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HG131
01-04-2015, 04:09 AM
Well with a book title like that we have to talk about it, right? Better yet, get this; the opening passage is even more relevant.

Over fifteen years have passed since Wilson Bryan Key first warned us to 'Watch ourselves!' much as the Greek god Zeus once cautioned Narcissus."

But that's not enough. Before the foreword is a quote in the dedication section.

"'There's no use trying,' said Alice. 'One can't believe impossible things.'

I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.'"

Yeah. An Alice quote. In a book that obviously has some significance to Deep Six. So, what's this book about? Manipulation of the masses via the media, not only in subliminal messages, but for various purposes in various ways. One section specifically talks religion, and the use of it for getting rich. A lovely quote:

"If the communist menace suddenly disappeared, many US politicians would become unemployable. They would quickly have to come up with a new menace."

Communist menace? Oh yeah, did I forget to mention this was released in 1989? At the same time a young Brian Hugh Warner was finding himself, finding his beliefs, and his contempt for the media especially. The section that quote comes from talks about how public patriotism or religion is done to be seen, done not for one's belief, but for the admiration they get from others for their actions. The book also talks about how it has been shown that those believe themselves to be the most independent and uncontrollable and individualistic are often the easiest to control with manipulation. Which heavily independent and individualistic person has been played and betrayed by those closest to him multitudes of times?

While some of us may disagree with the book due to history of panics regarding subliminal messages, it's obvious Manson has read it, and likely rather close to the release, seeing as it and the three previous books by the author were quite popular in colleges. However, something more interesting, despite being more of a psychology book, it was, quite ironically used in advertising classes, as to warn about something you have to teach it, and so the book both warns and shows you what they're doing and therefore teaches you how to do it. Manson may have been a journalism major at the time, but his best friend and band co-founder was an advertising major, which means it's quite possible that Daisy/Scott could have introduced him to the book.

Now, I haven't finished the book, but it's been a good read so far, and after hitting post I'm going to go back to reading it. For those of you interested, I uploaded it to my Google Drive so you can download it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwOoMo6_s7vBQmxQLWRIQURuUEk/view?usp=sharing

And now I have pretty much proof he read this book a long time ago, from one quote:

"Marshall McLuhan described projections as 'Narcissus Narcosis.' As we perceive endless hours of media involvement, we unconsciously project and identify with heroes against villains"

This section is discussing how people take their own issues, their own internal worries and emotions and project them on others, like a cheating or fantasising about cheating spouse believing their spouse is infidelious. If the phrase "Narcissus Narcosis" sounds familiar, it's a Holy Wood song. Further more, as we know, Narcissus is brought up again in Deep Six.

The term "Narcissus Narcosis" is about the fact that this projection on endless media numbs them to reality. By projecting themselves on to the heroes, they numb themselves to real life, only seeing themselves as the hero and their foes as the villain. In Manson's case, he was their target, their born villain, after Columbine.

The next passage is brilliant.

"The design and staging of rock groups provide another example of projective identification. Images are engineered by sophisticated music investment corporations to be instantly revolting to parents and evoke panic about their children's welfare. For the immature audiences, the group must project their defiance of parental supervision and moral restrictions and offer an affront to authority figures of all types. The engineering of rock music and the groups who play it focuses on the instabilities inherent in the ages of their fans. Heavy metal rock groups, for example, are designed to project a fantasy of Satan as savior for neurosis-prone, lower-working-class teenagers. Heavy metal has made enormous profits for record companies but has promoted suicide and antisocial violence as an answer to adolescent problems"

Sound familiar? It gets better with a quote from an NME interview about The Pale Emperor

"'The redneck in me comes out in my voice, and its got some old blues mixed with the very hard elements,' he said. 'I want to retain what I think is good about the past, what music I did and who I am. It's not about being pissed about the world – it's about realising someone has to fuck things up.'"

He openly chose the path described above, in this book he clearly read a long time ago and influenced him. While the book has a cynical view on it, however, Manson obviously doesn't see it as preying on them for profit, but giving them something to identify with, something to look up to, and something to help them decide for themselves by telling them not to just listen to him. He's taken his power over people to fight back against those with power over people, himself included.

Check out page 105 (62 in the PDF, 105 at the bottom). It's really interesting and pretty important.

