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Norsefire
02-02-2012, 05:43 AM
08 June 2012
NOVA ROCK
Location: Pannonia Fields II, Nickelsdorf, Austria

http://www.providermodule.com/tour/thread_graphics/novarock.jpg

www.novarock.at - www.facebook.com/novarock

[Updated: 03/02/12 - MM.com has listed Novarock as 08 June]



Members Attending:

Wormboy015

Wormboy015
02-22-2012, 03:18 AM
iīll be there

Hazekiah
02-22-2012, 08:25 PM
HOLY FUCK, I thought that said IL as in Illinois for a second there.

FAILOLOLOLOL.

And, DAMN, I wish I could go! I bet Manson's pretty excited he's playing a festival with Refused, it would be AWESOME if they did a song together or something. Have fun and tell us all about it, Wormboy015!

:)

Banshee
05-01-2012, 04:40 AM
New Lineup-Poster:
http://www.novarock.at/jart/prj3/novarock/images/img-db/1332753006192.jpg

This is probably as close as it gets to Manson playing in my backyard - but... just got to know the daily tickets will cost 72,50 EUR + fees, and are limited to 1000... and I HATE huge festivals... too many drunks, shortened setlist with hits only, bad sound... and Linkin Park as the main star of the day, really?? Well, we'll see Manson in Paris a few days before, I hope that will make it up for this... still not sure whether to go or not. My boyfriend said he's not going and he'll rather drive 700 km to a "normal" show, lol.
/end of rant

Miriam Unterweger
05-03-2012, 09:56 AM
i'll be there!

Banshee
05-27-2012, 12:20 PM
Timetable is finally online:
http://www.novarock.at/jart/prj3/novarock/data/uploads/NR2012_Timetable_Overview-1.jpg
... aaand it made me buy the tickets for Friday ... they're criminals, charging 162,80 EUR for 2 daily tickets!!
So.. I'll be there...

Wormboy015
05-28-2012, 04:26 AM
Timetable is finally online:
... aaand it made me buy the tickets for Friday ... they're criminals, charging 162,80 EUR for 2 daily tickets!!
So.. I'll be there...

i bought three days ticket for 137,50 €.
In my opinion...Manson, Machine Head, Metallica, Dimmu Borgir, Killswitch Engage, Nightwish, ... for cca 135,-€, not bad :)

NapalmHeart
06-08-2012, 12:06 PM
Storm Warning! All concerts are delayed, people are told to move back to their tents in the meantime. Manson was supposed to play at 11.25pm, let's see when he can actually go on stage now...

Norsefire
06-08-2012, 01:58 PM
That must be really annoying for all those that have been at the front all day, I bet they wont move back to their tents.

EDIT,
Or maybe they will move, just found this article saying they are going to get a very heavy storm,


"Unfortunately, this is not so funny, we must vacate the area around the stage, then we can continue to play. It's about your safety."
http://www.bvz.at/community/festivals/nova12/Buehnenbereich-musste-wegen-Gewitter-geraeumt-werden;art26811,395132

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 02:23 PM
I just heard the show's been canceled. Is that true?

NapalmHeart
06-08-2012, 02:29 PM
Manson canceled. Damn. First there was a strom warning, then people apparentely moved back to the stage and now my friend texted me Manson is canceled...

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 02:31 PM
Manson canceled. Damn. First there was a strom warning, then people apparentely moved back to the stage and now my friend texted me Manson is canceled...

I think the whole thing has been canceled for tonight, not just Manson's show.

Norsefire
06-08-2012, 02:35 PM
Well Linkin Park just posted a photo on Facebook of them walking to the stage, so I don't think it's all cancelled. So if they're not cancelled why is Marilyn Manson, another headliner cancelled?

NapalmHeart
06-08-2012, 02:39 PM
Linkin Park play on the blue stage, only the shows at the red stage got canceled. Apparentely they just announced that they had lots of trouble with the wind so Manson got canceled. There must be one hell of a chaos since no one seems to know what's going on. One guy died already, too. But Manson is definitely canceled.

