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filthytothecore
05-28-2012, 01:35 AM
I'll start with my first one. http://fleursdumal.org/poem/191 Charles Baudelaire's Poem Called: Les Litanies de Satan.

Cat
05-28-2012, 02:20 AM
I'm not a Satanist, but many people think I am because I often post in Satanic forums.

- I don't really like labels, I'm just me.

Nice poem, really beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

Sans Agendum
05-28-2012, 01:54 PM
All self proclaimed 'Satanists' I've ever encountered have turned out to be manipulative, selfish, leech people who don't get very far in life because it's pretty transparent how they just use people for their own promotion and will say and do anything to get you on their side for selfish reasons. They also all tend to think they're all a lot more clever than they really are as half their time is spent alone in their rooms thinking about how smart they are. So I guess the way Satanism has inspired me is that I tend to disregard 'satanists' and acquire currency.

Whisky And Speed
05-28-2012, 02:02 PM
I love Satan that's enough, and I wish he was a real character so I could contact him.But sadly, there is no drugged out devils or square hallowed angles walking among us.

filthytothecore
05-29-2012, 01:38 PM
Satanic thought of the day, If you don't beleive in yourself no one else will.

Atom
05-29-2012, 05:48 PM
All self proclaimed 'Satanists' I've ever encountered have turned out to be manipulative, selfish, leech people who don't get very far in life because it's pretty transparent how they just use people for their own promotion and will say and do anything to get you on their side for selfish reasons. They also all tend to think they're all a lot more clever than they really are as half their time is spent alone in their rooms thinking about how smart they are. So I guess the way Satanism has inspired me is that I tend to disregard 'satanists' and acquire currency.

I won't generalize like you did, but I pretty much found that the above applies to extremists of any religion.

Cat
05-30-2012, 02:08 AM
Atom..... You hit the nail on the head there!

The Satanists I know are very intelligent ;-)...... and they are also polite people with good manners!

If you meet people without judging them, then you will often see their minds more clear.

If you meet people full of ignorance, then you will often create a lot of negativity.

Sans Agendum
05-30-2012, 02:26 AM
Yeah polite and well mannered for all the wrong reasons. They don't give a shit about other people and just want to use you.

Throw caution to the wind and you'll get fucked over in time.

Cat
05-30-2012, 04:00 AM
It seems that you have a lot of negative experiences with Satanists, but you have to remember that your reality isn't the only reality.

I have good experiences with Satanists. - Some of them have been helping me when I went through a difficult time, and they didn't ask for anything back.

I don't jugde people for being who they are, I don't judge a spider for being a spider either!

I think you act very paranoid here......

filthytothecore
05-30-2012, 10:56 AM
I don't see what you really have against Satanists That stay to their own, For all intents and purposes you're just making yourself look bad.

Atom
05-30-2012, 11:47 AM
Yeah polite and well mannered for all the wrong reasons. They don't give a shit about other people and just want to use you.

Throw caution to the wind and you'll get fucked over in time.

This isn't a trait that's exclusive to Satanists. This is something that all humans are capable of and often do. I'm not trying to sound pretentious, but we're all using those we choose to associate with for one reason or another. Whether it's to feel happier because we enjoy their company or for "shallower" reasons, like so we can fuck them over and get ahead.

You're acting pretty childish and I wonder if you're not just offended by the idea Satanism in general because it's different from what you believe. If you don't agree with Satanism and don't agree with people's beliefs that's one thing. I'm sure you're capable of discussing it like an adult or actually making some sort of point. But to come in here and shit all over it and people who believe in it is another.

I'm not a satanist, I don't believe in any of that stuff, but I know you'd be stomping your feet and crying at your computer if I went into a thread about your beliefs and pissed all over them. Since you were pretty anal in a thread about Manson's beliefs and god (particularly when atheism was brought up). I mean, you accused me of misquoting you, called me an asshole for disagreeing with you and thought I'd give a shit that you supposedly put me on "ignore". I only remember that because I was amazed that someone would completely avoid discussing something that they're supposedly passionate about, and instead flat out lie and then resort to name-calling.

Seriously, either shut up or actually say something and don't get your panties in a bunch when people treat you the same way you treat them. If you're going to be a dick, be a dick with a point.

filthytothecore
05-30-2012, 04:12 PM
This isn't a trait that's exclusive to Satanists. This is something that all humans are capable of and often do. I'm not trying to sound pretentious, but we're all using those we choose to associate with for one reason or another. Whether it's to feel happier because we enjoy their company or for "shallower" reasons, like so we can fuck them over and get ahead.

You're acting pretty childish and I wonder if you're not just offended by the idea Satanism in general because it's different from what you believe. If you don't agree with Satanism and don't agree with people's beliefs that's one thing. I'm sure you're capable of discussing it like an adult or actually making some sort of point. But to come in here and shit all over it and people who believe in it is another.

I'm not a satanist, I don't believe in any of that stuff, but I know you'd be stomping your feet and crying at your computer if I went into a thread about your beliefs and pissed all over them. Since you were pretty anal in a thread about Manson's beliefs and god (particularly when atheism was brought up). I mean, you accused me of misquoting you, called me an asshole for disagreeing with you and thought I'd give a shit that you supposedly put me on "ignore". I only remember that because I was amazed that someone would completely avoid discussing something that they're supposedly passionate about, and instead flat out lie and then resort to name-calling.

Seriously, either shut up or actually say something and don't get your panties in a bunch when people treat you the same way you treat them. If you're going to be a dick, be a dick with a point.

I agree 100% with what you'v said Atom, It's one thing to disagree with someone but to say everyone is the same because of past experiences with others, Is quite judgemental, I'll quote something from your religion Brad: Judge not, That you not be judged. Matthew 7:1.

filthytothecore
05-30-2012, 04:14 PM
Here is my thought of the day, Care for those who are close to you, and mean well even, If they do not fully understand what you are.

AssetReign
05-30-2012, 04:15 PM
I don't believe in God (and therefore that excludes a belief in Satan) but Wiccan beliefs intrigue me.

Sans Agendum
05-30-2012, 04:33 PM
This isn't a trait that's exclusive to Satanists. This is something that all humans are capable of and often do. I'm not trying to sound pretentious, but we're all using those we choose to associate with for one reason or another. Whether it's to feel happier because we enjoy their company or for "shallower" reasons, like so we can fuck them over and get ahead.

You're acting pretty childish and I wonder if you're not just offended by the idea Satanism in general because it's different from what you believe. If you don't agree with Satanism and don't agree with people's beliefs that's one thing. I'm sure you're capable of discussing it like an adult or actually making some sort of point. But to come in here and shit all over it and people who believe in it is another.

I'm not a satanist, I don't believe in any of that stuff, but I know you'd be stomping your feet and crying at your computer if I went into a thread about your beliefs and pissed all over them. Since you were pretty anal in a thread about Manson's beliefs and god (particularly when atheism was brought up). I mean, you accused me of misquoting you, called me an asshole for disagreeing with you and thought I'd give a shit that you supposedly put me on "ignore". I only remember that because I was amazed that someone would completely avoid discussing something that they're supposedly passionate about, and instead flat out lie and then resort to name-calling.

Seriously, either shut up or actually say something and don't get your panties in a bunch when people treat you the same way you treat them. If you're going to be a dick, be a dick with a point.

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Whisky And Speed
05-30-2012, 05:35 PM
I think that laveyan/atheistic satanism appeals more to me and my mind since that I don't believe in God or superstition but I find my self agreeing with a lot ,not all, of what Anton Lavey said and I think that he's one of the most intelligent men who walked on earth,at least in terms of showmanship and writing books.

thanks,

Atom
05-30-2012, 06:18 PM
I don't believe in satanism and don't agree with most of it. I read the satanic bible and dabbled into it (not the spells and crap though) in high school and found it just as restricting and difficult to believe in as Christianity. I never really believed in any of it but felt like reading about it. I think some of what it talks about is pretty similar to basic human/animal behavior. Which, of course, I can't really disagree with.

I can understand why it would feel empowering to some people. But I don't think empowerment is necessarily right or a good thing. I'll have to skim through some of it later and pick out what stands out to me the most. The benefit of the satanic bible is how short and to the point it is. Some might see that as a flaw though.



http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/154/912/berneydidnotread.gif

Translation: I did read it but am too stupid to think of an appropriate response.

This isn't Yahoo chat, man. Messages will be longer than the "LOLs" you send to people on messenger. Enough with your tired memes and gifs. Anyone with an Internet connection since 2009 has already seen it before and seen it done much better.

AssetReign
05-30-2012, 07:27 PM
I think that laveyan/atheistic satanism appeals more to me and my mind since that I don't believe in God or superstition but I find my self agreeing with a lot ,not all, of what Anton Lavey said and I think that he's one of the most intelligent men who walked on earth,at least in terms of showmanship and writing books.

thanks,

I'm not sure you can dismiss the existence of God if you're willing to acknowledge the existence of Satan.

Sans Agendum
05-30-2012, 09:03 PM
I don't believe in satanism and don't agree with most of it. I read the satanic bible and dabbled into it (not the spells and crap though) in high school and found it just as restricting and difficult to believe in as Christianity. I never really believed in any of it but felt like reading about it. I think some of what it talks about is pretty similar to basic human/animal behavior. Which, of course, I can't really disagree with.

I can understand why it would feel empowering to some people. But I don't think empowerment is necessarily right or a good thing. I'll have to skim through some of it later and pick out what stands out to me the most. The benefit of the satanic bible is how short and to the point it is. Some might see that as a flaw though.




Translation: I did read it but am too stupid to think of an appropriate response.

This isn't Yahoo chat, man. Messages will be longer than the "LOLs" you send to people on messenger. Enough with your tired memes and gifs. Anyone with an Internet connection since 2009 has already seen it before and seen it done much better.
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Whisky And Speed
05-30-2012, 10:46 PM
LMAO.

Mugwump
05-31-2012, 01:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuYfrmp5MFM&nomobile=1

"Satanism is effectively just a religion for atheists who are dicks, that facilitates their dickishness by allowing them to act like dicks around other dicks."

Pretty much. Spot on I'd say.

Sticky Killer Jones
05-31-2012, 01:49 AM
All self proclaimed 'Satanists' I've ever encountered have turned out to be manipulative, selfish, leech people who don't get very far in life because it's pretty transparent how they just use people for their own promotion and will say and do anything to get you on their side for selfish reasons. They also all tend to think they're all a lot more clever than they really are as half their time is spent alone in their rooms thinking about how smart they are. So I guess the way Satanism has inspired me is that I tend to disregard 'satanists' and acquire currency.

Agreed. I would like to add to this though that from personal experience, the only Satanists I can tolerate tend be older people, in their 30s-50s, whom aren't dogmatic, actually are self-reliant and have reasonably healthy view of people and their flaws, instead reverting to that lulzy put on misanthropy. What you're describing is how 90% of Satanists younger than that have behaved around me, and most of them tend to drop Satanism later on, once it stops 'working' for them.

Dogmatism of any faith or philosophy or even political belief will exemplify the nastiest traits in a person, but a dogmatic Christian is not comparable to a dogmatic Satanist, the same way a dogmatic leftist Socialist is very different from a dogmatic conservative Libertarian. I think it has more to do with what they're looking for.

People find Christianity (or most religions) when they're feeling a lack of fulfillment, even if they may have everything material wise. They may find it because they were suffering, and needed guidance and answers. I'm sure that's the case for a number of Satanists, but most of them seem to be edgy about being restricted from simple pleasures or questioning hypocrisy they were guilt tripped or prohibited from exploring from whatever dogma they had put on them. They feel naturally entitled to the good things in life (as everybody should) and feel self-sufficient enough not to invest themselves to worshiping an external entity or following the rules of it's institution, be it God or the government. And that can be empowering for someone who's worked hard for what they had who had to make do with very little or had someone leeching them that they never got to really enjoy the comforts from the fruits of their labor. In that manner, I can see why Satanism can inspire people.

But for those who come into Satanism who've never really experienced any severe lack of material goods or resources in their lives or never had to work to the bone to put money into all their Marilyn Manson memorabilia, PS3, IPhone, and their weekly trips to the mall to afford all the $30+ band tees and $100+ jeans they own, they tend to exhibit the characteristics that Sans described. When you have everything, it's difficult for you to crave or give compassion to those who lack. To those who are in a rougher situation than you'll ever be. It's easy to laugh at the homeless Vietnam veteran who's covered in urine and a rash than to give them a few dollars, a cigarette or a meal. It's easy to believe you're Mr. Intellectual Who Don't Need No Stupid Jesus because, hey, you don't. It's easy as shit to complain about religion lacking logic, because where the hell is the logic in trying to find God when you don't need God. Disregarding other people, being self-centered and cocky is easier than getting acquainted with that uncomfortable feeling your gut called compassion. Because Compassion is overrated, only for bleeding heart Christians and liberals who fall for sob stories.

I'm an openly gay person living in the Bible Belt, so I've actually had put up with people forcing 'God' on me, either rhetorically or with violence. I have family members that do not even want me around their children, because of 'God'. Most people who forced their 'God' on me lacked the ability frequently to question the hypocrisy of their fundamentalist teachings, and hardly even bother skim through the Bible and just cite shit they listened to on The 700 Club. They are not Christians, they are human beings who have been brainwashed into fearing people like me, much less fearing anything that challenges their vanilla view of how people should be. I've had a cop warn me that if more people came to him with false sexual harassment claims because they were so uncomfortable with my faggotry, he would correct me by forcing me to suck him off at gunpoint. The same man I saw at mass every Sunday growing up, with Jesus hanging from his neck.

