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Hazekiah
09-05-2012, 07:06 AM
BE MORE CYNICAL
2000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifiqTlpJgsc

VICTORY BEGINS AT HOME
2003

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q52y41Mifro

I'M SWISS
2005

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYWfIblFEZ4

THE DECIDER
2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAkXElqzHIA

YAHOO! SPECIAL
2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Yek9-nBos

Terrapin
09-05-2012, 07:34 AM
And here's Bill Maher animated:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9jhGiIAFM

Seriously, I've never gotten the appeal of this guy. Could he be any more of an unmitigated liberal douche? Even Religulous was cringe-worthy.

Hazekiah
09-05-2012, 08:40 AM
^ I CALL 100%
BULLSHIT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIT1Ytzk_IE

Terrapin
09-05-2012, 09:01 AM
Bullshit on what exactly? Make a sensible claim for yourself. I'll assume you meant my choice of video, which yeah was supposed to be some random person from San Francisco. I felt it depicted Maher rather nicely.

There are plenty of topics I agree with Maher on, like your video above, but that doesn't change this man's overly-inflated ego over what he's actually accomplished in life. He's a douche. His extreme liberal views are just icing on the cake for me.

Saw this thread and had to chime in since Maher is just one of those celebrities that aggravate the fuck out of me. No intention to derail your topic further.

Hazekiah
09-05-2012, 09:27 AM
The context of your video-choice was understood.

And I ALSO called bullshit about Maher not being able to be more of an "unmitigated liberal douche" and Religulous being "cringe-worthy" -- unless you meant regarding his interview subjects, which I strongly doubt yet in which case emphatically agree.

Otherwise, it's all bullshit.

100%

You see, Maher makes a concerted effort to book as many opposing, right-wing panelists as possible AND to allow them time to express their viewpoints and to promote their projects. So obviously he COULD be more of an unmitigated liberal douche.

And we've already covered the degree to which Religulous WASN'T really cringe-worthy.

And your video-critique admittedly has nothing to do with the subject at hand beyond depicting an unrelated joke from people HE supports, and who most likely support HIM, while suggesting that MY post makes no sensible claim, ffs!

I LOL AT THEE, my good sir.

:-\

Terrapin
09-05-2012, 09:42 AM
He books these panelists to try and overshadow them with his pseudo-intellectual liberal viewpoints in an attempt to corral his followers behind his words even further. In turn, strengthening their liberal agenda. I don't see how that's any different than what I pointed out. Why not take a more center of the road approach? I can't respect anyone who is one-sided on every issue.

Him supporting Matt and Trey has nothing to do with why I picked that clip. The clip portrayed a smug liberal douche smelling his own farts, essentially our very own Bill Maher. There's really not much more to think about it beyond that.

And yes, Religulous is cringe-worthy. It would be a great film without Maher at the helm. As a simple example, I think back to that interview within with him and his mom and sister. It's atrocious. The only thing the movie has going for it is the last 5 minutes, but until then sitting through this film is a chore. Which is unfortunate because I really wanted a documentary like that to be decent.

These are merely opinions for why Maher just doesn't do it for me, but have your fun.

MisanthroPope
09-05-2012, 10:00 AM
I find Maher funny and he tends to echo plenty of my views but he certainly comes off as a smug asshole while doing so.

AssetReign
09-05-2012, 10:06 AM
This really is only tangentially connected to this topic, but I'm always surprised at the high percentage of conservatives in the Manson fan base. They have liberal attitudes towards their own lifestyles, but are rigidly politically conservative. It's one of those "hmm" things. Just an observation and, of course, just my opinion.

thatrussianman
09-05-2012, 06:41 PM
People who think Bill Maher is smug always come off to me as people who cannot face the truth of some things he says, so they attack his cadence. Bill Maher raises awareness of the extreme stupidity located in america, and regardless of his delivery, I'd say that's 1 point for Team Reality.

thatrussianman
09-05-2012, 06:42 PM
^ I CALL 100%
BULLSHIT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIT1Ytzk_IE




Yes.

Lydia
09-05-2012, 09:33 PM
Seriously, I've never gotten the appeal of this guy. Could he be any more of an unmitigated liberal douche? Even Religulous was cringe-worthy.
I don't like Bill Maher because he dumbs down America's national discourse just like Bill O'Reilly. Same douchebag, different "side".

Golden Eel
09-05-2012, 09:57 PM
I used to watch his show when I cared more about politics and I thought Religulous was entertaining enough (although, it stopped being as entertaining when I stopped being such a hardcore anti-theist douchebag.) I agree with plenty of things he says, but if you don't think dude is smug as all fuck, you're delusional.

AssetReign
09-05-2012, 10:10 PM
Telling people they're "delusional" because they don't agree with your opinion is also smug as all fuck.

Golden Eel
09-05-2012, 10:20 PM
Telling people they're "delusional" because they don't agree with your opinion is also smug as all fuck.

I don't think the fact that I'm smug was ever up for debate.

Mugwump
09-05-2012, 11:01 PM
He's almost as funny as Doug Stanhope.

-_-

Atom
09-06-2012, 06:03 AM
I liked the discussions on his show, liked Religulous (at first), but don't find his stand-up all that funny. He's way too arrogant for me to really enjoy though. After every single one of his little jabs he makes this face like, "Yeah, that got them!" and it makes me want to smack him.

He's also helped spread misinformation and bullshit regarding vaccines.


EDIT: Doug Stanhope is fucking hilarious... although I'm not sure what Doug Stanhope has to do with Bill Maher.

Mugwump
09-06-2012, 09:08 AM
Shut up, Atom. Jeez.

sayyosin
09-06-2012, 11:39 AM
We share a lot of the same views, but I think Terrapin's South Park video accurately describes how I view him as a person.

I enjoyed Religulous when it came out because of the subject matter, but looking back I can agree that it could have been much better.

kleiner352
09-06-2012, 12:26 PM
People who think Bill Maher is smug always come off to me as people who cannot face the truth of some things he says, so they attack his cadence. Bill Maher raises awareness of the extreme stupidity located in america, and regardless of his delivery, I'd say that's 1 point for Team Reality.

Now you see this is completely awful as far as arguments are considered. You don't point out how he isn't somehow smug, you just claim that those who think he is don't like the actual points he makes. I like a lot of points he's made, but I still think he's arrogant as all fuck and acts like he's really some voice of insight in the world when he tends to just say very general things and has a hardcore far-left agenda, and I'm sorry but it's just as bad as a hardcore far-right agenda, just in different ways. Insulting people doesn't really negate anything they say, it just devalues your points and the only people who will actually like what you have to say are those ignorant enough to find insults as a genuine response to a point you disagree with.

OT: I like some of his comedy but do find him really arrogant, I enjoy Religulious but agree it was not as good as it could have been. It went about things with a very aggressively smug attitude and he singled out extremists of the faiths he tackled, not really focusing on what is the actual norm for a lot of it and just had this "I'm right and you're all wrong because I think you're dumb" kind of air to him that was douchey as all get-out.

AssetReign
09-06-2012, 12:30 PM
Insulting people doesn't really negate anything they say, it just devalues your points and the only people who will actually like what you have to say are those ignorant enough to find insults as a genuine response to a point you disagree with..

I agree 100% with that philosophy. It's a shame people who profess to follow it don't always practice what they preach. :(

ThreeEyedGod
09-06-2012, 01:13 PM
He "sticks it" to conservatives and Republicans, so then all of the sudden he is sooo funny and correct to his followers.: simple.

Lydia
09-06-2012, 07:55 PM
He "sticks it" to conservatives and Republicans, so then all of the sudden he is sooo funny and correct to his followers.: simple.
Exactly. Hence my comment about dumbing down the national discourse. He's one of those people who has taught liberals that "Conservative = Crazy" when in fact extremism on either "side" is "crazy". We should spend less time choosing two sides of the same coin and more time looking at issues on an individual basis.

