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The Empirical Guy
09-14-2012, 05:42 AM
Anyone who has spent any amount of time talking to me about music no doubt knows I am a big fan of the band In This Moment. I believe a while back now I made mention of a visual parallel between the two, however lately I've become aware of a growing number of similarities. While many could fit in to a number of different threads here, I thought I would collate them all in to one place.

The first similarity I noticed was a couple of years back, when their singer Maria Brink started to appear on stage with a microphone stand that reminded me of Manson's early years:

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t37/TheEmpiricalGuy/a70a2f9f3a22289.jpg

Compare the broken, disfigured dolls with those that frequently scattered the stage during the Portrait era:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Zimzum1995.jpg

More dolls seen hanging in the top corners around the 1 minute mark:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_nyU8IElWzU

As if that wasn't enough, compare the top centrepiece skull with the one that appears in the booklet for Portrait Of An American Family:

http://www.providermodule.com/discography/poaaf/booklet/a3.jpg

Here things begin to move beyond a simple visual comparison, as you compare the opening riff of their song 'The Gun Show' with the riff from 'Antichrist Superstar':


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwTv45OW5Yw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1gaD5eFzbw

That was all stuff first picked up on a couple of years ago, however as In This Moment have released a new album recently, I've found a bunch of new stuff worth mentioning. First of all, this is the cover for the first single from their new album, 'Blood':

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/In_This_Moment_Blood_Single_Cover.jpg

and image that, while we would normally expect it to be somewhat sexual with it's depiction of naked women, seems to in fact be lacking in sexuality and identity with the features of their faces, and the nipples and genitalia removed from the photograph, a somewhat similar theme behind one of Manson's own album covers:

http://horrornews.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/mechanical-animals-cover-manson.png

an image which Manson himself has said was intended to express "sexlessness and vulnerability".

Fast forward a few years in Manson's career and we reach the early 2000's, a period where for a time he took to wearing a military style cap

http://www.providermodule.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_TGAOG_Candid_150%7E0.jpg

Not too dissimilar to the one sported by Maria of late:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5w9lo4Kp71qjauldo1_1280.png

and of course, it is not the only headwear that the two have shared their likeness in...

http://www.providermodule.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_TGAOG_Promotional_46.jpg

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t37/TheEmpiricalGuy/1x6oPx.AuSt.36.jpg

Once the album came out, I also found a number of likenesses and themes throughout. The album's opener, 'Rise With Me', includes the repeated lyric "Just say tonight/ You'll die here with me", which reminded me of both the "I hope at least that we die holding hands" of 'The Speed Of Pain', 'Spade's "And we said 'til we die", and the Bonnie and Clyde references made throughout the Eat Me, Drink Me era. What's more, the song 'Whore' contains the chorus line "I am the dirt you created", which seems reminiscent of Manson's statement of "I am your shit", while the music for the song (mostly the guitar at the start), to my ear, wouldn't seem too out of place on Eat Me, Drink Me or The Golden Age Of Grotesque:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GurkREc-q4I

That's about it for now. I find it interesting as I'm fond of both bands and, while there has been a notable absence of In This Moment mentioning Manson as being an influence or inspiration to their own work, there clearly seems to be some strong parallels between them in different areas.

RipVanTassel
09-14-2012, 01:21 PM
Looks like they are copycats to me.

A Better Messiah
09-14-2012, 02:03 PM
Some of the stuff at the beginning I was uncertain of, but as you progressed through your post many of these things are straight-up indisputable. Nice fond, and it's refreshing to see analysis of bands influenced by Marilyn Manson rather than vice-versa.

SangreV
09-15-2012, 04:25 PM
I thought the same at first but yeah, there is a connection there.

1984
09-15-2012, 06:42 PM
While there are parallels between the bands, there is one thing that will always keep them worlds apart:

Marilyn Manson wrote music history with the triptych.

In This Moment are fucking generic, thoughtless SHIT.

The Empirical Guy
09-16-2012, 05:24 AM
Looks like they are copycats to me.

