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Lauren
06-21-2009, 12:41 PM
Here's an older one that I came across: (just to get things started here)

Bauhaus - Bela Lugosi's Dead performance in The Hunger


http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo229/ladylovelylocks894/TheHunger/th_hunger-00009.png (http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo229/ladylovelylocks894/TheHunger/hunger-00009.png)http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo229/ladylovelylocks894/TheHunger/th_hunger-00030.png (http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo229/ladylovelylocks894/TheHunger/hunger-00030.png)http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo229/ladylovelylocks894/TheHunger/th_hunger-00200.png (http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo229/ladylovelylocks894/TheHunger/hunger-00200.png)



From THEOL booklet
http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/images/thumb/1/14/The-High-End-Of-Low-Booklet-14.png/109px-The-High-End-Of-Low-Booklet-14.png (http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/images/thumb/1/14/The-High-End-Of-Low-Booklet-14.png/547px-The-High-End-Of-Low-Booklet-14.png)


And someone else (forgot who, sorry) pointed out this (THEOL traycard) which is also similar to the Bauhaus performance:

http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/images/thumb/5/59/The-High-End-Of-Low-Deluxe-Traycard.jpg/120px-The-High-End-Of-Low-Deluxe-Traycard.jpg (http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/images/thumb/5/59/The-High-End-Of-Low-Deluxe-Traycard.jpg/765px-The-High-End-Of-Low-Deluxe-Traycard.jpg)

ImNotJesus
06-22-2009, 03:43 AM
I seem to remember reading a Manson quote where he noted Bauhaus as a big influence of his...

Interesting find!

The Empirical Guy
06-22-2009, 05:01 AM
Yeah, in LHROOH, he mentions how they were a big influence on him, but Daniel Ash verbally attacked him when they met. The pictures are very similar though, and almost surely linked.

lunch
06-24-2009, 05:40 PM
And someone else (forgot who, sorry) pointed out this (THEOL traycard) which is also similar to the Bauhaus performance:
http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/images/thumb/5/59/The-High-End-Of-Low-Deluxe-Traycard.jpg/120px-The-High-End-Of-Low-Deluxe-Traycard.jpg (http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/images/thumb/5/59/The-High-End-Of-Low-Deluxe-Traycard.jpg/765px-The-High-End-Of-Low-Deluxe-Traycard.jpg)

That was me! *being attention whore*

And I also thought there was a visual reference to the Holy Wood booklet because in the picture with Twiggy there is also this metal cage thing. And I thought this was fitting because Manson said with THEOL they continued where they left off with HW since Twiggy´s departure.
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3460/img4918500x500100kb.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/img4918500x500100kb.jpg/)

S.D.
06-24-2009, 05:52 PM
I also thought there was a visual reference to the Holy Wood booklet because in the picture with Twiggy there is also this metal cage thing. And I thought this was fitting because Manson said with THEOL they continued where they left off with HW since Twiggy´s departure.

There is an image that features the whole band in front of the cage:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Holy%20Wood/Band.jpg

And as noted on The Heirophant, this might be significant:-

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Rabbit.jpg

ikkedylandus
07-11-2009, 02:28 PM
@ the video of Disturbed - Land of Confusion Are Also Swastikas replaced by $-Symbols, Like In AGDMFG video.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvx1z_ ... sion_music (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvx1z_disturbed-land-of-confusion_music)

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2566/landofconfsion.png

S.D.
07-14-2009, 08:55 AM
This is a cute sort of observation. Manson and his lady both caught in the filmstrip:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/FilmstripManson.jpg

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/StoyaFilmstrip.jpg

absinthe bunny
07-19-2009, 08:41 AM
Not an influence, but I was in a bookstore yesterday and it had this book with the title: "$ELLEBRITY" which reminded me of manson's ($) sign and the whole thing about the fascism of money:

http://www.goodkarmacreative.com/Art/PORTFO%7E1/sellebrity/$ellebrity%20book%20open%20low%20re.jpg

S.D.
07-20-2009, 05:12 PM
I've been curious about this particular comparison, it seems appropriate in a lot of different ways, both visually and culturally. It's best put in imagery, because it has the most similarities there, but I'll contextualise as well. This year Eminem debuted what was regarded as his 'comeback' album, Relapse, the second single from which was 3 A.M., a song that deals directly with the schizophrenic thought process of a serial killer. Now, besides the obvious relation to Manson's name, and the ethos of the artist, it might bear some similarity to the comments Manson made about his house resembling that of a serial killer in interviews with Kerrang! Magazine recently...