Honestly, typing everything out is exhausting. Perhaps this little passage is unimportant, but the phrase used makes me wonder, so I'll post it.

http://i.imgur.com/XY7yLUh.png

In case there's a bit of confusion/forgetfulness, "FUCK IT!" is the opening to Irresponsible Hate Anthem.

The part after that talks about how high-order abstractions like "love" and "god" have different meanings to everyone and how it's weird that everyone demands people agree with theirs.

The book makes the argument that an objective truth is impossible, as defining it automatically makes it subjective, and so an objective truth would have to exist outside of definition, which is a logical paradox. Yes, I'm basically liveblogging a book. I'm pathetic, I know. Go read it and let's discuss what it means in relation to Manson. It's a good book even without that.

Part Two, or An Argument For This Being The Celebritarian Bible (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183048&viewfull=1#post183048)
Part Three, or Jesus' Giant Throbbing Penis (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183056&viewfull=1#post183056)
Part Four, or The Fall of The House of Death (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183058&viewfull=1#post183058)

Shangri-LIE
01-04-2015, 07:40 AM
Great post. This is why I have such a problem with people who want a redux of Antichrist Superstar. I've said it many times before. It was described as a collective consciousness. One set to fail and eventually collapsed. It was a suicide petition. A wager. A bet. It was a hollow, lost and disorderly scream of rebellion that eventually led to the demise of those magnetized to that way of thinking and feeling. I could post excerpts and examples as you have but I've already done that over the years to no avail, and it doesn't surprise me. He does exactly what he wants us to rebel against. I've never seen Marilyn Manson's music as empowering as much as it is something to make us question ourselves, each other and him as well. I'm a Marilyn Manson fan in a different way. Not in a better way, but in a way that I see what he is doing differently. Most people who grew up listening to Manson while he was finding his identity as you say, a paradoxical one, a hypocritical one, saw themselves as liberating themselves from the chains of conformity. What the Triptych proved was how malleable the ones who assert themselves as independent thinkers and strong willed are.

He's said that his art is a "silent film for blind folks". What he's done really has never been that shocking, because it's no surprise how easily people are shepherded by an eccentric and overblown persona. It's right in your face yet people identify with something that he is representing as "fucked up". He's been open about his affiliations with the O.T.O, much like Crowley, who is one of his major influences. Even on MA where he proclaimed to be an "Alien Messiah", Lam. He draws a lot from Discordian literature. The Book of Lies, The Apocrypha Discordia, and even authors such as "Malaclypse the Younger".

Even though this a a great thread, it probably won't garner much acknowledgement and I just described why. Marilyn Manson isn't a band, it's a social experiment that started off as an inside joke and it worked. Again, good post.

shrubberyhorizon
01-04-2015, 08:50 AM
very interesting. On a side note, I remember wondering, with all the incredibly enlightening books/art/ideas etc. Manson alludes to, why he rarely goes into detail on some of the more important topics in interviews. I realize now that it's an initiation. What he does promotes the curiosity for those things and if he went into detail he would have to endlessly defend himself and would basically get leeched by most people. Instead he promotes things so that only those that deserve the answers look for them.

ReversedHate
01-04-2015, 09:02 AM
Damn my brain hurts from reading all this interesting stuff. The sad thing about possessing this knowledge is that you're one of the very very few. Even bringing something like this up around people will have them look at you like you're fucking crazy.
I'm thirsty for more stuff like this, what other books would you recommend?

shrubberyhorizon
01-04-2015, 09:23 AM
Yeah, only bring this stuff up in a deliberately absurd/humorous kind of way. Intelligent people will see the serious nature of the idea through the joke and talk to you about it in an appropriate environment. And the idiots will at least leave you alone and at best become charmed and you can use them for whatever they're good for at a later date. :)

HG131
01-04-2015, 10:27 AM
Yeah, it's pretty deep and takes a bit to comprehend, and I've had to take breaks from reading the book. This is why there's entire websites devoted to analysing Manson's work, because he encodes this much into it. When you think about it, there should be a "Manson's Reading List" compiled from all the books he references. It seems he's finally gotten bored of us not getting it though, and is outright telling us, quoting this work, along with tweeting that one paranoid religious guy's thing about secret messages in Deep Six. That's just outright telling us to make the connection.

http://i.imgur.com/ElrmeDC.png

This might be one of the most important passages, at least to me.

