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brian219
06-10-2012, 09:33 PM
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/logo.jpg

I've noticed a lot of parallels between Manson's work and certain comic book characters. Obviously, ACSS shares it's Nietzsche influence with the Superman character, but the parallels seem to go beyond that, to the point where it should be examined how much he has drawn on these characters and in particular the popular 70s animated series Super Friends.

I think it's pretty clear that if ACSS is channeling a particular Super Friend it's definitely Superman. Even board admin, Norsefire seems to have picked up on this with his signature picture:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/acsm.jpg


Hey, hey, hey Mr. Superman,
I want to be your little girl

Superman also parallels Satan in a way, having fallen from the sky, similar to the shock symbol's lightning-like zig-zag to the ground. This is also similar to Mechanical Animal's alien theme, where Omega was an outsider.

But Mechanical Animals has a more feminine theme. Interestingly, there's another Super Friend who is also an outsider to man's world, a woman.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/ww.jpg

Much like Omega, Wonder Woman was not human. She came from Paradise Island to make contact with humans.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/MonderMowan.jpg

Also interesting is that Wonder Woman is initialed "WW" which is "MM" upside down.

Leading up to Holy Wood Manson announced the coming of the age of Horus. Everyone knows that according to Egyptian mythology Horus was the Hawk-headed god of war. Is there a Super Friend like that?

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/hol.jpg

This version of Hawkman also happened to be another alien, although most versions of the character have him as a human reincarnation of an ancient Egyptian.

The Flash fits several Manson motifs, as well. Recalling the lightning bolt motif of the shock symbol, this guy was literally struck by lightning. His symbol:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/fl1.jpg

This isn't the original version of the character though. The Golden Age Flash looked like this:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/jay1.jpg

The character was modeled heavily after the Roman god Mercury:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/hermes.jpg

Notice that the wings are still present on the head and feet even on the Super Friend's Flash.

What does Mercury have to do with Manson? He put his symbol on the disc for Holy Wood!

Coming soon in Part 2:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/btsog.jpg
The Gardener breaking the same old ground.

Also, learn how Batman has to look up just to see Hell from the Batcave and what all those monkey references were really about.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/Gleek.jpg

Golden Eel
06-10-2012, 10:52 PM
http://i.imgur.com/f2ktq.gif

Sans Agendum
06-10-2012, 11:47 PM
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/approval/grand/theater_approve_gif.gif

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m44j783AR51qbc674.gif

sayyosin
06-11-2012, 01:24 AM
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/theblindskater78/562463_10151617073654057_945655693_n-1.jpg

The Empirical Guy
06-11-2012, 02:18 AM
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/Gleek.jpg

Crimes in the ocean?

brian219
06-11-2012, 07:54 AM
Crimes in the ocean?

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69489245/SF/aqua.jpeg
"Not on my watch, Black Manta!"

brian219
06-11-2012, 08:26 AM
But seriously:

Aqua:
aq∑ua/ˈškwə/
Synonyms: water


Hydra:
IPA: /ˈhʏːd.ra/
1. A water-snake.
2. Prefix meaning water


I am the Hydra. Now you'll see your star.

Heather Quick
06-11-2012, 08:43 AM
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wHGfkytcXSc/TmD3Q1OYyvI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/kpXB20Ek_7k/s635/bvss.jpg

Norsefire
06-11-2012, 08:48 AM
:( I thought this was going to be about Friends, the tv show... if it was I could of posted something. I will post it anyway lol, I recently spotted this on Friends

http://i45.tinypic.com/2z5qjoj.jpg

brian219
06-11-2012, 09:23 AM
Interestingly, Superman's Krytptonian name, Kal El, translates as "all that God is" in Hebrew. This would be random coincidence except that both of Superman's creators happened to be Jewish, making them perhaps more likely to have known what the name meant.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aoltv.com/media/2008/06/mirror-superman
The reflecting god.

Atom
06-11-2012, 02:40 PM
Batman is "Manson" in Zulu.

brian219
06-11-2012, 03:04 PM
Batman is "Manson" in Zulu.

Interesting.

Strangely, in Aramaic "bat" means daughter (like in bat mitzvah). So whereas "Manson" is "son of man," "bat man" would be "daughter of man."

TheTeletubbieFlasher
06-11-2012, 05:22 PM
:I

Sans Agendum
06-11-2012, 06:20 PM
:IGo away.