In the lyrics for 3 A.M., Eminem (or more likely his alter ego, Slim Shady), uses dialogue from The Silence of the Lambs as basis for his confessions, which correlates directly with I Want To Kill You Like They Do In The Movies, in the sense of making the link between violence and entertainment --- ("I'm taking credit for the death toll"). He ad libs the lines spoken by Buffalo Bill during the film; "She puts the lotion in the basket, she puts the lotion on the skin, or else it gets the hose again".

Now, the most interesting links to be made here, by far, are the stark similarities between the video for the song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG10xE1hbXI) and a good deal of the Marilyn Manson imagery to accompany The High End of Low. Here are some examples, both comparisons and studies:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM.jpg

Leave a scar...? This may also look familiar in relation to the 'Stigmata' images from Lest We Forget.

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM2.jpg

I don't even really need to explain this one, but here is the image nonetheless.

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM4.jpg

"A big bottle of big big pills"

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM3.jpg

Doppelherz?

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM5.jpg

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM7.jpg

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM6.jpg
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http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM8.jpg

God is in the TV... The Televisual image is wonderfully close to some of the recent (and indeed, past) Manson aesthetic.

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM9.jpg


They're from America... I needn't labour the point of how these bear similarity to one another, but note of course the blood dripping down the walls (EAT ME, DRINK ME), the potential 'murder' victim in Manson's image, and The Dope Show-esque mannequin.

Also, from -< me >-'s scans, observe the same clock in the bedroom:-


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc58/Jemineye_2007/stuff/th_IMG_0005-1.jpg (http://s215.photobucket.com/albums/cc58/Jemineye_2007/stuff/?action=view&current=IMG_0005-1.jpg)

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This final image is one of the most striking:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM10.jpg


And how it generally relates to The High End Of Low aesthetic. I'm leaving the rest to discussion, as it seems better that people respond to these ideas as they are presented, I don't want to say too much.

spaceSuicide
07-20-2009, 05:19 PM
S.D., you never cease to amaze me with your connections and comparisons to Manson and other artists.

Well done, I enjoyed reading that.

Procrastinator
07-20-2009, 05:48 PM
S.D., you never cease to amaze me with your connections and comparisons to Manson and other artists.

He's alien I tell you!

On a more serious note, in relation to S.D.'s post, I don't think that the similarities he pointed out are a coincidence. We all know that Manson and Eminem are not only friends, but share a lot of ideas, which they just present in different ways. My opinion is that all this might have been arranged.

-<me>-
07-20-2009, 06:21 PM
Amazing parallels S.D. I also note at 2.16 a severed left arm (sin) similar to the amputation shown in IDLTD video. The dismembered manequin in the hospital corridor reminds me of the last incarnation of MM.com.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w307/picatya/severedsinIDLTD.jpg

[god]speed
07-20-2009, 06:38 PM
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w307/picatya/3.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w307/picatya/marilynwater.jpg


Oddly Eminem's Reflection Looks alot like MM in the Bloodied Bath..

Maniac Master
07-21-2009, 10:14 AM
S.D. how do you find all those possible connections?
it's always great to read your texts. :)

Norsefire
07-21-2009, 03:02 PM
The Eminem stuff is interesting, thanks for posting all that.

sugarbaby
07-22-2009, 01:21 AM
There are no coincidences and these are all Universal Music Artists,Lady Gaga,Eminem,Marilyn Manson,others and they have reoccuring themes,even Britney Spears and Rihanna have done things that point to Marilyn Manson lately.
No coincidence.

S.D.
07-22-2009, 02:37 AM
Since identifying this comparison, I've been thinking a little more about the following image:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Eminem3AM.jpg


It occurs to me, that due to the thematic of a serial killer sustaining injuries in 3 A.M., it reflects differently on the chorus of Leave A Scar. If we consider that Eminem's hand laceration was due to him ineffectively attempting to kill someone, we see a different side to the lyric "Whatever doesn't kill you, is gonna leave a scar"... Much like the discourse between Evan Rachel Wood and Marilyn Manson in the Heart-Shaped Glasses video, the emphasis is on the difference in perspective of personal pronouns. The directive from Manson may not be that whatever doesn't kill the individual will leave a scar, but rather that what doesn't immediately kill the victim will leave a scar for the killer.

I'll respond to a few other points eventually, but I think there are some submissions other wanted to add first. Also, thank you for your thoughts sugarbaby, would you be able to provide any examples? I know there will be a flux of Lady Gaga comparisons made here soon, but I'm intrigued by some of the others you've mentioned.

Norsefire
07-22-2009, 04:47 PM
Not really imagery, but I feel it might fit in this thread best.

For a while now this has been in my head, because I see the logo for Amblin Entertainment everyday because it is on a poster on the back of my door, and I can't help but think of the new MM logo everytime I see it, it just reminds me of it.