Well, pages 192 and 193 are missing. Fuck.

OH THIS IS JUST FANTASTIC. I'LL UPDATE IN A MOMENT

http://i.imgur.com/GMuDXLL.jpg

Yep, he read this ages ago for sure.

Sorry, you'll have to open it in a new tab. I got excited and forgot to crop.

http://i.imgur.com/lCQUdD5.jpg

The media as our religion? Okay, now this book has skyrocketed on the interesting chart all the way up to "Holy shit".

Basically, I think he's just pointed us to the foundations of Celebritarianism.

Furthermore, the book talks about how deviants are needed in order for any moral code to work, because they give that moral code something to oppose.

Plus, the book brings up the Ouroboros multiple times, which was significant to Holy Wood.

Part One, or The Decent (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183030&viewfull=1#post183030)
Part Three, or Jesus' Giant Throbbing Penis (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183056&viewfull=1#post183056)
Part Four, or The Fall of The House of Death (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183058&viewfull=1#post183058)

blue angel
01-04-2015, 11:31 AM
I will read this book.

Pestilence
01-04-2015, 11:35 AM
Posts like these make me proud to be a fan. Truly fascinating. I have to pick up this book now. I was reading your thread and I found it mind blowing in the sense about how accurate this book is in the significance to Marilyn Manson's career. This is an outstanding find thank you for this. I think you're on to something big at this point.

HG131
01-04-2015, 11:51 AM
Posts like these make me proud to be a fan. Truly fascinating. I have to pick up this book now. I was reading your thread and I found it mind blowing in the sense about how accurate this book is in the significance to Marilyn Manson's career. This is an outstanding find thank you for this. I think you're on to something big at this point.

Aww thank you, and if you have the money, it's on Amazon. In the mean time, you can just download it from my link. It's pretty damn amazing and does seem to be an overlooked foundation of his entire career.

http://i.imgur.com/bkp86kD.jpg

SFP stands for "Self Fulfilling Prophecy", and I'm posting this part due to it talking about Narcissus Narcosis some more.

http://i.imgur.com/6zw1jhr.jpg

The crucifiction as mass-marketed merch.

http://www.theawl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/jesusdong.jpg

That's the Jesus painting he's talking about. The Giant Dick Christ.

Part One, or The Decent (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183030&viewfull=1#post183030)
Part Two, or An Argument For This Being The Celebritarian Bible (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183048&viewfull=1#post183048)
Part Four, or The Fall of The House of Death (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183058&viewfull=1#post183058)

Manson15Marilyn
01-04-2015, 12:51 PM
Here come the conspiracy theories. *braces for impact*

HG131
01-04-2015, 12:52 PM
Interesting to note, this book blasts behaviorism (something I, as a psych major, find awesome to see more of), and it's true that at the time behaviorism was the dominant field of psychology, although Manson has always supported the unconscious, which modern psychologists are back to studying and working to understand after being sidetracked by idiots.

http://i.imgur.com/LxaiIXo.jpg


Here come the conspiracy theories. *braces for impact*

Not quite sure over what, other than Manson intentionally trolling us. The religious loons are too scared to come here. Manson himself just seems to have to decided to direct us to this book, which clearly inspired a lot of his message throughout the last 26 years. It coined "The Beautiful People" for him, it came up with a lot of his philosophy about the media, it inspired Holy Wood, it's a pretty major work for Manson fans, and I think between no Nachtkabarett work on Born Villain and us missing this book for so long, he decided to make it more obvious for us.

http://i.imgur.com/xCllvfW.jpg

This is part of the conclusion, and Manson obviously took it to heart.

Well, I just finished the book and it was a fantastic read. Please, read it, and discuss what sticks out to you. I did as I read.

