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Norsefire
03-17-2012, 04:12 PM
12 August 2012
Venue: Heavy MTL Festival
Location: Montreal, Canada

http://heavymtl.com





Members Attending:

Benjamin
08-12-2012, 05:59 PM
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Heather Quick
08-12-2012, 11:54 PM
According to setlist.fm the set was the same as Toronto: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/marilyn-manson/2012/parc-jean-drapeau-montreal-qc-canada-7bdc3a00.html

Intro/Hey, Cruel World...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ETzM03i5kw

Personal Jesus


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgbkqTUZqP0

Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz3iJvPRUT8

crowded_morgue
08-13-2012, 09:05 AM
Great videos. Sweet Dreams was performed so beautifully! And I know a lot of people would prefer that Personal Jesus was ditched from the set or replaced with something else, but I have to admit, I really like the way that that song has been played this year. There is a rawness about it that I like a lot. It really has a lot to do with Twiggy's guitar playing and grittier style that contributes to that the most. At the show I attended earlier this year, I really enjoyed that song live. This video of it coming out of Montreal is a good example I think of just how badass it sounds.

crowded_morgue
08-13-2012, 09:06 AM
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Heather Quick
08-13-2012, 11:19 AM
Great videos. Sweet Dreams was performed so beautifully! And I know a lot of people would prefer that Personal Jesus was ditched from the set or replaced with something else, but I have to admit, I really like the way that that song has been played this year. There is a rawness about it that I like a lot. It really has a lot to do with Twiggy's guitar playing and grittier style that contributes to that the most. At the show I attended earlier this year, I really enjoyed that song live. This video of it coming out of Montreal is a good example I think of just how badass it sounds.

It sounds more rock n' roll. It's raw, I like it a lot too!


The Love Song


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vB7zYukgc0

mOBSCENE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPtjFnqh8w

The Dope Show


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI8SxCi4HVI&feature=channel&list=UL

Cringeon
08-13-2012, 03:37 PM
Disposable Teens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L4v7N-0hYg

AssetReign
08-13-2012, 04:18 PM
I'm still waiting for the "total shit" videos. Everything I've heard so far sounds pretty damn good.

Josť Leonardo
08-14-2012, 08:30 AM
No Reflection

http://youtu.be/mG8Syov73IE

Pistol Whipped

http://youtu.be/578SSAoVBh4

Antichrist Superstar

http://youtu.be/PLvPFIsSP_k

The Beautiful People

http://youtu.be/YRd6DQgmM5c

1984
08-14-2012, 09:59 AM
I still can't get over how fucking lame these set lists are. I'm really, really hoping things are going to get spiced up for the Twins of Evil tour. Doesn't Manson get sick of doing the same thing each night?

Heather Quick
08-14-2012, 10:25 AM
I still can't get over how fucking lame these set lists are. I'm really, really hoping things are going to get spiced up for the Twins of Evil tour. Doesn't Manson get sick of doing the same thing each night?

Regarding setlist, this is the worst tour EVER. Not because of the songs, we have The Love Song, Antichrist Superstar, Coma White/Coma Black, but for fuck's sake, a minimum of 7 or 8 songs from Born Villain is needed. Not to mention Great Big White World and anything from Portrait. Playing different songs, not in every show, but for example: Today the band plays 1996 and Mechanical Animals, then on the next concert Angel With the Scabbed Wings surfaces on the set. That would be good too, but NOOOOOOOOOOO, they prefer to play the same fucking setlist every. night. Geez...

sayyosin
08-14-2012, 10:52 AM
I agree. It would enhanced the show tenfold if they just added or switched some songs with tracks from Born Villain or even less played songs from the older albums. I REALLY hope this happens for the next tour.

1984
08-14-2012, 10:54 AM
Yeah, I agree! I mean, if they played a setlist like this some nights and then other nights changed it up it would be fine but they started touring for this album at Soundwave 2012 which means they've almost been touring for an entire year and the whole time have been playing the same songs night after night, in almost exactly the same order. What the fuck is with that? Maybe Manson doesn't mind that much but I thought it would be KILLING Twiggy. Playing the same shit on guitar over and over is a fucking bore, especially if you wrote some of those songs 15 years ago.

