cycle may TRULY begin in the form of a weaponized biomechanical black goo even before it assimilates further pirated genetics as it mutates generationally towards the more familiar figure of the xenomorph seen on the mural.

Which is of course meant to eradicate any humanoids they've created through sacrifice with the benign form of the black goo and their own DNA, should they learn those humanoids haven't lived up to their expectations. Since this same black goo in its various forms can either be used to create humanoid life OR to eradicate that life in its weaponized form, I can't help but feel that this is the reason they have both the effigy of the giant humanoid head surrounded by the urns of black goo AND the mural of the cruciform xenomorph in the same room, since humanoids and xenomorphs seem to be the end results of the two differently-engineered forms of black goo. They know what they're ultimately making with either form.

And that "Empire Magazine" article also asks why the engineers would leave star maps in cave paintings to a facility that manufactures weapons of mass destruction for humans they hadn't yet condemned (predating the death of Christ), but I feel the most elegant answer to that question is simply that LV-223 was where ALL the work on engineering EITHER form of the black goo was performed, not just its weaponization. This even has the added simplicity of being completely safe for that humanoid lifeform should it eventually come visit while still held in the engineers' favor, while simultaneously helping to ensure that humanoid lifeform's eventual eradication should they be held in contempt yet never exterminated before their visit to the facility due to, say, an accidental outbreak at the lab before the mission is launched, as the film suggests.

Which even supports Shaw's faith that it WAS an invitation...of sorts, haha.

All neat and tidy.

>;)

DrClitoris
07-01-2012, 09:19 AM
Reading that article I'm confused, didn't they create life on Earth and then plan to destroy it just so that they could turn Earth into a kind of weapons depo, Xenomorphs being those weapons? :S

Oh and yeah, Noomi Rapace is really hot in this :9

Hazekiah
07-01-2012, 04:49 PM
Sure, go ahead and bury my post with a pointless double-post. Why not.

-_-

Anyway, no. There's no particular evidence just yet that the point of engineering human life on Earth was simply to later harvest the resultant xenomorphs. By all indications it appears the xenomorphs were simply meant to eradicate humanity after we'd crucified their emissary 2,000 years ago.

If the intention was to then use those xenomorphs for something later then it doesn't appear to be suggested at any point during the film itself.

And, yeah, Noomi's hot. Edit your goddamned post next time.

:P

Sans Agendum
07-01-2012, 06:05 PM
Wow. Two buddy buddies on a Manson message board 'agree' with eachother. I guess that totally justifies overlooking that the director of the film said it himself that the Deacon creature is NOT a xenomorph. Enjoy your selective ability to embrace one part of the article and disregarding another. Circle jerk all you want, but I was still right. There were no xenomorphs in the movie.

Hazekiah
07-01-2012, 09:12 PM
Well, that article is a goddamned hodge-podge of out-of-context quotes from interviews, a book, AND random speculation from the internet, first of all.

Secondly, you can say "agree to disagree" just as easily as I can say "fuck-this-talking-to-a-brick-wall-that-missed-the-point-of-every-movie-in-the-franchise-AND-my-posts."

So here we are.

But anyway.

Going back to Noomi Rapace for a moment...

I just wanted to add that I think it's fucking hilarious that two actresses named Noomi and Rooney both played the same role in another psychosexual, investigative movie franchise.

On TOP of that, I think it's DOUBLY hilarious that someone with the name "Rape-Ass" got cast in the role of an anal rape victim/perpetrator, named LISBETH Salander in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

Oops, spoiler!

On top of THAT, I find it TRIPLY hilarious that this same Ms. Rape-Ass got cast in the role of a classic, "body-horror" alien-rape heroine in Prometheus.

WHOSE NAME IS FUCKING ELISABETH SHAW!!!

For that matter, Prometheus is basically The Girl with the Dragon Jesus Baby, ffs.

Goddamned LAWL.

FURTHERMORE, it's really interesting to me that Noomi's character from TGwtDT solves a crime using verses from Leviticus...which is EXACTLY the same book of The Bible from which the setting and indeed the PLOT of Prometheus is derived!

LV-223 = Leviticus 22:3:

"Say unto them, Whosoever he be of all your seed among your generations, that goeth unto the holy things, which the children of Israel hallow unto the Lord, having his uncleanliness upon him, that soul shall be cut off from my presence, I am the Lord."

And let's not forget her co-stars were Michael FASSBENDER and GUY PIERCE, lol.


FUCKING GENIUS.



Haha, just sayin'.

;)

DrClitoris
07-02-2012, 12:16 AM
Sure, go ahead and bury my post with a pointless double-post. Why not.

-_-

Anyway, no. There's no particular evidence just yet that the point of engineering human life on Earth was simply to later harvest the resultant xenomorphs. By all indications it appears the xenomorphs were simply meant to eradicate humanity after we'd crucified their emissary 2,000 years ago.

If the intention was to then use those xenomorphs for something later then it doesn't appear to be suggested at any point during the film itself.

And, yeah, Noomi's hot. Edit your goddamned post next time.

:P

I apologize my god for I have offended thee

Sans Agendum
07-02-2012, 10:03 AM
Just because we disagree on the Xenomorph topic doesn't mean I don't understand the deeper esoteric references of the franchise. Alien is one of my favorite series. Try not to take everything so personally, Haz.

Would you say that the apes we evolved from are Humans? It's the same with how I don't think the Deacon is a xenomorph. I'm not going to refer to everything humans may have evolved from as Humans any more than I'm going to refer to everything Xenomorphs evolved from as Xenomorphs, and apparently neither is Ridley Scott. :p

Sans Agendum
07-12-2012, 06:25 PM
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