Part One, or The Decent (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183030&viewfull=1#post183030)
Part Two, or An Argument For This Being The Celebritarian Bible (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183048&viewfull=1#post183048)
Part Three, or Jesus' Giant Throbbing Penis (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183056&viewfull=1#post183056)

Manson15Marilyn
01-04-2015, 01:50 PM
Yes. Manson is speaking to us through secret codes in his song lyrics. When is mother ship due to arrive, btw?

blue angel
01-04-2015, 01:58 PM
I was going to read this anyway, when I heard that Manson recommended it, but with all that you have provided for us in this thread, I am really looking forward to what it provides as insight into Manson's lifelong career, in particular. I must say that I am not surprised, I have always admired Manson for his brain and have always wanted to have a list of books that he would suggest.
From what I can gather before reading this book, I do not feel that what I will find from the information itself, will be of such surprise, I find that by growing up, all of the magic in life that you have grown and been manipulated to believe, comes crashing down and disappoints. I have found this to be certain in just about every area of life. Wisdom is bitter but yet, I am thirsty for it.

Manson15Marilyn
01-04-2015, 02:02 PM
I think it's a good book as it is, and not because it ties into Manson and Co.

Key's books are always thought-provoking and well written, in my opinion. I've always had an interest in psychology and sociology so things like this peak my interest.

blue angel
01-04-2015, 02:05 PM
I think it's a good book as it is, and not because it ties into Manson and Co.

Key's books are always thought-provoking and well written, in my opinion. I've always had an interest in psychology and sociology so things like this peak my interest.

Yes, this subject matter itself is of interest to me, as well.

HG131
01-04-2015, 09:59 PM
Yes. Manson is speaking to us through secret codes in his song lyrics. When is mother ship due to arrive, btw?

It's not the first time he's put absurd numbers of references into his works. The Nachtkabarett wouldn't exist if it was. He's compared his art to that of a serial killer before, and I think I get it now. It's that same obsessive attention to detail that both have. Most artists out there put work into their stuff, sure, but very, very few alive put so much that over twenty years are spent, hundreds of essays, thousands of hours, are spent dissecting it. Manson's music has almost always had a message, and more effort put into it's content than seems humanly possible at times. My mind is pretty much in a permanent state of blown after reading so much of The Nachtkabarett.


I was going to read this anyway, when I heard that Manson recommended it, but with all that you have provided for us in this thread, I am really looking forward to what it provides as insight into Manson's lifelong career, in particular. I must say that I am not surprised, I have always admired Manson for his brain and have always wanted to have a list of books that he would suggest.
From what I can gather before reading this book, I do not feel that what I will find from the information itself, will be of such surprise, I find that by growing up, all of the magic in life that you have grown and been manipulated to believe, comes crashing down and disappoints. I have found this to be certain in just about every area of life. Wisdom is bitter but yet, I am thirsty for it.

That's exactly how I felt about it, minus being motivated by my posts, because that would require a time paradox.


I think it's a good book as it is, and not because it ties into Manson and Co.

Key's books are always thought-provoking and well written, in my opinion. I've always had an interest in psychology and sociology so things like this peak my interest.

I think it's both, and I think my interest can be summed up by my major.

Also, considering the amount of views and likes vs. replies, I feel like I just gave the forum homework. I'm sorry for that one.

Elizabeth Casto
01-04-2015, 10:32 PM
That was an incredibly well written post! Dont forget to take time and let things sink in because brain over load is worse than brain freeze. This post deserves more recognition. If you follow his facebook post and read page 15...the first paragraph at the top of the page kinda sums up how the majority will react to reading /this book. Its disheartening. Write as much as you want but dont spoon feed people or they will choke.
Also...when I was in Chicago... I met Manson and asked him for a book to read..he told me to read the psychopath's bible by christopher hyatt. check it out..you can find it on the web...i wont say much else..as I dont really talk.

HG131
01-04-2015, 10:37 PM
That was an incredibly well written post! Dont forget to take time and let things sink in because brain over load is worse than brain freeze. This post deserves more recognition. If you follow his facebook post and read page 15...the first paragraph at the top of the page kinda sums up how the majority will react to reading /this book. Its disheartening. Write as much as you want but dont spoon feed people or they will choke.
Also...when I was in Chicago... I met Manson and asked him for a book to read..he told me to read the psychopath's bible by christopher hyatt. check it out..you can find it on the web...i wont say much else..as I dont really talk.

Thanks, and yeah, several times while reading I went and relaxed and let it sink in. Also, which Facebook post, from who? Because that's kinda vague and Facebook posts don't have pages, they just scroll. I'm downloading that book now.