1984
08-14-2012, 10:55 AM
And as much as I don't really care too much for Rob Zombie, if he plays these tired old songs night after night on the Twins of Evil tour he will get blown off the stage at each show.

Heather Quick
08-14-2012, 11:29 AM
I guess Twiggy wants to die and burn his hands when he checks the set and see that the next song is Sweet Dreams.

1984
08-14-2012, 11:32 AM
Hahaha. No shit, hey! Imagine them discussing the setlist 'Whats on tonight?' ... 'The Beautiful People!' ... 'Oh yeah, nice, something different! Spicing it up a bit!'.

Heather Quick
08-14-2012, 11:45 AM
Hahaha. No shit, hey! Imagine them discussing the setlist 'Whats on tonight?' ... 'The Beautiful People!' ... 'Oh yeah, nice, something different!'.

"Yeah, it's a great song to add to the set, man! Maybe we could put it as the last song! What about Disposable Teens as the second? The crowd will love that!"

It could be created some rules, something like: How to make a good setlist for Marilyn Manson. By: His fans. A few of them:

- If you're going on tour to promote your new record, play at least 7 or 8 songs from it.
- NEVER forget Portrait of an American Family
- NO MORE Sweet Dreams and Rock is Dead
- STOP putting Disposable Teens as the second song and The Beautiful People as the last one
- Great Big White World.

1984
08-14-2012, 11:55 AM
It just occurred to me that Marilyn Manson was indeed born a villain and has taken it upon himself to continue the sound torture techniques that took place at Guantanamo Bay but on a much more large and sinister scale.

'TRAVEL THE WORLD AND THE SEVEN SEAS...'
'TRAVEL THE WORLD AND THE SEVEN SEAS...'
'TRAVEL THE WORLD AND THE SEVEN SEAS...'
'TRAVEL THE WORLD AND THE SEVEN SEAS...'
'TRAVEL THE WORLD AND THE SEVEN SEAS...'
'TRAVEL THE WORLD AND THE SEVEN SEAS...'
'TRAVEL THE WORLD AND THE SEVEN SEAS...'

Cringeon
08-14-2012, 11:57 AM
I'm sure every artist gets tired of doing the same old songs, but even the songs I'm most bored with still appear to make the general live crowd go fucking nuts live. Diehard fans are the minority for the most part, I think the vast majority of a crowd would be disappointed not hearing songs like Sweet Dreams, Disposable Teens, etc even if I'm okay with never hearing them live again. Everyone will have difference of opinion on what a perfect set would be (I don't care for non-Twiggy era songs), but a concert is so much more than a particular fan base. I'd love more BV tracks, and hope the set evolves, but I think as much as we can dream up cum worthy setlists - the show reviews have been great and I'd still take a mediocre MM show than any number of artists who change up their setlist night to night.

1984
08-14-2012, 12:05 PM
I definitely agree with you that there has to be a show that the general festival/concert goer populous can digest and there has to be a balance but the problem is there isn't a balance, it really is *JUST* the digestible stuff. He also never used to placate those people as heavily pre-THEOL, so doing it all of a sudden on this tour doesn't really add up. Record contracts can sometimes specify that a certain amount of singles must be played in a set list, I wonder if it could be a condition of his label? The set list is really strict and I can't imagine anyone wanting to do the same thing like that night after night.

Cringeon
08-14-2012, 12:15 PM
I think the issue is that as an artist has been around longer and longer, it's impossible to cover your catalog and still play the deep cuts. The end of the GAOG tour setlist typically only had 4 GAOG songs, two covers and was only 14 songs long with the rest being mainly singles. Festival shows like these are much shorter, so I imagine that's why it was slimmed down compared to the last few EUR shows. I do hope for some change live, which the band has slowly been adding (even doing some rarer songs during the EMDM/THEOL tours), but not going to let it kill an amazing rock and roll show.

1984
08-14-2012, 12:22 PM
That is a factor that I've considered but I still think what is happening with their set list is actually a problem and is something that is hindering the shows.