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 02:39 PM
Well Linkin Park just posted a photo on Facebook of them walking to the stage, so I don't think it's all cancelled. So if they're not cancelled why is Marilyn Manson, another headliner cancelled?


It could be a time thing. If Linkin Park is just going on now, would that push Manson past the curfew there?

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 02:40 PM
Someone died? That's awful.

Norsefire
06-08-2012, 02:40 PM
That sucks, I guess the storm must of damaged the stage somehow?

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 02:43 PM
That sucks, I guess the storm must of damaged the stage somehow?

Ok, that makes more sense now. The direction of the wind vs. the direction the stage faced.

NapalmHeart
06-08-2012, 02:44 PM
I haven't heard all the details, but I just talked to my friend on the phone. Apparentely the weather was way worse in 2009 and it didn't get canceled. Also, the blue stage is not far from the red stage and Linkin Park are playing right now, too. After they announced that Within Temptation were not gonna play they said that they'll try to make it work for Manson, at least. People are disappointed, and Manson's probably pissed off too.

Norsefire
06-08-2012, 02:44 PM
Someone died? That's awful.

This website is reporting that a 24 year old man died of a heart attack. Nothing related to the storm, still bad though especially if he wanted to see one of the headlining bands.
http://www.vienna.at/24-jaehriger-mann-am-nova-rock-festival-gestorben/3275369?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

--

Thanks for the updates NapalmHeart!

NapalmHeart
06-08-2012, 02:45 PM
Ok, that makes more sense now. The direction of the wind vs. the direction the stage faced.

http://cdn1.vienna.at/2012/06/ibd0k0lf.jpg

Looks like the same direction to me...

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 02:49 PM
http://cdn1.vienna.at/2012/06/ibd0k0lf.jpg

Looks like the same direction to me...

Ya, I'm now thoroughly confused. LOL

NapalmHeart
06-08-2012, 02:57 PM
Not just you, even people there are confused lol. At least now I don't have to regret not getting tickets.

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 03:00 PM
Not just you, even people there are confused lol. At least now I don't have to regret not getting tickets.

There's that silver lining!

Norsefire
06-08-2012, 03:03 PM
Maybe the stage is somehow damaged by the wind? It could be a health and safety issue with that stage?

NapalmHeart
06-08-2012, 03:20 PM
Possible. Also, apparently the big screens are broken on the other stage. That sucks, usually NovaRock is way better organized than those german festivals. I haven't heard of any riots though, I'd be super pissed if I was there.

suphiafilos
06-08-2012, 03:39 PM
I would be pissed too!
Do you know if they will refund the people?

Scorpion
06-08-2012, 03:39 PM
Thanks everyone for updating us.

It sucks that another Manson show (festival show, at least it's not his fault whatsoever) are being cancelled. We got 3 already, right?

Cringeon
06-08-2012, 03:46 PM
Bummer, outdoor shows can be a gamble. They really have no choice, can't risk the chance of harm to performers or audience. There's a lot to wager on a festival going off without a hitch, thankfully I'm sure MM will do another run of solo shows probably in the Winter.

Norsefire
06-08-2012, 03:55 PM
This news site basically says the same stuff and confirms that due to the bad weather Marilyn Manson was cancelled.

http://kurier.at/kult/4499165-nova-rock-manson-abgesagt-offspring-rockten.php

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 04:08 PM
Thanks everyone for updating us.

It sucks that another Manson show (festival show, at least it's not his fault whatsoever) are being cancelled. We got 3 already, right?

Sonisphere filed bankruptcy so that accounts for the other ones being canceled, and this one's an Act of God, but that doesn't make it suck any less for the attendees.

NapalmHeart
06-08-2012, 04:08 PM
Thanks for the article, beat me to it. It basically confirms it, the wind was so strong that parts of the stage could have hurt people. While Linkin Park played, their sound was so shitty, due to the wind, that you could barely hear it.