Oh, and something that should be mentioned, the book talks of every human having a built in death wish. "At least my death wish will come true".

Elizabeth Casto
01-05-2015, 12:41 AM
I was talking about Manson's facebook post from yesterday
Snake handler? Snake charmer?

Repent? Serpent?

A god or Guardian?

Today, open the nearest literary book you see to page 15.
Read.



hey coincidences happen..but odd coincidences make me want to buy a lotto ticket


Frued talked about death wishes too.
Its a common idea that man wishes to destroy himself to alleviate anxieties.

HG131
01-05-2015, 01:04 AM
Ahh, I didn't see that one before. Just tried it, I had HG Wells "The Invisible Man", and it was just about the Invisible Man's luggage full of books. Yay for meta.

Decided to try it with my nearest non-fiction, "The Dangerous Book For Boys". It's just about the Prime Meridian and then how to tell the age of a tree. Let's not try cutting Manson down to check his age.

Whoops, missed a closer non-fiction. A German to English/English to German dictionary. Page 15 is the beginning of the section on numbers. More meta.

You know, that sums up my life right there. Too much meta madness to properly elaborate.

Dickginas. Why on Earth is that how I'm starting this part? Simple! I avoided rewatching Deep Six while reading the book, and now I just went to rewatch it with the lessons taught in the book. Suddenly, the tubes are obviously dickginias. What does that mean? Why does Chrome accept that as a word? Well, that I have no idea, but look at the opening of the tubes. It's not a cylinder. It's a wide open vagina. Manson's chin when he's in it is at the clitorial hood, otherwise it's quite obvious when he's not in it, due to the fact it's peaked up there. The tubes are dicks ending in vaginas. Quite fitting with this book. The fact that most of us are seeing the reference in the reference and not the reference is why the video seems weird for the song .We're thinking it from the Greek metaphor view when he wants us to think of it from the view of what the song is inspired by, this book. Besides for the numerous references in the song to the book, and even more in his career, the song isn't about Greek mythology or his life, something we were expecting. The song is about media mind control.

"It's like a stranger had a key/came inside of my mind/and moved all my things around"

That's a perfect description of the subliminal control done by the media that is discussed in this book. The book is all about how strangers get inside your mind and play with it and manipulate it. The song's not about Greek myths, it's just quoting the book. Hence the "love is evol/con is confidence/eros is sore/sin is sincere" part. The additions are about love and lust, two sides of the same coin that are often mistaken for being the same. Both can be reversed into another statement. Both are similar, but not the same, and they both fit Manson's life, too. Another subliminal joke done by Manson on us is the echo effect used in the song. The lyric goes

"Deep six/six feet deep"

However, that's not how it sounds, and you might not notice. With the echo, it's

"Deep six six six/six feet deep"

A call back to the more antireligious songs of yesteryear. Furthermore, examine Manson's outfit without the jacket. A white shirt, and a black collar. Flip the colors in your head. Black shirt, black pants, white collar. A priest. Manson is dressed as an inverted priest. Or, to just hammer it in if the point isn't made, a Reverend for the Church of Satan. The song and video work on several levels, just as the book describes to us. Musically, it's a good, badass song with mythological references for the fandom. Deeper than that, it's referencing a work that influenced him. In the video, it's using the tactics described in that work on the audience, putting the antireligious symbols and sexual imagery on the subliminal level, rather than the conscious level. The video is deeply sexual, with an H.R. Geiger vibe, but besides for the rather tame female nudity, it's not actually overtly sexual, especially not to the level of videos past. However, what at times is literally staring us in the face as we miss it is a dickginia.

And it's not letting me edit my previous posts to link here. Grrrrr

Part Two, or An Argument For This Being The Celebritarian Bible (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183048&viewfull=1#post183048)
Part Three, or Jesus' Giant Throbbing Penis (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183056&viewfull=1#post183056)
Part Four, or The Fall of The House of Death (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183058&viewfull=1#post183058)

Right, it still won't let me edit posts, it keeps having some error and sending me to the main providermodule.com, and furthermore, it won't even load in Chrome, I had to use a different browser, even after restarting.

