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Norsefire
07-15-2012, 12:16 PM
27 November 2012
Venue: M E N Arena
Location: Manchester, England, UK

http://marilynmanson.com - http://robzombie.com





Members Attending:

Heather Quick
Norsefire
Stephen
303
kalim123
Fedele
Principiante
Tinuviel
DRbutcherMD

Stephen
07-15-2012, 03:18 PM
I'll be there.

Norsefire
07-24-2012, 09:58 AM
Tickets on sale this Friday on Ticketmaster - http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/search?tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search&user_input=Marilyn+Manson&q=Marilyn+Manson&search.x=0&search.y=0

I assume the venue will either link to Ticketmaster too or have their own link up as well.

Norsefire
07-25-2012, 07:34 AM
Got my tickets with O2 Priority.
I went with seated tickets, I was hoping to be lower tier and either the first or second block from the stage, ended up lower tier in block 114 which is the second block away on the right side, so I'm happy with that!

Hopefully it will be a good view and I can get some good photos and videos, I hope the bit of distance from the stage is enough for me to be close enough but not too close the sound will get wrecked on my camera.

Stephen
07-25-2012, 07:45 AM
Are you going for seated with B'ham too? I can't decide whether to do seating for one and standing for the other. I almost definitely won't see a thing if I stand, but it's more fun.

ps it's technically just Manchester Arena now, rather than MEN.

Heather Quick
07-26-2012, 08:08 AM
I'll be there!

303
07-28-2012, 04:27 AM
Tickets booked. Probably getting train down after the London show so ill be around during the day, doing my usual Manchester gig ritual of wetherspoons in printworks for food before show if anyone wants to join

kalim123
08-06-2012, 03:26 AM
I'm probably coming. I think you'll be able to recognize me. I'll be the little asian boy!

kalim123
08-06-2012, 03:55 AM
I'll be there! It's official!

303
10-25-2012, 06:17 AM
Got a hotel booked, the mitre hotel, location and price look pretty decent

Principiante
10-30-2012, 05:04 PM
I am in on this one as well :D

Fedele
10-31-2012, 08:13 AM
i will be there with meet and greet ticket!!! i am alone and i will arrive in manchester at 2 pm from london! some one wanna stay with me for the show and the after party?? thank you !

Heather Quick
11-16-2012, 07:31 AM
Got my ticket earlier today! \o/



666 post. I'm so fucking evil.

Tinuviel
11-19-2012, 08:01 AM
I'll be there. And I'll do the meet and great as well. (:

Fedele, I'll be travelling from London as well. But I'll go earlier to be in Manchester at around 12pm...I'm a girl I'll need hours to get ready in my hotel room! ^^ But I guess we'll meet any way if you want to. ^^

Norsefire
11-19-2012, 04:02 PM
I'm now doing the meet and great at this show as well. Probably not going to arrive early enough for the early entry stuff but the golden ticket said this isn't an issue.
I'm travelling up after 2pm, so I will probably be at the venue around maybe 5ish, could be earlier but who knows what the traffic will be like that day, I will be happy when I'm in Manchester.

DRbutcherMD
11-20-2012, 07:59 AM
I'm going to the m&g too, where do we go when we arrive at the arena? To the box office?
Cheers

Norsefire
11-20-2012, 10:34 AM
They will email us details a few days before the show. I would expect it might be at or near the box office, or at least those guys would point you in the right direction for it.

Norsefire
11-20-2012, 05:37 PM
Just received this email:

"There has been a change with the Marilyn "Manson After Show Party" package. The Marilyn Manson Meet and Greet will now happen pre-show so please expect to be at the venue 4 hours before doors. Thank you so much for your understanding. We promise this will be an unforgettable evening!"

So the VIP will be before the show.

Kind of a fucker because I don't know if I can make it to Manchester 4 hours before the show, so I'm kinda assuming I might miss out on this. Bastards! I hope I can make it though, fingers crossed!