I'm going to assume it's in jest when you call someone a copycat on a Marilyn Manson forum (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/1200-Visual-Parallels).



Some of the stuff at the beginning I was uncertain of, but as you progressed through your post many of these things are straight-up indisputable. Nice fond, and it's refreshing to see analysis of bands influenced by Marilyn Manson rather than vice-versa.

Cheers, I pretty much had the same thought. At first I thought it was pure coincidence, but as time went on and I spotted more and more stuff, it became pretty apparent there were some connections to be made.


While there are parallels between the bands, there is one thing that will always keep them worlds apart:

Marilyn Manson wrote music history with the triptych.

In This Moment are fucking generic, thoughtless SHIT.

That was eloquent of you. I see you even found the BOLD button. However, I made this thread for a discussion on the topic at hand, not for you to trash on a band you don't like - an opinion clearly formed by someone who hasn't spent much time studying their target before spouting off at them. But if you'll excuse me now, I have to go and read through the MM/ Lady Gaga thread and very carefully not make posts about how much I hate Lady Gaga.

1984
09-16-2012, 08:09 AM
I see that I have annoyed you. This has made my cock hard.

Honestly, though, they really do just sound like another American metal band. That film clip of 'The Gun Show' made me cringe. The guys looking at each other with rock n' roll satisfaction, the skimpy bitch marching around. This may as well be The Pretty Wreckless.

To keep it on topic though, the parallels have been duly noted but it pretty much goes to show me why someone who is into Marilyn Manson wouldn't get into this band. Marilyn Manson just seems like a good version of In This Moment. I mean, people get things from listening to MM, why go to another band for exactly the same thing? I love Bowie and the parallels between the two artists are undeniable but there was still an enormous amount of freshness to Mechanical Animals (which obviously had various visual parallels to Ziggy and what not). It seems like In This Moment have just copied shit instead of interpreting the ideas themselves.

Anyway, if anyone else made this thread it would have been moved to the visual parallels thread. I'd eat out Lady Gaga's ass until I found Madonna before I got into In This Moment.

tricky
09-19-2012, 05:43 AM
Interesting. I've been a huge fan of In This Moment since their MySpace days, but had never noticed this. I think it's mostly coincidental, but I'd be curious to know if she is a Marilyn Manson fan.

kalim123
09-19-2012, 11:00 AM
but I'd be curious to know if she is a Marilyn Manson fan.
You mean they, not she.

Willice
09-26-2012, 09:55 PM
Funny that OTEP also has a mic stand with a baby' head on it (Google it). I guess people that are girls or look like girls in metal bands like dead babies.

The more you know.

gunz
11-15-2012, 05:34 PM
interesting....I'm going to see In this moment live and see what else may possibly be similar

The Empirical Guy
04-10-2013, 03:49 AM
Bringing this topic back with an update on some new findings.

In early 2013, singer Maria Brink began using a 'smoke gun' on stage, which you can see in this shot:

http://loudwire.com/files/2013/11/In-This-Moment-13.jpg

clearly comparable to Manson's smoke gun used throughout 2012:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcFoJfRoygo

April 2013, the band debuts the video for the song Adrenalize, which is apparently rife with Manson references. The video can be seen here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXMfdpjnAHU&feature=player_embedded

Firstly, starting at the 1:55 mark, Maria can be seen in several shots exhaling smoke, reminiscent of the shot starting at the 2:00 mark in the video for Slo-Mo-Tion:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h3QLH_91G4&feature=player_embedded

Next up, we come to shots first seen around the 2:13 mark, showing Maria walking down a hallway on stilts. Of course, the history of Manson and stilts should be apparent to every one here, but also take a look at the long, twig-like extensions on her fingers and compare them to those seen on Manson in The Nobodies, best seen at 1:32:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi5nTb-NRFU

What's more, later in the song at the 3:37 mark, the twig-arms are suddenly replaced with a set of unfurling wings, bringing to mind Antichrist Superstar's repeated references to the Worm 'getting his wings'.