Bill Maher gives Obama a free pass on the same things he couldn't stand with G.W. Bush. When we spend so much time nonsensically siding with someone we believe speaks for us, we allow all kinds of atrocities to occur. Look at what the Germans sanctioned due to blindly following their charismatic leader in the 1930s. Today's economic climate is getting closer to that each day. I fear what happens when people blindly give Obama a free pass for his second term instead of being critical now, while they still have the chance.

Golden Eel
09-06-2012, 08:01 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Lydia
09-06-2012, 08:18 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
You guys are already sanctioning the indefinite detention of people who haven't been charged with an offense.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Martin Niemöller

AssetReign
09-06-2012, 08:27 PM
You guys are already sanctioning the indefinite detention of people who haven't been charged with an offense.


"You guys" who? We were having a conversation about Bill Maher and suddenly we're off to comparisons between Hitler and Obama??? Not only is it absurd, it's incredibly insulting.

Lydia
09-06-2012, 08:53 PM
"You guys" who? We were having a conversation about Bill Maher and suddenly we're off to comparisons between Hitler and Obama??? Not only is it absurd, it's incredibly insulting.

You guys = Americans.

I don't see how a comparison of mass behavior is insulting to anyone, except for people who engage in that behavior.

AssetReign
09-06-2012, 08:56 PM
You guys = Americans.

I don't see how a comparison of mass behavior is insulting to anyone, except for people who engage in that behavior.

Seriously? You just lumped all Americans together and threw Hitler in for good measure and you don't see how that is insulting?

Terrapin
09-06-2012, 09:07 PM
Godwin's Law never fails. Keep it on topic, guys.

filthytothecore
09-06-2012, 09:34 PM
One politician is better than the other if we're talking politcians now, One doesn't do shit and the other is a True leader.

As far as maher he seems to act like a hypocrite he slammed Bush but gives Obama a pass merely in a biased view.


You guys = Americans.

I don't see how a comparison of mass behavior is insulting to anyone, except for people who engage in that behavior.

Not all Amerikans are bad most of us don't give not a single fuck about the politicians, Why should we! They're all for the rich promising and not delivering has a way to piss people off.

Lydia
09-09-2012, 08:48 AM
Seriously? You just lumped all Americans together and threw Hitler in for good measure and you don't see how that is insulting?
I mean as a nation-state. I should have been clearer with how I wrote the comment as I know there are many Americans who disagree with the imperialist direction America is on.

It does, however, concern me that a lot of people who should be anti-war are giving Obama a free pass because they see the right vs. left distraction as a legitimate debate and they don't want to be on the republican "side".

AssetReign
09-09-2012, 10:01 AM
^ We were talking about Bill Maher. I'm sure there's already a "I hate Americans as a nation-state" thread around here somewhere.

Lydia
09-09-2012, 05:20 PM
^ We were talking about Bill Maher. I'm sure there's already a "I hate Americans as a nation-state" thread around here somewhere.
Yep, and I was talking about how Bill Maher dumbs down the national discourse with his extremist rhetoric.

AssetReign
09-09-2012, 05:33 PM
^ We can't all be Stephen Harper.

Divine
10-17-2012, 06:57 PM
This really is only tangentially connected to this topic, but I'm always surprised at the high percentage of conservatives in the Manson fan base. They have liberal attitudes towards their own lifestyles, but are rigidly politically conservative. It's one of those "hmm" things. Just an observation and, of course, just my opinion.

That surprises you?

In Obama's words isn't conservatism just "thinly veiled social Darwinism"?

Wouldn't that fall in line with the average Manson fan?

Divine
10-17-2012, 07:00 PM
Bill Maher is no more a dishonest propagandist than any other political commentator in America

At least Maher is funny

AssetReign
10-17-2012, 07:03 PM
That surprises you?

In Obama's words isn't conservatism just "thinly veiled social Darwinism"?

Wouldn't that fall in line with the average Manson fan?

That's what I said.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m688814eHn1rnbhyuo1_500.gif

Divine
10-17-2012, 07:08 PM
That's what I said.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m688814eHn1rnbhyuo1_500.gif



Well you said it surprises you

It seems pretty obvious why a portion of his fans lean to the right http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/void0-2.gif

but I wasn't looking to offend or be a know it all

It's just something I've thought about a lot as well

AssetReign
10-17-2012, 07:09 PM
^ There are few things I dislike more than arguing semantics.

Divine
10-17-2012, 07:14 PM
^ There are few things I dislike more than arguing semantics.

I would agree with you there.

Terrapin
10-17-2012, 08:43 PM
Bill Maher is no more a dishonest propagandist than any other political commentator in America

At least Maher is funny

You're half right. They all suck.

I'm still confused as to how conservatism of the fans was ever brought into this topic in the first place. It seems rather shoved here with no pretense to support it. I can certainly hate on Maher as the liberal douchebag he is without expressing even a modicum of conservative views. It was mentioned as "tangentially connected" but it really has nothing to do with anything. Here's the proper thread (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/3394-Are-you-left-or-right-Why).

AssetReign
10-17-2012, 08:49 PM
You're half right. They all suck.

I'm still confused as to how conservatism of the fans was ever brought into this topic in the first place. It seems rather shoved here with no pretense to support it. I can certainly hate on Maher as the liberal douchebag he is without expressing even a modicum of conservative views. It was mentioned as "tangentially connected" but it really has nothing to do with anything. Here's the proper thread (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/3394-Are-you-left-or-right-Why).

Are you kidding? It was a post I made almost 6 weeks ago and you're commenting on it now because a new member quoted it? LOL

Terrapin
10-17-2012, 08:54 PM
I didn't move anything, merely suggesting to keep that discussion there. The initial comment confused me all along, but was largely ignored at the time and saw no harm. Since it's been brought up again, I recommend keeping the topic in its appropriate place.

AssetReign
10-17-2012, 08:56 PM
^ I know you didn't move it, that's why I edited my post before you made yours. No worries.

Celebrity Killing Spree
10-17-2012, 10:19 PM
I watch his show most weeks. He is not as funny as he used to be. And his politics have certainly changed since his PI days. I preferred him when he was an admitted Libertarian. Now, I find myself disagreeing with him more and more these days.

He's far from an extremist though. That's just silly. Aside from his PETA shit, he's basically a left leaning moderate.

Hazekiah
11-08-2012, 02:34 AM
Great new format for Larry King where he has an excellent and relaxed conversation with Bill Maher about the recent debates and election, etc.

Anyone who's not so into his comedy or his shows would probably enjoy this a lot more:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=fCQmaY5H0YQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQOviXw5Ag&feature=relmfu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKMq-5uFy7o&feature=relmfu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5yyOj7bBx4&feature=relmfu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCsyczqm5sU&feature=relmfu

loftvoker
11-09-2012, 08:35 PM
It's 2012 and someone is still uploading in 240p. I'm not sure how that's even possible.

Hazekiah
11-17-2012, 04:20 AM
A
POLITICALLY
INCORRECT
DEATHBED TRIBUTE
TO
TIMOTHY LEARY
WITH
DAVID CROSS, ROBERT ANTON WILSON
MICHELLE PHILLIPS, AND BOB GUCCIONE, JR.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYzfSzYbmAE&feature=related

Hazekiah
04-08-2013, 07:34 PM
So Bill Maher's Executive Producer of HBO's new weekly program, "VICE."

I've always loved the awesome magazine that started it all and all their online documentaries have been simply amazing...so glad to see Bill take a vested interest in giving them a larger platform! His own HBO show, "Real Time with Bill Maher," is also the lead-in for his production of "VICE," so it's a pretty badass combo!

