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Halo Infinity
11-14-2013, 03:04 PM
*This was copied and pasted from ETS, because it really is a shitload to re-type and/or memorize. It also starts that way because I also made a childfree and/or unmarried thread over there as well, and didn't make this thread just right after it when I probably should've. =P I'm also glad that a philosophy section actually exists in Provider Module, because this is the perfect type of topic for it. ^_^*

After noticing that there really is a good number of childfree people here, I've wondered what their stance on antinatalism would be. I've also noticed that this philosophy also seems to be very taboo, controversial, offensive, disrespectful, or even bleak and depressing to parents, or to people that would like to be parents, with some reasons far more obvious than others. I'm not here to argue though, but I'm just curious to see what the childfree think of antinatalism and efilism.

It was also hard for me to argue against antinatalism even though I don't believe that everything in life has to be about meaningless suffering, but the idea of having no more future descendents in my family tree doesn't disturb me one iota. I also apologize if this topic is a downer as well, because I too have felt that some of its arguments were depressing even though I can accept them. Anyway, I was just wondering if any of the childfree members here had gone as far as to consider antinatalism and efilism. Did you agree with all of i? Some of it? None of it?

If anything, the positive reminders I can get from antinatalism would be to appreciate life while I still can, do what I've got to do in order to progress and sustain myself, and to avoid trouble and becoming an imposition to myself and others. I also wouldn't want to impose a life on somebody else if I wasn't sure of having children either. I noticed that they used the word impose when it comes to giving birth as well. And even though I can see exactly why they do it, I can sort of see why even that would be an offensive way to put it for some, or even lots of people.

I really should've made this thread just right after I made The Childfree and/or Unmarried Thread, and just thought of doing it right now before I keep obsessing over making it again. I also remember having such thoughts long before I realized what childfree and antinatalism was as early as ages 11-13, but didn't think of it and rediscovered it by the time I turned at least 16 or 17 years of age. Looking into this lifestyle and philosophy has also helped me get over being completely depressed at the idea of not having children, and is also why I tend to perceive life in the way I currently do. (I'm still unsure about having children, but it really seems highly unlikely as of now. I can see and make some positives for not procreating as well if it really turns out that I can never procreate for whatever reason. I don't see why that has to be the end of any happiness, hope, purpose, or security I might obtain.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Schopenhauer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement

http://www.vhemt.org/

Alterkaker66
11-14-2013, 06:32 PM
From what I can tell the movements associated with this range from philosophical to extreme. Personally, no kids, let me die when I want and how I want, and for fucks sake someone has to say no to idiots.

MrBonestripper
11-16-2013, 06:01 PM
i dont know much about efilism
or antinatalism
in fact i had to look 'em up
just now
and i still dont know if ive
fully grasped it yet

procreation is bad?
because life is pain?
hm

its interesting.