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M Tragedy666
01-09-2013, 02:42 PM
There are already a few threads dedicated to specific movies that had an effect or influenced Manson's work, the latest being The Reflecting Skin, and I thought it would be good to have a single place to look at all of them for easy reference. Feel free to add ideas and pictures from the films.

I just discovered a possible influence as well when searching The Criterion Collection's catalogue.

http://www.criterion.com/films/1076-the-exterminating-angel

"The Exterminating Angel" instantly reminded me of the lyric from Unkillable Monster off of THEOL.

Have any of you seen this movie? I have not yet, but knowing Manson's taste in film noir and the period, it seems like a sure bet that it could have had some impression on Manson.

Other films that we know of:

Lolita
Mad Love
High and Low
Holy Mountain
Alice In Wonderland
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
The Reflecting Skin

this is just off the top of my head. What are the others? Please discuss the films and there tie-ins with Manson's work.

I don't know if you want to include The Texas Chainsaw Massacre for it's sound effects in "I Put A Spell On You" or some Rosemary's Baby references, like when meeting Blanche Barton and her son prior to meeting LaVey.

ThreeEyedGod
01-09-2013, 02:58 PM
He mentioned Thelma and Louise during the EMDM era as an inspiration.

1984
01-09-2013, 03:54 PM
Apocalypse Now has been mentioned in regards to the lyrical content of Disengage.

VV_
01-09-2013, 05:31 PM
Awesome idea. He also mentioned or was influenced by:

American Psycho
The Seventh Seal
Inside
The Exorcist
Irreversible
Hunger
The Man Who Fell To Earth
Phantom Of The Paradise
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
Willy Wonka
Rubber
Trouble Every Day
The Human Centipede
Walk Hard : The Dewey Cox Story
The 9


(you should edit your very first post with the one we add)

FeedYourHead
01-09-2013, 05:52 PM
I like how The One and Only Golden Ticket just changed their company name to Adventures in Wonderland.

I wonder if MM really own this company instead of 30 Seconds to Mars.

Lucille
01-09-2013, 05:56 PM
He borrows pretty heavily from The Man Who Fell to Earth, and contrary to popular belief he borrowed far more from it in the ACSS era, than in MA.

Edit: Actually on second thought it's pretty even.

Hazekiah
01-09-2013, 06:38 PM
Hmm, damnit...I've got a couple lists that are pretty comprehensive in a few notebooks and journals somewhere, but off the top of my head a couple I don't see here but which should be on ANY list of Manson-related movies would be:

Begotten
Fritz Lang's M
Salo
Triumph of Will
The Shining
Blue Velvet
Velvet Goldmine
The Night Porter
Titus
Suspiria
The Hunger
Wild in the Streets
Last Tango in Paris
The Lone Ranger
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Bonnie and Clyde
The Doom Generation
Blade Runner
Barbarella

and OF COURSE...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU83R7rpXQY

303
01-10-2013, 04:51 AM
One of the first things Manson said to me was "shake n bake" haha. Talladega nights

MisanthroPope
01-10-2013, 11:45 AM
I just discovered a possible influence as well when searching The Criterion Collection's catalogue.

http://www.criterion.com/films/1076-the-exterminating-angel

"The Exterminating Angel" instantly reminded me of the lyric from Unkillable Monster off of THEOL.

Have any of you seen this movie? I have not yet, but knowing Manson's taste in film noir and the period, it seems like a sure bet that it could have had some impression on Manson.



I ran across that film a few months back and obviously thought the same thing. I forgot what the hell I was looking for but this one had popped up as well, The Exterminating Angels (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0792948/). I haven't watched either but the one I linked is currently streaming on Netflix.

TheTeletubbieFlasher
01-10-2013, 04:59 PM
The Lone Ranger (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1210819/)

M Tragedy666
01-11-2013, 09:22 AM
Thank you, Misanthropope, I did not know about that other film. After reading the synopsis, it seems that newer film could have maybe been the inspiration? Who knows...

Also, I'd like to remind everyone and anyone who feels up to it to also post descriptions as to how the film correlates with Manson's work. Even the obvious ones, no matter how seemingly redundant it might feel. There are always some fans who do not have the extensive knowledge some of us have, and refreshers are always nice for those who study Manson's work.