Here's a trailer for the first season of "VICE":




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jhYMlfuVNI


And just like "Real Time..." also has an online follow-up for each episode online ("Overtime with Bill Maher") this new show also has a follow-up called "The Morning After." Here's the fist episode of that:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXGbwn7CH3A

Hazekiah
09-12-2014, 06:35 PM
IT'S FINALLY HERE!!!
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10626509_10152387306857297_1537189080146281102_n.j pg?oh=3699031284c66be23b5cd3e4bb74ce0e&oe=548C3A03

w00t

gunz
09-12-2014, 08:40 PM
Oh shit, Can't wait to see what the hell he has up his sleeve this go around haha

Hazekiah
04-20-2015, 05:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y00AQ2ZI3MA

Lucille
04-20-2015, 08:34 PM
I was all for Bill Maher until he revealed himself to be completely ignorant in regards to vaccinations, and even though he claims he's not an anti-vaxxer, his viewpoint definitely suggests that he is. It was really disappointing for me and I lost a lot of respect for him as a result.

Hazekiah
01-21-2017, 04:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol3yU7x99-8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFjCkL9SnFA

Nemoris Inferioris
01-21-2017, 07:16 PM
I was all for Bill Maher until he revealed himself to be completely ignorant in regards to vaccinations, and even though he claims he's not an anti-vaxxer, his viewpoint definitely suggests that he is. It was really disappointing for me and I lost a lot of respect for him as a result.

I agree with him. Alot of those vaccinactions are unneeded, and hospitals bank on them. I haven't gotten my flu shots in Years. Years. I haven't gotten the flu since. I never even get sick.

Golden Eel
01-22-2017, 12:08 PM
I agree with him. Alot of those vaccinactions are unneeded, and hospitals bank on them. I haven't gotten my flu shots in Years. Years. I haven't gotten the flu since. I never even get sick.

You're a fucking idiot. So is Bill Maher. He's decent politically, but like Lucille said, he's an anti-vax anti-medicine new age liberal fucktard. You don't get to decide that 'all these vaccinations are unneeded.' The end. They are needed. That is why they exist. Nobody gives a fuck about you or your flu shots. Nobody cares that you haven't had the flu or been sick. That has no bearing on literally anything at all. Period. Please shut up and don't talk about vaccines ever again. The fucking idiocy of you types is killing people. And unfortunately the people dying aren't you ignorant fucks.

FeedYourHead
01-22-2017, 02:10 PM
I agree with him. Alot of those vaccinactions are unneeded, and hospitals bank on them. I haven't gotten my flu shots in Years. Years. I haven't gotten the flu since. I never even get sick.

Hi there. A flu vaccination is not the type of vaccination idiots refer to when they ramble on about "too many unnecessary shots." They're talking about all the vaccines you get as a baby and as a small child and then the subsequent booster shots to make sure the initial vaccines stay active and don't expire. Flu vaccines are generally not even advised for infants - WHICH, is why it's important for everyone else (healthy adults and older children) to get flu shots as to upkeep heard immunity and thus prevent babies from getting sick with the flu since they're too young to be vaccinated. Flu vaccine is a poor example though because it's not as important or even necessarily as effective as the other vaccination staples which are at the forefront of the "debate." I put "debate" in quotes because there have to be two sides of an issue for there to be an actual debate.
Take a look at the MMR vaccine though (measles, mumps, rubella) which every small child and person in general is required to receive. Why?
A) the obvious reason of preventing the person from becoming ill with measles, mumps, and/or rubella which are illnesses that cause permanent damage and from which you never really recover 100%.
B) Heard immunity. What is meant by that is, if you have enough of the entire population vaccinated then the illness starts to become obsolete and cases become extremely rare because there aren't enough susceptible individuals for it to infect (ie smallbox, ie yellow fever, ie spanish/pandemic (avian/swine) flu, ie measles & mumps before idiot twats in california endangered everyones' lives). This is good not only like we said for the vaccinated individuals who are protected from these illnesses, but because it protects everyone else in the population who for health reasons CANNOT receive the otherwise required vaccination. There's a good amount of vaccines that are contraindicated for certain subsets, particularly anyone who is chronically ill, has an autoimmune illness, is immunodeficient, or is too much of a neonate to qualify for the specific vaccine at that time. If healthy people don't get vaccinated, and they catch the mumps, they will probably eventually recover and move on with their lives with a bit of permanent damage but they'll live - however that healthy person with the mumps can now pass the disease on to everyone else in the population who also isn't vaccinated. That could include imbeciles like our hypothetical patient 0, but mostly it includes babies, the elderly, and the chronically ill. These population subsets cannot be immunized/protected from any of these illnesses that will 100% result in their death because their bodies can't handle the vaccination process nor fight off a mumps infection the way a normal person's could, so, by breaking heard immunity, you are in fact literally killing people and opening up the possibility for complete decimation of a cohort. While also enjoying the grand experience of an illness severe enough to put you in the hospital for a few days. Seems pretty lose/lose to me. But that's just because I don't enjoy killing other people or myself.

As for the "too many chemicals" nonsense, there are less chemicals in vaccines than there are in antibiotics which babies take sometimes in excess. There are more chemicals in frozen pizza than there are in vaccines. You are made of more chemicals than vaccines. Vaccines do not cause autism or any other developmental illness. If anything they help prevent developmental illnesses because if a small child contracts such a serious disease they are likely to be developmentally affected to some degree. Additionally many of the newer vaccines such as Varicella (chickenpox vaccine) offer additional health benefits throughout life. If you get the chickenpox naturally then you're immune from the chickenpox however you become HIGHLY likely to develop shingles later in life. But if you get the varicella vaccine, avoid the chickenpox virus altogether, you never have to worry about shingles a day in your life.

Nemoris Inferioris
01-22-2017, 09:50 PM
You're a fucking idiot. So is Bill Maher. He's decent politically, but like Lucille said, he's an anti-vax anti-medicine new age liberal fucktard. You don't get to decide that 'all these vaccinations are unneeded.' The end. They are needed. That is why they exist. Nobody gives a fuck about you or your flu shots. Nobody cares that you haven't had the flu or been sick. That has no bearing on literally anything at all. Period. Please shut up and don't talk about vaccines ever again. The fucking idiocy of you types is killing people. And unfortunately the people dying aren't you ignorant fucks.

Boy oh boy oh boy aren't you a sweet person to be around, or just a bitter, miserable fuck. But I've already said that once before. You made no point, nor counter arguement as to why I was wrong. All you are doing is condescending and patronizing me.

A Flu Shot is to prevent catching the flu, correct? Why haven't I gotten the flu without the need of any shots? I do believe vaccines for a type of disease that may be spreading, that might be highly contagious, is needed. But for, let's say, a vaccination for Hepatitis, to prevent catching Hepatitis, is to make you immune from it? I doubt it. Most vaccines are proclaimed "Required" for people, because guess who gets paid everytime someone takes their kid to get a flu shot? Hospitals, Doctors, and even insurance companies. I look at it the same way as I look at Chemotherapy. It's a scam. Chemotherapy is worse than Cancer itself, flooding your body of heavy chemicals, and even adding Radiation Therapy, which basically fries your body, causing hair loss, skin damage, and major pain. I hope you get all your required shots, because I sure as hell hope you don't get sick, and die.


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FeedYourHead
01-22-2017, 10:51 PM
You made no point, nor counter arguement as to why I was wrong. But I did. And you ignored it entirely.