Banshee
06-08-2012, 05:05 PM
We're home and totally pissed off at the organizers. This wasn't an "act of god", such winds are totally normal for this space and season! (or why do you think there are those windmills everywhere around?) There wasn't any extraordinary storm, it did rain for a while, but if the stage would have been built well, it should have withstanded the wind. The wind at the bigger "red stage" wasn't any less, for sure!!! And Backstreet Boys (sorry, Linkin Park) could play. Well the result is - we payed 165 EUR (almost half of my monthly paycheck) for seeing NOTHING. And I was told by the organizers there will be no refund. I'll try anyway, but the chances are low.
I saw how one of the small pavillons was tied up - with a shoelace and a keychain. I am a girl who does a bit of camping every year and I know how to make those small pavillons windproof much better than these people. Also, there was very little security staff for the mass of people. Fences were broken down. There should have been a security check before getting to the areas before the stage - we never passed it, as the main crowd went through a hole in the fence. I could bring a bazooka in without getting in trouble.
So, we spent the evening with running about 8km in dust, for nothing. I'm never ever going to see a festival again, especially not in Austria. We should have bought air tickets to Milan for this money instead.

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 05:16 PM
^That must have been so disappointing. :(

"Act of God" is just a catch-all phrase for weather being blamed, but it sounds more like the festival organizers did a crap job. The whole thing sounds disastrous.

Norsefire
06-08-2012, 07:04 PM
That's terrible Banshee, you should totally push for a refund though. Don't take no for an answer keep pushing at them for it.
I'm sure you wont be the only person demanding a refund either, keep at them for it!

NapalmHeart
06-08-2012, 07:26 PM
What I was wondering, did you meet or talk to other Manson fans too? How was the crowd's reaction to the announcement?

That really sucks, and proves once again why I keep away from festivals when I really wanna see a band. Either the sound sucks, or they play at daylight, or just half an hour, or you're like 2 miles away from the stage, or the audience sucks because they're all Linkin Park fans or the whole thing gets canceled. Next time you know, for that money you can have tickets for a solo show + the costs for the trip (to another country) are covered too.

I'm surprised there's no statement from the band yet. The band usually tweets before and after shows. I also wonder how Manson reacted, all dressed up already lol

thousand_kisses
06-08-2012, 08:35 PM
this is pretty much why i don't like festivals or outdoor shows in general. yeah, it can be great if the weather is nice (except for that whole "2 miles away from the stage thing", as already mentioned), but you know how that can go -- rain, wind, excessive heat/humidity, etc. when i'm in the mood for roughing it and dealing with the elements, i go camping. but for concerts? give me a nice sturdy roof over my head, a/c or heat, etc.

Banshee
06-09-2012, 01:04 AM
The crowd was all pissed off, already after Within Temptation was cancelled, because many people came just to see them too. They were all booing, whistling and throwing stuff on stage. I am a calm and peaceful person, but I really, really wanted to break something too - but there wasn't really anything to break, lol. I hope that at least Manson smashed things for us ;) I do not wonder they did not play, the stage was all shaky and if I was him, I would not play there either.
When we were leaving and Linkin Park was playing, we were definitely not alone, a whole big crowd was leaving. I will definitely demand a refund. I tried to reach a competent person there, but there wasn't any there already. If there would be, he would probably have a really hard time with me. The security guys also said everything's shit there, also for them, that they didn't sleep for 36 hours and would finally like to go to bed.

Tinuviel
06-09-2012, 02:20 AM
Feeling really sorry for you, Banshee! :( I do hope claiming for a refund will be successful but judging from what you've experienced there has to be some kind of redemption.

I was derterminded to visit NovaRock too but then wasn't able to put that plan into action since my englisch exams started today. I'm glad I didn't lose any money but I feel bad for everyone who ended up frustrated.