Even living through that, and acknowledging that even today, dogmatic Christian extremists in U.S. government are actually more of a danger to me than say, Sharia Law or some Muslim radical blowing up the local Wal-Mart. But does that give me reason to dismiss Christianity, or religion in general? No. Religion fascinates me in the same way the history of ancient civilizations do. I believe there's a lot to be learned by studying faith, listening to a priest, shaman, what have you. It can't be forced. Dogmatism is a gross trait in anyone, especially if they're pushing their ideology incorrectly. I'm not a devout subscriber to any faith, but I don't close my mind to listening and then lumping everyone into a group I won't consider because I've run into a lot of nastiness in my life.

Just because a large number of fundamentalist Christians are assholes or hold on to outdated beliefs doesn't absolve Satanists of asshattery. Don't pretend to be victims. As I can tell you, I'm nobody's victim.

Sans Agendum
05-31-2012, 06:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQeHlMQt1XY

Shangri-LIE
05-31-2012, 06:44 AM
Satanism has never inspired me. The Satanic Bible is an interesting read, but most of the Satanists that I know are pretentious twits who believe that they are evil incarnate and love dressing up like sorcerers and decomposing roadkill prostitutes.

ThreeEyedGod
05-31-2012, 12:45 PM
Didn't this tired shit die in the 90's "satanic panic"?


It's all about being a kewl anti-conformist rebel. They crave to be victims, so they can be all like, " you just don't understand us, a pox upon you!"

spaceSuicide
05-31-2012, 01:23 PM
A Satanist thread? On a Marilyn Manson forum? Who'd have though...and there wasn't one before now? Well shit, now Provider Module is a REAL Marilyn Manson forum.

I'm not a satanist, not religious at all really and tend to never talk or think of religion in any shape or form. I'm best described as an Agnostic with Atheistic tendencies.

Atom
05-31-2012, 02:32 PM
Let's just be honest - Christians, Satanist, Muslim, whatever... you're all insane.

Atom
05-31-2012, 02:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuYfrmp5MFM&nomobile=1

"Satanism is effectively just a religion for atheists who are dicks, that facilitates their dickishness by allowing them to act like dicks around other dicks."

Pretty much. Spot on I'd say.

Pretty much bullshit, I'd say.

I'm an atheist and a dick and I don't believe in spells or any of that nonsense. Anyone who claims to believe in things based off of evidence of their existence or facts would not believe in Satanism just as they wouldn't follow Christianity.

Sans Agendum
05-31-2012, 03:08 PM
Stop being so butthurt, Atom.

Mugwump
05-31-2012, 03:38 PM
Pretty much bullshit, I'd say.

I'm an atheist and a dick and I don't believe in spells or any of that nonsense. Anyone who claims to believe in things based off of evidence of their existence or facts would not believe in Satanism just as they wouldn't follow Christianity.

Could you plz not tell me about your personal beliefs? I feel like I know enough about you as it is, and I hardly follow your posts at all. Thanks.

:-/

Atom
05-31-2012, 05:43 PM
:-/ ??? ¯\(º o)/¯ !!!



Stop being so butthurt, Atom.

I'm not butthurt, faggot. Go record another video chat and take the internet too seriously again.

filthytothecore
05-31-2012, 08:18 PM
Really if you're going to judge someone based on your past experiences with their religion, Then who's to say you shouldn't be judged for that?

Sans Agendum
05-31-2012, 08:49 PM
:-/ ??? ¯\(º o)/¯ !!!




I'm not butthurt, faggot. Go record another video chat and take the internet too seriously again.

I don't know how to record video chats.

Dronepool
05-31-2012, 10:38 PM
It's an interesting philosophy but I agree with most of the people here, usually people who claim to be 'satanist' and are under 30 are usually dumb, but again there are older people obsessed with it who act just as dumb as troubled 17 year olds who find the Satanic Bible in their local bookstore chain and start to get into the gimmick.

brian219
06-03-2012, 11:09 AM
It's an interesting philosophy but I agree with most of the people here, usually people who claim to be 'satanist' and are under 30 are usually dumb, but again there are older people obsessed with it who act just as dumb as troubled 17 year olds who find the Satanic Bible in their local bookstore chain and start to get into the gimmick.

I agree, as well, about the Satanists under 30. But I think the ones over 30 only seem more mature on the surface. Totally superficially. I think there are many both over and under 30 on this board. And Sans is right, they ARE selfish opportunists.

filthytothecore
06-03-2012, 03:09 PM
What religion isn't full of opportunists? If you're going to jsut single out one and say they are bad, May as well lump them all into one and say there are shitty people of all religions.

brian219
06-03-2012, 03:34 PM
What religion isn't full of opportunists? If you're going to jsut single out one and say they are bad, May as well lump them all into one and say there are shitty people of all religions.

Sorry, Filthy. I was just taking Sans Agendum's word for it. I've never actually met a real Satanist.

Sans Agendum
06-03-2012, 05:04 PM
What religion isn't full of opportunists? If you're going to jsut single out one and say they are bad, May as well lump them all into one and say there are shitty people of all religions.I've met cool Muslims, cool Christians, cool Jews, cool Hindus and cool Bhuddists. I have never met a cool Scientologist or a cool Satanist. They are pretty much universally selfish pricks as a rule. They're even proud of it.

Atom
06-03-2012, 05:28 PM
I've met cool Muslims, cool Christians, cool Jews, cool Hindus and cool Bhuddists. I have never met a cool Scientologist or a cool Satanist. They are pretty much universally selfish pricks as a rule. They're even proud of it.

Well, to be fair there's a fuckload more Christians, Muslims, and Jews than there are Satanists.


There is no such thing as a "cool" Scientologist though.

Sans Agendum
06-03-2012, 07:33 PM
Thank God for THAT.

filthytothecore
06-03-2012, 07:55 PM
So you're going to blame everyone of the same religion, For what someone else did to you? You relise that's not logical correct?

Golden Eel
06-03-2012, 08:27 PM
So you're going to blame everyone of the same religion, For what someone else did to you? You relise that's not logical correct?

Isn't the entire point of Satanism about worshiping yourself? You don't see how this could lead to an imbalance of egocenstrism and deceit in comparison to other 'religions'? Weren't you, just the other day, talking about using people as tools to attain a personal and selfish goal?

brian219
06-03-2012, 09:43 PM
Isn't the entire point of Satanism about worshiping yourself? You don't see how this could lead to an imbalance of egocenstrism and deceit in comparison to other 'religions'? Weren't you, just the other day, talking about using people as tools to attain a personal and selfish goal?

That doesn't mean that every Satanist is good at. Just like there's the cliché of the sinful Christian who's always trying to "get right with God," there must be struggling Satanists who keep slipping up and caring about people.

filthytothecore
06-03-2012, 10:24 PM
Not everyone beleives in Lavey's Philosophy, If you think his is the only version you're mistaken.

brian219
06-03-2012, 10:51 PM
Not everyone beleives in Lavey's Philosophy, If you think his is the only version you're mistaken.

You mean the Yezidi thing? Like the actual worship of Helel? Filthy, do you pray to the devil?

Cat
06-04-2012, 03:25 AM
I'm not even sure what you people are ''fighting'' about?!

- Why not let people be people?!

brian219
06-04-2012, 03:51 AM
I'm not even sure what you people are ''fighting'' about?!

- Why not let people be people?!

Who's fighting? We're discussing Satanism and the different perceptions of what that concept means to different people. There's an underlying subtopic about generalization, but it's been within the scope of the topic at hand and it hasn't led to anything that should be considered fighting.

Cat
06-04-2012, 06:51 AM
I understand Brian.

Anyway,

I got some questions to everybody inside this topic!

Isn't it important to make yourself happy before you can make anybody else happy?

Isn't it important to take care of yourself before you can take care of anybody else?

Isn't there two kinds of selfishness?! - A positive one, and a negative one?!

You can be selfish in a positive way ( where you know you have to take care of yourself before you can take care of others ) - And you can be selfish in a negative way where you use and abuse people without thinking about their feelings!?

- Only psychopaths abuse living creatures, and we can find psychopaths everywhere, and in all kinds of religions.

Terrapin
06-04-2012, 10:05 AM
I got some questions to everybody inside this topic!

Isn't it important to make yourself happy before you can make anybody else happy?

Isn't it important to take care of yourself before you can take care of anybody else?

Isn't there two kinds of selfishness?! - A positive one, and a negative one?!

You can be selfish in a positive way ( where you know you have to take care of yourself before you can take care of others ) - And you can be selfish in a negative way where you use and abuse people without thinking about their feelings!?

In response to your first question, there are those who achieve happiness BY making other people happy. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I couldn't underestimate how good it feels to help out others in need, since you feel generally better about yourself in the process. If people are always only looking out for themselves, and that's it, what a bleak world we would live in. For some reason, probably through realities of overpopulation and limiting resources, more and more people are inclined to only think of themselves and separate from the rest of our world.

Yes, I believe it is important to take care of yourself before much can be done to help anyone else. However, one can easily push this notion too far and become more on the "negative" side of selfishness (as you've outlined here). As long as basic amenities are met, you really don't need much in life for various forms of happiness. Since I highly doubt many here are currently scraping to survive, Hell... we are currently on a computer connected with people around the world, that notion you've outlined starts diluting itself.


OT: I considered myself a LaVeyan Satanist back in middle school. Was exposed to it through a friend who let me borrow his copy of the Satanic Bible. At the time, I was very much against the church that raised me (Catholicism), and this route was the perfect antithesis toward that dogma. Satanism supplied a different form of dogma in response, and was easily relatable. While never accepting the magic aspect of Satanism, I considered myself a closet Satanist up through into high school. Around time of graduation, however, I started to become humored by the notion of Satanism as it started to seem whiny and up its own ass. At this point, I went on to consider myself anti-theistic and eventually calmed down further into plain atheist/rationalist.

So I suppose the way Satanism inspired me, alongside Marilyn Manson, was that they gave me an olive branch to the alternative when I was searching for one. Even though I would eventually drop Satanism entirely, and inevitably laugh at the very notion, I guess you could say it's still an inspiration.

brian219
06-04-2012, 12:43 PM
That's all very surprising to hear, Jake. It's fortunate and interesting that you found a path that led to such a different place than the one you were in. The people I've known that come to mind when I read what you've described, all either ended up deadening themselves, basically becoming stone, or ended up pushing it all down and putting on false smiles to mask what they felt. I'm impressed at the resolve it must have taken to redefine your situation on your own terms and avoid the pitfalls that others often fall into.

Atom
06-04-2012, 02:40 PM
Haha, are you arguing over which belief is stupider than yours. Which piece of shit tastes less like shit, Sans?

Terrapin
06-04-2012, 03:15 PM
Haha, are you arguing over which belief is stupider than yours. Which piece of shit tastes less like shit, Sans?

I'm confused as to what this response is pertaining to. Care to explain?

Atom
06-04-2012, 04:47 PM
Never mind. This shit keeps sending me to old ass messages even if I've already viewed them. My mistake.

Sans Agendum
06-04-2012, 05:14 PM
It's okay, Atom. I forgive you and will not be seeking any 'revenge'. :)

Atom
06-04-2012, 05:31 PM
God bless!

Cat
06-05-2012, 08:59 PM
In response to your first question, there are those who achieve happiness BY making other people happy. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I couldn't underestimate how good it feels to help out others in need, since you feel generally better about yourself in the process. If people are always only looking out for themselves, and that's it, what a bleak world we would live in. For some reason, probably through realities of overpopulation and limiting resources, more and more people are inclined to only think of themselves and separate from the rest of our world.

Yes, I believe it is important to take care of yourself before much can be done to help anyone else. However, one can easily push this notion too far and become more on the "negative" side of selfishness (as you've outlined here). As long as basic amenities are met, you really don't need much in life for various forms of happiness. Since I highly doubt many here are currently scraping to survive, Hell... we are currently on a computer connected with people around the world, that notion you've outlined starts diluting itself.




You will never push it too far if you have compassion and empthy.

It's all about balance, it took me some time to find the balance because I always want the people I care about to be happy.

Cat
06-05-2012, 09:40 PM
Hmm I think I need to explain a little more here. - It's also a kind of selfishness to help others if it makes you feel good.

It's always been natural for me to help others because I have empthy, so I needed to find some balance otherwise I wouldn't have any energy left to take care of myself.

I have the balance now, but it took me years to find it to be honest..... I think I cared a little to much, it wasn't healthy because we can't ''safe'' others, we can only help people to learn to help themselves.

filthytothecore
06-05-2012, 11:50 PM
The path of Thee Serpent, Isn't one for the weak or the timid, That is why we are elite above all others, Besides that we care for our own, and Those we are close with, Love should not be thrown away to someone you have no personal stake with.
-Filthy-
IMPERATOR, SOTER, LAEVUS LEVUS DIVINITUS DRACONIS!

Atom
06-06-2012, 08:22 AM
Hahaha, "elite above all others"? Hahahaha

Mugwump
06-06-2012, 08:50 AM
IMPERATOR, SOTER, LAEVUS LEVUS DIVINITUS DRACONIS!

OMFG! DID HE JUST CAST A SPELL ON US!?!?