A Flu Shot is to prevent catching the flu, correct? Why haven't I gotten the flu without the need of any shots?
For the exact same reason that not everyone who is unvaccinated for any illness doesn't always catch said illness. Not getting vaccinated does not guarantee you will come in contact with and contract the pathogen, but getting vaccinated DOES guarantee that you WON'T contract said pathogen. It also prevents you from becoming an asymptomatic carrier which is a huge deal (ahem typhoid mary again). Seasonal flu (different from pandemic flu) does not actually spread as rapidly as things like MMR or smallpox or typhoid AND seasonal flu is very rarely ever fatal or responsible for permanent complications. The other thing about seasonal flu vaccines is that they don't work 100% of the time because r&d have to essentially guess and try to predict what variation of seasonal flu will be prevalent in the upcoming flu season. They don't always get it right. So you also will have instances of people who did get the flu shot but then also very rarely still got the flu anyway. The point of the flu vaccine in general is less to prevent yourself from getting the flu, and more so to try and eradicate it as much as possible so that people (babies, chronically ill, immunocompromised, elderly) don't have such a high chance of contracting it - because if THEY do, then it really could be fatal and cause longterm damage unlike in healthy people. It's weird to me that you keep using the flu vaccine as an example for your argument though because it's the ONLY one of its nature and is really up to the the same caliber in terms of efficacy and necessity as all the others. If you notice, flu vaccines are not legally mandated unlike the rest of the vaccines. There are good reasons for that.


I do believe vaccines for a type of disease that may be spreading, that might be highly contagious, is needed. So, every single one of them except seasonal flu shot.


But for, let's say, a vaccination for Hepatitis, to prevent catching Hepatitis, is to make you immune from it? I doubt it. Yeah, actually, it is. That is the exact definition of a vaccine. To make you immune to an illness and prevent its contraction. I got the hep C vaccination when I was a baby and recently had some standard bloodwork done; it came back questionably and indicated a positive titer for hep C. I would have completely freaked out 100% thinking I have hepatitis C if I didn't know I had already been vaccinated and therefore this physically was not possible. They re-tested me a bunch of times and confirmed the first one was a false positive. Score 1 for vaccination.


Most vaccines are proclaimed "Required" for people, because guess who gets paid everytime someone takes their kid to get a flu shot? Hospitals, Doctors, and even insurance companies.
Flu shots are never required. Ever. And the others are required not only for the health and safety of your own child but for the health and safety of everyone else's children. It's not just you and your kid that you're putting at risk, it's EVERYBODY in the entire population.


I look at it the same way as I look at Chemotherapy. It's a scam.
Oh. Okay. So there's exactly a 0% chance of having a rational conversation about this with you. Never mind I suppose.


Chemotherapy is worse than Cancer itself, flooding your body of heavy chemicals, and even adding Radiation Therapy, which basically fries your body, causing hair loss, skin damage, and major pain. I hope you get all your required shots, because I sure as hell hope you don't get sick, and die.
Losing your hair and becoming weak and nauseous because modern medicine is attacking the cells in your body that are literally about to kill you seems like a small price to pay. Your hair grows back. Your health comes back. You don't come back from death. Also I dont think you have any understanding of how exactly chemotherapy works. I would suggest looking into that before deciding that the most positively influential medical advancement of the century is a "scam."

Nemoris Inferioris
01-22-2017, 11:33 PM
I wasn't referring to you when I talked about not proving a point, i quoted Mr. TEE. And there are plenty of NATURAL ways to cure cancer, such as Hemp Oils and such. I would think that a chemical injected into the body that causes hair loss and pain would be considered unhealthy to take. We get cancer every day, by everything. Your microwave, Diet Coke, Aspartame (Used as a substitute for Sugar), Arsenic, Polluted airs, Infrared Light, Ultra-Violet light, etc. Just we have antibodies that destroy it before it becomes critical, and some people don't have those antibodies, and it does become critical. Your false test for Hepatitis C is a good example of a faulty system, one test like that could change everything, only to see the computer fucked up. Seeing people go into readmission, and many other things, like in John Q, make me distrust Hospitals in general. But if you can convince me otherwise, please do so.

Enname
01-23-2017, 12:14 AM
I wasn't referring to you when I talked about not proving a point, i quoted Mr. TEE. And there are plenty of NATURAL ways to cure cancer, such as Hemp Oils and such. I would think that a chemical injected into the body that causes hair loss and pain would be considered unhealthy to take. We get cancer every day, by everything. Your microwave, Diet Coke, Aspartame (Used as a substitute for Sugar), Arsenic, Polluted airs, Infrared Light, Ultra-Violet light, etc. Just we have antibodies that destroy it before it becomes critical, and some people don't have those antibodies, and it does become critical. Your false test for Hepatitis C is a good example of a faulty system, one test like that could change everything, only to see the computer fucked up. Seeing people go into readmission, and many other things, like in John Q, make me distrust Hospitals in general. But if you can convince me otherwise, please do so.


Cancer is a bunch of cells under going rapid, extreme and unstoppable replication. It happens thousands of times a day in your body and is only a problem when they slip past the immune system - none of which has to do with whther or not you have the right antibodies. They are YOUR cells. You dont want antibodies for those. Care to explain precisely how it is that hemp oil stops what is essentially a natural (if undesirable) process? Do you open up your pancreas and give the tiny, almost invisible cells a good rub? Perhaps insert a catheter of it into breast tissue? Coffee enema? Maybe try burning it out with pitch. Maybe some leeches or a bit of brain pan drilling while we are at it?

The point of chemotherapy is not hair loss or pain, but to destroy the cells and stop them replicating, shrink tumours and perhaps make surgery viable. It is clumsy and violent and an indication of precisely how aggressive and hard to treat tumours are. Not of medicines' failure. BUT it also acts as pallaitive care (yes cancer can put you in more pain than even chemo! Shock). Or be used to make those who have autoimmune diseases live tolerable, active and semi pain free lives. Not to mention a wide range of other uses.

And personally, if I were to find myself with cancer then hell yes - bring me some medical treatment. I'll take the chance of some extra life and palliation over dying screaming untreated any day.

FeedYourHead
01-23-2017, 12:30 AM
I wasn't referring to you when I talked about not proving a point, i quoted Mr. TEE. And there are plenty of NATURAL ways to cure cancer, such as Hemp Oils and such. I would think that a chemical injected into the body that causes hair loss and pain would be considered unhealthy to take. We get cancer every day, by everything. Your microwave, Diet Coke, Aspartame (Used as a substitute for Sugar), Arsenic, Polluted airs, Infrared Light, Ultra-Violet light, etc. Just we have antibodies that destroy it before it becomes critical, and some people don't have those antibodies, and it does become critical. Your false test for Hepatitis C is a good example of a faulty system, one test like that could change everything, only to see the computer fucked up. Seeing people go into readmission, and many other things, like in John Q, make me distrust Hospitals in general. But if you can convince me otherwise, please do so.

Like, none of that is true.

1. I know you were referring to MMT, which is why I interjected because you were carrying on about him not having made a constructive point whereas I had just made like 50 and that apparently wasn't good enough for you to even acknowledge.

2. If hemp oil cured cancer then nobody would ever get cancer. It helps immensely but is by no means a cure.

3. Chemo IS unhealthy to take. That is literally the entire point of taking it. You're injecting something that is poisonous enough to KILL LIVE CANCER CELLS in your body. The actual literal intent is to harm parts of yourself for the greater good of the organism.

4. Nobody is missing any antibodies that fight cancerous cells. As the immune system ages and cells start to make genetic errors, the immune system's ability to detect and destroy unchecked cell division suffers immensely. Cancer is not a pathogen and it's not anything that you "catch." The sources you described such as microwaves and pollutants fuck with the cells' genetic instructions (oxidative stress and etc) therefore the cells' intended programmed apoptosis never occurs and they just keep replicating and replicating until it becomes a giant mass putting pressure on other organs and fucking all kinds of shit up. In order to remove this rogue conglomerate of forever-replicating cells that is killing the entire organism and all surrounding organs, you need to kill those "bad" cells, and you do it with poison because that's how you kill biological things, and that poison is chemo, and that chemo is the least damaging type of applicable poison for this job. The reason the risk for cancer skyrockets as you get older is both because the immune system becomes less stringent and capable with age (factor #1) and the collective damage from the environment like radiation and etc continue to build up and become more and more likely amplify the process of oxidative stress which reeks havoc on everything that the cell is supposed to be doing, one of which is not replicating into infinity and becoming cancer (factor #2).