By the way, I have yet to see "Rubber". I've been meaning too. It looks great! But is there any evidence that it has tied in in some way with his music or paintings? This isn't necessarily a topic just to post films that Manson likes. Lol. It could be that also if you'd like, but I wanted to discover and research the specific ones that have lyrical/artistic references or him borrowing idea's from certain movies.

Also, Feedyourhead, I also just noticed about the changing of The One And Only Golden Tickets name...very weird. Do we know why they changed it suddenly? I doubt there were another company of the same name. Both titles actually represents movies that strongly influences Mansons work. "Golden Ticket" for the Willy Wonka reference, now with "Adventures in Wonderland" and Lewis Carrol/Alice in Wonderland.

I'm not a fan of 30 Seconds to Mars. Is there work any good? Do there music reference those films? I didn't know they owned the company.

Norsefire
01-11-2013, 01:59 PM
I like how The One and Only Golden Ticket just changed their company name to Adventures in Wonderland.

I wonder if MM really own this company instead of 30 Seconds to Mars.

The domain is registered to Jared Leto, so I guess they still own it. Although I never knew they did until I read your post.

FeedYourHead
01-11-2013, 02:12 PM
The domain is registered to Jared Leto, so I guess they still own it. Although I never knew they did until I read your post.

oh haha I wasn't being serious about that. I just thought it was funny that they changed their name to yet another manson film the day this thread was started.

Norsefire
01-11-2013, 02:27 PM
oh haha I wasn't being serious about that. I just thought it was funny that they changed their name to yet another manson film the day this thread was started.

I didn't think you totally was either, but anyway I thought I'd look it up. Strange they changed their name.

I didn't mean to start taking this thread off topic... so back to films....

I've seen Rubber, I didn't think it was that great. But when you watch it you will see where "NO REASON" comes from.

Zsa Zsa
01-11-2013, 02:49 PM
In an interview from 2009, Manson said that The Evil Dead was an inspiration for the video for The Nobodies.

Hazekiah
01-11-2013, 03:07 PM
Julie Taymor's Titus was VASTLY more influential with regards to that video.

Zsa Zsa
01-11-2013, 03:27 PM
Julie Taymor's Titus was VASTLY more influential with regards to that video.

I think it may have been aesthetically influencing it, it's been a few years since I've seen the clip.

Hazekiah
01-11-2013, 03:51 PM
Yeah, aside from the Evil Dead films and "The Nobodies" each partly taking place in a cabin there's really nothing else in common between them.

Whereas Titus has a cannibalistic meal of one's adversary's cooked-up, served, and eaten in the name of justice at its climax.

Oh, and this...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pPP0t5q7uM

Zsa Zsa
01-11-2013, 04:26 PM
Here's the quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=LLKZb0nX6utyXkfQOQDalv_A&v=Ttd6tBjziQw&feature=player_detailpage#t=97s


Also, City of Lost Children, apparently. Never heard of it, though.

Elizabeth Casto
01-13-2013, 07:58 AM
what about the holy mountian by alejandro jodorowsky
also i just read that im supposed to write a line or two about how it times in. but that would destroy half the fun, sometimes it is to obvious and just being told the movie would be enough.
there is a lot more than just looks to it.

another movie is suspiria, but the same time not really. he just uses the intro for some of his shows. and its an interesting film. :) this is one its just interesting to see the film that has had its theme song used as an intro...

Hazekiah
01-13-2013, 03:29 PM
TOP OF PAGE THREE
SUMMARY

The Reflecting Skin
The Exterminating Angel
Lolita
Mad Love
High and Low
Holy Mountain
Alice In Wonderland
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Thelma and Louise
Apocalypse Now
American Psycho
The Seventh Seal
Inside
The Exorcist
Irreversible
The Man Who Fell To Earth
Phantom Of The Paradise
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
Rubber
Trouble Every Day
The Human Centipede
Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story
The 9
The Man Who Fell to Earth
Begotten
Fritz Lang's M
Salo
Triumph of Will
The Shining
Blue Velvet
Velvet Goldmine
The Night Porter
Titus
Suspiria
The Hunger
Wild in the Streets
Last Tango in Paris
The Lone Ranger
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Bonnie and Clyde
The Doom Generation
Blade Runner
Barbarella
The Zapruder Footage
Rubber
The Evil Dead
The City of Lost Children


I took the liberty of omitting Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby since "shake & bake" is just something he quoted from a film at a meat-and-greet, rather than it showing any demonstrable inspiration upon his work as an artist.