Elizabeth Casto
01-05-2015, 12:10 PM
Deep 6 ..echo 66
Sex
6ft deep

Its hidden in plain sight..it just sounds different.
It would make a great vaniy tag for a car.6sex6

Akhenaten
01-05-2015, 02:23 PM
Deep 6 ..echo 66
Sex
6ft deep

Its hidden in plain sight..it just sounds different.
It would make a great vaniy tag for a car.6sex6

I hear it too, no matter how much i try to convince myself the lyrics are otherwise. it has a noticeable effect on me - plays right in to what's being discussed here. Just a tad uncanny.

Thank you for posting your discovery of this book, HG131. How did you stumble upon it? I'm utterly fascinated, and i endeavour to buy it as soon as i can from what I've read. I look forward to seeing this topic grow… hopefully I'll have something more to contribute in due time.

M Tragedy666
01-05-2015, 07:27 PM
I ordered the book on Amazon. Looking through the books sample on Amazon, the page that is Chapter One has 3 quotes. The last being "in many ways creativity and mental illness are opposites of the same coin" by someone named Anton Ehrenzweig.

I feel like I've seen this quote before, somewhere. I don't know if Manson has said it (or something similar) in an interview or in Long Hard Road or hell, maybe he quoted it himself in Long Hard Road....but I know I've seen that somewhere and it seems like I saw it in a Manson context... Does that strike anyone else as familiar?

HG131
01-06-2015, 06:37 AM
I hear it too, no matter how much i try to convince myself the lyrics are otherwise. it has a noticeable effect on me - plays right in to what's being discussed here. Just a tad uncanny.

Thank you for posting your discovery of this book, HG131. How did you stumble upon it? I'm utterly fascinated, and i endeavour to buy it as soon as i can from what I've read. I look forward to seeing this topic grow… hopefully I'll have something more to contribute in due time.

Someone posted a link to the Amazon page in The Nachtkabarett Facebook Group, just noticing the title and the fact it was the same as the lyric. Then I went and found a download for the book (on page two or three of Google, so harder than usual) since I figured there might be more useful stuff inside. When hit with an Alice quote and another Deep Six lyric, I knew for sure. After that, I just sat and read the book for hours. I'm still amazed that this means it took us 19 years almost to discover the origin of "The Beautiful People". Also, sorry, Chrome STILL won't load the Provider Module site. I'm fine with all other sites, just this one is an issue.


I ordered the book on Amazon. Looking through the books sample on Amazon, the page that is Chapter One has 3 quotes. The last being "in many ways creativity and mental illness are opposites of the same coin" by someone named Anton Ehrenzweig.

I feel like I've seen this quote before, somewhere. I don't know if Manson has said it (or something similar) in an interview or in Long Hard Road or hell, maybe he quoted it himself in Long Hard Road....but I know I've seen that somewhere and it seems like I saw it in a Manson context... Does that strike anyone else as familiar?

It does sound familiar. I provided a download link so you can read the entire thing, minus the two missing pages, now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwOoMo6_s7vBQmxQLWRIQURuUEk/view?usp=sharing just to repost it This isn't the source I downloaded from, because I uploaded it to my own Google Drive instead so you can download it from a safe source (I run four antiviruses, so I wasn't worried getting it).

Sorry if I have a few typos. Due to errors in Chrome, I'm currently in Tor.

Also, editing is STILL spazzing out. Could someone please look into this so I can link my posts properly? So I don't have to remember:

Part Five, or the Antipriest (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183101&viewfull=1#post183101)

Ignore me, just seeing if I can edit if I don't add a link. If you see me, that's a yes.\

So, yes. What is going on with the forum?

Alright then, just cleaned everything I can think of, even wiped my free space. That didn't work. Downloaded Firefox to see if it would work. It did not. Only Tor is connecting to Provider Module right now. So it must be my IP. Huh.

HG131
01-07-2015, 05:10 AM
And it's working again.

Coma_White
01-07-2015, 06:32 AM
Someone posted a link to the Amazon page in The Nachtkabarett Facebook Group, just noticing the title and the fact it was the same as the lyric. Then I went and found a download for the book (on page two or three of Google, so harder than usual) since I figured there might be more useful stuff inside. When hit with an Alice quote and another Deep Six lyric, I knew for sure. After that, I just sat and read the book for hours. I'm still amazed that this means it took us 19 years almost to discover the origin of "The Beautiful People". Also, sorry, Chrome STILL won't load the Provider Module site. I'm fine with all other sites, just this one is an issue.