TheTeletubbieFlasher
06-11-2012, 07:00 PM
D:

The Empirical Guy
06-12-2012, 02:32 AM
I read through this thread and I just think, "what the bullshit?"

Please, continue.

Enigma
06-12-2012, 05:39 AM
I'm liking this for being so stupid and retarded.

Atom
06-12-2012, 07:23 AM
Interesting.

Strangely, in Aramaic "bat" means daughter (like in bat mitzvah). So whereas "Manson" is "son of man," "bat man" would be "daughter of man."

You just opened the second door, my friend.
DAUGHTER = "Not man enough to be human": "He" is not really a "he" but is actually a "she".

OF MAN = "Dad is missing an 'E'": After doing a lengthy and time consuming search for the relationship between the letter "E" and "female" I stumbled upon this: http://m.urbandictionary.com/#define?term=E-Female "A male individual who pretends to be a female..."

Maybe Born Villian is an album about a female and also an album about Manson. How is that possible since Manson has said it's not about a female and is actually only about himself? Fasten your seatbelts: He is the female.

Can we go any deeper and if we can, should we?

Manichaeist
06-12-2012, 09:30 AM
this is basically the best thread on the board ever

brian219
06-12-2012, 02:24 PM
You spoonfed us Saturday morning mouthfuls of maggots and lies disguised in your sugary breakfast cereals. The plates you made us clean were filled with your fears. These things have hardened in our soft pink bellies. We are what you have made us. We have grown up watching your television. We are a symptom of your Christian America, the biggest Satan of all. This is your world in which we grow. And we will grow to hate you.

This is probably pretty familiar to everyone. It's from the POAAF booklet. It's here that Manson makes an overt mention to Saturday morning and watching TV together. Super Friends was, of course, one of many Saturday morning cartoons that children would watch, often with a bowl of cereal in their lap, while sitting in front of the TV.

The wish to GROW may stem from wish fulfillment fantasies brought about by this character:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6d/Apachechief.jpg/250px-Apachechief.jpg

Apache Chief. By uttering his magic word, "Eh-neeek-chock" he could grow to unlimited sizes. As a small child this may have appealed to Manson.


Wanna grow up, wanna be a big rock and roooll staaar.

brian219
06-14-2012, 03:19 PM
Alright, I guess it's Part II time.

Batman: The Guardian of Hell.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080218065239/marvel_dc/images/c/c8/Batman_-_Super_Friends_01.jpg

This requires a little bit of a history lesson, which I'll try to keep brief.

According to most Levantine religious systems the old sun god gets replaced by a new sun god at some point in the mythology. This occurs with Osiris who gets replaced by his son Horus after his death. The same thing happens with Baal and his son Tammuz and so on across different cultures. Same story different names. The interesting part is that the former sun god typically becomes the new god of the underworld in death. With Osiris this was because Isis couldn't find his wiener. Skip ahead several centuries and the Greco-Roman system has Saturn/Chronus being usurped as the celestial king by his son, Zeus/Jupiter, in a clear parallel to the older stories.

That said, we can connect Batman to Saturn/Osiris/Baal in two ways. One is the underworld aspect. Not only the Batcave aspect, which makes a nice metaphor for Hades, but also because Batman's career was born in death. In this case the deaths of his parents.

Another nice parallel is that Baal specifically was revered as the "two-horned" god, originally as the "Solar Bull" and later as the "Lunar Calf" symbolized by the crescent moon's resemblance to bull horns. This fits nicely with the two horns on Batman's cowl.

At this point in the mythology's development the struggle between the greater god of the sun and the lesser god of the moon becomes emblematic of day and night, ruling alternately. For those that didn't put it together Superman is the solar powered sun guy, the day.
Superman was typically more popular than Batman, except during the mid-60s, up until the late 80s when Batman became and remained much more popular, as he is to this day. The moon has now eclipsed the sun.

Okay, great. Batman and Superman are the sun and the moon. What does that have to do with Marilyn Manson? The High End of Low features direct allusions to Saturn/Osiris/Baal. Devour has that god-awful line about "swallow(ing) up all of you" as Saturn did his children. Manson clearly alluded to the painting "Saturn Devouring His Children." And Into the Fire deals with the concept of ending up in Hades/Hell, just as Saturn did when overthrown by Jupiter. The concept of the song is even along the lines of revenge, with threats of sharpening his bones and such crazy shit. If you look at the lyrics from the point-of-view of someone who has been usurped and is bitter about it, they make a whole lot more sense.

http://wallpaper.pickywallpapers.com/lg-optimus/preview/scary-batman.jpg

Taking a break.

