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Ada Veen
06-24-2009, 05:18 AM
From Terry Gilliam movie *Tideland*.
http://www.peterreichet.com/tideland6.jpg

http://www.peterreichet.com/art-cropfailure.jpg

[god]speed
10-06-2009, 07:05 AM
This thread is intended to look deeper into what is in my opinion one of the most overlooked and underanalyzed piece of Manson's body of work, The Gallery of Art. While looking into Romanticism, I stumbled across this piece entitled Sodom and Gomorrah By John Martin which immediately grabbed my attention and I thought of the painting, The Last Day On Earth.


http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/John_Martin.jpg

http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/images/d/de/LastDayOnEarth.jpghttp://www.marilynmansonimages.com/images/art/2002show/art-lastdayonearth.jpg

The Arch over the Destruction of the city seems to be a common element in both paintings, Perhaps in the Manson painting the Character is the element to be destroyed, as he is about to arrive into Sodom.... or "Holy Wood" note how the dark character stands firmly as if he is uncertain whether he should proceed forth, while the shadow figure perhaps his subconscious coaxes the other to go forth.

S.D.
10-31-2009, 07:20 AM
As ever, the wealth of information that was submitted in Analysis & Interpretations at The Heirophant is lost, and looking through some old pictures I was reminded of preliminary posts that were made there before the release of The High End Of Low concerning possible influences for Four Rusted Horses and a few other signifiers on the record. There are two paintings and comparisons with the artist Franz Marc that I am submitting here, as although one is not necessarily a comparison to Manson's artwork itself, I don't feel like splitting the post when more ideas can be consolidated into one, I'm sure no one will object to the tangent:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/SnowGreta.jpg

Comparison between Dog Lying In The Snow and Greta

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/TowerOfBlueHorses-1.jpg

Tower Of Blue Horses

Franz Marc, as part of the expressionist movement, will no doubt be familiar to Marilyn Manson, and I think that even looking at his two portraits placed here, the use of colour and form could have been a direct influence on Manson's own painting style, which I have demonstrated most evidently in comparing Marc's Dog Lying In The Snow with Manson's portrait Greta (after Garbo), a Dachshund owned by his ex-wife, Dita Von Teese:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Miscellaneous/Dita.jpg

In this picture, which may have been the source material for Greta, the dog is positioned similarly at the side of the pool. The use of Tower Of Blue Horses, and that there are four, I shouldn't need to explain, but it is worth noting that dogs, sheep, cats, pigs and horses were all staple subjects for Marc's paintings, and I believe the same menagerie has been depicted in individual portraits by Manson also. Incidentally, one could attribute the horses being blue to the German use of the word "blau", which can be used to describe negative emotions: "feeling blue" --- so literally describes being "Low" --- "I've got mood poisoning". Additionally, I'm reminded that the colour "Prussian" Blue is notable for being low and deep, almost identical to the blue reflected on Manson's face on the front cover for The High End Of Low. Considering that this is relative to Manson's portraits, I can only think of one example where the exact colour scheme of the album has been featured in a Manson portrait, as I have demonstrated below:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/HighEndOfPoe.jpg

Comparison between The High End Of Low and The Moment I Became Edgar I Suddenly Realized I Was In Hell

Note the similarity in title of the portrait and I Have To Look Up Just To See Hell. Also, Manson has stated that the portrait of Poe to date, is the only in which he has attempted to do a photo-realistic rendering of a subject. The parallels between Poe and Lewis Carroll are vast, I recommend reading on the subject. Also, regarding the title of the portrait, Poe died when he reached the age of 40, which was Manson's age upon the release of THEOL. Also, look at the colour scheme again (specifically on the album cover). Red, White and Blue:-


http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/providermodule/Analysis/IntoTheFire.jpg

We're From America

Poe, of course, was an American.

Finally, moving back to the subject of the aforementioned Prussian Blue, it is likely not intentional, but the White Power music group of the same name is composed of Lynx and Lamb Gade, and taken from the reference to Zyklon-B. They could be deemed both "Blank and White", and "Stupid Teenage Girls", and perhaps, to some, be considered as "Pretty as a swastika".

Shangri-LIE
02-28-2010, 06:54 PM
Perfektion


http://www.helnwein-museum.com/stc/ghpicts/gh1231.jpghttp://www.alloclips.com/app/webroot/images/cache/data/videos/652-5s-430x360-Cropped.jpg


"If God crossed us we'd take all of his drugs and burn his money and his house down"

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/thedeathofart.jpg

To me, this represents the Vatican engulfed in a conflageration of clandestine perversions, black smoke instead of white smoke, and the "burning of all wooden Gods".

Baby's got a gun, got a finger on the trigger."

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/3333269713_e30ef0b306_b.jpg

From the one chamber into another. It is if he is looking at someone, or permission for something to shoot at. Our children are born with firearms to discharge instead of sexual organs. This is Generation Kill. "We will grow to hate you."