5. Hospitals have nothing to do with the labs that perform these tests. Companies like Quest Diagnostics. Hospitals and doctors send out specimens to these labs and then the labs send the reports back to the hospital/doctors. Nobody is like, conspiring together. The rare false positive doesn't really indicate to me a faulty system as a whole. iPhones and laptops shit the bed all the time and develop some new random problem every day that tech support has no idea how to fix other than to replace the device entirely, and I don't think I would call the technology industry a faulty system any more or less than I would the medical industry. This is all new 21st century stuff, we've got a ways to go (ahem superbugs). There is nothing I can say that would make you trust hospitals or pharma or anything healthcare-reated, because I don't trust it either - but for the exact opposite reason. I don't trust it because it ignores too many opportunities to research and implement and USE actual science and technology, and instead everyone just stands there shuffling their administrative feet being like sorry the FDA said we can't do that so lets give this person sub-standard care and not make them healthier or more comfortable because government regulations and money that we cannot override without giant lawsuits and losing our medical licenses. SO MUCH MORE could have been done by now, so many illnesses obsolete, but no. Because everyone is a goddamn pussy and makes up problems in their heads that don't actually exist (like vaccines causing autism) and makes everything into a moral dilemma when there is no goddamn moral dilemma about saving a person's life and improving their health if they consent.

Nemoris Inferioris
01-23-2017, 12:16 PM
Thank you for telling me what I already knew. Yes, Radiation treatment does destroy the cancerous cells, but is also extremely damaging to the other, non cancerous cells. Hemp has been used for hundreds of years, by Natives and the Chinese, as a natural healing agent. Why isn't it distributed throughout all hospitals to cure cancer? Easy question. Do you know how much Chemotherapy is? Well, it's quite damn expensive, especially for some to only buy a few more months living what miserable and painful life they have left. The hospitals make SO much money off of Cancer, which is why they will Not distribute a cure, The Cure. Hemp isn't the only way to cure it, either. Now, Hospitals, particularly ones that specialise in Chemotherapy, Do, in fact, distribute a cure in very, I mean, Very, small doses. So you'll see progress, but will keep coming back for more treatment = More $$$. This isn't a theory, it's the truth.

Yes, Vaccines do not cause Autism.

Yes, I know how cancer works.

What I'm saying is that Cancer is basically a Cash Crop. You get high ratings because of a shooting, you get a lot of money coming in because of cancer.

Hazekiah
01-23-2017, 12:50 PM
OMFG, why does practically EVERY thread I quasi-moderate have to degenerate into "The Ethics of Having the Flu," lol.

;) ;) ;)

But srsly. We're getting a little off-topic here. Which is fine! But maybe bring it home a bit.

TL;DR: Nemoris, you are hopelessly outgunned here. FYH especially has already enumerated and detailed the many points at your posts are failing, so it's maybe best to just leave it as is for now. Or maybe start another thread? Or possibly keep it here but with more concision and less derailment. I genuinely don't care, just remember to mention the subject of the thread occasionally, ffs.

Idk and honestly don't really care beyond that. Start a Private Message war for all I care but OMFG we're not even really CLOSE to talking about Bill Maher in here anymore as it stands right now.

Which reminds me! Oh, yeah...BILL MAHER!

I'm glad someone mentioned him.

Obviously, he was a little screwy about the anti-vaxxer thing when it was in its infancy, but I can't even think of any time he's mentioned it in recent years, and he generally seems to keep an open mind while remaining adaptable to new information...so I'm hesitant to crucify the guy without any comment from him on the matter that's even CLOSE to up-to-date. Is there one out there somewhere? I can't think of any that aren't at least a few years old. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, I honestly don't know.

For the most part, this whole fracas seems like the sort of thing that happens to ANYONE over the course of a lifelong career discussing politically incorrect subjects before the public eye on a weekly basis. Sending the guy to the gallows because he hasn't nailed EVERY SINGLE SUBJECT with inarguable perfection and unassailable rectitude seems like the wrong approach to take with an intellectual provocateur/devil's advocate/the-only-guy-with-the-balls-to-dedicate-his-life-to-this-shit-for-your-entertainment and, one can only hope, occasional enlightenment.

Similarly, dismissing him as a "new age" or "anti-medicine" seems incredibly silly and shortsighted. The guy behind Religulous is about as ANTI-New Age as it gets, and all I can think of off the top of my head that you could POSSIBLY be drawing from to make such an accusation is his history of espousing the virtues of keeping an open mind towards alternative treatments in the face of suppressed/nonexistent studies and his touchy-feely potheadedness or maybe even his membership with PETA. All of which falls short of that metric by a WIDE margin.

Anyway, I love the guy and can't wait to see him live so I can post the footage someday. And he's back with a new intro, new set, new remix of his old theme music, and a new four-year itch, lol.

Discuss!

:)

Enname
01-23-2017, 03:07 PM
Obviously, he was a little screwy about the anti-vaxxer thing when it was in its infancy, but I can't even think of any time he's mentioned it in recent years, and he generally seems to keep an open mind while remaining adaptable to new information...so I'm hesitant to crucify the guy without any comment from him on the matter that's even CLOSE to up-to-date. Is there one out there somewhere? I can't think of any that aren't at least a few years old. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, I honestly don't know.

:)

While being 'screwy' around vaccines doesn't necessarily undermine his whole show outside of anything has to say at all on medicine, it does make me very wary of him. And there is being open minded and then promulgating some very dangerous messages that put people at risk.

This is from 2015 (and it came up again in the middle of that year) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7yvI0tu3Ho. I doubt he has significantly changed his position since then, given that a year later he is still saying in an interview that he thinks vaccines work, but that we don't need them (ironically because vaccines worked...). And beyond vaccines there is this, where he interviews Samir Chachoua and apparently seems to agree with him rejecting antivirals and actual methods of treating HIV in favour of... some sort of mad shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31eJZKFO2NQ. That is almost Dr Oz sort of fuckery.

Golden Eel
01-23-2017, 04:28 PM
Boy oh boy oh boy aren't you a sweet person to be around, or just a bitter, miserable fuck. But I've already said that once before. You made no point, nor counter arguement as to why I was wrong. All you are doing is condescending and patronizing me.

A Flu Shot is to prevent catching the flu, correct? Why haven't I gotten the flu without the need of any shots? I do believe vaccines for a type of disease that may be spreading, that might be highly contagious, is needed. But for, let's say, a vaccination for Hepatitis, to prevent catching Hepatitis, is to make you immune from it? I doubt it. Most vaccines are proclaimed "Required" for people, because guess who gets paid everytime someone takes their kid to get a flu shot? Hospitals, Doctors, and even insurance companies. I look at it the same way as I look at Chemotherapy. It's a scam. Chemotherapy is worse than Cancer itself, flooding your body of heavy chemicals, and even adding Radiation Therapy, which basically fries your body, causing hair loss, skin damage, and major pain. I hope you get all your required shots, because I sure as hell hope you don't get sick, and die.


http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nktbposter5.jpg

You're fucking stupid. I'm not here to have an argument, I'm here to call you a fucking idiot.

There is no argument. Vaccines work. There are no downsides. Chemotherapy works. Alternative medicine does not work. Period. No exceptions. That's it, there is no ambiguity. There is no room for debate. I am right and you are wrong and that's it. I will gladly repeat this to you, but I get the feeling it won't be incredibly effective in making you not be fucking retarded.