It is not exactly the same, and some of you will probably think this is wacky, I sort of do myself, but I wanted to share it.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/herrdokterss/mm_amb_logo.jpg

S.D.
07-26-2009, 12:06 PM
I think it's quite fitting that this is the current logo for Hellfest:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Hellfest.jpg


Call Me A Hero?:-

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/LennonFromAmerica.jpg

The Hand
07-27-2009, 05:48 AM
Dude onstage with the cue cards is like Andy Warhol in that curiosity killed the cat video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laJgHVSiGzM

about 2:40

There's something else that used that & I really should know what it is

S.D.
07-27-2009, 09:21 AM
There's something else that used that & I really should know what it is

You're very likely thinking of Subterranean Homesick Blues by Bob Dylan (shown here in comparison with Misfit by Curiosity Killed The Cat):-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/DylanCuriosity.jpg


And then, a little closer to home, I Don't Like The Drugs (But The Drugs Like Me):-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Drugscard.jpg


Also, interesting to note is that the word "DRUGS" comes up on the flashcard at 1:05 in the latter music video...

The Hand
07-28-2009, 07:59 AM
You're very likely thinking of Subterranean Homesick Blues by Bob Dylan (shown here in comparison with Misfit by Curiosity Killed The Cat):-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/DylanCuriosity.jpg



I think Dylan is trying to tell me something

S.D.
07-28-2009, 09:12 AM
I think Dylan is trying to tell me something

I can't say I wasn't selective when I chose that specific part of the video...

spaceSuicide
07-30-2009, 02:54 PM
There's something else that used that & I really should know what it is

You're very likely thinking of Subterranean Homesick Blues by Bob Dylan (shown here in comparison with Misfit by Curiosity Killed The Cat):-

And then, a little closer to home, I Don't Like The Drugs (But The Drugs Like Me):-

Also, interesting to note is that the word "DRUGS" comes up on the flashcard at 1:05 in the latter music video...

Recently at Manson's shows on the mayhem Tour he has giant white flash cards he shifts through when he performs Arma-goddamn-motherfucking-geddon. The cards say "FUCK', 'EAT', 'KILL', and "ETC." respectively.

Lauren
08-05-2009, 01:40 PM
Came across this artist, reminds me of the Arma...geddon video.

http://www.brianmviveros.com/images/2008/dirtylandIII.jpg
Dirtyland III

Last Rites (http://www.brianmviveros.com/images/2008/lastRites.jpg)
Kiss My Helmet (http://www.brianmviveros.com/images/KissMyHelmet.jpg)
Dirtyland (http://www.brianmviveros.com/images/Dirtyland.jpg)

By Brian M. Viveros (http://www.brianmviveros.com/)

Anima XI
08-06-2009, 07:08 AM
I hope these parallels haven't already been mentioned...

Iggy Pop and MM
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/2510845/Iggy+Pop+iggypop.jpg
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/26052581/Marilyn+Manson+HEOL.jpg

Adam Ant and MM
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/69751/Adam+Ant.jpg
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/25873269/Marilyn+Manson+The+High+End+of+Low.jpg

The Empirical Guy
08-29-2009, 07:53 AM
Recently at Manson's shows on the mayhem Tour he has giant white flash cards he shifts through when he performs Arma-goddamn-motherfucking-geddon. The cards say "FUCK', 'EAT', 'KILL', and "ETC." respectively.

I also noticed today that on Dead To The World, there is a shot of a protester cycling through flash cards with different pro-christian messages written on them.

S.D.
09-11-2009, 05:17 AM
Knowing my personal love of alliteration, in relation to your observations Norsefire, it's worth noting of course that Amblin Entertainment is Steven Spielberg's company, also set up with Kathleen Kennedy. And whether coincidental or not, the "MA" highlighted in the Manson name is of course the same initials as Mechanical Animals, which deals with an alien creature at odds with humanity, much like E.T., who features in the same enlargened portion of the Amblin Entertainment logo. "A" and "E" are also the 1st and 5th letters of the alphabet. Nice observation, and not too wacky, I believe I saw a similar comparison with the Animal Planet (a curious combination of letters in relation to the album just mentioned...?) logo:-


http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8493/67360692.jpg


I forget whose that was originally, apologies.
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Also, this is interesting, I was considering the fact that Manson has said that The High End Of Low is the record he should have made with Twiggy after Holy Wood. Burning Flag (perhaps the most overtly political song on that album), features these lyrics:-

"We are all just stars and were waiting
We are all just scarred* and we're hating
We are all just stars on your burning flag"

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/IntoTheFire.jpg


And Manson is currently wearing the American flag for live performances of We're From America. Considering that the flag is "burning", does that mean America has gone Into The Fire...?

*Leave A Scar
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Here are some thoughts on the recent MySpace stills Manson has posted:-


"Drown in our blood"

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/bloodnose.jpg



Manson in (s)AINT, and a new imagel from Running To The Edge Of The World.