References to the ACSS era also come in the second chorus of the song, where Maria is seen singing in a dirty room, the wall covered with scrawled writing, not too distant in its aesthetics to Manson's room at the end of the video for Tourniquet:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmfQ7gSaJgM&feature=player_embedded

While lastly (for now, at least), we must make mention of the people in animal masks throughout the video. While there are a variety of masks, perhaps the most common that we see are rabbits. It's not the first time the band has utilized rabbit masks, the booklet for their 2008 album The Dream contained an image of a man in a rabbit mask. Masks, of course, being used to obscure identity, we would be forced to enquire of people: "Are You The Rabbit?"

ThreeEyedGod
04-13-2013, 05:01 AM
Come on.

1984
04-13-2013, 09:10 AM
Some people can never leave the hungry spiral that is generic American metal.

Norsefire
04-13-2013, 09:33 AM
The part of the video with her on the stilts reminded me more of The Beautiful People video, obviously the part where Manson had 2 people on the stilts.

gunz
04-13-2013, 12:47 PM
Seen them last night and truth be told, it is way similar to his stage show in the early 2000's. I have been to all kinds of rock/metal/punk shows but this one definately had everything the same as his. She did connect with the audience as the fans beneath her blew her hair around and she danced around in nothing more than a thong and tight t-shirt. haha And the pit had that one redneck hillbilly hitting chicks so he got a Gunz elbow to the face..needless to say he stopped that shit right quick. Any who the show is indeed that of which has been mentioned in this thread, had to witness it live to believe any of it ...the band is still gorgeous to look at though even in a pit of sweaty, slobbering lesbians and hillbillies <3

The Empirical Guy
04-14-2013, 02:14 AM
The part of the video with her on the stilts reminded me more of The Beautiful People video, obviously the part where Manson had 2 people on the stilts.

I went a bit of a different way with it, but there's that too. Just anything Manson has done utilizing stilts, really.

gunz, you just triggered my memory for something I was meant to include in that update post and forgot. I'm not sure if they're doing this as part of their show currently as I spotted this last year and have been sitting on it, but check out this early MM footage and compare the use of the sheet to ITM.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVYyw8YhATw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGEZtWP-6FM

As for people wishing to use this thread to bash on bands, a reminder that this is not the place to do it. This thread is for the discussion of similarities between the two bands, of which there are more than enough for it to be a valid topic, if you don't have something to useful to say on the matter, then don't post. If you hate ITM so much then there are places to talk about that - this thread here will do (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/1502-Music-You-Wish-Never-Existed) - but any further posts of that nature in here will be regarded as a deliberate attempt to troll or derail the thread and will be acted on accordingly.

Shangri-LIE
04-14-2013, 07:36 AM
People complaining about rip off artists ripping off a rip off artist. Classic.

gunz
04-14-2013, 07:38 AM
yes they are still doing that..I knew there was something else that struck me as being at a similar show...their energy is very present though..the connection and gratitude for having their fans is definately worth checking out the show. It brings back the old element of old shows..raising lighters and not being too cocky in not thanking the crowd for being there. I say go see them at least once just to see a scandally clad woman belt out notes that are unbelievably coming from that body.

1984
04-14-2013, 08:33 AM
People complaining about rip off artists ripping off a rip off artist. Classic.

Did anyone actually complain about that? I just said they were average and nothing special, which obviously tantalised Empirical into "I'm a fuckin' big cop!! raaaarrgghhh!!" mode.

Tater
04-14-2013, 05:08 PM
Did anyone actually complain about that? I just said they were average and nothing special, which obviously tantalised Empirical into "I'm a fuckin' big cop!! raaaarrgghhh!!" mode.

WATCH OUT,YOU MAY BE TEMP BANNED
.....AGAIN.....
.....FOR THE 85TH TIME.....
<3

The Empirical Guy
04-14-2013, 06:31 PM
Did anyone actually complain about that? I just said they were average and nothing special, which obviously tantalised Empirical into "I'm a fuckin' big cop!! raaaarrgghhh!!" mode.