Reading that the organisation apparently was far from satisfactory is quite a surprise for me since a couple of friends were full of praise when they told me about this festival. Really sad to hear quite the opposite now. :/

Banshee
06-09-2012, 03:19 AM
Well the organizers claim it was extraordinary and unexpected weather situation. But I have experienced outdoor shows being played in much worse conditions and noone was hurt and stages/tents were built in a way to withstand "some wind" and nothing moved. These people probably never saw a real storm and I wouldn't want to experience it there, there would probably be casulties if there was one. This festival is in the middle of a field on lowlands, so noone can tell me "oh, we didn't think there will be wind" - as these kind of winds are normal for such places. As I read on their forum, this has happened before at Nova Rock (shows being cancelled because of wind), so it sure wasn't unexpected. Just didn't happen during the main act, so not that many people cared. For me, it's an organization failure and the weather can't be blamed, as it could have been very well forseen. I believe they think the average festival goer won't mind (they just come there to get drunk and don't care much what's going on, as long as there is something loud coming out of some speakers) and they're probably right.

I am very happy we went to see Manson to Paris (which was awsome!), we're also going to Prague, but this was a huge dissapointment, waste of money, time and energy. I planned to see The Cure at Frequency Festival in Austria in August, but am now sure I'll better live without that experience, as the organizer seems to be the same.

Tinuviel
06-09-2012, 04:11 AM
Yeah, that doesn't make a good impression at all. Storms and such really aren't anything unexceptionable in Austria I believe. They should have been prepared for something like that. And how could they ever expect that people wouldn't complain? They must have known that some of the visitors are present to see one band in particular. The festival should try to please everyone, not just the ones willing to get drunk. What a shame, truly. :(

Banshee
06-09-2012, 05:19 AM
The problem is, there wasn't even a storm. There was only 22m/s wind (as they told us), which isn't anything extraordinary.

AssetReign
06-09-2012, 06:55 AM
The problem is, there wasn't even a storm. There was only 22m/s wind (as they told us), which isn't anything extraordinary.

So it was a matter of poor construction? I would definitely aggressively pursue the refund avenue. Maybe even a class action suit against the organizer?

NapalmHeart
06-09-2012, 01:04 PM
FULL SHOW in HD (75:45 minutes):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfaeWDpiX84

Banshee
06-10-2012, 02:53 AM
Haha, good one NapalmHeart!!!
Actually there was a guy standing on the stage repeating "everybody please leave, now!" in German (so half of the crowd didn't understand) :D
I also took some photos. There wasn't a single trash bin in the whole area, so you can imagine how it looked like.

"Dust is all around us"
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/252693_3614525274639_925449706_n.jpg

"A happy festival attendant, as organizers love them"
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600285_3614525594647_1902941074_n.jpg

Wormboy015
06-12-2012, 02:45 AM
Okay...i was there...in the middle of first fucking row and I had no idea about what those shitheads were talking about...We in the front, we donīt feel almost no wind. The stage looked absolutely okey. Mansonīs stuff (like podium for ACSS) was already in backstage, so i was fucking devastated when the old guy came up on stage and repeatedly spoke about bad weather, strong wind and shit like that. I was there for Manson...and took almost 20 hours, 10 beers and a bottle of "hruskovica" (Slovak liquor made from pears) to be fine. ;)

Btw..Machine Head and Metallica were great.

Banshee
06-12-2012, 07:04 AM
We in the front, we donīt feel almost no wind. The stage looked absolutely okey.
You didn't feel the wind because it was blowing from behind the stage, we didn't feel it either, but there definitely WAS wind (if you looked at the flags or moved to the side of the stage, you could see/feel it). But 20-30m/s wind is something the organizers should have thought about and made the stage able to withstand it. The lights and sides of the stage WERE moving quite a lot, maybe the alcohol didn't allow you to realize it ;) I wouldn't play there either. As said, for me it was an organization failure big time.

Wormboy015
06-12-2012, 10:26 PM
...maybe the alcohol didn't allow you to realize it ;) ...

no...at the concert I was sober. I was drunk next day to get over it :)