Tinuviel
11-20-2012, 11:08 PM
Fingers crossed, Norse! Hope you can make it somehow!

Norsefire
11-21-2012, 02:59 AM
I have to try and get this day off work now. Because it was after show I booked the following day off instead because I had time to finish work, travel, see the show and then do the after thing... now that's fucked up! So my plan now is to take this day off so I can get there early, but I will have to leave after Mansons set so I can travel back, sleep and get up for work the next day now instead. Fingers fucking crossed this works out!

Norsefire
11-21-2012, 03:57 PM
As mentioned in the other thread I got my days off sorted now so I can attend these pre-show after shows lol.

Golden Ticket just sent me the email for Manchester -

Please arrive at the venue promptly at 2:30pm to check-in for your VIP experience.
Please look for The One & Only Golden Ticket signs, starting at the box office, which will point you in the direction of check-in.
If you have bought a show entry ticket through a ticketing outlet, and the ticket is at the venue willcall, please pick it up prior to coming to check-in.
If you have a specific item you would like Marilyn Manson to sign, you may bring this with you.
Please note: If you also purchased a package for Rob Zombie, please arrive for check-in at the time listed on the Rob Zombie confirmation.
Please note: Packages can ONLY be claimed with a government issued photo identification with the name(s) provided for the willcall list. Please remember to bring your GOLDEN TICKET PURCHASE CONFIRMATION.
Here are details for the Meet & Greet:
o This will take place before the entire event, at which point you will receive your merchandise.
o Personal cameras and phones will not be allowed during the meet & greet but you can use them during the show. You will be able to pose for a picture with Marilyn Manson and we will email you the pictures.

Thank you, and we'll see you at the show!

I assume everyone else here that's going will get it too, but pasted here anyway.
There is a contact email for anyone who may be running late or have issues, but it's for emergencies only and will be found in your emails.

Paradox
11-22-2012, 09:14 AM
o Personal cameras and phones will not be allowed during the meet & greet but you can use them during the show.

I wonder whether it means you can't have a phone with you or you're just not allowed to use it during the meet & greet?

Cringeon
11-22-2012, 09:32 AM
They will just get after you if you have it out. You can have it on you, just don't attempt to take pictures/videos because they can eject you over it.

Stephen
11-26-2012, 11:58 AM
Anybody know the expected stage time for MM?

Norsefire
11-27-2012, 12:10 AM
No other changes to VIP so I will be there at 2:30.

303
11-27-2012, 03:10 AM
On way to Manchester from London now. Anyone pm me if you wanna meet up or whatever. I might be busy pre show, not sure yet. I'm wearing a t shirt with Michael Jackson riding a bike..... So can't miss me I guess

Norsefire
11-27-2012, 04:54 AM
The VIP is now after the show!

What a fucker! Just got the email saying its
now after the show, so once again plans fucked up! Anyway thinkin about staying for it and just not sleeping before work tomorrow.

Tinuviel
11-27-2012, 06:03 AM
Yeah I just read that too. I'm so tired. I got back from yesterdays meet&greet at around 4 in the morning. And today I had to catch my early train to Manchester. Oh well...
But the M&G yesterday really made up for all the troubles and I hope it will be the same today. If I were
you, I'd stay.

303
11-27-2012, 06:28 AM
Hey tinuviel, thanks for helping me with bus times when my phone died, did you get your taxi okay? Just in Manchester now, see you all later

FeedYourHead
11-27-2012, 11:57 AM
Laney is totally doing Twiggy's make-up. *squee*
from her twitter/instagram

http://distilleryimage8.instagram.com/d0ef7ff638c011e2bcaf22000a1fbcb3_7.jpg

Cringeon
11-27-2012, 02:30 PM
Just got a message from Norse

MM was like 10x better than when I saw him in the US. He put on a fucking hell of a show. Vocals sounded fucking great.