BEGONE, WIZARD!
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpslghWUVt1r0ftodo1_500.gif

Terrapin
06-06-2012, 09:04 AM
Hmm I think I need to explain a little more here. - It's also a kind of selfishness to help others if it makes you feel good.

It's always been natural for me to help others because I have empthy, so I needed to find some balance otherwise I wouldn't have any energy left to take care of myself.

I"m having a difficult time seeing how it's selfish to feel good about helping others. The very idea stems from empathy and compassion as you've drawn them out. We help others in need not only because it's right, but because it feels good. And as I pointed out before, unless our basic needs aren't being met/or endangered, helping others comes quite naturally (excluding the ass-hats of the world). That balance is usually implied. If someone needs a dogmatic religion to figure this balance out, or to guide their way, they tend to be missing the point entirely.

Atom
06-06-2012, 09:12 AM
I personally don't think it's "selfish" to help others. "Selfish" is definitely the wrong word. But it's obviously not purely done just to help others. It's done because it also makes one feel good. Would people be as inclined to help others if it made them feel like shit and morbidly depressed?

Mugwump
06-06-2012, 09:15 AM
Helping others actually makes you feel good naturally, so there is really nothing selfish about that.

Good deeds do in fact make people feel good. (http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/kindness_makes_you_happy_and_happiness_makes_you_k ind)

Atom
06-06-2012, 09:18 AM
Helping others actually makes you feel good naturally, so there is really nothing selfish about that.

Good deeds do in fact make people feel good. (http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/kindness_makes_you_happy_and_happiness_makes_you_k ind)

Was anyone denying that it makes people feel good or that it was an unnatural reaction?

Mugwump
06-06-2012, 09:22 AM
That was regarding what Marian said, "It's also a kind of selfishness to help others if it makes you feel good."

Let's look at your question now, "Would people be as inclined to help others if it made them feel like shit and morbidly depressed?" In your weird, hypothetical Universe where helping people actually makes you feel BAD, I suppose, no, we wouldn't be as inclined to help others.

You know what, what if helping people not only made you feel bad but also gave you herpes? Would we still be willing to help others?

Sans Agendum
06-06-2012, 10:40 AM
I love how the people making the whole "Helping people only cause it makes you feel good is selfish!" argument are the same people who make the "Fuck it man just do what makes you feel good! Fuck God, be yourself! #YOLO" stance.

filthytothecore
06-06-2012, 12:33 PM
I love how the people making the whole "Helping people only cause it makes you feel good is selfish!" argument are the same people who make the "Fuck it man just do what makes you feel good! Fuck God, be yourself! #YOLO" stance.

You have to remember not everyone is going to worship the same way you do, If you think everyone should that's jsut illogical very much, Not a sane eprson is going to think the same way, The point being everyone is different get over it.

Atom
06-06-2012, 12:39 PM
That was regarding what Marian said, "It's also a kind of selfishness to help others if it makes you feel good."

Let's look at your question now, "Would people be as inclined to help others if it made them feel like shit and morbidly depressed?" In your weird, hypothetical Universe where helping people actually makes you feel BAD, I suppose, no, we wouldn't be as inclined to help others.

You know what, what if helping people not only made you feel bad but also gave you herpes? Would we still be willing to help others?

I do whatever the book I'm living my life by tells me I should do.

BOOM

Next question.

Atom
06-06-2012, 12:40 PM
And anyone who claims that helping others is selfish is a complete retard.

AssetReign
06-06-2012, 01:57 PM
Maybe Marian meant if your only motivation to help others is to make yourself look and feel good, then your reason for doing so is a selfish one. There are a surprising number of people who do things for others simply for the praise and glory heaped upon them.

Mugwump
06-06-2012, 03:11 PM
I do whatever the book I'm living my life by tells me I should do.

BOOM

Next question.

Do you think that I'm a Christian and you just made some kind of point?

:(

Atom
06-06-2012, 03:20 PM
Do you think that I'm a Christian and you just made some kind of point?

:(

No, you moron. I think I just made some kind of joke.

Satanists read their little book too. It was a jab at them as much as it was at Christians or any other faith for that matter.

Mugwump
06-06-2012, 03:36 PM
No, you moron. I think I just made some kind of joke.

Satanists read their little book too. It was a jab at them as much as it was at Christians or any other faith for that matter.
You should work on your jokes. You were all over the place back there. Maybe comedy isn't your thing.

:(

Atom
06-06-2012, 06:23 PM
It was two sentences, Llama. It may not have been funny but it was pretty much right to the point. I still plan on praying for you tonight (if I'm not drunk on confirmation whine LOLOL).

:)

Cat
06-06-2012, 08:16 PM
Maybe Marian meant if your only motivation to help others is to make yourself look and feel good, then your reason for doing so is a selfish one. There are a surprising number of people who do things for others simply for the praise and glory heaped upon them.

True.

It's nice to see that you understood what I meant.

I just woke up when I posted this maybe I should have explained myself better ;-) but I was sooo tired.

Cat
06-06-2012, 08:58 PM
If someone needs a dogmatic religion to figure this balance out, or to guide their way, they tend to be missing the point entirely.

I think that can be very true in some cases, but I don't want to generalize here because I don't just see the world as black and white.

I never needed any religion in my life!

But if it helps people to follow a religion, then I don't want to judge them because people do whatever works for them!

I actually don't think it's anybody's business how people choose to live their life! - Why do people think it's their business?

Sans Agendum
06-06-2012, 09:50 PM
True.

It's nice to see that you understood what I meant.

I just woke up when I posted this maybe I should have explained myself better ;-) but I was sooo tired.
That's kind of just assuming motives though. If you're the type of person who assumes people are doing nice things simply for selfish reasons it says more about you than it does about them.

Cat
06-07-2012, 12:59 AM
Isn't it important to make yourself happy before you can make anybody else happy?

Isn't it important to take care of yourself before you can take care of anybody else?

Isn't there two kinds of selfishness?! - A positive one, and a negative one?!

You can be selfish in a positive way ( where you know you have to take care of yourself before you can take care of others ) - And you can be selfish in a negative way where you use and abuse people without thinking about their feelings!?

- Only psychopaths abuse living creatures, and we can find psychopaths everywhere, and in all kinds of religions.

I'm gonna quote myself here because I think somebody in this topic didn't get my point! :-)

Dronepool
06-07-2012, 02:09 AM
I love how the people making the whole "Helping people only cause it makes you feel good is selfish!" argument are the same people who make the "Fuck it man just do what makes you feel good! Fuck God, be yourself! #YOLO" stance.

^

<3

Doing good spreads positive energy. The other day this old man was walking with a rollator that had bags of groceries, in the middle of the street a gallon of milk fell, I looked at him struggling to get it so within seconds I ran to him and helped him. I felt good because I used my responsibility as a healthier, faster, younger human to help a person in need.

I always hated that particular statement. You don't help to pat yourself on the back, you help because humans should have compassion.

brian219
06-07-2012, 02:14 AM
I think any religion can serve as a good starting point toward personal growth. If someone starts with a religion and it's set of "rules" and they end up considering those rules and why they exist, it can lead to much more depth than simply doing something because some leader or book said do it.

Religion without growth is really just stagnation. Anyone who subscribes to a religion fully is really just saying "I'm done growing, I'm complete." These are those that feel compelled to try and "correct" the beliefs of others. My opinion is that everyone lives and dies continuing to grow and learn.

I do think that there are such things as right and wrong, and that these are easily observable by anyone. Religion should be a step on the road to discovering them more fully and to other universal truths. This is rarely the case, unfortunately, because people are quick to embrace arrogance. Arrogance leads to judgment and judgment leads to all sorts of nasty things, from burning witches to mass graves.

All that said, Satanism makes sense as a reactionary movement against "Christians." Unfortunately, it's ethics heavily echo what goes wrong with religions, especially Christianity. Organized Christianity is most infamous for imposing it's will on others. In fact, as an entity it's behaved very much like a LaVeyan Satanist. LaVey encouraged true loyalty only to one's self and recommended taking advantage whenever one's will could be imposed. Hasn't this entity called "Christianity" behaved with the very animal nature that LaVey condoned? The only difference is that LaVey started with selfishness as a guidepost whereas Christianity just got there the honest way, by fucking up.

Cat
06-07-2012, 02:48 AM
^

<3

Doing good spreads positive energy. The other day this old man was walking with a rollator that had bags of groceries, in the middle of the street a gallon of milk fell, I looked at him struggling to get it so within seconds I ran to him and helped him. I felt good because I used my responsibility as a healthier, faster, younger human to help a person in need.

I always hated that particular statement. You don't help to pat yourself on the back, you help because humans should have compassion.

Hehe very true, I do this as well, but normally I don't talk about it, I just act!

I don't think we can explain anything to Sans Agendum because he isn't acting very kind in this forum, in fact, he should be happy that I don't go down to his level and play his games because he would lose so fast :-)............. because everything he says about others says even more about himself, I wish he could see that everything he accuse other people of doing, he is also doing himself! LOL

But since I'm such sweetheart *grin/irony* then I choose to believe that he is just joking.... well, at least I hope he is joking around in here because if he isn't then he will create big problems for himself.

And then I actually feel sorry for him because then he needs help to correct his brain imbalance, but I'm afraid he is too stubborn to admit his own shortcomings!

Whisky And Speed
06-07-2012, 02:33 PM
Hehe very true, I do this as well, but normally I don't talk about it, I just act!

I don't think we can explain anything to Sans Agendum because he isn't acting very kind in this forum, in fact, he should be happy that I don't go down to his level and play his games because he would lose so fast :-)............. because everything he says about others says even more about himself, I wish he could see that everything he accuse other people of doing, he is also doing himself! LOL

But since I'm such sweetheart *grin/irony* then I choose to believe that he is just joking.... well, at least I hope he is joking around in here because if he isn't then he will create big problems for himself.

And then I actually feel sorry for him because then he needs help to correct his brain imbalance, but I'm afraid he is too stubborn to admit his own shortcomings!

That's very very well said thank you.I wouldn't say anything better.

Sans Agendum
06-07-2012, 03:21 PM
I wasn't even talking about Mariam anywhere except where I quoted her and even then it was just a suggestion (hence the use of the word 'if') that I think was applicable to the things she was saying. It's not my problem that you got so defensive and felt the need to fire back with your accusations. I'm a very well adjusted person. I have a career and friends. I will say that I don't understand how she can say she isn't going to stoop to my 'level' and then proceeds to make all sorts of audacious claims against my character. Claiming to be so accepting and non-judgemental and then proceeding to judge me based off the very few exchanges we've had is rather conflicted. Pretty rude if you ask me. Playing the part of such a humanitarian while spewing complete nonsense about somebody you don't even know. THAT is a 'game' and YOU are the one playing it. Not me.

As someone who spent many years volunteering at outreaches and rehabilitation facilities, I feel strongly about the subject and someone saying that some people only do good things for their own gain is pretty offensive to me because you have no way of knowing where people's hearts are on the matter. That is for them and them alone. You can believe what you want though, I know who I am.

Maybe you should follow your own advice, Mariam, and realize that you are guilty of exactly what you are accusing me of.

AssetReign
06-07-2012, 05:08 PM
Speaking only for myself, what I said was IF ppl are performing charitable acts solely for the resulting glory and acclaim, then they are motivated by selfishness.

brian219
06-08-2012, 12:32 AM
Speaking only for myself, what I said was IF ppl are performing charitable acts solely for the resulting glory and acclaim, then they are motivated by selfishness.

I agree with that. I always love it when I hear about some massive anonymous donation to some charity.

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 04:19 AM
I agree with that. I always love it when I hear about some massive anonymous donation to some charity.


Exactly. A truly "charitable" person doesn't care about the praise and glory. The person who gives only to make themselves feel better is like a person with Munchausen by Proxy.

Sans Agendum
06-08-2012, 07:55 AM
Stay on topic you guys. If you want to discuss charity, start a thread about it. This thread is about worshiping the devil.

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 08:09 AM
^Stop being such a putz. The subject of "charity" originally came up in conjunction with this topic because of your generalization about Satanists. and I quote:
"All self proclaimed 'Satanists' I've ever encountered have turned out to be manipulative, selfish, leech people who don't get very far in life because it's pretty transparent how they just use people for their own promotion and will say and do anything to get you on their side for selfish reasons. They also all tend to think they're all a lot more clever than they really are as half their time is spent alone in their rooms thinking about how smart they are. So I guess the way Satanism has inspired me is that I tend to disregard 'satanists' and acquire currency. "

Sans Agendum
06-08-2012, 02:36 PM
I stand by that statement.

AssetReign
06-08-2012, 02:44 PM
I stand by that statement.


LOL

Sans Agendum
06-08-2012, 10:59 PM
LOL

We have a like button now to avoid this sort of clutter. Utilize it.

AssetReign
06-09-2012, 06:44 AM
We have a like button now to avoid this sort of clutter. Utilize it.

If I liked your comment, I would have used the "Like" button but, unfortunately, we don't have an "you're an attention-seeking idiot" button so I opted for a simple "LOL." Now stop being such a bossy prig and enjoy the board for what it is.

Sans Agendum
06-09-2012, 09:34 AM
Do you ever have anything nice to say? :(

Terrapin
06-09-2012, 10:26 AM
Keep it on topic, guys.

AssetReign
06-09-2012, 10:26 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/deebasile/MORT-bazooka_recentrecent_news.jpg

OK!

brian219
06-09-2012, 11:17 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/deebasile/MORT-bazooka_recentrecent_news.jpg

OK!

