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The Hand
06-24-2009, 12:34 AM
The layouts & typefaces used in GAOG are reminiscent of Voluptuous Panic by Mel Gordon, which I later found out inspired the album to begin with, so there ye go. A decent book from the super hip Feral House.

Childcatcher from chitty chitty bang bang/SLC cover, aladdin sane/MA, blah blah

Also this is a really weird one that I have never heard anyone else mention - There are diagrams in the Holy Wood booklet that also appear in the booklet for "Machina" by the Pumpkins... The alchemical ones specifically

S.D.
06-24-2009, 12:37 AM
Also this is a really weird one that I have never heard anyone else mention - There are diagrams in the Holy Wood booklet that also appear in the booklet for "Machina" by the Pumpkins... The alchemical ones specifically

I believe that there is some links made between those in things that have been submitted at The Nachtkabarett main site. Essentially they both draw from the same alchemical sources, though I am not certain how far Billy Corgan has invested himself into the concepts outside of that album.

The Hand
06-24-2009, 01:18 AM
Probably not at all, just using the concept of alchemy for thematic resonance or something, egghead probably thinks of himself as gold that he has created using the alchemy of his art, maan

Norsefire
06-30-2009, 07:28 AM
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/herrdokterss/mmm.jpg
Marilyn Manson / Groucho Marx


http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/herrdokterss/dt_b2.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/herrdokterss/dt_b1.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/herrdokterss/hm_f2.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/herrdokterss/hm_f1.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/herrdokterss/dt_f2.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/herrdokterss/hm_h1.jpg

Disposable Teens / Holy Mountain

S.D.
06-30-2009, 07:34 AM
I think the Groucho Marx image is fantastic Norsefire, thank you for putting it up. There was some stuff on The Beatles I was going to mention, which reminds me, do you still have the images from your Jim Morrison comparison?

Norsefire
06-30-2009, 07:45 AM
I think the Groucho Marx image is fantastic Norsefire, thank you for putting it up. There was some stuff on The Beatles I was going to mention, which reminds me, do you still have the images from your Jim Morrison comparison?

I might have, I am on my laptop right now and its new so I don't have much on it, I had those above saved in my photobucket account. I had actually forgot about that one though. I should have some others somewhere.

Maniac Master
06-30-2009, 08:50 AM
Marilyn Manson / Groucho Marx

nice find, that's an obvious one.
great picture.^^

S.D.
07-19-2009, 01:17 PM
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/MickeyHitler.jpg


This image was used as the cover for a book called Mickey Mouse, Hitler, and Nazi Germany - How Disney's Characters Conquered The Third Reich, by an author called Carsten Laqua. Interesting to note is that another of Laqua's books was a collaboration entitled Donald Duck ...Und Die Ente Ist Mensch Geworden, alongside none other than Gottfried Helnwein...

Norsefire
07-19-2009, 02:12 PM
Nice find S.D.

Procrastinator
09-17-2009, 03:00 PM
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/27/dali_soldier_warning.jpg

Soldier Take Warning by Salvador Dali

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/OUOSelKCz1M/hqdefault.jpg

Doppelherz

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nk_mobscene_siamese2.jpg

mOBSCENE

Also, after a little observaion, I noticed that the twins draw an M. And not just any 'M'....

http://www.finalbeast.com/marilynmanson/significados/imagenes/mm_logo_tm_gaog.jpg

Jakob Synn
09-19-2009, 01:19 PM
Manson & Rihanna comparison

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1225/rhiannacopy.jpg

http://www.goodrock.com/store/images/Product/medium/p6247.jpg

spaceSuicide
09-19-2009, 05:23 PM
^ Yeah, I noticed that. That was on the premiere Jay Leno Show episode.

Jakob Synn
09-22-2009, 03:03 PM
Yes. It was from her performance on the Jay Leno show with Jay-Z and Kanye West last week.

S.D.
09-23-2009, 04:40 AM
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1225/rhiannacopy.jpg

http://www.goodrock.com/store/images/Pr ... /p6247.jpg (http://www.goodrock.com/store/images/Product/medium/p6247.jpg)


Daron Malakian, guitarist with System Of A Down, was photographed wearing a similar cap a few years ago, images of which are pesky to find:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/Malakian.jpg


Manzin has also been photographed wearing a comparable version, and claims that the hat and its variations are Masonic in origin:-

http://www.manzin.net/portfolio/i/maril ... 1-full.jpg (http://www.manzin.net/portfolio/i/marilyn%20chen/chair-mc-portrait1-full.jpg)

Though that said, you'd think Manson would have been more inclined to sport something closer to this one...


http://www.nvo.com/lauterer/nss-folder/pictures/C657Pweb.jpg

Norsefire
09-23-2009, 06:28 AM
I think the hat Manzin has in that photo is similar to one Dita Von Teese wore once.

spaceSuicide
01-04-2010, 08:29 AM
Someone mentioned a painting by brian m Viveros before me but I think this one is more noteworthy.