I'm sure more details later ;)

FeedYourHead
11-27-2012, 03:13 PM
http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/60e7878c38d711e2ab5722000a9e0907_7.jpg

AssetReign
11-27-2012, 04:02 PM
Best review yet:
"Marilyn Manson rocked Manchester tonight , his grandpa Rob did some dad dancing with fireworks."

Cringeon
11-27-2012, 04:12 PM
303 says it was better than.last nights show even haha

AssetReign
11-27-2012, 04:14 PM
303 says it was better than.last nights show even haha

He's on fire.

303
11-27-2012, 04:50 PM
Hey, amazing show tonight. The crowd was so good, made a huge difference from last night. The bands spoke of this, I know bands always do that for a reaction, but seriously! They fed of this, Manson played with more energy, sounding so good live, its so much better than any YouTube Shitty video, they really sound so amazing in person. Zombie was great fun again, one of the best live bands there is. no pyro tonight though unfortunately.

Norsefire
11-27-2012, 07:33 PM
And when I say 10x better, I thought the show in the US was awesome but fuck! tonight's show was easily the best MM show I've been too. Band was great but MMs vocals sounded so strong to me, and he was having a lot of fun.

Met some great people, module members and maybe soon to be module members.

Did the VIP. I gave Marilyn Manson aids! Will post more details and stuff tomorrow. Currently on my way home/straight to work.

Cringeon
11-27-2012, 10:01 PM
Glad to hear the show was a blast, cant wait for the story ;)

Cringeon
11-27-2012, 10:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PveS-ta8K9c

Principiante
11-28-2012, 12:20 AM
Yeahh... Manson did say that the Manchester audience was better (don't really know whether it was because it was a smaller venue and everything seemed more crowded, or it was just his happiness by seeing me twice).
In any case, it was a good show. I am suspect to say it, as I was in both, but apart from being closer to the stage (the space between the fences and the stage was shorter), they both seemed very similar and very good to me :D

MrPogo
11-28-2012, 07:28 AM
He seems to like the venue; when I met him in 2001 he said the Manchester show was one of the best he'd ever done. Probably is at least partly due to the layout of the place.

FeedYourHead
11-28-2012, 12:38 PM
http://instagram.com/p/SlZTU-QWZm/

The Wax Gentleman
11-28-2012, 03:37 PM
You'd think with all that jumping around every night he'd lose some weight... No offense intended.
On a good note, his vocals are amazing, his performance is amazing... It's a shame nobody's interested in bootlegs of quality anymore. Remember when people would bring a tape recorder with a microphone or something to shows? When bootlegs actually sounded good? Now everybody brings their cell phones... I really want to see Manson live when he comes to the West Coast or when I get enough money to fly somewhere else and bring a fantastic microphone and a fantastic recording device... I guess the artists get more money for live releases they put out, but Manson hasn't put out one of those for what, 12 years?

EDIT: Wow, I really use "..." to much, don't I...

Scorpion
11-28-2012, 07:27 PM
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Do it, bro. I want. You have my emotional support.

Heather Quick
11-29-2012, 07:37 AM
FUCKING. AMAZING. SHOW. I screamed my lungs out during every song and jumped like a retarded, I even lost my voice hahaha, but it was all worth

Heather Quick
11-29-2012, 01:56 PM
Sorry for the double post. The only picture I took and it turned out pretty cool!

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/706268_10151261823225690_1010240127_o.jpg

Norsefire
11-30-2012, 04:11 PM
^ that's a fucking brilliant photo! Thanks for sharing that.

I've put some pics on our FB. Will be putting up some Birmingham stuff tomorrow.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.522277131116293.124714.243375722339770&type=1

Terrapin
11-30-2012, 04:13 PM
Hey, Cruel World/Disposable Teens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNF3IZx0J7U

Disposable Teens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ4QVFlZOXU&list=UL

Love Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i4DNqHzFWU&list=UL

mOBSCENE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs9feFdxQjc&list=UL

Dope Show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxVy6I1IJoE&list=UL

Slo-Mo-Tion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-iK77gG2nE

Rock Is Dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1DzTO1Egwk&list=UL

Personal Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3zTz2SXxUg

The Beautiful People

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ibd7xikNc

Norsefire
12-01-2012, 07:52 AM
Here's a good review from Manchester. I thought he interacted with the crowd more at this show, they totally didn't mention about him spending a good amount of time reaching for people's phones through Personal Jesus and then getting one, walking round the stage with it and then tossing it back.