Here's the quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=LLKZb0nX6utyXkfQOQDalv_A&v=Ttd6tBjziQw&feature=player_detailpage#t=97s

Also, City of Lost Children, apparently. Never heard of it, though.

Great movie, definitely worth tracking down!

Although, I'm not really sure where there's much of a thematic connection to "The Nobodies" apart from taking in orphaned kids and their dreams and feeding them into machines. But that's certainly plenty! And it's also been well over a decade since I've last seen it so maybe I'm just missing something else.

And thanks for the interview link, I remember seeing that one now. I guess the obvious connection is the tree dragging the bodies onto the oven's conveyor belt at the end of "The Nobodies" and the tree-rape scene in The Evil Dead.

The Empirical Guy
01-14-2013, 03:24 AM
Maybe I've missed something really obvious here, but while I'm familiar with most of the films mentioned here and the Manson connection, what's the inspiration from The Human Centipede? I've never noticed anything and I'm curious as that is without a doubt the single worst film I have ever seen in my life.

Hazekiah
01-14-2013, 03:47 AM
I enjoyed it a lot for it's campy, b-movie charm. It was raunchy and fun.

But I'm curious about that movie's influence myself, along with The 9. I'm assuming they've been mentioned as vaguely inspiring in an interview somewhere or they wouldn't have been tossed into the thread like that...but those two specifically seem a little out of place, yeah.

Anyone got anything on those?

(Those are both on YOU, Vince!)

Anyway, just to keep things going in the meantime...



https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-BYe6eW5xiDKHaTNRVxCxWizdRLngFfgg9Z1rZuHj0SBQh-Wu

timoldbean
01-14-2013, 05:59 AM
Wasn't there something about "Hot Tub Time Machine" too? I vaguely remember a reference, maybe during the days of when he was updating myspace.

Not Mechanical
01-14-2013, 10:07 AM
I think he posted 'shotgun to the dick' and 'HTTM' on myspace at some point, I think that was about it.

M Tragedy666
01-14-2013, 12:55 PM
It seems a few of us (but I'm betting everyone) has at least some questions about some of the films mentioned. Personally, I've never even heard of a handful of the ones mentioned, let alone know how they've inspired Manson's work. This is why I wanted anyone with any contributions to explain themselves. It's why this thread was posted in the "Evidence and Analysis" section rather than simply the "Marilyn Manson Discussion" section. Maybe my expectations were a little too high. I thought it would be neat to have a single place that showcases ALL of the known works and how they are related for easy reference. But I realize this could take some time and 'could' be hard work. That is why the length and depth of your descriptions are up to you. You could go as crazy and detailed as you'd like, or just a simple few lines.

I started this thread and yet I also failed to give descriptions of the initial films I mentioned and how they are related, and for that I have no excuses. Just pure laziness. I'm going to try to change that because it's becoming more and more evident that if a hardcore Manson fan like myself, who has been a fan since around 2000, and has read or watched virtually every interview known, and I still have questions and am discovering that a great handful of these films I've not heard of, how can we expect the Newbie to have any idea of any of this stuff? So I guess what I'm trying to say is don't take it for granted that we are all on the same level. "To be equal you must add or subtract, and I never liked math"- MM.

For example"

Lolita- The controversial tale of a man and his bizzare love obsession with a very young girl. Melancholic and depressing at times..the man losing himself to a downward spiral of pain and agony, paranoia, running away from possible cops, etc... There has been at least two films based on the Vladimir Nabokov epic novel. In the 60's, legendary film director Stanley Kubrick made a version, and it was remade in the 1990's with Jeremy Irons and the lovely Dominique Swain. The story has a cult following that seems to be growing into the subconscious pop culture, and referenced moderately in music or film. Lana Del Rey has a beautiful song entitled "Lolita" for example. (Ironic, as the controversial story that was once banned is now embraced in such a strong way, a christian sign of the end times and moral decay.)

No scene in either version of the film has had the young protagonist actually wearing the classic "heart shaped glasses". It was only featured in a poster for the 60's version.