Dirtyland

http://i45.tinypic.com/szcprs.jpg

in correlation to:

http://www.providermodule.com/videography/images/arma/24.jpg

and

http://www.providermodule.com/videography/images/people/26.jpg

-

Hi, Alice!

http://iheartau.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/alice_cooper.jpg

even though I couldn't find the exact photo with Manson having the mic to his throat it's still obvious it lies with this

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/manson4.jpg

ThreeEyedGod
01-22-2010, 02:40 PM
Winslow from "Phantom of the Paradise"
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/RatMessiah/phantom1preview.jpg

and Manson from TGAOG era
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/RatMessiah/marilyn-manson-12.jpg

Komakino
01-26-2010, 02:57 AM
http://x46.xanga.com/e6bf570642d32249445222/w197906674.jpg
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nk_degenerate_minidita.jpg
Homunculi?

spaceSuicide
01-26-2010, 05:00 AM
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nk_degenerate_minidita.jpg
Homunculi?

I've never seen that before. O_o

Tinuviel
01-26-2010, 05:46 AM
^ Me neither! Thanks for posting!

It's always interesting to browse through this thread.

spaceSuicide
07-03-2010, 12:33 PM
is it just me or are these REALLY similar?

Both are blurry with vibrant hues.


http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00009EPWZ.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/images/f/f4/PEROU10.jpg

Dysmorphia
08-06-2010, 04:58 AM
I have not seen this posted before but I think that there is a striking similarity between the work of Fluxus artist Robert Watts and the outfits worn by the Siamese twins in the Mobscene video. The Fluxus movement was about anti-art, and so I feel that the appropriation of Watts’ work might have been intended.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn255/leash_boettcher/RobertWatts.jpg
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn255/leash_boettcher/obsequey.jpg
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn255/leash_boettcher/nk_mobscene_siamese2.jpg

I do apologise on the size of the comparison image, I have spent hours looking for a better one. As soon as I locate a better image, I’ll put it up.

Anima XI
08-20-2010, 12:50 PM
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but this Dali painting (which I unfortunately don't know the name of):

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/optical_illusions_3.jpg

Seems to me to bear a striking resemblance to Phantasmagoria's Tweedledum and Tweedledee. Especially that image of them pulling up their dresses just like in the painting (does anyone have that image, I couldn't find it?)

S.D.
09-08-2010, 08:01 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but this Dali painting (which I unfortunately don't know the name of): http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/optical_illusions_3.jpg

Seems to me to bear a striking resemblance to Phantasmagoria's Tweedledum and Tweedledee. Especially that image of them pulling up their dresses just like in the painting (does anyone have that image, I couldn't find it?)
The painting is called Soldier Take Warning, Procrastinator posted this once before in relation to the Doppelherz twins, who look fairly similar, and I made a visual of the Tweedles also, but honestly, it was a long time ago so I understand it not being something people immediately remember. Here are the posts:-

Dali. 1 (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php?1200-Visual-Parallels&p=44982&viewfull=1#post44982)
Dali. 2 (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php?1200-Visual-Parallels&p=49297&viewfull=1#post49297)

Also, here's something fun, I just posted this to Rudy Coby's Facebook, seems it was Nikki Terminator lying in the back of Manson's room during The High End Of Low:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/nikki_theol.png

Norsefire
09-09-2010, 09:20 AM
^ I saw that, I think it's great. Nice find/connection with that.

Mary
12-22-2010, 11:07 PM
Found a couple of fashion designers who have incorporated Manson-esque Mouse ear caps into their collections.

These Comme Des Garcons ones look very similar to Mansons, I wonder if they were designed by him?

http://i54.tinypic.com/2dmiln7.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/23kr81f.png

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http://i56.tinypic.com/2mopoax.jpg


These are a little different as they're placed on army helmuts, but I thought I'd share them anyway. (Designed by Jeremy Scott)

http://i54.tinypic.com/25uk6lz.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2vv6g49.jpg

ThreeEyedGod
12-23-2010, 04:09 PM
^The first two looks like the ear caps were painted on with MS paint.