Also, I am reminded of the link between featured "lookalikes" and music videos. Justin Timberlake used a Britney Spears lookalike for his Cry Me A River video, and was dressed in dark hood, behaving like a stalker (rapist werewolf?):-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/river.jpg

Justin Timberlake - Cry Me A River


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7p4mioawIA

"You're not crying, this is blood all over me"

-<me>-
09-11-2009, 05:25 AM
"Drown in our blood"

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/bloodnose.jpg
Manson in (s)AINT, and a new still from Running To The Edge Of The World.


wow, she really does look like Evan.

S.Hal0mega.B
09-11-2009, 05:57 AM
wow, she really does look like Evan.

even more so does she look like Evan in one of the pics you see of this girl in the thread SD made in the news section if you've not already checked it out. Nice work guys as usual.

The Empirical Guy
09-13-2009, 04:44 AM
I'm going to remove myself from blame by saying I saw this clip on tv this morning. It's "We Are Golden" by Mika. Unfortunately I was unable to find a still frame capture of the part that caught my attention, so if you're like me and the song isn't to your tastes, jump ahead to the 3:00 mark on the video. Familiar?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Gh1U14RZA

Jakob Synn
09-19-2009, 10:15 AM
I've been curious about this particular comparison, it seems appropriate in a lot of different ways,

That's a fucking crazy find! My hat goes off to you sir. I give you a one-man standing ovation.

Anima XI
09-22-2009, 12:16 PM
Sorry for the stupid questions:

1. Empirical Guy what exactly are you trying to parallel? The lasers? Sorry =P

2. Jakob is that Rihanna in the first picture?

The Empirical Guy
09-23-2009, 04:06 AM
Sorry for the stupid questions:

1. Empirical Guy what exactly are you trying to parallel? The lasers? Sorry =P

2. Jakob is that Rihanna in the first picture?

Yes, sorry I should have been more clear. Manson can be seen with small lasers on his fingers in the director's cut of the Armageddon video.

Anima XI
09-25-2009, 12:34 AM
Yes, sorry I should have been more clear. Manson can be seen with small lasers on his fingers in the director's cut of the Armageddon video.

Ah, I'd forgotten about the lasers in that version. Thanks.

Lauren
11-25-2009, 02:38 PM
http://i49.tinypic.com/10mptax.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/2dw7n9d.jpg

http://assets.madame.lefigaro.fr/images/photo_set_item/picture/000/037/040/5hum15/HC-_33c.jpg
Hussein Chalayan Spring 2008 RTW

Tinuviel
12-20-2009, 02:04 PM
I just watched Shrek and the Dreamworks intro clip made me think of those black balloons that have been used during Coma White / Coma Black.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgDMEnatijw


Norsefire took a great picture of the balloons:
http://www.celebritarian.co.uk/n17/n13.jpg


I'm sure that's a trivial comparison but it still goes along with the whole movie theme.

Peaches
12-30-2009, 07:09 PM
I looked through this thread a little and didn't see anyone post this, so i hope I'm not reposting...

John 5, picture taken in February 2008.
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs26/f/2008/118/f/9/f922dab39aed6186121285593f6d0f07.jpg

Marilyn Manson, picture taken in 2009.
http://i45.tinypic.com/29ehqpu.jpg

spaceSuicide
12-30-2009, 07:50 PM
I noticed that, Peaches. I also always believed the photoshoots and look of Requiem reeked of Marilyn Manson imagery and styles.

The Empirical Guy
01-01-2010, 06:02 AM
Wow Peaches, those photos are really similar. I hadn't seen the J5 one before.

Shangri-LIE
02-28-2010, 06:11 PM
"The Better of Two Evils"

"God is dead, but God is still white" - "Put on your black face and your God is gone".

http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./Mirrors.jpghttp://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:2pgZsuMYMmoTWM:http://wallpaper.metalship.org/images/the-golden-age-of-grotesque2.jpg

Mary
03-06-2010, 11:33 PM
This photo of Manson always reminded me of The Lovers by René Magritte.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2d7y0b7.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/amsa61.jpg

Norsefire
03-09-2010, 01:46 PM
^ That is pretty awesome. Great post!

S.D.
03-11-2010, 03:13 PM
This photo of Manson always reminded me of The Lovers by René Magritte.

Thank you for posting this, I am glad you did, I think it's a really nice comparison. Can you tell us anything more about the painting? I think I've seen it in a few books over the years, but I've never read any information on it at all. The theme of suffocation seemed to be prevalent throughout The High End Of Low, both images remind me of having your breathing restricted.
Also, some people mused that the cover image for Armageddon, released in full form (Image .018 HERE (http://www.providermodule.com/gallery/index.html)) shows Manson with the shadow of a gallows behind him. For some executions it was custom to place a blindfold or white shawl similar to those in the painting over the head of the person being hung or beheaded, both pictures put me in mind of this. Obviously hanging is death by strangulation also.