Having spent many years complaining about being public scapegoat number one for a wide range of random atrocities, it ought to make a nice change to be a family favourite. And there was always something endearingly vulnerable about him, the white face and eyestripe not the mark of a monster but rather the sign of the perpetual outsider – condemned to unjust vilification for the crimes of others. You’d think he’d be pleased.

He didn’t look pleased however and there was precious little of the vulnerable Manson on show at the MEN. He seemed to be taking the ‘Twins of Evil’ tag pretty literally and the set list was packed with his loudest and most abrasive material, opening with “Hey Cruel World”, “Disposable Teens” and “Love Song” and closing with “Antichrist Superstar” and “Beautiful People”, taking in “mOBSCENE” and “Rock Is Dead” along the way. Each song was dispatched with relish, allowed to scream for a while before being finished off with a stake through its heart; Manson’s voice was in fine fettle, hysterical one moment, menacing the next. There were, of course, lots of costume changes, several feather boas in a variety of colours and some fantastic light effects but Manson himself seemed somewhat distant; he engaged only occasionally with the audience, throwing a few angular shapes with the microphone stand and issuing a few booming obscenities.

The audience screamed and punched the air during the rocking out numbers but their biggest reaction was reserved for the two cover versions that made up the middle part of the show, Depeche Mode’s “Personal Jesus: and the Eurhythmics’ “Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)”. For these songs Manson allowed the decibel level to drop just a little and it was here that he made best use of the deeper end of his vocal range, the sly and insinuatingly wicked vocal stylings which have always been a feature of his recordings, but which feature less in his live performances. He ruthlessly dissected these small innocent songs and reassembled their still quivering parts into gothic inversions of themselves, teasing dark nuances from the lyric with irresistible relish, investing them with a menace that their authors surely never envisaged.

Manson has always been a master of image manipulation and there was plenty of that in evidence on stage – his guitar is equipped with a laser rifle sight which he played on the audience during “Slo-Mo-Tion”, inverted American flags featured widely, the stars replaced by a jagged fascistic arrow, and during “Sweet Dreams” a single lamp in a circular shade was lowered from the roof to hang just above Manson’s head evoking countless movie scenes of torture and interrogation, but at times the whole symbolic edifice seemed somewhat random and top heavy – particularly when two crew members manhandled a distinctly wobbly looking barbed wire tinseled pulpit onto the stage for Manson to mount and declaim “King Kill 33” Nuremberg Rally-style. One began to suspect that perhaps Manson had taken his reputation for evil just a little too seriously – and recent events in the U.K. have shown that we can create plenty of evil of our own thank you, and it is more likely to be wearing a track suit and smoking a big cigar than sporting a gimp mask and red leather elbow gloves.

http://www.qromag.com/reviews/concert_reviews/rob-zombie-marilyn-manson/

The part at the end about our own evil in the UK is that we had a guy here called Jimmy Savile who did TV shows and had access to lots of kids. He died last year, and now it's all coming out like 30 years later or something that all these kids were touched up by him etc. and he had been getting away with it for years.

The Wax Gentleman
12-01-2012, 10:52 AM
It's nice to see a favourable review, there aren't a lot of those swimming around right now.

"...at times the whole symbolic edifice seemed somewhat random and top heavy..."