First reply in the thread, actually.

The Empirical Guy
09-08-2015, 04:38 AM
Back again. I started putting this together a while back, but have only got around to finishing it recently. As such, some of this will be old news, as a lot of media reviews have been citing Maria Brink as the 'female Marilyn Manson' (remember: you heard it here first). Hopefully I'll be going a bit more in-depth with that comparison here though.

Last year, In This Moment released their new album Black Widow, and ever since I’ve seen an increasing number of people refer to frontwoman Maria Brink as ‘a female Marilyn Manson’. Y’all just remember that I called it first.
Here’s some of what I spotted pretty much as soon as the album and associated videos and live shows dropped.

The album overall continues the style they began to develop on their previous album Blood, expanding on the use of electronic elements and at times stepping in to straight up industrial metal territory.

The first single for the album was ‘Sick Like Me’:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03X0B6u-AxM

The comparisons can be made fairly early, at the 0:14 second mark we see light-up, Vegas style letters reminiscent of the ‘DRUGS’ sign from the Mechanical Animals live shows, with Maria Brink in a vaguely crucified pose on a spiderweb (recalling the album’s spider imagery), similar to Omega’s entrance crucified on a cross of televisions.
A few seconds after this, we see the first of several shots throughout the song’s introduction where Maria has large, bat-wing like trails of fabric under her arms, which called to mind this image of Manson:



http://www.providermodule.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_EMDM_Promotional_59.jpg

Thanks to S.D. for helping me locate that photo.

Finally, throughout the video there are various shots of Maria writhing in a bathtub, similar to the shots of Manson used throughout the video for (s)AINT:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anEMXOyCCqc

The second single and video released for the album was ‘Big Bad Wolf’:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-qQ_brIsfY

Again, the comparisons here are readily apparent and appear quickly within the introduction to the song. First of all, Maria is seen wearing a tan/ dirty white, tight fitting leotard with strips of material hanging from the sleeves, echoing the clothing Manson often wore during the Dead To The World Touring cycle:

http://www.providermodule.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_AS_Live_1.jpg

We can also see the lines painted on both her forehead, upper chest and neck, which calls to mind not only the Celebritarian cross, but the ‘T’ emblem Manson can be seen wearing on his face in the artwork for Holy Wood:

http://www.providermodule.com/discography/images/hw/9.jpg

Lastly, at the 0:43 mark, we can see her performing inside a tall, narrow cage. This prop also continued through to live performances of the song, seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSihJIicvyE

which I found to bear resemblance to the box Manson would break his way out of during performances of ‘Great Big White World’:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41FMHc2JwSM

with the thick, slightly hazy plastic Manson used over the frame, it also ties in with the curtains and shadow performance I previously mentioned In This Moment using.

Finally, while they are loose connections, given the context they seem best to mention for the sake of completeness. In the song Maria uses a high-pitched voice which has previously, including by myself, been noted as being similar to Yo-landi from Die Antwoord. However, high falsetto has been something of a trademark of Manson’s style as well. There are also several brief shots of the dancers wearing their masks on backward to give the impression their heads are twisted around at the neck, and seems like it wouldn’t have been entirely out of place in something from The Golden Age of Grotesque.

The third and most recent single released from Black Widow is ‘Sex Metal Barbie’. Even before the video came out, the song put me in mind of Manson. The dirty, hip-hop inflected beat combined with more regular hard rock elements brings to mind certain songs off The Golden Age of Grotesque, while the song’s concept - the lyrics are based on negative comments about the band on social media they found through Googling themselves - reminded me of ‘Para-noir’ being made up of women’s anonymous confessions on why they would sleep with a man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZqWLIQaKM4

In the video itself, we almost immediately see a stage prop they have been using in live shows for a while now, that should immediately be apparent to any Manson fan:

http://www.providermodule.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_HW_Live_126.jpg

Also, note the grotesque, slow-motion face distortions, often in clashing colour contrasts that remind me somewhat of certain shots from Slo-Mo-Tion. There are also a lot of warped, distorted visages that call to mind the Sweet Dreams video, which also ties in with the shot of Maria on stilts in the hallway from Adrenalize Me, above.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t37/TheEmpiricalGuy/Manson-Brink.jpg

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t37/TheEmpiricalGuy/Mansonweitzal.jpg

(The above screen caps can be seen in context in the appropriate videos at 0:00/ 3:44 and 0:48/ 3:16 respectively.)