I don't have the link at the moment to the vast interviews taken around the time of Eat Me Drink Me, but Marilyn Manson has spoken of his love interest at the time, Evan Rachel Wood, showing up wearing the "heart shaped glasses" which sparked Manson's genius to write a song about it. It was a dark sardonic sarcasm that she showed up to his house wearing those, as purportedly people were less than supportive of a 40 year old Manson with a girl in her late teens. The album had deeply romantic roots and explored many unusual or untouched levels of love. Extremism...the all or nothing concept/lets die together/together as one against all other/going mad with love to point of danger. The album, in my opinion, quite perfectly showcased many themes of Romeo and Juliet, Shakespeare, Lolita, Mad Love, Bonnie and Clyde/Mickey and Mallory Knox...(that may be a good movie to throw in there..Natural Born Killers had themes that Manson has used from nearly the begining...not sure if it may just be a coincidence)

Anyway, ^^ this was a rather badly written 2 paragraph description of the ties of Lolita and EMDM that I just wrote on a whim. I'm sure I missed a lot and probably should elaborate even more. This is sort of an obvious one to those of us that have been around for awhile. But I thought it might be an easier, although complex, example of what I want to know about other films I have not seen.

For example, are there any other ties to The Shining other than Kinderfeld? Even that song wouldn't appear to have anything to do with the movie other than the mention of "Jack", "The Boy" and the mention of "Living in my mouth, telling me what to say. Does this have anything to do with censorship? (telling me what to say) Or not thinking for oneself? How does this Shining reference have anything to do with the greater scheme of Antichrist Superstar?

We now know the origin of the reference/inspiration of The Shining and Manson's work. Now why is it there? Maybe it can be analyzed?

I'm still curious how or what song/video/photoshoot/performance borrows from Human Centipede as well and also Rubber, which I've been meaning to see! I know he mentioned Rubber before... but what the hell did Manson do actually artistically that displayed a reference to Rubber and why?

What about Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? One of my favorite films. What has been used from that?

A Better Messiah
01-14-2013, 03:36 PM
Rubber was Manson's inspiration for the "No Reason" concept of the Born Villain short film and the song "Overneath The Path of Misery." It also likely "inspired" him to work with Quentin Dupieux on Wrong Cops.

Hazekiah
01-14-2013, 06:02 PM
What about Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? One of my favorite films. What has been used from that?

The film reel from the police convention was sampled at the beginning of "The Dope Show" starting in 2007:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqL4A6H1uuw



Likewise, they also sampled Lolita at the beginning of "Putting Holes in Happiness" on that tour:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7oUbmHurCQ



While we're at it, they also sampled Alice in Wonderland on that tour for the intro to "Are You the Rabbit?":



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP-xZxa-Ieg



And, one more for the list; that's Raging Bull at the beginning of "The Fight Song" from the same tour:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Hc3hnL1Ig

AssetReign
01-14-2013, 06:12 PM
^ To me using a film segment or reference intro on tour isn't the same as actually being the inspiration for a song.

Hazekiah
01-14-2013, 06:39 PM
Absolutely, I was just running with a bit looser interpretation of the purpose of the thread, as outlined in the OP in terms of it dealing with movies which have had an effect and/or influence on his work...in these cases being the general framework of its presentation within the context of the band's live shows.

For instance, I don't think he necessarily had Raging Bull in mind while writing "The Fight Song," but I'd hazard a guess that it helped pull things together when the general idea for the boxing ring staging for that song came to the fore midway through the Rape of the World Tour '07 shows. Thereby showing a relationship between the movie and the song on tour if not on the album, akin to the same way The Night Porter may not have had any real influence on the creation of the song but still became inextricably intertwined with its presentation following Manson's homage to it within the song's official video:


https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoIoD5_0plI4YuCP6jmWyPy8xivUAwC FfZRwtAF-l5z7UZYHcc



That's a very important distinction to make here though, thanks for bringing it up!

:)

Hazekiah
01-14-2013, 10:37 PM
TOP OF THE
FOURTH PAGE

Just thought I'd deal quickly with the ones
already listed and easily dealt with quickly.


The Reflecting Skin
@7:12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmhpCjEx2FI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BlUfaMLj3s

(See also; this thread (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/5473-The-Reflecting-Skin).)