Next: The monkey.

brian219
06-14-2012, 05:05 PM
Part IIb

This is Evolution.

The original incarnation of Super Friends featured two "normal" youngsters, a male and a female, that were presumably present to give viewers without superpowers someone to relate to. Their names were Marvin and Wendy. They also had a dog called Wonderdog.

http://www.titanstower.com/monitor/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/WendyMarvin_01.jpg

It may be surmised that these two represent the masculine and feminine aspects. Supporting this theory is their names: (M)arvin and (W)endy, a young (M)an and (W)oman. Wonderdog could then be said to represent the animal nature present in all humans. Marvin clearly aspires to be more than human, however, donning a shirt with his initial and a cape, like his heroes. Despite Marvin's ambition Wendy is often the only one of the two that actually manages to do anything useful. There is a distinct lack of harmony between the male and the female.

Fast forward to the next incarnation of the series and Marvin and Wendy are nowhere to be found. Instead we see a new male/female pairing. The Wonder Twins, Zan and Jayna. Accompanying these two is a new animal companion. Not a mere dog, but a chimp named Gleek.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_v92booQKnyI/RzhJlN1IxWI/AAAAAAAAAGo/6vIvL4WRZhw/s320/gleek2.jpg

Unlike Marvin and Wendy, Zan and Jayna are more than human, possessing strange powers. According to the series they are extraterrestrials from the planet Exxor. Their appearance is testament to this as they have a unique skin color and pointed ears. This representation of the male/female aspects is clearly superior to the homo sapiens of the previous version. Unlike Marvin and Wendy, these two dress just like the god-like Super Friends. It's as though Marvin and Wendy have evolved.

Neither Zan nor Jayna is inept in this pair. They work together in balance and often save the day. Their only weakness is that they must be together to activate their powers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Wonder_Twins.jpg

By combining the masculine and feminine they are able to harness the harmonic powers of the Androgyne, an act that is beyond mere mortals.

Which brings us to Gleek, who would represent a human being, in contrast to the superior beings who are his masters. Gleek is the base animal man that the Wonder Twins have become superior to.

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/102/1020354/WonderTwins_1251823791.jpg
"The primate's scream of consonance is a reflection of his own mind's dissonance"

I think that most in the MM community are familiar with how this relates to the themes of male/female, evolution and Nietzsche-esque self-realization found within Manson's work.



P.S. Born Villain is the Joker as people pointed out several months ago.

http://cdn.retrojunk.com/media/image/images/32f_2c43c88fc7.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/32/Killingjoke.JPG/250px-Killingjoke.JPG
"...my new camera equipped with a flash."



http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/comics/wallpapers/jla-alex-ross.jpg
The Gods at Mount Olympus

Further Reading:

http://i43.tower.com/images/mm111294449/superheroes-gods-comparative-study-from-babylonia-batman-don-locicero-paperback-cover-art.jpg

http://www.tower.com/superheroes-gods-comparative-study-from-babylonia-batman-don-locicero-paperback/wapi/111294449

http://www.poptheology.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/book.jpg

http://www.poptheology.com/2011/03/graven-images/

rusty shackleford
06-14-2012, 08:44 PM
This thread is certainly an interesting read. I do want to point out that the shock logo is probably just that, a shock logo. We have them on every machine at work and I always think of Manson walking by them.

brian219
06-14-2012, 09:55 PM
This thread is certainly an interesting read. I do want to point out that the shock logo is probably just that, a shock logo. We have them on every machine at work and I always think of Manson walking by them.

Yeah, it's a really common symbol for electricity. Did you know that it's earliest recorded use was to represent the lightning bolts thrown by Zeus? As such it came to basically mean "the power of the gods." Kinda neat when you think about how we still call electricity "power." Power plants, the power's out, etc.