I hope you get cancer and try to take some fucking hemp oil to cure it. Guess what? You'll die. And that would be ideal, because the more anti-medicine dumb fuck hippie retards to die, the less dangerous idiocy we will have surrounding medical science.


Obviously, he was a little screwy about the anti-vaxxer thing when it was in its infancy, but I can't even think of any time he's mentioned it in recent years, and he generally seems to keep an open mind while remaining adaptable to new information...so I'm hesitant to crucify the guy without any comment from him on the matter that's even CLOSE to up-to-date. Is there one out there somewhere? I can't think of any that aren't at least a few years old. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, I honestly don't know.

For the most part, this whole fracas seems like the sort of thing that happens to ANYONE over the course of a lifelong career discussing politically incorrect subjects before the public eye on a weekly basis. Sending the guy to the gallows because he hasn't nailed EVERY SINGLE SUBJECT with inarguable perfection and unassailable rectitude seems like the wrong approach to take with an intellectual provocateur/devil's advocate/the-only-guy-with-the-balls-to-dedicate-his-life-to-this-shit-for-your-entertainment and, one can only hope, occasional enlightenment.

Similarly, dismissing him as a "new age" or "anti-medicine" seems incredibly silly and shortsighted. The guy behind Religulous is about as ANTI-New Age as it gets, and all I can think of off the top of my head that you could POSSIBLY be drawing from to make such an accusation is his history of espousing the virtues of keeping an open mind towards alternative treatments in the face of suppressed/nonexistent studies and his touchy-feely potheadedness or maybe even his membership with PETA. All of which falls short of that metric by a WIDE margin.

When a thread is started with the intent of discussing a celebrity, then it is decidedly not off-topic to discuss the beliefs this person holds.

It doesn't matter if he hasn't actively spoken about the subject in the last year or two. Unless he comes out and actively declares that he was wrong and completely denounces those views, then he is still fully open to public shaming. He is a celebrity with a huge audience. Therefore when he says these things, he is directly responsible for the deaths caused by this ignorance. He has blood on his hands. "He hasn't said anything about it very recently" isn't good enough.

And for what it's worth, less than a year ago he had a guy on his show (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/when-antivaccine-pseudoscience-isnt-enough-bill-maher-embraces-goat-milk-hiv-quackery/) who kills people with cancer by convincing them to practice alternative treatment, instead of legitimate medical care. In addition, in 2015, Maher had anti-vaxx conspiracy theorist nutjob Robert F. Kennedy Jr (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/five-years-on-bill-maher-is-still-an-antivaccine-crank-and-proves-it-yet-again/) on his show. Feel free to read both of those links for plenty of elaboration on why Maher's behavior is a problem.

So not only is Maher spreading this idiocy himself, he is giving a national soapbox for fucking murderous conmen monsters by allowing them on his show. It doesn't matter how much I agree with him politically, this behavior is absolutely inexcusable.

This isn't comparable to being wrong on any random subject during the span of a long career. Discussing medical care publicly to an audience that looks up to you and believes what you have to say is basically the most sensitive thing imaginable. It's a pretty fucking important thing to be wrong about, and being wrong about this outweighs being right about plenty of other things.

"Keeping an open mind towards alternative medicine" is objectively fucking stupid and it's outrageously dangerous, especially in the case of an outspoken celebrity. These aren't topics which deserve an open mind or equal consideration. These are topics to which the only response is mockery and shaming. When a medical treatment is proven effective, then we can admit as much. But until then, the people who give credence to this shit are goddamn morons.

FuckmanQ
01-23-2017, 06:32 PM
Even though I am no where near at agreeing with you on political matters I definitely agree with you on this.

YoureAlreadyHere
01-25-2017, 03:25 PM
I'm sorry, Haz, to further derail your Bill Maher squee, but...

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq#link/_13 :
Antitumor activity
* Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumor growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumors to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells.
* A study in mice showed that cannabinoids may protect against inflammation of the colon and may have potential in reducing the risk of colon cancer, and possibly in its treatment.
* A laboratory study of delta-9-THC in hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) cells showed that it damaged or killed the cancer cells. The same study of delta-9-THC in mouse models of liver cancer showed that it had antitumoreffects. Delta-9-THC has been shown to cause these effects by acting on molecules that may also be found in non-small cell lung cancer cells and breast cancer cells.
* A laboratory study of cannabidiol (CBD) in estrogen receptor positive and estrogen receptor negative breast cancer cells showed that it caused cancer cell death while having little effect on normal breast cells. Studies in mouse models of metastatic breast cancer showed that cannabinoids may lessen the growth, number, and spread of tumors.
* A laboratory study of cannabidiol (CBD) in human glioma cells showed that when given along with chemotherapy, CBD may make chemotherapy more effective and increase cancer cell death without harming normal cells. Studies in mouse models of cancer showed that CBD together with delta-9-THC may make chemotherapy such as temozolomide more effective.

autophagy http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/279571.php using breast cancer on mice

primes glioma (brain tumor) patient for irradiation http://www.medicaldaily.com/cannabis-shrinks-brain-tumors-associated-highly-aggressive-form-cancer-310720

https://www.hellomd.com/health-wellness/marijuana-found-to-shrink-aggressive-brain-cancer

I very much look forward to further studies on CBDs and cancer and all other positive boasts CBDs have to offer. I think what Nem failed to address is the conglomerate Big Pharma and their cash cow in opioids as pain killers when in the face of the all natural medicinal Marijuana- far less likely to be addictive (not to say that it isn't overall)- Nem, you chose the wrong battle, overall. But I feel you on the cashing in- BigPharma's hands are submerged in psychological settings, and more so empower the scripts by having physical drs prescribing opioids, causing addictions=problems/mental states=pills pills pills pills ... but chemo?

On vaccines, I'm under the impression that they wear off over time, thus revaccination is suggested, but unsure on what exact vaccinations... I'm not against vaccinations, they've proven successful. I am, however, against flu vaccines. Really, I'm a coward and have needle phobia... I would never not have my daughter vaccinated. & I resent those that deny their children such protection

FeedYourHead
01-25-2017, 06:02 PM
I'm sorry, Haz, to further derail your Bill Maher squee, but...

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq#link/_13 :

I very much look forward to further studies on CBDs and cancer and all other positive boasts CBDs have to offer. I think what Nem failed to address is the conglomerate Big Pharma and their cash cow in opioids as pain killers when in the face of the all natural medicinal Marijuana- far less likely to be addictive (not to say that it isn't overall)- Nem, you chose the wrong battle, overall. But I feel you on the cashing in- BigPharma's hands are submerged in psychological settings, and more so empower the scripts by having physical drs prescribing opioids, causing addictions=problems/mental states=pills pills pills pills ... but chemo?

On vaccines, I'm under the impression that they wear off over time, thus revaccination is suggested, but unsure on what exact vaccinations... I'm not against vaccinations, they've proven successful. I am, however, against flu vaccines. Really, I'm a coward and have needle phobia... I would never not have my daughter vaccinated. & I resent those that deny their children such protection

I'm totally with you on the CBD inhibiting tumor growth, and we've known for a while that cannabinoids reduce inflammation as a whole, and inflammation is a predisposing factor to tumor growth. 100%. The problem with saying that CBD/hemp "curses cancer" is that it is incredibly misleading at current; the research like you pointed out is in its earlier stages (delayed by government and greed /rage) and correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't believe we've had success in actually eradicating a tumor using just cannabinoids yet. I think the most success in trials has been with prevention and inhibition, not eradication. Am I wrong? Oncology isn't my field so tell me if I've missed something huge.

Some vaccines wear off and will require a booster shot years later, but some last for a lifetime and don't need to be bothered with again.