Thank you also Favenris for the Purple Rain parallel, grand stuff. I remember when EAT ME, DRINK ME came out, someone also pointed out that Manson's heart eyes are really similar to Human League album artwork, I think it was the insert for a best of collection, so if anyone remembers that, or it was theirs, please repost, I thought it might be here somewhere but I couldn't find it in any threads.

Also, I have been racking my brains since The High End Of Low was released, trying to work out what the picture of Manson and Twiggy together reminded me of. It's just an angling thing, no big crazy theory or anything like that, but today I worked out what it was:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./TwoFaces.png


The first image is from circa 1994, Pogo and Manson collecting an award at some function or other. I expect it's simply the general height difference and positions they're in for both pictures, but I'm at least glad it isn't annoying me anymore. Obviously there are plenty of other pictures of Manson where he is stood at this angle, I imagine the fact he has a similar expression and because it hadn't been since around the time of the first image that Manson had grown out his eyebrows they look alike. Strange how these curiosities crop up.
There is another that's lurking in this topic somewhere, two similar poses divided by the years: http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/3-1.jpg

Norsefire
03-12-2010, 05:00 PM
Nice find with that theol/pogo pic comparison.

That blue theol pic has always reminded me of another Manson photo, when I first saw the booklet I thought the manson half of the photo seemed familiar to another photo, but I have never come across whatever the photo is that makes the theol photo familiar.

Mary
03-20-2010, 02:34 AM
This photo of Manson always reminded me of The Lovers by René Magritte.


http://i41.tinypic.com/2d7y0b7.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/amsa61.jpg


Thank you for posting this, I am glad you did, I think it's a really nice comparison. Can you tell us anything more about the painting? I think I've seen it in a few books over the years, but I've never read any information on it at all. The theme of suffocation seemed to be prevalent throughout The High End Of Low, both images remind me of having your breathing restricted.

The artist often wanted to leave the interpretation of his work up to the viewer, so there's no proper explanation for it. The idea I have about it, which seems to be the most popular is the one of 'Blind Love'. Even though they are engaging in a kiss, The Lovers appear mysterious underneath the white cloth limiting their sense of identity to one another, meaning that behind the feeling of love, the identity of your lover may forever remain a mystery.
An influence that could coincide with the idea of suffocation as you said was the suicide of Rene's mother, (who wrapped her white nightdress over her head), which could represent the white cloth in this painting, again possibly coinciding with the idea of mysteriousness, a suffocation of identity?
All this being said, I wasn't able to see it connecting to Manson's work other than being a coincidental visual parallel, but I thought I'd post it anyway. :/



Seems a bit fucking obvious when you think about it...


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./PortraitDeceit.png



Nice find! It's nice to know Manson also takes inspiration from himself.

S.D.
03-22-2010, 02:21 PM
The idea I have about it, which seems to be the most popular is the one of 'Blind Love'. Even though they are engaging in a kiss, The Lovers appear mysterious underneath the white cloth limiting their sense of identity to one another, meaning that behind the feeling of love, the identity of your lover may forever remain a mystery.
An influence that could coincide with the idea of suffocation as you said was the suicide of Rene's mother, (who wrapped her white nightdress over her head), which could represent the white cloth in this painting, again possibly coinciding with the idea of mysteriousness, a suffocation of identity?I think you could definitely associate this idea with Manson's themes, even if the comparison is a personal one - "Every time I kill you, I'm really just killing myself" - Identity and trust also, were mentioned during THEOL, he did an interview with The Guardian and said the following:-
What keeps you awake at night?
The fear that someone next to me is judging me while I'm sleeping.
That puts me in mind of what you said about not knowing the true identity of a lover, unless they are your "twin", of course.
I'm still really intrigued by this veil motif in The High End Of Low, as yet I have seen no consolidated theory behind it, so all suggestions are interesting to me. I like the fact that it was used for the Running To The Edge Of The World video as well, in the topic analysing that video here, I said it looked similar to the wedding veil in the Sweet Dreams video. I get the feeling it's one we'll be left speculating on though, it adds to the atmosphere of THEOL. I personally think it's supposed to evoke the idea of a religious veil, I remember when images for the record started surfacing, I saw parallel in these two pictures:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./Sheet.jpg


The Bible uses the veil as metaphor for a curtain - like the Running video, Manson seems almost to be confessing to the camera behind a veil, like a confession booth (seen in the Personal Jesus video) - sometimes of knowledge. I think this was derived from the Temple curtains being ripped apart, perhaps symbolising the sanctity of internal places, Manson mentioned not leaving the house for months during THEOL's creation. The conclusion I'd be most inclined towards would be Christ's white shroud in the tomb - "We built this tomb together".