This is not the only similar shot, as the second verse features a tall, towering Maria not dissimilar to Manson’s heightened posture over the crowd in The Beautiful People.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t37/TheEmpiricalGuy/manson-brink2.jpg

(Again, these can be seen in context at 2:53 and 2:44.)

That's pretty much all I got for now, but hopefully this is of interest to some people - especially anyone that's a fan of both bands.

Mok
09-09-2015, 10:51 PM
Never mind.

Nemoris Inferioris
09-10-2015, 05:16 AM
I like In This Moment, but i don't think they are copycats. Many artists get inspired by other artists and so on.

Look at all Manson has done. If you compare Manson's work with other bands and artists, he would seem to be the copycat. Especially Manson getting all inspired by Bowie on MA and much more work.

AudioViolence
05-18-2017, 08:01 AM
Sorry to bring up a dead thread, I don't know if that breaks the rules or anything...?

But In this Moment have a released a new song with some more resembles to Marilyn Manson, with the whole religion/dressing up a pope. I don't think any of their other music has really gone down the religious path, most of their songs is just hypersexulised to the nth degree. I've only ever listened to Black Widow and Blood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqdYHnulCms

http://i.imgur.com/Hzq2u2k.png

http://i.imgur.com/KyD3LZy.png

http://i.imgur.com/I6CcJDd.png

Some good old bible page turning there.

Its not a bad song, I actually like it for the fact it doesn't sound like ITM although once the chorus hits back to the same meh ITM.

Also anyone finding it more difficult to tell the difference between ITM and The Pretty Reckless apart from the heaviness.

DecayingSinner
12-27-2017, 05:36 PM
“Oh Lord” got me into ITM this year. Such an awesome video and Ritual is definitely my album of the year. I must have been living under a rock never hearing about this band. Of course there are similarities, just like Manson with Bowie and a ton of other artists. I don’t take it too seriously. As long as the music is good, I’m in. So far I have Ritual, Black Widow, Blood, and a few older songs. Their story is interesting and I actually prefer the more theatrical side. There are plenty of comments preferring the older days of the band, but I think it’s more of a challenge to bring the songs to life with a visual performance, rather than just playing through the set.

Lately, I’ve been reading more comments of people referring to In This Moment as a mash up of Lady Gaga, Marilyn Manson, and The Pretty Reckless. I can live with that.

The Empirical Guy
12-27-2017, 08:05 PM
Don't be sorry AudioViolence, I'm rather glad you did as I caught a lot of this stuff myself when the song released, being a long time fan of ITM, but simply just hadn't been bothered to post it here yet. I kind of felt at this point it was all rather self-explanatory and I had done my part in pointing a lot of the similarities out way before they started getting more theatrical and Maria started stating MM as an influence directly. If other people are noticing stuff now and posting it in the thread, I guess I was right. It's good to see you picking up on it.

I feel this album was a little less overt with things, but there's the obvious parallel between religious and the occult that has been seen throughout Manson's work. As for the album itself, Oh Lord didn't quite live up to expectations as a single for me (the best bit in my mind is the verses, the more generic chorus lacks the 'kick' the song deserves and seems like the low point of the song) but there's a lot of excellent tracks on there like River of Fire and Roots. They're one of those bands I can never quite decide what is my favourite album from, Black Widow and Ritual are the most developed we see Maria as an artist and conceptualist, but the older A Star-Crossed Wasteland and The Dream are the most 'together' the entire band has been as a unit, although entirely different musically.