^ Hahaha, good thing Rob Zombie's props and costumes and sets all had deep meaning to them and weren't random or didn't make any sense. ;)

Terrapin
12-01-2012, 11:06 AM
Well-written review. I don't agree with all of the reviewer's points, seeing as Manson's set seems much more cohesive now than when he started off, but I also don't expect them to look too far into these things either. The reviewer invoked a lot of imagery which works well with what Manson is trying to do here. Good read.

Norsefire
12-02-2012, 09:21 AM
Here's my video of Hey, Cruel World... audio didn't come out that great on it. Sounds ok, but it's nothing like being there. Be sure to select HD because the picture quality is quite good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsQFod-5P2w

Norsefire
12-03-2012, 03:39 PM
Finally had some time to sit down and finish writing about this show...

Went for VIP at this show, was a bit of a bastard it changed to after show, but we stayed and just drove straight home, 30 mins sleep and then off to work. But all fucking worth it!!

Met up with Tinuviel (also now known as Heidi, because that's what my sister called her and it just stuck all night) who was also doing the VIP, so we hung around with her waiting for the early entry. Got talking to some other MM fans who aren't members of the module, maybe they might join. Forgot my quick mini flyer/cards I made to hand out to some people, but then I found I had some in the back of my wallet, so I was able to give some out, my sister randomly went to people in VIP and handed them cards too for the site.

Managed to say hello to Dave 303 after the show, he was on his way out at the end. It's always great to meet up with regular/long term members of the online MM community.

Some people there were dressed really cool, some people as Manson, a pair as Manson and Twiggy ACSS era, they looked great!

Went in early, although the early entry was at the scheduled time of doors to open anyway, but they let wrist bands in first so for those wanting to get to the front, they managed to do that.

Checked out the MM merch and grabbed to the ACSS shock logo shirt.

Daniel P Carter did his DJ set to open the show, never seen a DJ open a show like that before so it was a bit random to me but I thought it was good. I listen to his rock show on Radio 1, and at the VIP after the show he was just hanging around there so I went and said a quick hello to him as well. Total bonus to be able to meet him.

So MARILYN MANSON!
From start to finish it was a solid performance all round, like I said on the other page his vocals sounded really strong to me! Who know's how it will sound on digital camera's and stuff, but I was fucking there and I thought it was great. I did record some videos, but haven't checked out how the sound came out on it (since I wrote this I uploaded HCW, see above). The whole band put on a great performance, can't really fault anything.

Noticed that his stage helpers before Personal Jesus with the wobbly mirror had caps on which looked like red double crosses on the front... made me wonder why they're not available on the merch stands. I would totally buy one!

Manson tried his hardest to get someone's phone during Personal Jesus, he was reaching, pointing and reaching and making gestures to pass him the phone, in the end he just stuck his finger up at them and moved across the stage, but then went back and picked out someone else who did pass him their phone and he walked around the stage singing with the phone up to his head, pretty funny stuff, then he tossed it back from the looks of it... lol. I have that all on video.

I think the guitar Manson had for Slo-Mo-Tion had a gun lazer thing on the end of it. He's been pointing the guitar out like a gun for a while now, but seeing him do it at London in July and Arizona in September, never noticed that on the end before.

I thought the stage looked great when the curtain dropped with the double cross already hanging down. When I saw the show in Arizona, the cross only came down at the start of The Love Song. I prefer having it down for longer, especially that first reveal of the stage.

The stage lighting was better/different at this show than Arizona too, just some slight differences I think, but a big difference was No Reflection. I think I posted in the AZ thread that the stage was really dark for NR and you couldn't see much going on, so much better to see some better lights going for that song.

He wore the three headed mask for Sweet Dreams, not sure if that's the first time I've seen him use that at a show I've been too, thought it was great anyway.

Coma White was really good, so pleased they performed that in the way they have been doing. Probably my favourite part of the show.

To compare last nights show with the very first TOE show, it's just gotten even better as it's developed over the shows.

Rob Zombie put on a good show too, was pleased they added Sick Bubblegum to their set list which was absent when I saw them in AZ.