THAT'S how Satanism inspires you? AssetReign, you sure are weird, man.

ThreeEyedGod
06-09-2012, 12:48 PM
ugh, wtf ever, this whole fucking discussion is redundant. Just like every other (authentic) religion, this so called "satanism" charade is no different and probably even more so: you really think these so called satanists actually abide by the rules set forth by their " so called philosophy"?

Be chill, y'all

Terrapin
06-09-2012, 01:03 PM
To stray away from "LaVeyan Atheist Satanism," and maybe make this thread a little more interesting, what do you guys think of this kind of stuff (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Name_of_Satan.html)? It's more from the Theist Satanist perspective, which counters with pagan beliefs before the start of Christitanity. The link has to do with the origins of the name of Satan and more on why they worship that deity.

filthytothecore
06-09-2012, 05:42 PM
Interesting link Terrapin, I'll have to check it out more.

Sans Agendum
06-09-2012, 06:42 PM
To stray away from "LaVeyan Atheist Satanism," and maybe make this thread a little more interesting, what do you guys think of this kind of stuff (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Name_of_Satan.html)? It's more from the Theist Satanist perspective, which counters with pagan beliefs before the start of Christitanity. The link has to do with the origins of the name of Satan and more on why they worship that deity.

Pretty retarded.

"While the masses have been stripped of this knowledge and power, a select few who have worked to remove this knowledge use it liberally to enslave the unknowing world. The Jesuit assassins of the Catholic Church are known to even levitate as they draw off of the psychic power from the prayers of their unknowing vicitms. "

LOL

brian219
06-09-2012, 08:26 PM
Pretty retarded.

"While the masses have been stripped of this knowledge and power, a select few who have worked to remove this knowledge use it liberally to enslave the unknowing world. The Jesuit assassins of the Catholic Church are known to even levitate as they draw off of the psychic power from the prayers of their unknowing vicitms. "

LOL

I dunno. It all seems to be on the up and up to me.

21Faces
06-10-2012, 01:10 AM
The only thing dumber than atheistic Satanism would have to be theistic Satanism. As the video posted earlier summed up, Satanism is really just a silly way people justify being selfish twats. If you had to sum the whole thing up in one sentence it would be "Everyone is an asshole, run with it." The whole thing is pure contrarianism, weak-willed horseshit that neglects the simple fact that the major tenants of the Abrahamic religions evolved in the service of society's continuance and preservation.

Yes, deep down we're all fucking animals in it for ourselves. But it is specifically our collective rejection of that which evolves human society for the better. So basically Satanisms makes this painfully obvious assertion about human nature, and then suggests everyone should behave in a manner which would literally bring about the downfall of an organized, civil society. Truly, a philosophy for teenagers.

Speaking of which, for all its posturing Satanism really provides absolutely nothing whatsoever of value or substance to contemporary thinking. This whole idea of "Well, deep down everyone is really selfish- even when we do nice things" is just a ham-fisted clumsy attempt to grasp at Derrida's deconstruction of love, for example. A search for contemporary Satanic philosophers and theorists yields no names.

This thread is supposed to be about how Satanism inspires people right? Maybe we could start with a list of noteworthy self-proclaimed Satanists who have contributed anything of value to society, lol.

Dronepool
06-10-2012, 01:57 AM
To stray away from "LaVeyan Atheist Satanism," and maybe make this thread a little more interesting, what do you guys think of this kind of stuff (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Name_of_Satan.html)? It's more from the Theist Satanist perspective, which counters with pagan beliefs before the start of Christitanity. The link has to do with the origins of the name of Satan and more on why they worship that deity.

It's ridiculous.

Sans Agendum
06-23-2012, 12:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgmWrhSg8c

Fav
06-23-2012, 06:02 PM
Nobody other than 21Faces knows what Satanism is, and probably less than half of you could ever figure it out. Go home, youngsters. Go home.

Sans Agendum
06-23-2012, 08:48 PM
I completely agreed with what faces had to say. As usual. :)

Cat
06-23-2012, 09:49 PM
Nobody other than 21Faces knows what Satanism is.

Really? Lol

Are you drunk, or just an angry young man :-D

Don't think you know everything! - Just because some of us didn't want to explain what Satanism is inside this topic, doesn't mean that we don't know!

filthytothecore
06-24-2012, 12:33 AM
Satanism isn't for the timid, or weak. It's for those that are strong, Those that have the willpower to make things change in their life, To actually be a leader instead of a sheeople. Also it's funny when some say that Lavey's Satanism is the only Satanism there is, Those that think such are very delusional, and I somewhat pity them, That is all.

Cat
06-24-2012, 12:49 AM
I don't want to discuss this anymore because I'm really surprised about the hostility in this topic, and I'm also surprised about the lack of manners.

I only visit a few forums online, and my favorit forum is actually a satanic forum.

1984
06-24-2012, 02:14 AM
I've always found that most people who are into Satanism outgrew it as fast as they got into it. One of it's selling points was that it is 'the only religion of the flesh', meaning no spirituality.

And just on this point, I believe that it is stupid to follow some basic guidelines (albeit some self indulgent ones) to get through life that you could really do regardless whether you are going to label yourself a Satanist or not. It is equally, if not more stupid then to deluding oneself with ideas of eternal love and peace in Heaven, or to believe in being reincarnated as another creature. In fact, I think Satanism is a more stupid religion then any other because while other religions probably have more far fetched and unrealistic ideas then Satanism, the teachings and principles of most of them are peace, love and sharing. As long as the people from the older religions aren't fundamentalists, they are probably going to be a lot more pleasant and interesting to be around then some cock-snot-loving-faggot in a Dracula cape doing the rituals out of one of LaVey's shitty books.

This is probably why only teenagers, or only people who don't grow up (i.e people who are 30+ and are still goths) are really the majority of the populous of what makes up Satanism.

Cat
06-24-2012, 02:38 AM
This is probably why only teenagers, or only people who don't grow up (i.e people who are 30+ and are still goths) are really the majority of the populous of what makes up Satanism.

Wrong!

Many people DON'T want to grow up, just study the world! - It has NOTHING to do with what religion people follow!

Cat
06-24-2012, 04:04 AM
People should learn to take responsibility for their actions then they would grow up :-)

... it isn't boring to grow up if we keep the child inside lol ;-)

- It has very little to do with how people dress and stuff, I mean, we can meet people who always wear a suit, but act very immature, and we can also meet people who are goths, but act very mature......... again we can't generalize about anything.

Fav
06-24-2012, 06:43 AM
LaVeyan Atheist Satanism IS the only form of Satanism and most of it was tongue in cheek and for fun! None of you will ever understand the use of the subconsciousness during magic, human psychology traded for 'demonology', or the effective use of showmanship skills in the manipulation of people. If you truly want to know what Satanism is, visit www.churchofsatan.com or better yet, read The Satanic Bible.

Oh, I've read about other "Satanic" organizations, including Theistic ones, and they are all a farce.

AssetReign
06-24-2012, 07:24 AM
Allegations of organized worship of Satan can be traced to Europe during the Middle Ages. Fears of Satan worship surfaced during the fifteenth-century witchhunts, and Christian manuals were produced for depicting and combating Satanism, most notably the Malleus maleficarum (c. 1486) and Compendium maleficarum (c. 1620). Historians suggest the existence of a satanic cult in the royal court of Louis XIV that conducted “Black Masses” to mock the Catholic Mass.

In America, colonial-era New England experienced a period of witchcraft allegations and witch-hunting. Beyond the colonial witchcraft episode, satanic imagery has been perpetuated throughout American history by conservative Christian groups that believe that Satan is an active, personal presence in human affairs. Satan serves the function of explaining evil and misfortune, identifying heretical faiths, and bolstering Christian solidarity.

As Western society progressed from the reformation into the enlightenment period onwards (17th and 18th centuries), thinkers began to question the nature of evil, and Satan gradually transformed once again. Satanism came to signify a tradition which denied traditional religious paths in favor of a self-oriented path, rather than a path which favored evil.

In an older sense, Satanism also refers to unorthodox practices within Abrahamic religions deemed by an orthodoxy to be in opposition to the Abrahamic God. The earliest recorded instance of the word is in “A confutation of a booke (by Bp. Jewel) entitled An apologie of the Church of England,” by Thomas Harding (1565): ll, ii, 42 b, “Meaning the time when Luther first bringed to Germanie the poisoned cuppe of his heresies, blasphemies, and Satanismes.” As Martin Luther himself would have denied any link between his teachings and Satan, this use of the term Satanism was primarily pejorative. Many Satanists find such use of the term offensive.

Fav
06-24-2012, 08:15 AM
Boyd Rice: You're a priest in the Church Of Satan. How seriously do you take Satanic theology?

Marilyn Manson: Most of my ideals are based around things LaVey and Crowley have written, and Nietzsche also. Recently, I've been reading other ideas just to broaden my knowledge -- numerology and Hebrew Kabbalism.

I always try my hardest to bring a better understanding of Satanism to America because I have a Pop status. If I explain Satanism to people in a way they can understand, it may open up their minds to it, more than if I was brandishing a pentagram. If the concern is to educate people, sometimes you have to change the way you present things and that's what I've tried to do. A lot of times we're extremely Satanic in our nature and other times I present things in a less Satanic way. That in itself is overtly Satanic.

Satanism refers to one thing, and one thing only (at least to those who are educated), the one codified by Dr. LaVey. Even Manson agrees. There was no "organized" worship nor a codification of a Satanic church, just heretical Christians and lone wolf devil worshippers. The only thing even remotely close would be the Hellfire Clubs, but none created a religion called Satanism until Anton LaVey 1966.

You're all a bunch of retards.

AssetReign
06-24-2012, 08:28 AM
^ What point are you trying to make? If it's that you believe Manson is a Satanist, you would be incorrect. If it's that you think LaVey "invented" Satanism, you would also be incorrect.
Are you capable of having a discussion without resorting to tantrums and name calling?

Fav
06-24-2012, 10:22 AM
And you never paid for any drugs. NOT ONCE.

1984
06-24-2012, 11:59 AM
Satanism is lame - thread closed?

lol.

Also, I have read the Satanic bible from cover-to-cover. It was full of contradictions and aforementioned 'point-out-the-obvious' philosophy.

1984
06-24-2012, 12:08 PM
LaVeyan Atheist Satanism IS the only form of Satanism and most of it was tongue in cheek and for fun! None of you will ever understand the use of the subconsciousness during magic, human psychology traded for 'demonology', or the effective use of showmanship skills in the manipulation of people. If you truly want to know what Satanism is, visit www.churchofsatan.com or better yet, read The Satanic Bible.

Oh, I've read about other "Satanic" organizations, including Theistic ones, and they are all a farce.

Just on that 'none of you will understand...' thing, there are people in here who actually have degrees. In real stuff, not 'demonology' and shit so I'd show a bit more respect for the general intelligence of posters here man. Manipulation? Showmanship? It just sounds like a weak attempt at appearing sophisticated.

If you are going to represent a religion and defend it, it's probably not a good idea to fall into the stereotype that most of the posters in this thread actually dislike it for man.

filthytothecore
06-24-2012, 07:30 PM
Lavey's ideals at best are egotistical atheism, and atheism in it's self id idiotic, The beleif in nothing is just rediculous and incredibly stupid.

AssetReign
06-24-2012, 07:37 PM
^ lol You guys are fucked.

1984
06-24-2012, 10:25 PM
Lavey's ideals at best are egotistical atheism, and atheism in it's self id idiotic, The beleif in nothing is just rediculous and incredibly stupid.

You'll have to excuse me because i'm fucccckking wasted right now and I'm goign to have to interrupt you, RIGHT THER, and say atheism is actually fantastic and is a very wholesome belief in nothing. However, people are now treating atheism as if it were a religion; a example being of how other religions are commonly disrespected and belittled in comparison to an atheists own beliefs (of nothing) which they see as the superior and more intellectual as well as the huge 'congregations' that are now attracted to lecturers of Darwinism and what not.

I'm more inclined to agree with atheists, but dislike them as a group of people. Much how I agree with and live by the ethics of a Vegan diet, but see other vegans as mostly pretentious wankers. If you are an atheist, religion and the belief in God and organised religion is supposed to be completely irrelevant to.. Well, anything. Atheism isn't about turning other people to 'your side' and discourage the belief in god because as stated, that's irrelevant to an actual atheist.

1984
06-24-2012, 10:29 PM
I heard a saying once:

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers". Apples to anything that encourages sheep mentality like the various religions and contemporary atheism.

FUCK THE NIGGERS, AMIRITE?

1984
06-24-2012, 10:33 PM
I'm writing a script!

BIGGEST LOSER: AUSCHWITZ - LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED.

VOTE OR DIE.l.

Cat
06-25-2012, 03:35 AM
Real Satanists are born, not made!

Again... why not let people be people?! - I'm not a Satanist as I already said, but I don't understand all this anger inside this topic!

- Do you people also get angry at a lion?! - I'm sure you don't, I'm sure you let the lion be who he is lol ;-))))




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzlOtvDFjx0&feature=player_embedded

AssetReign
06-25-2012, 05:45 AM
"Satanists are born, not made"? If you accept that as a truism, you have to conversely apply the same principle to those who worship God, and to Pagans.
(Atheism and Satanism shouldn't be lumped into the same argument as atheists reject the belief of the existence of any deities.)