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zqFoq3qej2c/SiH8IertM-I/AAAAAAAAtX4/32GGaLeSkD8/s400/mm_gun1.jpg

S.D.
03-07-2010, 06:35 PM
I assume most people are familiar with Manson's series on The Black Dahlia; Elizabeth Short As Snow White (A Smile I) in particular:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./DahliaSmile.png

"[(A smile I)] is how she came to Hollywood, with hopes of becoming famous." - Marilyn Manson, MTV 2002


The description he gave made me think of the lyrics for EAT ME, DRINK ME - "It's no wonder our stage clothes have dreams to be famous" - The preceding lyric also "In The Wasteland"; Short's mutilated body was found, quite literally, in the wastelands of Los Angeles:-


http://providermodule.com/Administrators/S.D./DahliaWasteland.jpg


A slight aside from paintings, but it was only when making this link that I thought about how the lyrics for EAT ME, DRINK ME correlate (in this respect at least) with the final moments of Man That You Fear - "When all of your wishes are granted, many of your dreams will be destroyed". Elizabeth Short, like the "star" rushing in, achieved her wish for fame, but at the cost of her "dreams" being destroyed, the fame she found was not one she would partake in, it was done to her. Another aside entirely, forgive me for tangents, but I don't recall seeing it written anywhere (please correct if wrong) that in relation to the Manson mythos, Short's body was discovered on the 15th of January.

Moving back to the artwork, does anyone see (as is also the case with part II in the Short series) Elizabeth's eyes as displaying a "blank stare"? Certainly the coroner's photograph that II was based on show her open-eyed, death giving them the glassy appearances corpses develop. I think there are a lot of moments on EAT ME, DRINK ME (the record as a whole) that are significantly more chilling if you view them in a different context to some of those we have become more accustomed to.

ThreeEyedGod
03-07-2010, 07:00 PM
speed;47056']This thread is intended to look deeper into what is in my opinion one of the most overlooked and underanalyzed piece of Manson's body of work, The Gallery of Art. While looking into Romanticism, I stumbled across this piece entitled Sodom and Gomorrah By John Martin which immediately grabbed my attention and I thought of the painting, The Last Day On Earth.


http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/John_Martin.jpg

http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/images/d/de/LastDayOnEarth.jpghttp://www.marilynmansonimages.com/images/art/2002show/art-lastdayonearth.jpg

The Arch over the Destruction of the city seems to be a common element in both paintings, Perhaps in the Manson painting the Character is the element to be destroyed, as he is about to arrive into Sodom.... or "Holy Wood" note how the dark character stands firmly as if he is uncertain whether he should proceed forth, while the shadow figure perhaps his subconscious coaxes the other to go forth.

Amazing parallel.

Frau Dietrich
03-20-2010, 11:07 AM
I already posted this at Babalon but maybe some of you guys haven't seen it yet :):
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6003/mmhelnwein1.jpg
Right: Gottfried Helnwein 'Die Versuchung'

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9442/mmschwarzk.jpg
Right: Rudolf Schwarzkogler 'Aktion 3'

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6536/mmstroheim.jpg
Left: Erich von Stroheim ('Foolish Wives' 1921)

S.D.
03-21-2010, 02:12 PM
READY OR NOT TOT
http://images.artnet.com/artwork_images_425931305_463027_marilyn-manson.jpg
Image Courtesy Of ART NET


I haven't observed any commentary on this painting between fans, but it reminds me of a Salvador Dali piece called Polymorph (Bulgarian Child Eating A Rat), as seen below:-


http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5299/dalibaby.png


It was the relatively blank (stare?) expression of the child in both works that drew comparison, and also the fact that the toddlers each have teeth, and in the case of Manson's picture, perhaps blood around the mouth also, as with the Dali? I'm not sure if there is an influence link between the two, but I thought there was enough similarity to warrant mentioning it here.
Still, regarding the title of Manson's painting, apparently there is a company that produces a simulation parenting doll called Ready Or Not Tot, which has a "48 Hour" behavioural programme installed so that people can "practice" their parenting skills...


http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8332/readyornottot.png


I thought in relation to the artwork, this was interesting (also for anyone who has read Chuck Palahniuk's book Haunted...) because Manson is perhaps commenting on how people raise their children like machines - "America Bled To Death, Electric And Pregnant" - which reflects ideas discussed on Mechanical Animals (Monkeys with alien babies in Rock Is Dead, etc.), and the motif of infants as 'Disposable' - "We Eat Our Young" / "Put Your Knives In Babies Backs":-


http://www.providermodule.com/discography/images/disc_main_d1.jpg


The Ready Or Not Tot line is fairly disturbing, I interpret Manson's use of the name as saying that things have surely gotten to a sorry state if we don't have the societal skills to raise children, and we require facsimile robots of infants to get it right the first time. The 'Tot' of the painting is being rhetorically asked to prepare for a childhood that has already failed - "She didn't know that it was dead inside, some of us are really born to die".

TMC
01-25-2012, 04:50 PM
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1033/beztytuuukp.jpg

ImNotJesus
02-04-2012, 07:28 AM
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1033/beztytuuukp.jpg

HAHAHA!

Thanks for making my night.