Big pharma... like you said lol, is an entirely separate issue from the one Nem was initiating discussion of. I think that if we want to get into everything that is wrong with big pharma (so basically every single thing about big pharma) we should start another thread to bitch about it in lol.


Edit: Here is a photo of Bill Maher so now this post is totally on topic.
http://i.imgur.com/6Ucz7bt.jpg

Hazekiah
01-26-2017, 02:09 AM
^ Well played, lol.

But, like I said, I'm ALL for political discussion in here! By all means, carry on. Particularly as it pertains to anything Bill Maher's had to say.

Honestly, I was just trying to maybe rein things in a bit closer to the subject and away from wishing fellow board members and fans DEATH, ffs. I mean, don't get me wrong, I've perhaps snapped back at people with vitriol a few times myself, so while I understand the impulse I'd still hate to see a valued member banned over something like that, surly af though they may be. Not that I have any experience in the matter or anything...

>_>

Anyway, yes, I saw the episode with Charlie Sheen's doctor, too. I also thought the guy sounded like a quack. But apparently he DID inject himself with Sheen's blood to prove a point and that's basically why Maher had him on the show. It was news. And he goes out of his way to have dissenting/opposing views on his show and while some may perceive that as tacit endorsement he's generally just trying to make sure his platform doesn't turn into an echo chamber. That's a FAR CRY from "Dr. Oz"-style quackery. Sure, I'd love to see a follow-up but I think the fact that OMG WE'VE CURED H.I.V./A.I.D.S. hasn't been in the headlines lately and his crack about "Well, then YOU fuck Charlie Sheen" in the latest episode I linked to above pretty much settles the issue for now anyway, lol. And until its something that pops-up in recent headlines it's not really salient to the point of his show to address it again.

And I think what YoureAlreadyHere posted above goes a long way towards establishing why Bill Maher keeps an open mind about alternative medicine. He's spent his whole life hearing weed be demonized when it turns out to actually have significant medical benefits which have been suppressed for decades by belligerent attitudes towards the very idea that it might be of use. How many people have had their lives ruined by that?

I'd imagine it's more than those who take medical advice from a comedian on late night cable TV.

YoureAlreadyHere
01-26-2017, 10:32 AM
I'm totally with you on the CBD inhibiting tumor growth, and we've known for a while that cannabinoids reduce inflammation as a whole, and inflammation is a predisposing factor to tumor growth. 100%. The problem with saying that CBD/hemp "curses cancer" is that it is incredibly misleading at current; the research like you pointed out is in its earlier stages (delayed by government and greed /rage) and correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't believe we've had success in actually eradicating a tumor using just cannabinoids yet. I think the most success in trials has been with prevention and inhibition, not eradication. Am I wrong? Oncology isn't my field so tell me if I've missed something huge.

http://theroc.us/images/Targeting%20CB2-GPR55%20Receptor%20Heteromers%20Modulates%20Cancer %20Cell%20Signaling.pdf :
Subcutaneous tumors were
generated by injection of T98G cells into athymic male mice.
Tumors increased their growth slightly in response to a low
THC dose (although no statistical differences were observed),
whereas a higher THC dose produced the opposite effect, i.e. a
significant reduction in tumor growth (Fig. 8C). According to
our hypothesis, the low-dose effect would be produced mainly
via activation of CB2R and the high-dose effect via cross-antagonism
of CB2R upon targeting of GPR55. The direct antagonism
of GPR55, a receptor that has been shown previously to
drive tumorigenesis (12–14), by THC may contribute to this
strong antitumoral response. Supporting the idea that GPR55
behaves as a tumor growth brake when targeted by high doses
of THC, we observed that GPR55-silenced tumors increased
their growth when exposed to THC (Fig. 8C). The differential
effects of THC on tumor growth occurred in concert with differential
changes in the levels of activated ERK-1/2, i.e. a reduction
when CB2R and GPR55 were coexpressed and an enhancement
when GPR55 was silenced (Fig. 8, D and E). These results
support our hypothesis and suggest that the well established
cannabinoid target CB2R, as well as GPR55, coparticipate, in
part via direct receptor-receptor interaction, in the control of
tumor growth in response to THC.

GPR55 still being studied and theorized (study proven) cannabinoid receptor, but is still too young to really say (requires more supplemental studies)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9290

Truth is, cannabis has healing effects in that it can brake tumor growth as shown in study- studies do not show COMPLETE eradication; unfortunately it is still in its infancy (obviously =P ) as far as truly understanding the biphasic signaling. Being able to control the tumor growth is significant, however. and a step in the right direction.

Maybe nem shouldve spoken about exotic fruit. ^.^/

Oh, and, Bill Maher.
NEW RULES

Shangri-LIE
01-26-2017, 07:26 PM
I got my FUCKING flu shot last month!

Hazekiah
01-30-2017, 05:19 AM
I've actually been thinking about getting a flu shot next season for the first time since I was a small child.

My mom's on Humira for her rheumatoid arthritis and my cousin was in a bad car wreck a year ago and had her spleen taken out, so both of them are autoimmune-compromised and it just seems like the thing to do considering I mostly see them during flu season. Luckily, I didn't have to bother with it this past Christmas but if I'll be around for next year's then I'll probably do it for them. Last month I was mildly sick and lost my voice for a few days and just decided not to go to the big family get-together since they were both there and because my aunt had a show coming up with the Illinois Symphony Orchestra and the last thing I wanted to do was kill my mom and cousin while crippling the woodwind section, lol.

Mostly, we just avoid each other and use lots of hand-wipes and sanitizers and that's worked out fine so far!

Anyway, Bill fucking NAILED IT with his opening monologue and New Rules last Friday:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQwkVgl6eHw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC1-U8LIY0

Nemoris Inferioris
01-30-2017, 06:48 AM
I got my FUCKING flu shot last month!

We are all happy for you. Stay safe.

Golden Eel
01-30-2017, 07:25 PM
I got my FUCKING flu shot last month!

Explains the autism.

Shangri-LIE
01-31-2017, 02:22 AM
Explains the autism.Okay

Enname
02-01-2017, 01:03 AM
I've actually been thinking about getting a flu shot next season for the first time since I was a small child.

My mom's on Humira for her rheumatoid arthritis and my cousin was in a bad car wreck a year ago and had her spleen taken out, so both of them are autoimmune-compromised and it just seems like the thing to do considering I mostly see them during flu season.


It is wise around those who are immuno suppressed.

(Biologics are brutal, but effective.)

Hazekiah
02-05-2017, 12:11 AM
Finally saw the new episode!

The show itself was great but I think this particular episode REALLY hit its stride in the online-only "Overtime" segment. I honestly half-expected the whole episode to descend to the level of an angry shouting match and/or a pile-on with one or more guests just completely embarrassing themselves, yet I was very genuinely surprised to find everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE, actually acquitting themselves well and maintaining a respectful, measured discourse throughout.

Especially considering the general diversity of the participants it was pretty refreshing to witness.

Absolutely worth watching:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GtHoQ7Sw0c

Hazekiah
02-12-2017, 12:12 AM
^ Fixed embed-fail.

Also, the new episode was great! Jim Jeffries joined the panel to tell Piers Morgan to FUCK OFF and flip him the bird and that ALONE was worth the price of admission, lol.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtDOqNlgoOE

And, as ever, the opening monologue and New Rules segments were fucking CLASSIC:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqxOZvgTLXE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNqXaeHXIQE

Annnnd, Bill was ALSO a guest on "The Messy Truth" for the entire episode this past week and did a great job. Always great to see the tables turned with HIM as the guest for almost a full hour instead of the other way around!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqszZR4smEg&t=223s

Hazekiah
02-19-2017, 03:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7OH3ae7Wtg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImHh7fqrQo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvPtWAymGU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFWv42U1l4A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDLflyQ8TA

The Overman
02-19-2017, 01:58 PM
Both Maher and Milo are useless trolls - one liberal, the other a quasifascist lumpenintellectual, but both united in the conviction that the only legitimate form of political dialogue is that of the conspiracy theory and the hyperactive monologue. Neither of them actually knows what the fuck they're going on about; both are basically the real-world equivalent of Shangri-Lie. They are mirror images of each other, each the mouthpiece of a certain segment of the borgeoisie.