http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5815/christ.png


Thank you also for sharing Frau Dietrich, I have seen your submissions at Babalon, but nice also for users here to experience them.

timoldbean
03-22-2010, 03:03 PM
from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMOTOXtGXiE&playnext_from=TL&videos=Ihy9tybUJyI&playnext=1

this snippet from a bowie tour (which one?) reminded me strongly of high end of low tour for obvious reasons. what the photo doesn't make clear is a guy constantly adjusting the onstage light on bowie, similar to mm.

http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/timoldbean/db2.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/timoldbean/db1.jpg

Norsefire
03-22-2010, 03:39 PM
^ wow now that is some cool stuff, thanks for sharing.

S.D.
03-22-2010, 03:43 PM
That's excellent Tim, thank you for this. The tour that video is from is Diamond Dogs . There is a section covering The Rape Of The World at The Nachtkabarett that compares Manson wearing boxing attire in 2007 with Bowie in a similar outfit from that tour, though nothing has been written yet about the Diamond Dogs tour in relation to The High End Of Low.
The boxing gloves Bowie wore were also red leather effect, like the ones Manson has in Mary's Visual Parallel:-


http://i41.tinypic.com/2d7y0b7.jpg

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/bowie_boxing.jpg


The use of the clapper-board and the lighting fixtures in the pictures you have there are almost identical to Manson's, thank you again for the screens.

timoldbean
03-23-2010, 01:29 PM
Thanks, it's an interesting comparison which sprang up - not being well versed in bowie.

Mary
04-20-2010, 06:11 AM
Reminds me of Dali in this.

http://i41.tinypic.com/14uygd1.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/14cec9e.jpg

Ich_Bin_Du
04-20-2010, 06:22 AM
http://i41.tinypic.com/14uygd1.jpg


http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/1584/dalibart.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/dalibart.jpg/)

First thing I thought of when I saw the Coby-poster.

Alexandra
04-20-2010, 03:56 PM
Speaking of Dali...

http://i41.tinypic.com/jrvhw9.jpg

Great Big White World


http://i42.tinypic.com/143qio9.jpg

Geopoliticus Child Watching the Birth of the New Man


With The High End of Low we've seen Manson's rebirth as well as his more humane side, which the most recent MM font stressing out "MAN" might suggest.
I hope this hasn't been mentioned yet.

Norsefire
04-21-2010, 07:42 AM
^ that is a really cool take on it. I don't think I have seen it mentioned before either.

S.D.
04-21-2010, 11:39 AM
Reminds me of Dali in this.


First thing I thought of when I saw the Coby-poster.

I mentioned Mary's use of Dali's Skull in the Science Vs. Magic topic at Babalon, and Rudy commented that yes, the Dali influence was an accurate conclusion to arrive at for insipration on Manson's costume. It's only a small detail, but I also think in accordance with the "Science" part, the rings you can see on the poster are supposed to represent a variation of radio waves, or atomic waves. It's the sort of image you get in science fiction a lot:-


http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9224/wavei.png


It reminds me a little of Metropolis also:-


http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8761/metropolishel.png



Obviously it fits in with the Labman persona, because effectively Coby's show is about presenting Magic as Science, rather than Science Vs. Magic. I also like that there was a medieval confusion surrounding Alchemy, as Alchemists were often mistaken as practicing Magics. And, Marilyn Manson Is An Alchemical Man, so he encapsulates Science and Magic also.
I remember the birthday message from Coby to Manson in 2009, he said "Happy Birthday to the greatest Magician of them all!", so it's quite fiting that Manson's a magician opposite him in this, I wonder who will win...

And Alexandra, that is an excellent comparison, thank you for sharing. Incidentally, taking a closer look at that painting shows another Dali stylistic influence Manson might have been referencing:-


http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4719/ribs.png


Note the jutting hip bones on both, sunken chest and the layering effect of the skin around the bones of the ribs.

Alexandra
04-21-2010, 12:40 PM
That's a brilliant observation, the layering effect is especially interesting in those two. I wouldn't have noticed that myself, so thank you.

Frau Dietrich
04-24-2010, 10:20 AM
Speaking of Dali...http://i42.tinypic.com/143qio9.jpg

Geopoliticus Child Watching the [I]Birth of the [I]New Man
That's interesting!
I instantly thought of this when I saw the painting of Dali you posted:
http://www.manson-morgue.de/Bilder%20Neu/HW/hw2.jpg

Norsefire
05-10-2010, 05:20 PM
When I saw that new photo on facebook of MM's writing across the door I was instantly reminded of my fav film, The Shining.


http://www.celebritarian.co.uk/mm_shining.jpg

Norsefire
07-07-2010, 04:07 PM
I got a book of Polaroid photography, flicking through it I saw this pic of Andy Warhol. I'm not saying Manson was inspired by this or anything, I just thought they looked similar - it reminded me of MM's pic anyway.


http://i27.tinypic.com/5vdi6a.jpg

The Empirical Guy
07-14-2010, 02:36 AM
Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy.