Sans Agendum
06-25-2012, 08:41 AM
That lady is fat and weird.


Lavey's ideals at best are egotistical atheism, and atheism in it's self id idiotic, The beleif in nothing is just rediculous and incredibly stupid.

"In the beginning there was nothing. And then it exploded."

AssetReign
06-25-2012, 09:00 AM
It's impossible for "nothing" to explode.

Sans Agendum
06-25-2012, 09:55 AM
Tell that to the atheists.

Whisky And Speed
06-25-2012, 10:01 AM
It's impossible for "nothing" to explode.

It wasn't a nothing,matter is everlasting.

AssetReign
06-25-2012, 10:13 AM
If there was a time nothing existed, then there would be nothing today. Nothing will always be nothing. That is an axiomatic truth.

Atom
06-25-2012, 03:50 PM
I see some of the butt-hurt is being taken out on atheists now.

AssetReign
06-25-2012, 04:02 PM
We seem to be getting sidetracked by atheism in a thread about Satanism.

Mugwump
06-28-2012, 10:54 PM
I'm actually a very spiritual person, but this thread has convinced me of one thing - Satanism just works!

I'd like to thank filthytothecore and Favenris for expanding my mind and helping me to truly understand the use of the subconsciousness during magick.

Satanism - it's only for us brainy, masters of manipulation. Human nature, science, I worship ME!

ThreeEyedGod
06-29-2012, 07:50 AM
Satanism is a hoot

1984
06-29-2012, 11:43 AM
We seem to be getting sidetracked by atheism in a thread about Satanism.

Satanism = glorified atheism.

AssetReign
06-29-2012, 03:36 PM
Satanism = glorified atheism.

In what way? Atheism denies the existence of a deity. Satanism is acknowledging the existence of deities. You can't have Satan without God.

filthytothecore
06-29-2012, 10:50 PM
Actually it is basically Atheism they deny Satan being real and they themselves being the only god, It's quite ok for some, But for common people they need sometihng more to think is lkooking out for them, To each their own I suppose.

ThreeEyedGod
06-29-2012, 11:25 PM
In what way? Atheism denies the existence of a deity. Satanism is acknowledging the existence of deities. You can't have Satan without God.

Would you be willing to admit that most self-declared 'satanists' chose to brand themselves as such simply for the sake of 'sticking it' to society? They obviously understand it will bring them scorn and 'ignorance' from the mainstream: this is how they thrive and they hunger for that stigmatic gaze as it is one of the only things that reassures them as an actual 'threat' which they have set as a goal.

Satanism reached it's prime in the 90's with the so-called ' Satanic Panic'; afterwards it fizzled to a joke. I don't even think holy rollers concerm themselves with the whole thing: a satanist tragedy.

Satanists: glorified mallcore gawth kids.


If there was a time nothing existed, then there would be nothing today. Nothing will always be nothing. That is an axiomatic truth.

Come on dude, this is really ignorant: in your eagerness to stick it to believers, you ignore fundamental, dogmatic truth. Why do you think Genesis is cited as the story of CREATION! Out of the void of existence, a reality is CREATED by a God.

AssetReign
06-30-2012, 08:16 AM
You are coming at this topic from your faith in the existence of a god. Again, atheism and satanism aren't the same. In order to acknowledge the existence of Satan a satanist must first acknowledge the existence of God. Just for the record, I am neither a satanist nor an atheist.

Terrapin
06-30-2012, 12:35 PM
LaVeyan Satanists don't recognize Satan as a deity. They recognize Satan as a term substituted for natural human tendencies or "sins." The label is there merely to convey an opposing view to the established Christian faith. The fact that it is so specific in this manner, and that they really are mostly doing it for attention while throwing magik into the mix, makes it pretty laughable in my eyes. It's atheism with a twist that it really doesn't need.

AssetReign
06-30-2012, 01:29 PM
I should have removed LaVey's interpretation from the equation when discussing satanism and instead referred to the revering of Satan the fallen angel as "devil worship."

Atom
07-01-2012, 06:26 AM
Last time I checked satanism isn't based off of scientific facts or the belief in things that have actual evidence of existing. But really, what I want to ask is if you fine people would stop comparing atheism to satanism. They're not the same or even similar. Especially when you consider the fact that satanism is a religion (albeit a small one) and a belief system.

sayyosin
07-01-2012, 06:40 AM
I read the Satanic bible once. Now I'm a master of manipulation and you're all my pawns.

I transcend religion, hombre. A "post-dogma" showman who knows the secret Satanic knowledge of being a huge dick. I don't believe in that Jesus crap; he was a puss 'n' sandals. I'm a professional demon with boots that will crush your faith in everything but my own amazing organized religion. Being a selfish, self-centered cunt has never been so easy!

HAIL SATAN! Fuck the weak! I am the strong! CHRISTIANS TO THE LIONS! LOOK AT ME, I'M EDGY!!!

AssetReign
07-01-2012, 08:36 AM
^At first glance I read that as "you're all my prawns..."

Sans Agendum
07-01-2012, 04:02 PM
Fact: assetreign is making MUCH BETTER contributions to this thread than the people he was complaining about a page ago.

filthytothecore
07-01-2012, 07:55 PM
Most So called Satanists just use the title as shock value so they can sell a book or ideal, Such charaltans are they that sell something on fear and image, and not the Actual Worship of Satan Himself. If you call yourself a Satanist most people beleive you physically worship Satan, Either as Lucifer or The Enemy of The monotheistic god. As far as so called monotheists judgeing us, I can pull out a whole tab from your book of lies, Whichever you prefer.

Sans Agendum
07-02-2012, 10:09 AM
Only neophytes think Satanism has nothing to do with Satan. Step one is getting people to stop acknowledging God. The further on you go, if you are keeping in touch with the actual Church of Satan, and they DO in fact end up holding masses in homage to Lucifer and taking part in black magic and demonology. It's the same with how in Scientology you don't start off being told about Xenu and space aliens. That comes later after you've been thoroughly brainwashed. Ex-Church attendees will attest to this just as Ex-Scientologists have attested to the alien stories.

Golden Eel
07-02-2012, 12:01 PM
nvm

Cringeon
07-03-2012, 02:45 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/Tony23588/Impaled%20Northern%20Moonforest/summoningtheunholyfrozenwinterdemon.gif

Sans Agendum
07-03-2012, 02:52 PM
That's my favorite song by Immortal.

filthytothecore
07-03-2012, 11:32 PM
How would you know what Stanism is like unless, You've tryed to join before and failed, rhp is not the answer for everyone, Some of us wish to actually distinguish ourselfve's within life. The rhp preaches weakness and complacentcy, No path for a sane human being.

Atom
07-04-2012, 07:13 AM
How would you know what Stanism is like unless, You've tryed to join before and failed,

Uh, by reading the fucking book and doing a little bit of research. How would you know setting your face on fire would hurt unless you've tried it before?

AssetReign
07-04-2012, 07:34 AM
How would you know what Stanism is like unless, You've tryed to join before and failed, rhp is not the answer for everyone, Some of us wish to actually distinguish ourselfve's within life. The rhp preaches weakness and complacentcy, No path for a sane human being.


It's early here and I'm on my first cup of coffee so forgive me if the answer to my question is obvious but - "rhp"?

Sans Agendum
07-04-2012, 11:44 AM
Yeah what the hell is an 'rhp'?

Atom
07-05-2012, 06:13 AM
Right Hand Path

AssetReign
07-05-2012, 07:20 AM
Right Hand Path

<thwapping my forehead> I knew it was going to be obvious as soon as it was made obvious. Thanx.

Sans Agendum
07-05-2012, 07:02 PM
What is a 'right hand path'?

Terrapin
07-05-2012, 07:09 PM
What is a 'right hand path'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path

The Right-Hand Path is commonly thought to refer to magical or religious groups which adhere to a certain set of characteristics:

They adhere to social conventions and avoid taboos.
They divide the concepts of mind, body and spirit into three separate, albeit interrelated entities.
They adhere to a specific moral code and a belief in some form of judgement, such as karma or the Threefold Law.

Fav
07-08-2012, 09:41 PM
The problem with the discussion at hand and this entire thread is that in order to make an argument against Satanism you first need to define it. Like feminism or libertarianism, these concepts are thrown around so often and vaguely that sometimes the arguments don't center around concrete ideas at all, so many fools like some of the ones in here end up arguing about abstract concepts that don't even make any sense.

So far only Terrapin has accurately described what Marilyn Manson defines as the true form of Satanism, that being LaVey's organization, and Terrapin even disagreed with it. The rest of you are arguing about what you think Satanism is rather than an attempt to conceptualize it. Before 1966, there was never an organization called the Church of Satan nor a religion named Satanism.

If you would like to present a rebuttal or disagreement about LaVey conceptualizing Satanism and believe that there is a different form which is the real one, then post about it and describe it.

Fav
07-08-2012, 10:11 PM
I'll explain why I call myself a Satanist and support Peter H. Gilmore and the Church of Satan.

Growing up, I was never drawn to anything remotely "demonic" or "evil", but rather held certain Nietzschean ideas that emphasized looking at herd conformity as a vice, and the continuous need to better yourself in the naturally stratified society which operates based on Social Darwinism.

Anything close to "magick" or "spirituality" was given my scorn, and I always disliked the main philosophy behind Christianity, but noticed that the anti-life and anti-human components of Christianity were not limited to that religion alone. It was found in new liberal movements or hippie culture, in where dependence on leaders to show you the way was seen as a good thing, and turning the other cheek and leeching via Nietzche's slave morality idea was rampant.

I quickly learned that the perversion of spiritual religions such as Christianity or Buddhism or Islam were merely tools by the elite to control mass numbers of people, and even if those religions were eliminated, a new structure would replace them, whether it be political or a social trend. Humans are a herd animal, there is no doubt about that, and most religious structures seek to oppress man's true nature.

Why should I feel ashamed of who I want to fuck, or if somebody does something wrong to me, why should I not provide the means to defend myself? Why should I follow what everybody else does, especially when it is wrong? If I like dressing in black and listening to Marilyn Manson, why should I be ashamed of my individual preferences in life, even if it goes against what the mass majority around me at the time found aesthetically preferable?

From there Ayn Rand's 1964 The Virtue of Selfishness: A New Concept of Egoism as well as Objectivism became central parts of my life in the sense that I was excited and glad that other people felt the same way I did. However, I did not like that she dismissed all religious activity as useless. There is a psychological element to ritual, prayer, deities, Gods, and other spiritual things that obviously serve a mental need within the human animal to be happy, otherwise people wouldn't be so fanatic about rockstars, politicians, celebrities, or doing ritualistic things like getting married, celebrating birthdays, performing funerals, etc.

Then I read Marilyn Manson's autobiography and upon his positive nod to Anton LaVey and real Satanism, I decided to give the religion a chance and read The Satanic Bible. Within it, I didn't find anything stupid having to do with animal sacrifices or magick mumbo wizard jumbo, but rather the gray line between psychology and religion. I found that everybody practices Satanic Rituals in their own sort of way when they are doing something for catharsis, or working towards a particular goal, but their energy and intent isn't always a 100% focused on a particular outcome.

The symbology within Satanism, including the infamous Sigil of Baphomet, did not seem anything different than Marilyn Manson utilizing the Cross of Lorraine, the stars and stripes on an American flag, or a sports mascot. Symbols, flags, slogans, have always been used by the human animal to represent a concept, whether it be in a corporation, war, sports team, etc.

From there on I found that a more accurate and specific label for myself is Satanist, because upholding the Milton or Ancient Hebrew definition of Satan encompassed a lot of ideas that represented things I already felt were right. Perhaps the symbol of Satan is no longer as relevant to society for a new Übermenschen creed as it was in 1966, but the philosophy and ideas inside The Satanic Bible have always been utilized by people who have brought society to a more Renaissance-like and secular level, and within the elite levels of the Church of Satan are not kooks or losers, but people who have mastered life in all of its different levels: interpersonally, financially, health-based, and pretty much whatever you can think of.

Peter H. Gilmore has done an excellent job of continuing the aesthetic terrorism of Satanism, and the people who are among the religion are those who are not stupid, but rather embrace the philosophical aspects of the religion, whatever it be called.


Believe it or not, the human animal thrives on fantasy, symbols, and exploration of the unknown, and Satanism ultimately fills the gray line between psychology and religion.

filthytothecore
07-08-2012, 11:32 PM
There have been plenty of Satanic ideals and cults throughout the ages.

Fav
07-08-2012, 11:55 PM
There have been plenty of Satanic ideals and cults throughout the ages.
Hey, thanks a lot for the informative response! You have really contributed something to the thread, and make a good rebuttal supporting your argument! I hope you go to sleep tonight in a bed made of fine french linens!

Atom
07-09-2012, 06:48 PM
Hey guys, in case you were wondering this guy's being sarcastic.^

Sans Agendum
07-09-2012, 07:15 PM
I like when he talked about being a Satanist means being unashamed of your inner feelings. As if no other theology endorses personal freedom. Like the forgiveness of Jesus, how we're all forgiven and free from condemnation and sin. So he loves Satanism for the same reason most Christians enjoy their faith. Oh irony.

Atom
07-09-2012, 07:59 PM
I like how both beliefs are ridiculous.

Mugwump
07-09-2012, 09:54 PM
I now know more about Favenris than I care to know.