The Exterminating Angel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdwgY6dRXz0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hosysvl2tnk



Lolita
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKUMWs5I866O3PpngHjK-BqUEJaU-2loX2PS4HaveBtdmq0p2r

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLvR8eV9USc



Mad Love
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/419XP67DBFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/V6PqT.jpg?1



High and Low
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXs7AG3lC7bbDJD6Qpt7EISiyaRtGqE o_XztM6ZjKl0nhrTSFpsA
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6R8squm11OWEIadCMwdg40VDAUKxa1 7MGJse93yIplSKmAbmB



Holy Mountain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f-RzaPyuDQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R682M3ZEyk

http://cache.downloads.moviesnxs.com/thumbnails/tn-newf-unknown-the_holy_mountain_01_pxcgdc0_.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWw5u2noPRk



Alice In Wonderland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj_-MXOfMiY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UP-xZxa-Ieg

Hazekiah
01-14-2013, 10:38 PM
Willy Wonka and the
Chocolate Factory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKZT2u3gYQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOAewF-59IQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTy4xZKpMq0



The Texas
Chainsaw Massacre
@0:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs3981DoINw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ya3JQjGZOw



Apocalypse Now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDK9MDklzFo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY_QVaTZOq0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB_JFmLeKnA

(See also; this thread (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/4778-Disengaged-amp-Apocalypse-Now).)



American Psycho
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3V-Itx054oE-Ix-68aKKLgpQseWSo2aOTGDbcvdV017wHBl1fpw
http://cherisehuntingford.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/knife-proper1.jpg




Phantom of
The Paradise


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1PvQ8py9Bc

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSYGVUpMF6DBoM20bPPr7UccCPL3xPNd CxYd-f0H5zbpeA2Bl7Q




Chitty Chitty Bang Bang


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUnhfvGdmmw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqxu2XLBOoQ



Rubber

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PfDDPHZZ4U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMlDnAwQ4fs



Trouble Every Day

http://www.sensesofcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/images/05/35/trouble_every_day.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTu5JsINeaqKQhLm77PpGuREfSAt_S5D OSflLzQY7nRsqMwM65kOg

http://aved.upc.es/critiques/imatges/trouble_every_day_3.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSrXU88bloJZ6DtcoSP8Hckz-c0aYLt5uDcBZkKgtUB_FK_xN4Mg



Walk Hard:
The Dewey Cox Story


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MdJcjl42D0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNoCq5ib6xg



Begotten


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=455ohZRdbY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj_vCNevsfY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1gaD5eFzbw



Fritz Lang's M

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQQjR45hWWrazyzWXCeKRLaCy9mNRN1 eNadXV58rBi-jSqikDDOw
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR8HChujRneXjJC_Uq65LT9_Vq0q5fcM 1bJMfyqf75-AkklBNJ0





The Shining

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0Mz1jnj7SAYih3vqtjWPlM1-aT50BKHEa4PXmGTZEHlotZy9bNg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3ffksTWXXye6DV8qeSmF-tYFiHnuCJGm7ornA4WA1_Ds27vQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rKbtlodzCU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTqrK8H5Shg



Velvet Goldmine


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0-GryhUnSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYMgRsS496o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XECzYN50WMw



The Night Porter

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoIoD5_0plI4YuCP6jmWyPy8xivUAwC FfZRwtAF-l5z7UZYHcc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GFI6Rf-IkI



Titus


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6pPP0t5q7uM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF-QqKiT1bI



Suspiria


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJUaCAIxSk4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvWXE8GwCzA



The Hunger


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHAn34xWChM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRoZEWOd8xo



The Lone Ranger

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQYbqBksoRg9kp8ZL4w7H_bHGJRmfKbl ZrGlUjmoaR8cI1eaLcgSA
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWlFJ6nDm_QhxXY02M4FAmxL17jbeRM nZgvBpG3eqK_fyWqX6d




Blade Runner

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQ2GwO3YtoOiAFvCuFsGFzEnXqFL_1x eXlZPmtrLrdmZwHMN7-
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_XD2T_-ENnf1cZHu6eHVi8_AJLjPvx0uPdbdXp7jiWrYvLi0Y



Jesus Christ
Superstar

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-BYe6eW5xiDKHaTNRVxCxWizdRLngFfgg9Z1rZuHj0SBQh-Wu
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPYbuAKtmoz2rztyKwRHZxa9Gt7AgIn A5DXc_aPq8p4PHLu6XIIg




The Zapruder Footage


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iU83R7rpXQY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQPJYnr48yU

AssetReign
01-14-2013, 11:39 PM
I think some of these might also be in the "Visual Parallels" thread. I remember MMT making a post about the Tonto face paint.