There's a shot at 3:53 that immediately reminded me of the "isolation chamber" used for Great Big White World during THEOL tour (http://www.nachtkabarett.com/TheHighEndOfLow/Live#isolation).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Az_7U0-cK0&NR=1

The Empirical Guy
03-14-2011, 03:55 AM
So, with Avril Lavigne, and now this, I just want to stress these are not normally musicians I follow or involve myself with. I'm honestly just stumbling upon this stuff by accident.

Kylie Minogue's latest video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReF0RNym6l4

The lasers
http://static.gigwise.com/artists/Image/200marilyn_laser.jpg

The red gloves
http://www.manson.com.br/wp-content/gallery/the-high-end-of-low/marilyn-manson-the-high-end-of-low-31.jpg

The disembodied mouths (lip-syncing in the background)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXHhSQQNGQ8

S.D.
04-28-2011, 08:47 AM
I didn't know this even though I'm a fan of Queen Adreena, thanks for sharing :)
Not a problem. Nick Kushner was recently looking for another Radio One interview during Holy Wood, and although I didn't have what he was looking for, I did find the one I mentioned before on a cassette tape, so I will be transcribing that soon. I'll let you know when there's a copy online.

The Perou shoot Manson did that's on his current website reminds me of Heath Ledger's promotional image as The Joker in The Dark Knight.


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./joker.png http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./joker_mm.png

ThreeEyedGod
04-28-2011, 11:42 AM
^also this.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/RatMessiah/manson_twin_peaks_shirt.jpg

S.D.
04-29-2011, 03:30 AM
^also this.
Very nice! I presume you know all the Richard Kern studio shots with the same makeup? The smeared red was used onstage a lot during Portrait Of An American Family as well.

A member called Triz Darmon back on The Heirophant actually noticed that a recent comic book artist had based their rendering of The Joker on one of Manson's EAT ME, DRINK ME pictures:-


http://static.diary.ru/userdir/9/2/3/0/92300/38518753.jpg


I think that's brilliant! I also thought there were some tangible connections with The Joker in The Dark Knight - his whole personalisation of "What doesn't kill you" in light of Leave A Scar, and the obvious scarring he has. Joker setting fire to the money in correlation with Manson's use of the dollar sign and Into The Fire struck me also. As ever, I'm not saying there was a definite connection, merely noting similarities.

There's also this, which someone has posted in the topic already, but unfortunately I don't know who it was (please remind us if you're reading!):-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/joker_killing.png
BATMAN: THE KILLING JOKE [1988]

http://www.providermodule.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_THEOL_Promotional_55.jpg
MARILYN MANSON • THE HIGH END OF LOW [2009]

Ich_Bin_Du
04-30-2011, 10:38 AM
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/RatMessiah/manson_twin_peaks_shirt.jpg

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/7901/unbenanntfob.jpg (http://img546.imageshack.us/i/unbenanntfob.jpg/)

The Empirical Guy
02-15-2013, 07:40 AM
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but the extreme close up on the face, extended to the point where it is uncomfortable for the viewer seemed familiar:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrBDWvwYhKs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUiTQvT0W_0

S.D.
07-08-2013, 04:31 AM
The cover art for Gary Glitter's 1987 album, Boys Will Be Boys, and Marilyn Manson wearing laser gloves during The High End Of Low:-


http://www.providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./glitter_boys.png

http://www.providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./mm_laser.png

Any excuse for one of my favourite things Manson's ever said, seriously:-


"He appeared to be someone's dad, yet dressed up like a gay space pirate.
My hat's off to Gary Glitter, my pants are off as well."
MM . 1998

AssetReign
07-08-2013, 10:50 AM
^ He's probably rethinking that quote since Glitter's arrest last year, or maybe he saw into the future and foretold it. <tic>

Shangri-LIE
07-08-2013, 10:55 AM
^ He's probably rethinking that quote since Glitter's arrest last year, or maybe he saw into the future and foretold it. <tic>

I am willing to bet that he saw into the future and foretold it. That's the only logical explanation.

Gloominatus
07-08-2013, 12:47 PM
I love that almost every Manson album has had a Gary Glitter throwback song: "Rock is Dead," "Disposable Teens," and "Arma-Etc." are all directly Gary Glitter homages, "Mutilation . . ." is actually pretty close to miming Glitter, and even "The Love Song" is like a slowed down "Do You Wanna Touch Me?" Depeche Mode and Rob Zombie have also done their own Gary Glitter impressions. He's become like the go-to source for when anyone needs a goth-glam anthem.