God dammit. :(

21Faces
07-10-2012, 01:17 AM
I'll explain why I call myself a Satanist and support Peter H. Gilmore and the Church of Satan.

Growing up, I was never drawn to anything remotely "demonic" or "evil", but rather held certain Nietzschean ideas that emphasized looking at herd conformity as a vice, and the continuous need to better yourself in the naturally stratified society which operates based on Social Darwinism.

Anything close to "magick" or "spirituality" was given my scorn, and I always disliked the main philosophy behind Christianity, but noticed that the anti-life and anti-human components of Christianity were not limited to that religion alone. It was found in new liberal movements or hippie culture, in where dependence on leaders to show you the way was seen as a good thing, and turning the other cheek and leeching via Nietzche's slave morality idea was rampant.

I quickly learned that the perversion of spiritual religions such as Christianity or Buddhism or Islam were merely tools by the elite to control mass numbers of people, and even if those religions were eliminated, a new structure would replace them, whether it be political or a social trend. Humans are a herd animal, there is no doubt about that, and most religious structures seek to oppress man's true nature.

Why should I feel ashamed of who I want to fuck, or if somebody does something wrong to me, why should I not provide the means to defend myself? Why should I follow what everybody else does, especially when it is wrong? If I like dressing in black and listening to Marilyn Manson, why should I be ashamed of my individual preferences in life, even if it goes against what the mass majority around me at the time found aesthetically preferable?

From there Ayn Rand's 1964 The Virtue of Selfishness: A New Concept of Egoism as well as Objectivism became central parts of my life in the sense that I was excited and glad that other people felt the same way I did. However, I did not like that she dismissed all religious activity as useless. There is a psychological element to ritual, prayer, deities, Gods, and other spiritual things that obviously serve a mental need within the human animal to be happy, otherwise people wouldn't be so fanatic about rockstars, politicians, celebrities, or doing ritualistic things like getting married, celebrating birthdays, performing funerals, etc.

Then I read Marilyn Manson's autobiography and upon his positive nod to Anton LaVey and real Satanism, I decided to give the religion a chance and read The Satanic Bible. Within it, I didn't find anything stupid having to do with animal sacrifices or magick mumbo wizard jumbo, but rather the gray line between psychology and religion. I found that everybody practices Satanic Rituals in their own sort of way when they are doing something for catharsis, or working towards a particular goal, but their energy and intent isn't always a 100% focused on a particular outcome.

The symbology within Satanism, including the infamous Sigil of Baphomet, did not seem anything different than Marilyn Manson utilizing the Cross of Lorraine, the stars and stripes on an American flag, or a sports mascot. Symbols, flags, slogans, have always been used by the human animal to represent a concept, whether it be in a corporation, war, sports team, etc.

From there on I found that a more accurate and specific label for myself is Satanist, because upholding the Milton or Ancient Hebrew definition of Satan encompassed a lot of ideas that represented things I already felt were right. Perhaps the symbol of Satan is no longer as relevant to society for a new Übermenschen creed as it was in 1966, but the philosophy and ideas inside The Satanic Bible have always been utilized by people who have brought society to a more Renaissance-like and secular level, and within the elite levels of the Church of Satan are not kooks or losers, but people who have mastered life in all of its different levels: interpersonally, financially, health-based, and pretty much whatever you can think of.

Peter H. Gilmore has done an excellent job of continuing the aesthetic terrorism of Satanism, and the people who are among the religion are those who are not stupid, but rather embrace the philosophical aspects of the religion, whatever it be called.


Believe it or not, the human animal thrives on fantasy, symbols, and exploration of the unknown, and Satanism ultimately fills the gray line between psychology and religion.
Yes, Fav. Religions are tools, and one function they serve is social control. This is an important function. Before the time when secular laws were enforced with relative universality (at least in principle) the idea of an absolute sprititually-endowed authority (God) was essential. Because people are animals, as you observe- and the aim of religion is to reject and suppress people's nature. This is not a bad thing. This is a good thing. I don't want to live in a society where people behave like animals. Fuck that noise. That's not civilization, it's anarchy. Human civilization did not attain indoor plumbing, cars, the Internet, modern medicine, space travel, and Nintendo by every asshole being in it for himself. No. Those achievements required cooperation, sacrifice, self-denial.

Satanism is silly if you think the point is that you are philosophically "free" to do whatever you want- as opposed to more conventional folks who do what they think is right or what they "should" do- whether that sense is grounded in an organized religion or just a general feeling of obligation to "be a good person." The simple fact is that you play by the exact same rules that everyone else plays by. The fact that you have the time to share your philosophy on an Internet message board: the fact that you have a have a job, can buy things, a computer, access to the Internet, can read and write- the fact that you even HAVE a philosophy to talk about indicates that you are operating WELL within society's established perimeters of control.

You're a model citizen- no rebel at all. You think you are making completely objective choices in a vacuum? You're not. Society incentivizes you to take specific actions over others: it's easier to make money than to steal it, easier to recognize the authority of the police than to ignore it, easier to be agreeable and cooperative than aggressive and confrontational. In short: it's easier to submit. And you do. You submit to the interest of the herd every bit as much as everyone else does every day. You may tell yourself you only do these things because they're in YOUR best interest, but isn't it funny how that so often aligns with what's best for everyone else around you? That's why society works.

So then what is the significance of the "Satanic" imagery? It becomes meaningless. There is nothing for you to rebel against. Yes, you're free to conduct yourself like a selfish prick in your personal dealings with anyone who will tolerate you. For the reasons mentioned above I would still call you a sort of philosophical freeloader (benefitting from society's principles of self denial in the interest of the group) while professing to be against that, all while cow-towing to the same principles in every meaningful way when it comes to your personal space in society.

There is really nothing left to what you talk about than Nietzsche, the patron saint of angry young men. I mean, seriously, how passé. Take a philosophy course, man. It gets... way better than Nietzsche. Philosophy develops beyond nihilism. History kept moving forward. You also mention Ayn Rand. Rand is trash. Seriously. Nobody takes her seriously. Now, you can write that off as academic elitism or an intellectual conspiracy trying to "keep out the scary ideas!" But in all frankness, you wouldn't really know what you're talking about unless you actually read the other guys, right? And Nietzsche is hugely important, hugely significant- but you can't STOP at Nietzsche. Rand is a dead end. Total garbage.

But prove me wrong. Show me how avowed Satanists (these "elite" members of your church) acting under Satanic principles accomplished anything on the level of the Civil Rights movements of the 1960s, the liberation of India under the British Empire. Or even just made some significant contributions to the humanities? Great thinkers on the level of Derrida or Baudrillard or Žižek? Give me something. Anything. If the best you can do is "fuck who you want guilt free, indulge in psycho-symbolic ritual to get what I want, read Nietzsche and Ryand" then I'm sorry there isn't much to this. It's very likely Satanism will die as a cultural anomaly of the early 21st century. How could anything so shallow possibly endure in any organized form? I'd put my money on Scientology, between the two. They've got a better marketing department, at least.

Sans Agendum
07-10-2012, 09:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5YWTFW5WMw

brian219
07-13-2012, 09:45 AM
I agree with Sans' statement that LaVey's ideologies were just theistic Satanism masquerading as "atheistic" Satanism.

I also think that David Bowie, as the physical incarnation of Satan, would seem to represent the Church of Satan's ideals remarkably well. This leads me to believe that LaVey knew exactly what he was talking about. He wasn't as powerful or as important as he longed to be but he certainly knew the devil. Satanism is Satanism.

sayyosin
07-13-2012, 10:08 AM
Welcome back brian.

brian219
07-16-2012, 07:52 AM
Welcome back brian.

Thanks, say!

Crap. Now I have to think of something to say about the Devil.

Erm...worshipping him is bad?

filthytothecore
07-19-2012, 05:27 PM
^How is worshipping the nature of mankind evil?
Besides that it is said in the bible that The Devil can appear as Male or Female, I'll leave that up to the imagination.

Ulysses Black
07-20-2012, 04:58 AM
To stray away from "LaVeyan Atheist Satanism," and maybe make this thread a little more interesting, what do you guys think of this kind of stuff (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Name_of_Satan.html)? It's more from the Theist Satanist perspective, which counters with pagan beliefs before the start of Christitanity. The link has to do with the origins of the name of Satan and more on why they worship that deity.

You should give Demonolatry a look.

Sans Agendum
07-20-2012, 02:57 PM
^How is worshipping the nature of mankind evil?
Besides that it is said in the bible that The Devil can appear as Male or Female, I'll leave that up to the imagination.

Would you mind siting which scripture states this?

Golden Eel
07-20-2012, 04:35 PM
^How is worshipping the nature of mankind evil?

Because the 'nature of mankind' is really fucked up. You should be focused on evolving and moving past your naive animal urges, not reveling in them.

Sans Agendum
07-20-2012, 09:51 PM
Because the 'nature of mankind' is really fucked up. You should be focused on evolving and moving past your naive animal urges, not reveling in them.

That was really well put. Couldn't have said it better myself and neither could anyone else for that matter.

Fav
07-23-2012, 04:58 PM
I am not trying to "convert" people to Satanism, but rather trying to defend Dr. LaVey's work and at least bring some sort of organization to the myth of what "Satanism" is. So far nobody has presented an alternative and proper organization, that carries the title. Anybody can start a "Satanic" religion, just as I'm sure you can find some obscure Christian cult that rejects the 10 commandments or something foundational and necessary for the religion of Christianity yet carries its name.

In fact, you can start any religion with any name and have full acceptance on some internet forum over its authentic nature, but it is only in the real world in where something can stand on its own two feet, and so far, only the current Church of Satan has been marked as an official religion by the United States Government since 1978. For more information, look into Religious Requirements and Practices: A Handbook for Chaplains by the U.S. Department of the Army.

Resorting to calling Nietzche, one of the most important and most renown minds in Philosophy, as "the patron saint of angry young men", is something I would have never expected to read within a Marilyn Manson message forum as his influence on his entire body of art is present, but I guess it is as fickle and immature as labeling Ayn Rand as pure trash.

Satanism is not "free to do as you want", but people interpret this as people bound to certain rules, whereas Satanism uses the phrase "Satanists are born, not made" in that if the philosophy behind the religion floats your boat, feel free the wear the name, if not, then it's not for you. For a Catholic such as yourself, 21Faces, I'm not surprised that secular concepts such as man being allowed to express his true nature would float your boat. Yes, that includes accepting the "dark" side of the human condition as normal, and focusing on supporting a law abiding society to fulfill a social contract known as government.

I would continue in this thread if there were more intelligent people, but the majority of you are complete idiots.

21Faces and Terrain have been the only coherent ones through this entire conversation, and they both disagree with the religion. Feel free to ask them for further questions, or even better - read The Satanic Bible or Long Hard Road out of Hell chapter with Anton LaVey yourself, or visit the official website at www.churchofsatan.com (http://www.churchofsatan.com)

Atom
07-23-2012, 05:55 PM
I love when people throw "Dr." in front of someone's name as if that makes them more distinguished and less full of shit. Kind of like "Dr." Falwell.

1984
07-23-2012, 10:35 PM
"Dr. Who".

MaryYana
07-24-2012, 06:33 AM
This is probably why only teenagers, or only people who don't grow up (i.e people who are 30+ and are still goths) are really the majority of the populous of what makes up Satanism.

Wait, wait wait wait. Wait wait wait.
Wait wait wait.
Super-wait.
....
Are you saying that the clothes someone wears on the outside has that much to do with their mental maturity? :|
Sorry, a bit off the topic, but I don't see the relevance. Sure, people do express their inside through the clothes they wear, but goth, punk and other alternative styles do not neccessarily express "hello I like to watch my little pony and disobey my parents".
Because if growing up means I have to stop expressing myself and stop wearing what I like to wear... then I don't think I ever want to grow up. If that is what growing up is about, then growing up seems kinda silly :D

filthytothecore
07-24-2012, 03:37 PM
Humanity is failable, The only thing we can rely on is ourselves.

AssetReign
07-24-2012, 04:13 PM
Humanity is failable, The only thing we can rely on is ourselves.

That's contradictory. If something is fallible, by definition you cannot rely on it.

21Faces
07-27-2012, 03:39 AM
Wait, wait wait wait. Wait wait wait.
Wait wait wait.
Super-wait.
....
Are you saying that the clothes someone wears on the outside has that much to do with their mental maturity? :|
Sorry, a bit off the topic, but I don't see the relevance. Sure, people do express their inside through the clothes they wear, but goth, punk and other alternative styles do not neccessarily express "hello I like to watch my little pony and disobey my parents".
Because if growing up means I have to stop expressing myself and stop wearing what I like to wear... then I don't think I ever want to grow up. If that is what growing up is about, then growing up seems kinda silly :D

As you grow up you'll find your wardrobe evolving, because you will want people your own age to take you seriously. Unless you find yourself working in a fairly narrow range of professions (tattoo artists, rock stars, etc.) this will mean ditching overtly "alternative" subculture fashions for more understanded expressions of style. Even people I know who work in the arts (people who might have identified as "goth" in high school) don't dress like teenagers anymore. Even if they still favor dark palettes informed by goth sensibilities (as I do, personally) they now purchase items from mainstream brands and retailers.

You may find this silly, but that's just the way it is. Look at pictures of your parents when they were young. Do they dress the same way they do now? Neither will you. Everyone thinks they're the exception, but they never are...