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/16/1618.html

Also interesting:

http://www.symbols.com/pics/big/16/1611.gif
Danger
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/16/1616.html

http://www.symbols.com/pics/big/09/0911.gif
Poisonous
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/09/098.html

Dronepool
06-15-2012, 12:43 AM
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2180/dcu0batspicture4.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2053/dcu0batspicture5.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3568/dcu0batspicture6.jpg


http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5575/batman681045s.jpg

brian219
06-15-2012, 09:17 AM
Gotta love Grant Morrison.

Found this in a post by S.D from last year:

http://static.diary.ru/userdir/9/2/3/0/92300/38518753.jpg
http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/1200-Visual-Parallels?p=85382&viewfull=1#post85382

I'd remembered seeing this somewhere and after a half hour of searching the internet I finally found it....here on PM. Derp.

Anyway it just shows that others have connected Manson and the Joker, even comic book creators.

Dronepool
06-15-2012, 06:41 PM
<3 Grant

If Joker is Marilyn Manson does that make Trent Reznor Batman?

http://denizoktar.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/batman-sings2.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw9gven4Ug1qearaqo1_r1_500.jpg


He's the goddamn Trent Reznor :-P

kleiner352
06-16-2012, 03:00 PM
Gotta love Grant Morrison.

Found this in a post by S.D from last year:

http://static.diary.ru/userdir/9/2/3/0/92300/38518753.jpg
http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/1200-Visual-Parallels?p=85382&viewfull=1#post85382

I'd remembered seeing this somewhere and after a half hour of searching the internet I finally found it....here on PM. Derp.

Anyway it just shows that others have connected Manson and the Joker, even comic book creators.

Also the Revolver photoshoot where he had the Joker makeup.

Jakob Synn
06-18-2012, 02:08 AM
I think someone should interview Manson and take all these comparisons and show it to him and ask him flat out what he thinks about them because even though Manson thinks a lot about his next move, you could assume that some things are just plain coincidence and not something he planned on doing, but his fans make the comparison and it just seems natural.

I would love to hear an interview on what he thinks of stuff like this and his hardcore fans that analyze everything he does.

Jakob Synn
06-18-2012, 02:12 AM
Sorry for the double post


<3 Grant

If Joker is Marilyn Manson does that make Trent Reznor Batman?


Then Atticus Ross would be Robin and Twiggy would be Harley Quinn

Sans Agendum
07-21-2012, 12:15 AM
Sorry for the double post



Then Atticus Ross would be Robin and Twiggy would be Harley Quinn

Then who was batfone?

Shangri-LIE
07-21-2012, 11:51 AM
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070523233334/marvel_dc/images/5/5f/Riddler,The_batman.jpg

MaryYana
07-23-2012, 02:45 PM
Antichrist Super Friends sounds like the satanic version of My Little Pony.

"Friendship is magic!"

Golden Eel
07-31-2012, 11:46 AM
Can we bring brian219 back, please?

A Better Messiah
08-01-2012, 06:49 AM
Antichrist Super Friends sounds like the satanic version of My Little Pony.

"Friendship is magic!"

Correction:

"Friendship is magick!" :p

HeartShapedAsses
08-17-2012, 08:52 PM
When I first started reading this, I thought it was hilariously ridiculous. It is, however... There might, just might on some off distant possibility, have some fact in it. Because when you think about MM's origins, what was one of their major symbolisms? -Lunchboxes. And what is on lunchboxes? -Cartoon characters, some of which: are superheroes... And yes the superfriends too. So maybe there is some odd parallels to this, that's so silly it was never even considered by the public in their early years, before now. Orit could just be that there was some influence, but it was subliminal (to the band). But I doubt that more than the first scenario, because seems like everything so very well planned as far as symbolisms: especially in the eras you guys are talking about. Either way, it's a fascinating idea.

sayyosin
08-18-2012, 10:07 AM
When I first started reading this, I thought it was hilariously ridiculous. It is, however... There might, just might on some off distant possibility, have some fact in it. Because when you think about MM's origins, what was one of their major symbolisms? -Lunchboxes. And what is on lunchboxes? -Cartoon characters, some of which: are superheroes... And yes the superfriends too. So maybe there is some odd parallels to this, that's so silly it was never even considered by the public in their early years, before now. Orit could just be that there was some influence, but it was subliminal (to the band). But I doubt that more than the first scenario, because seems like everything so very well planned as far as symbolisms: especially in the eras you guys are talking about. Either way, it's a fascinating idea.

lol

Sigilsdigi
11-30-2014, 03:15 PM
This thread is glorious.