TheTeletubbieFlasher
01-15-2013, 02:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33W6CTL8Qw0

http://cdn.bornvillain.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/slm3.jpg

M Tragedy666
01-15-2013, 03:02 PM
Just want to give a big thanks to Haz for putting this together so nicely! Really helping the thread thrive. Thanks!

MisanthroPope
01-16-2013, 12:14 AM
Is there an actual connection with Irreversible or was it just mentioned by Manson?

AssetReign
01-16-2013, 12:19 AM
^ I was wondering about that too. Some of the cinematic "influences" posted seem to be more speculation on our part rather than ones Manson has actually claimed/acknowledged.

blue angel
01-16-2013, 10:12 AM
True Romance and Romeo and Juliet.

HG131
04-01-2013, 11:08 AM
I'm sure there's a whole lot more than this, but one obvious connection between Manson and The Seventh Seal.

Four Rusted Horses: "Forbidden in heaven and useless in hell"
The Seventh Seal: "...meaningless to Heaven and of no interest to Hell"

apokalypsos
04-02-2013, 03:56 AM
Fritz Lang's 1927 film, 1927 depicts an apocalyptic future and post-apocalyptic future of man. i suggest all interested in viewing to do so...
It portrays Coma, the mechanical bride and her transformation into BABALON, the whore of the apocalypse. Through the eyes of the apocalypse.
This is the pinnacle film for MECHAN1CAL ANIMAL5, Dystopian society on the fringe, complete with androgyny and our mechanical bride.







http://las.arts.ubc.ca/files/2012/09/metropolis.jpg

Norsefire
04-18-2013, 09:25 AM
I was just watching an interview with Marilyn Manson and Gaspar No (MTV Talk @ Playground - 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNfoDWPNiHU)) and Manson mentions The Hunger soundtrack being something he likes to listen to.

As pointed out we know the Franz Schubert - Trio in E Flat was used from The Hunger soundtrack as the intro and outro to the Rape of the World shows in 2007/2008. But that second piece that comes in on the intro to the show as it builds up to go into the first song, I didn't know that was also from the soundtrack. I've seen the film but I don't remember hearing it in there.

You can listen to the piece here: http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-hunger-original-soundtrack-mw0000190360
It's track 5, called Sarah's Panic, although on iTunes it's just called Taxi.

You can hear it in the intro in this video, around the 2 minute mark.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OzY3zU7sF4

M Tragedy666
05-10-2013, 03:46 PM
I don't know if this has been discovered yet..... I just was watching the classic "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou" and heard something that sounded a little too familiar... This film is of course based on The Odyssey by Homer. This is another little piece of the puzzle that is EMDM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dl2L4v6ecM


fast forward to about 1:50 ... it starts at exactly 1:53 Enjoy!

Norsefire
05-10-2013, 03:48 PM
^ That's brilliant! Nice find! Don't think I've seen anyone else mention that film before, or even the fact it mentions YAMATDM3.

AssetReign
05-10-2013, 05:48 PM
I have Southern roots, and "you and me and the devil makes three" is a familiar expression to most Southerners. Based on her childhood years in Virginia and North Carolina, I'm sure Emmylou Harris was also familiar with it. Not that the song isn't brilliant . . .

M Tragedy666
05-10-2013, 07:18 PM
I wasn't aware it was a common expression. I wonder then, if Manson might have been referencing the phrase itself, the movie, or what? Maybe it's just a coincidence?

Hazekiah
05-10-2013, 07:31 PM
Yeah, it's not just a common expression but has also been used as a title and/or lyric for many, many, many old, traditional, country/bluegrass songs. That said, given his general interest in film, it's very likely that O Brother, Where Art Thou? might easily be what called it to Manson's attention. It's the most high-profile use of the theme in recent years that I can think of anyway.

Norsefire
05-10-2013, 07:35 PM
I didn't know it was a common expression either, I don't think I've ever seen anyone make note of that before. Unless they just assumed everyone knew?