Golden Eel
07-27-2012, 04:13 AM
As you grow up you'll find your wardrobe evolving, because you will want people your own age to take you seriously. Unless you find yourself working in a fairly narrow range of professions (tattoo artists, rock stars, etc.) this will mean ditching overtly "alternative" subculture fashions for more understanded expressions of style. Even people I know who work in the arts (people who might have identified as "goth" in high school) don't dress like teenagers anymore. Even if they still favor dark palettes informed by goth sensibilities (as I do, personally) they now purchase items from mainstream brands and retailers.

You may find this silly, but that's just the way it is. Look at pictures of your parents when they were young. Do they dress the same way they do now? Neither will you. Everyone thinks they're the exception, but they never are...

Ugh, you're just trying to fit me into your mold. I'm not about to bow down to The Man. I'm an individual and I'm going to dress like one, I don't care what anyone says. This isn't a phase, this is my life!

MaryYana
07-27-2012, 04:34 AM
^There are exceptions out there and I praise their braveness. And yes, I do find it very silly and I hope it never happens to me, unless I actually grow tired of the style.

If I end up adapting, you two are very welcome to tell me "I told you so". Until then you have no proof for the things you say when it comes to me, or any other alternative for that matter. "Most" is not the same as "all". Therefor, you cannot say "you will do this" without being more of a liar. You can, though, say that "many do this and therefor chances are this happens to you too".

Edit: I am also not saying that I will be that one exception, because that would be a dumb assumption. I'm saying that I might.

AssetReign
07-27-2012, 08:30 AM
^ Even the Jurassic Goth, Alice Cooper, (who predates the word, "goth," yet defines it) understands survival means you have to adapt to your surroundings. From Goth to Golf, and back again.

http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/alicegolf.jpg

http://www.trbimg.com/img-500eb6a0/turbine/os-halloween-horror-nights-alice-cooper-haunted-house-20120724/400/16x9

MaryYana
07-27-2012, 09:03 AM
^ Even the Jurassic Goth, Alice Cooper, (who predates the word, "goth," yet defines it) understands survival means you have to adapt to your surroundings. From Goth to Golf, and back again.

http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/alicegolf.jpg

http://www.trbimg.com/img-500eb6a0/turbine/os-halloween-horror-nights-alice-cooper-haunted-house-20120724/400/16x9

Or maybe he's just relaxing? :| Right now I have no makeup. Reason: It's fucking hot outside. I sweat it off and then I go eat watermelon. Which... is not the best thing to eat when you have black lipstick. Last winter I stopped wearing makeup for a week or two, if not more, because it was so fucking cold outside that I lost motivation to do anything. So yeah I hope life never makes me feel so bad that I stop being creative with my looks for all time. If I stop because I don't feel like it anymore, and only that, then nothing important was lost.

I didn't say being a grown up goth was easy either. If being a young goth gives you lemons every now and then, then so does being a grown up goth. Who cares? That was not the subject. We talked about people who adapted full-time. People who completely stopped. Goths that simply switch as they go from job to everyday are what I would consider somewhere in between. It's all about how willing you are to stay attached to your favourite style.

Golden Eel
07-27-2012, 09:12 AM
The way a person looks isn't a sure way to judge their character, but 95% of the time it gives you a pretty damn good idea of what they're about.

MaryYana
07-27-2012, 09:20 AM
The way a person looks isn't a sure way to judge their character, but 95% of the time it gives you a pretty damn good idea of what they're about.

I am currently wearing hello kitty panties. Am I part of the 5% now?

AssetReign
07-27-2012, 09:29 AM
^ Wut?
http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd448/othertimesto/The%20exorcist%20gif/theexorciststairscene.gif

I'd forgotten what it's like to converse with a young teenager.

MaryYana
07-27-2012, 09:32 AM
^ Wut?
http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd448/othertimesto/The%20exorcist%20gif/theexorciststairscene.gif

I'd forgotten what it's like to converse with a young teenager.

Aaaaaand conclusion of this entire conversation:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=nQB4nAjZIdE&NR=1

We cannot tell the future, sometimes you have to adapt even though this is boring, this whole "lol u no grown up if u stay goth" thing is pretty silly coming from a manson fanbase and I'm just a silly teen so I have no say in anything whatsoever. Hello Kitty.

Edit: Also, if you didn't get it, the hello kitty part was mainly to enlighten the conversation with a little joke. I don't seriously think that my underwear makes me any different.

Cat
07-28-2012, 12:52 AM
Your age has nothing to do with anything, but some people will use your age against you when they run out of arguments!

The same thing happen to me when I was a teen.

I have always been a very responsible person, no matter what age.

We have the personality we have, and yes we will change with time, but our core is always the same!

filthytothecore
07-29-2012, 07:49 PM
Most humans are shit I don't beleive we are all equal so, I'll throw that out, What is the cause of the the infection but monotheism a religion built on intolerance of others itself, Why should anyone care what they thinks as long as it brings them down, They have made this generation one of thee most ignorant becuase of their everyone is equal hippie bullshit.

21Faces
07-29-2012, 09:39 PM
You're right. Not everyone is equal. Your treatment of the English language makes this painfully obvious to everyone.

filthytothecore
07-29-2012, 09:41 PM
Stop saying BS and start getting on topic otherwise leave.

johncraze
08-02-2012, 09:15 AM
Well, I've always seen satanism like a sort of ideology you just get over with. It understands you when you're filled with angst, frustration, n' can see no other way out, so many get their first step towards individuality through it... just to get lost once again in the "I must bitch,and keep bitchin'."

I digged satanism back when I was a teenager, specifically La Veyan satanism; probably like some around here, I discovered it through MM.

I don't hate Satanism in itself, I just think I see it for what it is. A phase in intellectual development, that in my opinion, if you get stuck in, you become as trapped as in christianism, judaism, islam, etc.

Besides, there are much better and mature forms of individualism out there, like by reading Ayn Rand, Kierkegaard, Oscar Wilde, etc.

crowded_morgue
08-05-2012, 07:57 PM
Satanism. The Satanic Bible by LeVay was the first book I read for pleasure. Lol, I was fucking illiterate by the standards of the education system due to my disinterest in everything that was asked of me. So, when I read The Satanic Bible, I suppose I had my first intellectual experience. My interest in the bizarre, weird, and dark lead me to wanting to borrow the book from an obsessively Satanic friend who became my best (schizophrenic) friend after I read it. The book captivated my imagination. Suddenly, all of the obsessive, dark fantasy of my imagination could be something of my 'belief,' rather than just something of my private life.
I indulged in Satanism like a 'religion' for about a year. Me and my Satanic pal were against the world, if not, then the town we lived in. We hated Christians and he wanted the demons to do something about them. I wanted to burn down their churches and such, but he felt that simple curses would do the trick, and my ideas, of which I thought he should assist me with, to make it more exciting, were irrational, which is funny because he's delusional and is a diagnosed schizophrenic. I eventually became bored with it, and I guess I was too much of a sissy to burn down churches and shit. So, I guess I furthered my Satanic education by being more passionate as a creative individual, if not an idiot with shitty ideas, and happy with that, because mindlessly being me, without care, is fun.
Still a Satanist at heart, though.

rusty shackleford
08-07-2012, 12:27 AM
As far as this thread goes I have not read it I'll admit. I've had to work all day and now I'm relaxing with some adult beverages, sorry, I don't want to read 20 pages of shit. As far as this topic goes I have read the Satanic Bible by Anton Lavey and agree with parts of and I disagree with other parts of it. As I think it should be when you read someone else's view on how to live your life.
I find that doing what YOU want to do is sometimes the only key to happiness. For instance quitting my job randomly because I was just fucking fed up with the bullshit turned out to be positive. Even thought temporarily I was broke as fuck and owed money to bills I had to let become late and just ignore. And now I'm making double the amount of money I used to.
Well, there are my two cents for what they're worth, probably less than two cents....

filthytothecore
08-17-2012, 09:16 PM
I've realised the delusion of monotheism it is somewhat contagious to people. When they know the whole trusth they see the lie for what it is. It in it's interiety is absolute lesser than shit. Individualism and caring about the self is stronger than careing about a liar, a thief, and most of all a deciver.

filthytothecore
08-28-2012, 09:50 PM
I feel like Satanism as a whole is evolving ot something "More" to put it simply. It is starting to evolve as something stronger, a more fearsome beast, raised by Hell.

brian219
08-28-2012, 10:16 PM
I think that most people that appear to "outgrow" Satanism have actually just hidden the fact that they've successfully made contact with their new master to avoid stigmas. I'm pretty sure that most of these boards' bona fide devil worshipers are the ones you'd least suspect.

Whisky And Speed
08-28-2012, 10:30 PM
@ Brian, can anyone make contact with an imaginative entity like the devil?. despite the fact that I don't believe in superstition , but I find the idea of making contact with Satan a pretty cool idea, at least he's less boring than the kind, righteous gods and saints.

brian219
08-28-2012, 10:38 PM
@ Brian, can anyone make contact with an imaginative entity like the devil?. despite the fact that I don't believe in superstition , but I find the idea of making contact with Satan a pretty cool idea, at least he's less boring than the kind, righteous gods and saints.

I'm not sure how imaginative he his. I'd have to at least see a few sketches or short stories to judge for myself.

AssetReign
08-28-2012, 11:07 PM
^ God's "name" is "YAHWEH."
Jesus's name was "Yeshua."

Sorry, Brian, I was referring to your signature because it's been slightly bugging me. ;)

Allycat
08-29-2012, 03:02 AM
But for those who come into Satanism who've never really experienced any severe lack of material goods or resources in their lives or never had to work to the bone to put money into all their Marilyn Manson memorabilia, PS3, IPhone, and their weekly trips to the mall to afford all the $30+ band tees and $100+ jeans they own, they tend to exhibit the characteristics that Sans described. When you have everything, it's difficult for you to crave or give compassion to those who lack. To those who are in a rougher situation than you'll ever be. It's easy to laugh at the homeless Vietnam veteran who's covered in urine and a rash than to give them a few dollars, a cigarette or a meal. It's easy to believe you're Mr. Intellectual Who Don't Need No Stupid Jesus because, hey, you don't. It's easy as shit to complain about religion lacking logic, because where the hell is the logic in trying to find God when you don't need God. Disregarding other people, being self-centered and cocky is easier than getting acquainted with that uncomfortable feeling your gut called compassion. Because Compassion is overrated, only for bleeding heart Christians and liberals who fall for sob stories.


Indeed. Well said.

filthytothecore
10-15-2012, 10:01 PM
I felt the need to ask why are religions even needed in the modern age when man has science, philosophy and, can think with more rational thought than times past.

Mankind shouldn't enter another dark age because of the complaints of archaic ideals that no longer hold value to the current world, No we must go forward even more, and not backwards this time, Will we given the current circumstances of current civilisation go backwards? Maybe and maybe not.

It depends on the current generation of the world to rise above the past and scrap the good ideals for further use, and to throw away the old ones that no longer help mankind as a whole to further itself.

Satan
11-22-2012, 08:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHe15w8-Oeo&feature=share&list=PLD22B4DA1E44630AD

crazybitch
11-22-2012, 09:08 PM
I Honor the Goddess. The stars and galaxies are my family. God tells you to fear Satan. The Goddess says Make Love.

http://i49.tinypic.com/11syuwz.jpg

brian219
11-24-2012, 12:18 AM
I Honor the Goddess. The stars and galaxies are my family. God tells you to fear Satan. The Goddess says Make Love.

http://i49.tinypic.com/11syuwz.jpg

The Goddess? Meh. She's no goddess, just some dumb earth spirit with an ego.

brian219
11-24-2012, 01:15 AM
^ God's "name" is "YAHWEH."
Jesus's name was "Yeshua."

Sorry, Brian, I was referring to your signature because it's been slightly bugging me. ;)

Yahweh, or Jehovah or whatever, was always a common noun that simply means "lord," just like "Ba'al" does. It's often translated as "God" in the Old Testament but even that is still just a common noun. All of that silly Tetragrammaton nonsense is over nothing really. The fact is that the Old Testament makes it clear that folks had no idea what his name was:


Judges 13:17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour? 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

At this point some will say "but waitaminute! That wasn't God. It was just an angel." Well, it actually goes on to explain what that Manoah guy made of the situation:


Judges 13:20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground. 13:21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD. 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

Perhaps Manoah was mistaken. Perhaps the Angel of the Lord who claimed his name was secret wasn't God at all. But there's also this:


Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

But of course Moses, author of the Torah and one of the most cited prophets in Judeo-Christianty knew God's name. Right?


Ex 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Nope. And he wasn't given one when he asked either.

So when the hell was his name revealed?


John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Say what now? Jesus revealed God's name?


John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Yep.

As for that whole Yeshua/Joshua business. Nonsense. Yeshua is a Hebrew name. The problem with that is that the New Testament was primarily written in Greek. Therefore there's no reason to give any less weight to the Iesous as it's rendered in the Greek text.

Anyway...God's name is Jesus. And Marilyn "I whited out my name" Manson is the Antichrist.

As far as SATANISM goes, I think it's clear from those close to Levay that he believed in Satan as an actual entity and that his brand of Satanism wasn't any different than the common conception of Satanism. He was quite clever in making it very easy to demonstrate that there was no actual "devil worship" involved in his books and by that same token making that message all the more accessible for those that might not otherwise wanna "worship the devil."

