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Mok
10-07-2012, 07:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKE7XFurJzc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY_QVaTZOq0

Am I the only one who doesn't hear any similarities? Everyone says that Disengaged is musically a rip off of AYTR but honestly I don't hear it. What about you?

S.D.
10-07-2012, 07:46 PM
I don't think it's possible to 'rip off' your own song, but given the writing teams were different for EAT ME, DRINK ME and Born Villain, it's a valid comparison. There are definitely a few moments within both that are similar, but it doesn't invalidate either. It's generally the stabbing guitar track, and Manson's enthused vocal delivery that run the same path, but whilst Are You The Rabbit? has a dirty, degenerate blues atmosphere, Disengaged edges more towards the industrial rock influence Manson has discussed in relation to Born Villain.

My personal assessment is that despite a few similarities, Are You The Rabbit? is one of the most complimentary songs on EAT ME, DRINK ME, whereas Disengaged is extreme, but one of the subtler cuts from Born Villain.

The Overman
10-07-2012, 07:50 PM
This isn't the first time I've heard similarities between Manson songs. I think this is a bit more obvious:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYKDc8JY1tw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oJ-KdEOUSE

apokalypsos
10-07-2012, 09:09 PM
This isn't the first time I've heard similarities between Manson songs. I think this is a bit more obvious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYKDc8JY1tw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oJ-KdEOUSE

When i first heard just a car crash away I kind of immediately wanted to tie it into Fundamentally Loathsome, and others make the same connection which i think is just due to the fact that they are both piano driven songs and drip with a sense of emptiness and emotional vulnerability that is only seen in these two tracks.


I think Murderers sounds like what Pretty as a $ should have been / what it was meant to sound like. Sonically they aren't similar in structure, but just the vibe certain songs give off remind me of other songs.

The Wax Gentleman
10-08-2012, 12:08 AM
I think this thread exists... Yes, some bits have similar melodic structure, but with a repertoire of what, 200 songs, you're going to have a little overlap here and there.

A Better Messiah
10-08-2012, 08:37 AM
This sounds like a job for Kleiner!!

In all fairness, they do sound darn near the same in my opinion. I dig both songs, but c'mon, it's rather obvious.

Whisky And Speed
10-08-2012, 07:40 PM
Come on! it's the same artist anyway, therefore similarities may occur either musically or image wise.

DecayingSinner
10-10-2012, 11:36 AM
The chorus to lunchbox and the chorus to the dope show are pretty similar too.

Celebrity Killing Spree
10-10-2012, 07:33 PM
Fun fact: it is technically possible to plagiarize your own song.

I read a news story once about a musician who had had a few successful songs but was kicked off of his label. In the process he lost the rights to those songs. Later, under a new label he continued to write songs with the same sound and I guess they were similar enough that his old label was able to so him for it.

^ not the same thing but I saw that someone had mentioned it.

AssetReign
10-10-2012, 08:59 PM
^ Barry Manilow should sue himself. Every fucking song sounds like "Mandy." Manson should have groined him when he had the chance.

Manson15Marilyn
10-11-2012, 10:43 AM
I see them as similar in that they're the same style of Blues tune

A Better Messiah
10-12-2012, 01:14 PM
Let's be honest here:

"Are You The Rabbit?" and every other piece of instrumentation on Eat Me, Drink Me is Skold's music, not Manson's. Love the guy and the lyrics are his, but the guitar work? That was all Skold.

HeartShapedAsses
10-13-2012, 01:28 AM
Let's be honest here:

"Are You The Rabbit?" and every other piece of instrumentation on Eat Me, Drink Me is Skold's music, not Manson's. Love the guy and the lyrics are his, but the guitar work? That was all Skold.

I think the combination of the two made a really good album, very dark, very moody, very romantic and moving in its own way. I can remember how I felt still after listing to it for the first time (still always good, but the first time you play something like a new Manson album... Well there's something special about it).

Anyway, back to my point. Most people hate that album, so why is it everyone seems to blame Manson for it instead of Skold? -Are people really saying it was the lyrics that just did not match anything? I think that's complete none sense if that's the case, works and tunes flow together beautifully I think.

-But maybe it's the theme of the album people don't like which is love/romance, no matter how you slice it. Then if that's the case, maybe that has contributed to the Wonderland film getting closeted, because they are both Wonderland-ish themed, right? I don't buy the "no film company will release it" bit, because Manson said he was going to release it on his website. No one needs approval to post porn (or porn-like...) videos on their websites as long as it's got an "what age are you?" thing required to be answered before viewing. At least that's my understand of that.

kleiner352
10-13-2012, 09:14 AM
It's fine if a band has similar sounding songs.

But my issue with this is that Skold wrote almost all of the music to EMDM and at the time Manson praised him ceaselessly talking about how great of a job he did, how much the music fit what he was trying to do and how for the first time ever he didn't feel a need to give a bandmate direction but found Skold doing the opposite at times (he even talked in a 'Phant interview about the title track being something Skold wrote and showed MM and he considered having it be an instrumental end to the album; so the music came before the lyrics often on that album).

Then Twiggy came back.

All of a sudden, Skold is this piece of shit who, to quote Manson, "wrote from the wallet" and did nothing good to contribute to Manson and how oh, EMDM is this awful record I can not play live again since it sucked, etc. etc. He really shafted Skold all of a sudden after being really praising of his work. It was low, cheap and shitty on all accounts.

So for him to then have a very similar sounding song built around a song written by a guy he just kicked to the side and talked shit about, when it's similar to a song from an album he acts like never happened, it's really lame and really pathetic to me.

A Better Messiah
10-13-2012, 10:11 AM
Well, to be fair, Kleiner, Manson did say that he is proud of Eat Me, Drink Me, but he doesn't want to play it due to its emotional effect on him...at least that's what I thought...

Celebrity Killing Spree
10-13-2012, 12:09 PM
No one ever said this, but I always suspected that they weren't really playing a lot of material from EM,DM and GAOG because Twiggy didn't want to.

It made sense during the RoTW because that was basically the "Welcome Back Twiggy" tour and of course they would want to focus on songs that they had written together.

But I wouldn't be surprised, since it's continued this far after, if Twiggy just didn't have the guitar skills to play through the solos.

DecayingSinner
10-15-2012, 01:50 PM
But I wouldn't be surprised, since it's continued this far after, if Twiggy just didn't have the guitar skills to play through the solos.

I have said this before. He has played If I Was Your Vampire, but that is a very easy song to play. It would be awesome to see them play Putting Holes In Happiness again, but I am pretty certain Twiggy is not capable. It's also probably something both Manson and Twiggy don't see in their catalog when deciding on sets.