But it's difficult to fault either of them for it. They're basically what a society gets when it discourages an objective, material analysis of power relations in its educational system. Conspiracy theorizing becomes the substitute for a real understanding of social conditions.

I'd take great pleasure in acquainting them both with the pavement.

Hazekiah
02-26-2017, 02:23 AM
Both Maher and Milo are useless trolls - one liberal, the other a quasifascist lumpenintellectual, but both united in the conviction that the only legitimate form of political dialogue is that of the conspiracy theory and the hyperactive monologue. Neither of them actually knows what the fuck they're going on about; both are basically the real-world equivalent of Shangri-Lie. They are mirror images of each other, each the mouthpiece of a certain segment of the borgeoisie.

But it's difficult to fault either of them for it. They're basically what a society gets when it discourages an objective, material analysis of power relations in its educational system. Conspiracy theorizing becomes the substitute for a real understanding of social conditions.

I'd take great pleasure in acquainting them both with the pavement.

First of all, OHEY, LOOK AT MR. CONSPIRACY BEING A HYPOCRITE.

Secondly, YEAH, JUST LOOK AT THAT CONSPIRACY THEORIST BILL MAHER:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZLimuojMRk&t=190s

Annnnyway, back to shit that's NOT retarded.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikiZvUGkLjo

But one of my FAVORITE parts of the show was when the Republican Representative was all WTF THERE'S BOOZE IN MY CUP and they blew it off then 10 minutes later Seth Macfarlane was all WTF I GOT WATER I GOT NOTHING, lol. Bill literally STOOD THE FUCK UP AND DEMANDED THE MIX-UP BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY, for the sake of the show.

OMFG IT WAS AWESOME. XD XD XD

As far as I know, the whole exchange hasn't found its way online yet (PLZ, CORRECT ME!) but here's a taste.

IT IS FUCKING DELICIOUS.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MzVZE-Mk0U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stynTirw8JI

The Overman
02-26-2017, 01:43 PM
OH LOOK A CONSPIRACY THEORY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSg6lG3cvTE

Are you ever critical of anything? 'Cause I am. What I'm critical of is the fact that Maher is a fella who postures as being edgy and dangerous without being either, a shill for the Democratic Party who would be a Republican if it weren't for the predominance of Christian fundamentalism in that Party, an Islamophobe who whines about anti-Semitism constantly, an irrationalist who pretends that his lunacy concerning vaccines is somehow better than the lunacy of American Christians concerning the Book of Revelation, a transphobe who laughs along with Milo about transsexuals being "weirdos", and a gatekeeper for generic, all too conservative liberalism.

Fuck Bill Maher.

Hazekiah
02-26-2017, 03:02 PM
Is big-pharma's investment in slow death really a "conspiracy" or just blatantly obvious economy? Don't get me wrong, I understand that there's MASSIVE money to be made in cures for w/e, but in the meantime...

Come on now.

And, SURE, of course I think critically...I don't agree with EVERYTHING Bill's ever had to say, yet I still don't mind supporting the idea that his provocative discussions being brought to light for decades have OBVIOUSLY gained a net positive in terms of progress if for no other reason than the fact that the discussions are taking place in an influential, public discourse to begin with.

Likewise, I have zero problem with comparing the for-profit healthcare model to the for-profit prison system model. Is that a "conspiracy" or just the intake of blatantly obvious facts towards an inexorable conclusion? Hell, while I'm on a rant, I had mercury fillings myself, one of which was punched out by a playground bully and which I swallowed in the 6th grade and I've never had very good feelings about that, so I get where Bill's coming from there. I also avoid absorbing aluminum into my body, it just seems rational to stay as far away from that shit as possible. So, yeah, of course I'd look askance at any shot containing mercury or aluminum. Is that unreasonable?

But okay, donating a MILLION DOLLARS to Obama's campaign makes Maher a "shill," I guess. Or maybe just an interested party who puts his money where his mouth is? At a price tag that high I'd tend to assume the latter, personally. Who benefits otherwise? Is the suggestion that Bill has some kind of sweetheart deal because he proselytizes for the DNC or what?

And we've already discussed the anti-vaxxer thing and it was ultimately a non-starter since he's had so little to say about it in the end. But accusing the mind behind Religulous of being an "irrationalist" is just as absurd as calling the same guy an "Islamaphobe" because he accurately portrays its inherently illiberal conceits or calling him a "transphobe" because he made a humorous aside in an extraneous online bonus content joke regarding the disparity between the life experiences of an outwardly gay caricature of a human being and the conservative politician seated opposite from said caricature.

In short, your contranianism on these points seems as misguided as it is shortsighted.

Fuck anyone who says "Fuck Bill Maher" on the basis of such thin reasoning.

GetDownOnYourKnees
02-26-2017, 03:56 PM
I like Bill Maher, he's my type of Liberal. not a Leftist.

Golden Eel
02-28-2017, 04:55 PM
I like Bill Maher, he's my type of Liberal. not a Leftist.

What's wrong with being a leftist?

GetDownOnYourKnees
02-28-2017, 09:06 PM
What's wrong with being a leftist?

Insanity, Safe Spaces, getting easily triggered. ETC

FuckmanQ
02-28-2017, 09:22 PM
Insanity, Safe Spaces, getting easily triggered. ETC

I wouldn't classify those traits as being inherently leftist, there are a lot of shit stains in the world that fit those categories.

Golden Eel
03-01-2017, 02:27 AM
Leftist != SJW.

Hazekiah
09-09-2017, 12:36 AM
Such a great episode tonight!

Wish there could have been an "Overtime" afterward to bring ALL the guests together but, alas, Bill had to gtfo of LA asap to make it to a show he was doing in Vegas the same night. Goddamn! What a workhorse.

Anyway, highlights include a KILLER monologue, Bill flying KEN BONE of 2016 presidentia debate/web-fame all the way to LA from NINETY-MILES AWAY FROM ME and not only did he basically come out of nowhere with no idea wtf Bill wanted him there for but he KILLED IT and came off about a billion times better than expected. Oh, and then we had a reasonably balanced, two-guest panel of Paul Begala vs. S.E. Cupp. He was right but old and gross and she was youngish and hot but retarded af so fair's fair, lolololol. And then OMG this fucking kid! He's literally 17 YEARS OLD and he blew EVERYONE away. Someone plz blow him so I don't have to, I'm not even ghey but if it gives him even more confidence and resolve then GODDAMNIT I'LL DO IT BECAUSE I'M A PATRIOT.

Allllso, I almost forgot...Bill fucking KILLED IT with the New Rules segment, too! Especially the part where he highlighted things I've been saying for DECADES. Banks and phone companies and airlines are FLEECING citizens with bullshit fees and I hope like hell Sen. Warren helps skewer those bastards for it as much in the future as she has already. WARREN 2020, DAMNIT. But also gift cards. The whole reason they have them by checkout lanes and push them so hard, even as reward points offers from credit cards, is that they're often lost or even just expire before they're used but the businesses STILL gets the credit for the purchases never really made and services never really rendered.

That said, I need to get a bank account again soon and OMG I need all the gift cards I can get, lol.

I mean, I get it but what a fucked up business model.

AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Whatever, here's a quick sampling:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z_mkjzRcAs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6vHtjZKUss


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivz4OaYpMpc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP13QTOI9z4