Hazekiah
05-10-2013, 08:06 PM
Well, I know the old song/expression was discussed on the 'Phant back in the day, at least...not sure if O Brother, Where Art Thou? ever came up, though. But it's kinda like Get Behind Me Satan by The White Stripes, itself an old traditional country/bluegrass song and expression. Once you know about it you'll start to see it everywhere. There are literally hundreds of versions of each going back at least a century.

AssetReign
05-10-2013, 08:14 PM
"Get behind me, Satan"* were words allegedly uttered by Jesus to Peter, and we know how Southern people love to turn Biblical quotes into country songs.

*and, as we know, the devil then went down to Georgia to play a fiddle.

SangreV
05-11-2013, 12:21 PM
Well, I know the old song/expression was discussed on the 'Phant back in the day, at least...not sure if O Brother, Where Art Thou? ever came up, though.

I remember this too. Someone (fan? interviewer? reviewer?) had referenced the title to another song. It was of no real interest to me so I cannot tell you if it was to the song in that film or not. I think this line also has a biblical origin.

DecayingSinner
05-11-2013, 03:26 PM
I have really wanting to see Suspiria. Haven't found it on Netflix, will have to search elsewhere. Is it any good?

SangreV
05-11-2013, 04:16 PM
I have really wanting to see Suspiria. Haven't found it on Netflix, will have to search elsewhere. Is it any good?

Yes, it's a fantastic film! Great visuals, music, emphasis of colour... this film has style.

It won't appeal to everyone as some people may find it cheesy, others may find it charming. The only bad thing in my opinion is the use of dubbing. I believe it was filmed in various languages and dubbed over in English. It's not that the dubbing is that bad, it's just that I hate dubbing. But this is common in older Italian horror films.

Cringeon
05-11-2013, 10:29 PM
Goblin is also the intro song for the band Orange Goblin from the UK. After seeing MM use it with HCW right after, anything else was just a boner-killer.

A Better Messiah
05-25-2013, 02:11 PM
Suspiria is one of my favorite films ever, and the score by Goblin is one of my favorites as well.

Gloominatus
07-01-2013, 02:45 PM
Here's one I've never seen mentioned: in Derek Jarman's "Jubilee" the evil record producer says "As long as the music's loud enough, we won't hear the world falling apart". Impossible not to relate that to "Blank and White".

Norsefire
07-01-2013, 05:31 PM
^ That's great. Never heard of the film before, but he made a quote similar to that as well. So I would say that's where it comes from, thanks for sharing that.

Gloominatus
07-01-2013, 09:15 PM
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised at all if Manson dug "Jubilee". I'm almost 100% sure it was his inspiration for that line in "Blank and White".

"Jubilee" was considered the first punk movie ever made and has appearances by all sorts of people including Adam Ant, Siouxsie Sioux and Wayne County. Richard O'Brien from "Rocky Horror" plays the famous occultist John Dee, the whole thing takes place in this surreal dystopia and is like this weird pop art punk performance project, and my description of it can't really do the movie justice. Vivienne Westwood famously made some anti-"Jubilee" clothing because she felt the movie misrepresented punk, which was new at the time. I know MM loves punk, Adam Ant, occult history, Vivienne Westwood, etc. so the whole thing seems like something he would love. Here's a bizarre story: I was playing my DVD of "Jubilee" for the first time and just sort of had it on in the background while I listened to music. I was listening to "Arma . . ." on THEOL , and when the song ended I stopped the album instead of listening to "Blank and White". Right when I stopped it, I turned the sound up on the TV and the first thing I hear is "As long as the music's loud enough we won't hear the world falling apart". I seriously had no idea that was coming up, or even in the movie at all. It was weird as fuck.

Thought of another MM movie inspiration: not sure if someone brought it up already, but the "stop the meat from thinking before I swallow all of it" line in "A Place in the Dirt" is taken from Gaspar Noe's "I Stand Alone".

blue angel
07-02-2013, 11:29 PM
Here's one I've never seen mentioned: in Derek Jarman's "Jubilee" the evil record producer says "As long as the music's loud enough, we won't hear the world falling apart". Impossible not to relate that to "Blank and White".

I've seen that. I didn't think to connect that line, but it's been awhile since I've watched it. Good One!