Procrastinator
02-09-2011, 06:25 PM
In addition to Mary's last post:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_S-o-8ZBwaEo/StPI4WD4ZOI/AAAAAAAABJo/2Grypm_Vpcw/s400/006.jpg/bmi_orig_img/006.jpg

^ I accidentaly found this image while looking at pictures of Madonna. And yes, I like her.

suphiafilos
09-04-2012, 12:15 PM
Dali painting:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fGbNjy2kz9I/TNl9TeIM20I/AAAAAAAAJio/bI-QbFbsT4U/s1600/walt_disney_salvado_dali.jpg


Manson photo:

http://blog.schenkermerkli.ch/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/manson-mickey.jpg

S.D.
12-26-2012, 06:28 AM
There is a Washington-based theatre awards ceremony named after the American actress Helen Hayes. Hayes was known as 'The First Lady Of American Theatre' due to her tenure on the boards from childhood throughout the rest of her adult life.
Amongst a long and varied career both on screen and on stage (acting since age ten or so) , she apparently appeared in a production called The Golden Age in 1919 - see Helen Hayes: The Character's Actor (http://fan.tcm.com/_Helen-Hayes-The-Character39s-Actor/blog/6165623/66470.html) - and would later work with Sidney Toler in a play he wrote called The Golden Days.

The awards ceremony in her name was established in 1983, which is twenty years before Marilyn Manson released The Golden Age Of Grotesque, and ten years before Hayes' death in 1993.
This is the awards seal, which features on the physical award itself, and which I feel is comparable to the 'MM' logo Manson created for the aforementioned album:-


http://www.providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./hh_awards_logo.jpg http://www.providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./mm_golden_logo.jpg

They're quite similar, no? Yes, of course I know about the Sigsrune, NON, and entertainment influences for the MM logo, but this was something I stumbled on and thought it made for another interesting comparison. Considering this woman was alive and active during nearly every decade of the twentieth century prior to the millennium, which is the transitional period The Golden Age Of Grotesque very much observed, it's not infeasible to think Manson may have at least been aware of her presence, or the awards logo when compiling his album.

Norsefire
12-26-2012, 09:20 AM
Great find S.D.!

The similarities in the logo's are great!

S.D.
03-05-2013, 08:32 AM
Annie Lennox (who I shouldn't need to introduce), and Marilyn Manson during The Golden Age Of Grotesque. The Lennox photograph is from a series of images taken for her version of Bob Marley's Waiting In Vain, part of the covers album Medusa [1995]. I'd recommend watching the song's music video as well, Manson's favourite location of the domestic space is used heavily, along with visual elements such as a birdcage and multiple 'versions' of Lennox (remember Manson's polarised white/black mouse portraits).


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./lennox_vain.png http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./manson_mouse.png

Interesting that Lennox's use of Mickey Mouse ears was the same year as Manson successfully covered Sweet Dreams, also. If you wanted to over-analyse, there's also the fact that Lennox is a white female, and Marley was a black male, seguing well into Manson's name and use of blackface in the Grotesque photographs.


This probably wasn't deliberate, but as soon as I saw this David Bowie picture (I don't know where the original photo is, or even if there is on): http://www.terminartors.com/files/artworks/4/7/7/47739/Murphy_Peter-David_Bowie_Starman.jpgI thought of this: http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/369/065/369065242_640.jpg

It would be neat if that were the inspiration, but the painting of Bowie is composite, in the original photographs featuring his 'astral portal' makeup, there's no halo behind him.
It's based on this:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./bowie_astral_portal_two.jpg

Ka-boom
02-09-2014, 04:34 PM
Possibly his most dangerous album given the timescale upon it's release, one that many dismiss as being too poppy or mainstream but that was the whole point of it!

NightChameleons
08-10-2014, 09:00 PM
Manson & Rihanna comparison

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1225/rhiannacopy.jpg

http://www.goodrock.com/store/images/Product/medium/p6247.jpg

This is actually a Masonic Knights Templar cap. I was given one when I joined the order. They're quite cool!

S.D.
06-09-2015, 04:40 AM
John Lydon being chauffeured around during This Is Not A Love Song reminds me of Manson's arrival in the car during This Is The New Shit. I suppose both songs starting with a declaration of This Is... reflects nicely as well.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az_GCJnXAI0

Procrastinator
05-27-2017, 10:03 AM
Fearing a chemical attack from the Germans the United States government distributed over 40 million gas masks to men, women, and children during WWII.

However, since adult masks were too heavy and frightening for children to wear, Disney helped to create a mask for kids that looked like his popular cartoon character Mickey Mouse.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/22/article-2346655-1A756949000005DC-797_634x743.jpg


Seen as there is a child and Mickey Mouse ears in the GOAOG promo photography, I thought it would've been kinda cool if Manson somehow incorporated this gas mask into it if it weren't for the copyright issues. There was several different designs for these masks and they look pretty creepy on a child also...

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--erJGpIde--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18ru65lrtrtgejpg.jpg

cataract777
05-27-2017, 03:32 PM
^ Would have been creepy and very cool for imagery indeed! Cool find.

Nemoris Inferioris
06-01-2017, 10:17 AM
Definite;y seems like something Helnwein would do, since he has used many Disney characters in his paintings/ photography.