S.D.
07-09-2013, 05:07 AM
^ He's probably rethinking that quote since Glitter's arrest last year
Not at all, the quote was in reference to Glitter's original 1997 arrest and subsequent prosecution for possessing illegal <b></b>pornography<b></b> on his computer. Glitter was re-arrested last year as part of Operation Yewtree following the Jimmy Savile scandal, but if there's a spot reserved for 'OG' sex criminal, before Townshend and all the rest, Glitter was the first high-profile celebrity caught in the act. As ever, Manson was courting controversy, or just speaking his mind, whichever seems more likely.
That's one of the things I find most intriguing about Marilyn Manson, actually, that there was a worldwide outcry when he was wrongly accused of influencing murder, but when people actually use his name to commit unspeakable acts, or he says something unsavoury himself, no one bats an eyelid. Regardless, I don't think a man who later based most of an album on Lolita has a problem making jokes about Gary Glitter.

The Empirical Guy
07-09-2013, 05:10 AM
Gary Glitter is certainly glad that boys will be boys, he's certainly disappointed when they grow up and become men.

Shangri-LIE
07-09-2013, 09:08 AM
All that Gary glitters is not that old.

AssetReign
07-09-2013, 11:16 AM
Not at all, the quote was in reference to Glitter's original 1997 arrest and subsequent prosecution for possessing illegal <b></b>pornography<b></b> on his computer. Glitter was re-arrested last year as part of Operation Yewtree following the Jimmy Savile scandal, but if there's a spot reserved for 'OG' sex criminal, before Townshend and all the rest, Glitter was the first high-profile celebrity caught in the act. As ever, Manson was courting controversy, or just speaking his mind, whichever seems more likely.
That's one of the things I find most intriguing about Marilyn Manson, actually, that there was a worldwide outcry when he was wrongly accused of influencing murder, but when people actually use his name to commit unspeakable acts, or he says something unsavoury himself, no one bats an eyelid. Regardless, I don't think a man who later based most of an album on Lolita has a problem making jokes about Gary Glitter.

I think maybe you missed the <tongue in cheek> part of my post. ;)

kk_15
08-21-2014, 03:22 AM
David Bowie in the 1979 music video for "Look Back in Anger":

http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/kk_151/1stDB_zps3527f24d.jpg (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/kk_151/media/1stDB_zps3527f24d.jpg.html)

He's touching a painting of an angel.
After which this happens,

http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/kk_151/2ndDB_zps42aa297b.jpg (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/kk_151/media/2ndDB_zps42aa297b.jpg.html)

Could this be related to MM's opening lyrics to "Leave a Scar"?
'I'm just a painting that's still wet, if you touch me I'll be smeared and you'll be stained...'

blue angel
08-21-2014, 05:10 AM
David Bowie in the 1979 music video for "Look Back in Anger":



He's touching a painting of an angel.
After which this happens,



Could this be related to MM's opening lyrics to "Leave a Scar"?
'I'm just a painting that's still wet, if you touch me I'll be smeared and you'll be stained...'

That's great thinking, I never connected this, it's not a far cry.

Terrapin
01-14-2015, 04:57 AM
Black balloons. Umbrella. Tunnel.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9mhsW5aWJM

Tom does a "magnifying glass mouth" of sorts in the video which also feels Manson-esque ala "The Beautiful People."

Celluloidholes
07-09-2017, 11:46 AM
In the Get Your Gunn vid it shows Manson wearing a witches costume (I can't really tell, it's probably something else and I can't remember) and it really reminds me of another one he wore in the Arma-goddamn-motherfuckin-geddon video.

Maybe it's got something to do with the fact that the Get Your Gunn video was censored.

mr.svperstar13
08-17-2020, 11:33 PM
The album cover is definitely an homage to Dario Argento's Inferno right? We already know Manson loves Suspiria.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMmRiYjg5YTEtOTdlMi00MDM5LTk4OTEtNWU3MWNhNzI0NW Y4XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzIwNDY4NDI@._V1_UY1200_CR121,0, 630,1200_AL_.jpg

S.D.
08-23-2020, 04:09 PM
The album cover is definitely an homage to Dario Argento's Inferno right? We already know Manson loves Suspiria.
Great stuff, but would possibly argue the mask he wore during Born Villain has more of a resemblance...


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/R5I04SkC6dPvNQWdLWQ-wEJNfjl-OxUg0fBf0yXo3mRQeK6NcnDBDyne7pBGfUObtL29j3TQL9_ruL xGVHbktaDiUTlACXnAuykMNkvZtEoAkxQyd6IuMUYc23N9-lff_T2__Flef08