1984
08-14-2012, 12:22 PM
Do you really live in a place which has the acronym of 'SLUT'?

arkahno
08-14-2012, 01:45 PM
I'm start to think that Manson thinks that his fans are some kind of stupid retarded kids and only want to hear sweet dreams and the beautiful people because the fans never listen to his music besides the hits.
It is the only explanation of doing the same setlist every night.

BTW, the argument of "if you go a manson show and they don't play sweet dreams everyone will be disappointed" is pure bullshit.
The most of the people goes to shows for the experience of hearing the music you love.

Cringeon
08-14-2012, 01:48 PM
The point is that the majority of people who go to a MM show aren't the die hard fans. It's the people who love Sweet Dreams, TBP, Dope Show, hell even Personal Jesus has caused the crowds to go wild. The really devoted fans are only a small fraction of what MM's fanbase is made up of. Most are there because of the singles, if you think otherwise you are fooling yourself.

VelvetAIDS
08-14-2012, 02:53 PM
While I am not a huge fan of the set for the tour either...
Something tells me that even if he did the goddamn triptych shows... the fans would still bitch about the setlists.

arkahno
08-14-2012, 03:45 PM
The point is that the majority of people who go to a MM show aren't the die hard fans. It's the people who love Sweet Dreams, TBP, Dope Show, hell even Personal Jesus has caused the crowds to go wild. The really devoted fans are only a small fraction of what MM's fanbase is made up of. Most are there because of the singles, if you think otherwise you are fooling yourself.

that's because Manson has always played the hits live, look, in spain, there is a big legend in spanish pop music called Alaska, she has this band Fangoria, she has more than 20 years in the music industry, she has some big, BIG hits, but when Fangoria release a new album the tour is just about the new music, she said that even when the fans want to hear the hits, they must grow up with the band and they never play the hits live, I mean, never, they play the songs that they enjoy to play, and you know what, it works, and they have an amazing amount of hardcore fans.
That's the thing, if you play always the hits in the tour, the people get used to always hear the hits, and it is the artist fault.

sayyosin
08-14-2012, 05:52 PM
I honestly don't think it would hurt anyone's expectations if the band switched some songs up a little while still keeping some of the hits. For example, if they got rid of Rock is Dead and Personal Jesus and replaced them with Lay Down Your Goddamn Arms and Murders Are Getting Prettier Every Day (or even older CLASSIC songs like Lunchbox or Cake and Sodomy), while still playing Sweet Dreams, Disposable Teens, and Beautiful People, I think only a very small minority will be disappointed with the lack of a single or two. Especially since they've been playing the same singles for most of the band's entire touring history.

I agree about keeping the casual MM fans happy, but the band has so much more material that isn't being exposed to a new audience.

Tigger
08-15-2012, 01:11 AM
I actually think that The Dope Show, The Beautiful People, and Sweet Dreams should be the ONLY staple songs. The crowd loves them so to take them out completely isn't required. I enjoy them too, if nothing else for the crowd going crazy for them. The current setlist isn't bad I just wanna see some more variation. I think there is tons of songs that the casual fans would love to hear as well as us hardcore fans. I'm not saying pull out a bunch of obscure songs or anything but songs that were huge hits on tours before would surely, surely be hits on tours now. Right? Like ACSS with podium/bible tearing for example.

=)

Dronepool
08-15-2012, 03:09 AM
The Dope Show, The Beautiful People, and Sweet Dreams are ESSENTIAL to the setlist. It's the bands core legacy hits. I'm going to see Manson 10 times after I see the RZ/MM show and I still LOVE hearing Dope Show live. The atmosphere and energy of everybody being into it is just awesome.

rusty shackleford
08-16-2012, 01:24 PM
All I ask for is Angel....that or Lunchbox, Cake and Sodomy, I don't like the Drugs, The Fight song, I Want to Disappear, FUCK anything besides the same exact songs. I agree we should spare atleast 4 solid singles but c'mon give us some ROCK AND ROLL!

thousand_kisses
08-16-2012, 03:45 PM
maybe playing a bit of a longer set, say an hour and a half instead of the roughly hour/hour and ten minutes we've been getting, would allow for him to play the "hits"(yawn) while also playing some of the more obscure, lesser-played material.