Doom Juan
11-24-2012, 09:57 AM
brian219: Anton Lavey was a charlatan and third-rate intellectual, a pygmy of thought if you will, who no one took seriously. His followers were mostly nerds and social drop outs, the kind who would readily take up a Scientology personality test if they thought it would give them a sense of belonging.

Many of his followers are now just obese egocentrics, their pitiful 'rituals' now resembling more a LARP event than anything to be taken seriously.

SangreV
11-24-2012, 04:07 PM
^ Give the man some credit, he could play a mean calliope.

loftvoker
11-24-2012, 08:39 PM
brian219: Anton Lavey was a charlatan and third-rate intellectual, a pygmy of thought if you will, who no one took seriously. His followers were mostly nerds and social drop outs, the kind who would readily take up a Scientology personality test if they thought it would give them a sense of belonging.

Many of his followers are now just obese egocentrics, their pitiful 'rituals' now resembling more a LARP event than anything to be taken seriously.

To be fair, he was more intelligent than the general person. I'm not a fan but to say otherwise is just hogwash and plain ignorant. We get it, you don't agree with him, but you basically shoot yourself in the foot with such a statement. Focus on a better articulation.

brian219
11-24-2012, 09:02 PM
brian219: Anton Lavey was a charlatan and third-rate intellectual, a pygmy of thought if you will, who no one took seriously. His followers were mostly nerds and social drop outs, the kind who would readily take up a Scientology personality test if they thought it would give them a sense of belonging.

Many of his followers are now just obese egocentrics, their pitiful 'rituals' now resembling more a LARP event than anything to be taken seriously.

I don't disagree. I was just commenting on what seem to have been his views.

Adonai
11-25-2012, 04:20 AM
I don't disagree. I was just commenting on what seem to have been his views.

Didn't Marilyn Manson consider LaVey a mentor? Or do you all think Manson's involvement with him was just for publicity and show? Was it really Manson going, "I'm going for the whole Antichrist thing right now and working with LaVey will make it perfect." Perhaps it was all of the above. Although if LaVey was really a "charlatan and third-rate intellectual ... who no one took seriously" then what was the point?

Doom Juan
11-25-2012, 04:28 AM
Although if LaVey was really a "charlatan and third-rate intellectual ... who no one took seriously" then what was the point?

Well what do you think the point was?

Adonai
11-25-2012, 04:47 AM
Well what do you think the point was?

I'm glad you responded because I want your opinion on this too, DJ. What do you think the point of Manson's involvement was? You go first.

Doom Juan
11-25-2012, 05:56 AM
I'm glad you responded because I want your opinion on this too, DJ. What do you think the point of Manson's involvement was? You go first.

Impressionable 25 year old Marilyn Manson being duped by charlatan-showman Anton LaVey. I understand there's this whole legend that Manson likes to peddle around, as though it was his Beatles Maharishi moment, but the truth is even more mundane.

No one respected Anton LaVey or his views. If he had any brains he would have formed a rock band, after all the timing would have been perfect, but instead appointed himself the so-called "black pope" and become a laughing stock. The only people who bother reading his intellectual tripe these days are pretentious Mansonites, the type of cretin who wont read anything unless it has Manson's seal of approval.

One wonders how these pathetic sacks of human refuse find the will to even bother getting up in the morning.

All of the ideas LaVey promotes could quite easily be found, without having to waste good money on the 'Satanic Bible', in any number of public libraries.

But if they're still too bone idle to do that, or too thick to get themselves a library card, they could try wikipedia.

Cat
11-26-2012, 07:01 AM
Well what do you think the point was?

This is the point....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1loyjm4SOa0

filthytothecore
01-07-2013, 11:27 AM
I think the biggest key to it all is to involve yourself in lesser Satanic magick that and to do on the physical to get what you really desire in the world, To obtain power and social acceptance one doesn't merely muse about and do nothing, ONE sets straight looks the challenge in the eyes and conquers it.

crazybitch
12-13-2013, 07:44 PM
Brain: We must prepare for tomorrow night.
Pinky: Why? What are we going to do tomorrow night?Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky - try to take over the world!Chorus: They're Pinky, They're Pinky and the Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain!

Alterkaker66
12-14-2013, 08:28 AM
Wet blanket time. "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Sounds like an open invitation to every pedophile, sociopath and tyrannical bigot. All actions have consequences. The "Love is the law, love under will." part is usually forgotten.

MrBonestripper
12-14-2013, 08:37 AM
Wet blanket time. "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Sounds like an open invitation to every pedophile, sociopath and tyrannical bigot. All actions have consequences. The "Love is the law, love under will." part is usually forgotten.

isn't that from crowley?

i thought...... i didn't think he was a "satanist?"

Alterkaker66
12-14-2013, 10:01 AM
isn't that from crowley?

i thought...... i didn't think he was a "satanist?"
Ok, maybe I'm losing it, but my impression was that Satanism is not so much a worship of Satan, as a liberation of man in all his desires. The Order of Thelema is one of the first societies whose activities were largely public and therefore influenced all aspects of modern paganism. Anton LaVey is said to have conflicting opinions on Crowley himself but The Church of Satan has a lot of idealism in common. The details of who is called on, why and how, are very fluid according to the individual. Imo there is no one central source for all of the ideas or rituals of Satanic worship and magic.

MrBonestripper
12-14-2013, 12:25 PM
Ok, maybe I'm losing it, but my impression was that Satanism is not so much a worship of Satan, as a liberation of man in all his desires. The Order of Thelema is one of the first societies whose activities were largely public and therefore influenced all aspects of modern paganism. Anton LaVey is said to have conflicting opinions on Crowley himself but The Church of Satan has a lot of idealism in common. The details of who is called on, why and how, are very fluid according to the individual. Imo there is no one central source for all of the ideas or rituals of Satanic worship and magic.

it depends, i think.
i guess there are differences
different branches?

some worship an actual devil,
like the temple of set i think.
or crazy christians

some worship themselves,
like the church of satan
or "laveyan satanism"

crowley was all about sex magic,
and things having to do with
egyptian gods or something
and his thelema religion.
and he didn't believe in things like
"black" or "white" magic
like laveyans do.

he is often stereotyped as being a satanist, i know that.
i know laveyan satanists deal with sex magic too,
so maybe that's the connection?

and yes, "do what thou wilt" is crowley, do what you want according to your own will. right?
but i think just like anything else, it comes with rules. i dont think he condones pedophilia

anybody here a thelemite?

as far as laveyan satanism goes, they have rules too. perhaps they are a bit over dramatic, but i don't think it's dangerous. perhaps to the mentally challenged. not anymore dangerous than anything else out there. somebody could watch FRIDAY THE 13TH and then go kill their entire family. maybe that's not the best example, but do you know what i mean?

there are certain general natural laws or morals
that almost every human has
even ones that laveyans follow.
satanists
or maybe i should say "satanism"
does not preach "do what thou wilt"
but they do recommend "do what works for you"
so if "do what thou wilt" works for you
then go for it

they are against things like pedophilia though, fyi

so no, i dont think "do what thou wilt" is to be an open invitation to rape, molest, kill, fuck children ...etc. ...etc. ...etc.


some people do forget to love though, i think
you're right, they do forget that part
people get that way with or without
satanism
thelema
or whatever

Shock Hazard
01-07-2014, 02:17 PM
Funny how there's more Christians in prison than Satanists. Anyway, can't say I really follow any form of Satanism, although I can agree with some of its aspects. The sort of 'dogma' it professes comes off as contradicting as about any other scripture. Plus I don't worship anything, including myself. Wish I knew more Satanists though.

Angel of Sorrow
01-08-2014, 07:23 PM
I've checked it out a little, mainly out of curiosity. It really doesn't appeal to me... plus I DO believe in God, so it wouldn't work for me anyway. lol One thing I don't really understand about it is why Satanism.....why not just be an atheist and that's that?

Alterkaker66
01-09-2014, 10:01 AM
My opinion is that most organized, or at least structured, religions fill a human need for ritual and the promise of either divine help or personal power especially in times of crisis. Even followers of philosophies aren't immune to that description. Atheism gets tricky. It usually doesn't recognize any deities, but can still be spiritual and can be included in other ritualized religions. I say believe what you believe and have done with it.

MisanthroPope
01-09-2014, 11:49 AM
I think you have a problem when ever you start putting any rules and labels to want you are or plan to be.

Shock Hazard
01-09-2014, 12:01 PM
I've checked it out a little, mainly out of curiosity. It really doesn't appeal to me... plus I DO believe in God, so it wouldn't work for me anyway. lol One thing I don't really understand about it is why Satanism.....why not just be an atheist and that's that?


Satanism, at least LaVeyan Satanism, is technically atheistic. The Satanic symbol is used to represent the power, wisdom and prideful instincts of man. Spirituality in general is not necessarily a religious concept, but a natural sensation that occurs in anyone caught up in the moment and not known to be external from the human mind. But humans will always be stuck with the deep-seated need to believe, regardless of where science will take us.

Angel of Sorrow
01-11-2014, 10:59 PM
Wow, there's some good reading in here and I wish I could read through this whole thread (maybe I will a little at a time). I have my beliefs and know what's in my heart, but all of your thoughts and opinions on Satanism, God, spirituality, etc. are very interesting to me. There's so much floating around in my head right now that I can't even organize my thoughts. All I know is... I don't care what you believe, don't believe, consider yourself to be, etc., you (we) are all worthy of love, compassion, respect, and understanding as human beings. We are who we are and no one should be judged for that. Well, except for the Westboro Baptist bunch... they don't count. lol

Dirge Inferno
01-12-2014, 02:06 AM
I never got interested in it until this guy came along who struck a cord with me:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvUkgbXKDlc

I like and follow a lot of LaVeyan Satanism's philosophies and teachings, I wouldn't say that I am really into it though.

BreakingYourMomsOldMound
03-02-2014, 02:24 PM
Satanism is just objectivism with props. A randroid with an inverted pentagram necklace is still just a randroid.

Shock Hazard
03-03-2014, 04:09 PM
It's not just Rand, it also pertains to Darwinism, Nietzsche and Epicurus with maybe a dash of Freudism and Sartre. A lot of modernism with a 'evilish' face.

Alterkaker66
03-03-2014, 04:30 PM
Is the whole point here that we are trying to define a religious "evil"? How do you define evil in the first place. For myself it represents self before anything or anyone else, no matter the cost. But then again, isn't that a natural survival mechanism? Does the nature of evil change in times of plenty, vs times of famine (figuratively speaking)? So why does the Jokers smile twist an acid green laugh out of my heart? Because he is only an archetype? OK, and off topic I swerve.....

BreakingYourMomsOldMound
03-03-2014, 06:04 PM
According to LeVay, Satanism is "just Ayn Rand's philosophy, with ceremony and ritual added." So yes, it is just Rand.


http://books.google.com/books?id=oLcqlypMCe8C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=rand&f=false

(It won't let you preview the page, click on 172 and scroll down to read the quote in context.)

Shock Hazard
03-04-2014, 02:27 PM
I don't care what LeVay said, I'm just stating what other ideologies it falls in line with as well. Where do you think Rand got her influences from?

BreakingYourMomsOldMound
03-04-2014, 06:45 PM
I don't care what LeVay said, I'm just stating what other ideologies it falls in line with as well. Where do you think Rand got her influences from?

Where do I think she got them? From her antisocial personality disorder.

But more to the point, "Just Rand" incorporates Rand's influences. In other words, LeVay made up his philosophy by copying and pasting it from Rand and throwing in some dogma. He needn't need to read Freud, Darwin or anyone else. (Not that Freud and Darwin actually influenced Rand in any meaningful way. Her grasp of genuine intellectuals was banal at best.)

P.S. How can you not care what LeVay says about Satanism if you're talking about Satanism? He made it up. That's why it's called LeVayan Satanism. That's like saying you wanna talk about Marxism but you don't care what Marx said.

Anyway, it's just a trite gimmick made up to piss off Christians and make money.

BreakingYourMomsOldMound
03-04-2014, 06:46 PM
What religion isn't full of opportunists? If you're going to jsut single out one and say they are bad, May as well lump them all into one and say there are shitty people of all religions.

You're right. Let's get rid of all religions, including Satanism.

Shock Hazard
03-05-2014, 12:44 PM
Where do I think she got them? From her antisocial personality disorder.

But more to the point, "Just Rand" incorporates Rand's influences. In other words, LeVay made up his philosophy by copying and pasting it from Rand and throwing in some dogma. He needn't need to read Freud, Darwin or anyone else. (Not that Freud and Darwin actually influenced Rand in any meaningful way. Her grasp of genuine intellectuals was banal at best.)

P.S. How can you not care what LeVay says about Satanism if you're talking about Satanism? He made it up. That's why it's called LeVayan Satanism. That's like saying you wanna talk about Marxism but you don't care what Marx said.

Anyway, it's just a trite gimmick made up to piss off Christians and make money.

Well if anything, she was mostly infleunced by Aristotle, then it sort of grew from there.

Obviously I would have to go by what LeVey wrote in order to determine what his principles fall under and they still feature more than just what Rand wrote, much of it follows existentialism as well. But if he wants to say that it's really nothing more than just objectivism, then it's hardly his philosophy when Satanism traditionally means to worship Satan. Adding devil horns to something many already deemed as 'evil' still doesn't really change much.

But Christians really arn't a hard race to aggrivate. Simply opening your mind to the emperical world where your beliefs may become challenged can be distressing enough.