The Meet and Greet was awesome, so pleased I stayed for that and we met back up with Tinuviel whilst in the queue. I took my Mechanical Animals original LP sleeve to be signed, I started talking to Manson and then he noticed a tie I designed for wearing to these shows. You've probably seen it already now in the meet and greet photos. As soon as he saw it he wanted the tie from me and said he would wear it every night, I told him he could have it and took it off and handed it to him which he then wore for the rest of the night. He said he wanted to fight me for it because he never thought of it lol.

I was going to get my MA vinyl signed to me, but with MM seeing the tie the conversation just totally changed to that, so he signed it AIDS with a shock logo S the same as my tie.
He then called me "Captain Aids" when it came to taking the photographs. So it was a really great experience, getting such a cool reaction out of MM was awesome. I enjoy the music he puts out, I enjoy the shows, interviews or whatever it might be, so for him to enjoy something I made even if it was just something simple, it was great!

Terrapin
12-04-2012, 06:05 PM
Full-size versions of these photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fishlogic/


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8199/8242155312_31335e8601_h.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8242155746_dcd31b52f9_h.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8347/8241086975_87a228a490_h.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8340/8241087355_7de011795d_h.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8242157830_811dc2b488_h.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8207/8241089173_ecbee967d4_h.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8059/8242158942_59cc881ef3_h.jpg

Norsefire
12-04-2012, 06:12 PM
wow, awesome photos! I love the big red double cross, such a great thing to see when that curtain drops.

Principiante
12-05-2012, 02:19 PM
Here's my video of Hey, Cruel World... audio didn't come out that great on it. Sounds ok, but it's nothing like being there. Be sure to select HD because the picture quality is quite good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsQFod-5P2w

You were really far away from the stage...

Anyway - I've posted briefly about it, but here goes (more of the same). It was a fucking great show. Whether it was because Manson likes Manchester, or the audience was closer to the stage, the place had the right amount of space/crowd, which helps when Manson is in good shape.

I met Heatherquick at the entrance of the show, which was great, but I lost her as soon as the doors opened...
In any case, this was probably the best of the 3shows of Manson in England (and this, despite the show in London being equally great), as his performance was just awesome.



Btw, I remember that situation of the phone. He was asking it to the guy almost next to me, but he was really insisting. Since the dude didn't send him the phone, he showed him the finger. He then went and managed to get another one from someone else later in the show, and he just threw it in the end to the crowd...

Btw, and this wasn't my imagination - Manson was telling plenty of times to the camera guy to record the audience/audience reaction to the show. I haven't noticed that guy really filming a lot of the audience, but Manson really seemed to want him to do it

Principiante
12-05-2012, 02:22 PM
The Meet and Greet was awesome, so pleased I stayed for that and we met back up with Tinuviel whilst in the queue. I took my Mechanical Animals original LP sleeve to be signed, I started talking to Manson and then he noticed a tie I designed for wearing to these shows. You've probably seen it already now in the meet and greet photos. As soon as he saw it he wanted the tie from me and said he would wear it every night, I told him he could have it and took it off and handed it to him which he then wore for the rest of the night. He said he wanted to fight me for it because he never thought of it lol.

I was going to get my MA vinyl signed to me, but with MM seeing the tie the conversation just totally changed to that, so he signed it AIDS with a shock logo S the same as my tie.
He then called me "Captain Aids" when it came to taking the photographs. So it was a really great experience, getting such a cool reaction out of MM was awesome. I enjoy the music he puts out, I enjoy the shows, interviews or whatever it might be, so for him to enjoy something I made even if it was just something simple, it was great!

OMG, that was totally awesome. So that was the tie used by him during PJ in Birmingham... Nice one ;)
(I now wish I had that idea before as well...)

Norsefire
12-24-2012, 11:02 PM
Full video of this show is now available in the Provider Module Theatre.

http://www.providermodule.com/marilyn_manson_news.php?fn_mode=fullnews&fn_id=503

http://www.providermodule.com/theatre/