It does sound familiar. I provided a download link so you can read the entire thing, minus the two missing pages, now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwOoMo6_s7vBQmxQLWRIQURuUEk/view?usp=sharing just to repost it This isn't the source I downloaded from, because I uploaded it to my own Google Drive instead so you can download it from a safe source (I run four antiviruses, so I wasn't worried getting it).

Sorry if I have a few typos. Due to errors in Chrome, I'm currently in Tor.

Also, editing is STILL spazzing out. Could someone please look into this so I can link my posts properly? So I don't have to remember:

Part Five, or the Antipriest (http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/7315-The-Age-of-Manipulation-The-Con-in-Confidence-The-Sin-in-Sincere?p=183101&viewfull=1#post183101)

Ignore me, just seeing if I can edit if I don't add a link. If you see me, that's a yes.\

So, yes. What is going on with the forum?

Alright then, just cleaned everything I can think of, even wiped my free space. That didn't work. Downloaded Firefox to see if it would work. It did not. Only Tor is connecting to Provider Module right now. So it must be my IP. Huh.

I don't see any pages missing...thanks for the download, really interesting read.

YoureAlreadyHere
01-07-2015, 11:41 AM
I'm really enjoying this read.... thanks again for sharing

<3

HG131
01-07-2015, 12:45 PM
I don't see any pages missing...thanks for the download, really interesting read.

It's in the 190s, I mentioned it in one of the posts. It's only one scan/2 pages.


I'm really enjoying this read.... thanks again for sharing

<3

No problem.

That said, I still can't add links with an edit. Oh well.

Shangri-LIE
01-08-2015, 07:23 AM
It's essentially his manifesto. I find that interesting and highly entertaining. Entertaining in a way some people will call it digging too deep even though if you read the entire thing, there are exact verbatim references to his song lyrics within. I have a similar thread coming on the 20th. Prepare. No, not a stupid one. But all I will say, so I can say I called it, is to read "As a Man Thinketh" by James Allen.

Hazekiah
01-09-2015, 12:30 PM
This really IS and EXCELLENT find...thanks SO MUCH for speaking up and sharing it with the rest of us!

Although, I would like to add that the term "the beautiful people" VASTLY predates the publication of this book, as illustrated in Manson's near-constant citation of the Beatles classic "Baby, You're a Rich Man" before and/or during his live performances of "The Beautiful People," for instance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdDVgJWXMCI


That said, despite Manson's interest in McLuhan not really seeming to fully reach fruition until '98 and even considering his longstanding and well-documented adoration of the Beatles (as well as the fact that "The Beautiful People" first appeared in live performances of "My Monkey," itself a Beatles/Manson mash-up of sorts), the fact that THIS book not only uses the term as well but ALSO does so in conjunction with likewise serving as the apparent source of the refrain of the song immediately preceding "The Beautiful People" is TRULY compelling!

Which is my long-winded way of saying FUCKING AWESOME, btw!

:D


This is why there's entire websites devoted to analysing Manson's work, because he encodes this much into it. When you think about it, there should be a "Manson's Reading List" compiled from all the books he references.

Well, pages 192 and 193 are missing. Fuck.

OMFG, iknorite?!?

Also, FEAR NOT, I've gotcha covered!

Firstly, with some scans I whipped-up just for this occasion...



PAGE 192
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Hazekiah/Age_of_Manipulation_192_zps884946a8.jpeg~original




PAGE 193

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Hazekiah/Age_of_Manipulation_193_zps628db225.jpeg~original




Annnnd, also, with ANOTHER scan I thought might be in order at the moment!

This is from my personal copy of Marilyn Manson's "Reality Transmission" newsletter from 1994, wherein he happens to provide a list of citations and influences for that specific era, exactly like we'd ALL wish he'd do for EACH era!

Comprehensively, I mean, as opposed to sprinkled throughout dozens of press junkets, lol.

Anyway, it's only tangentially related to the discussion at hand, but I thought you and others might still get a kick out of it and find it instructive, nevertheless...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Hazekiah/MM_REALITY_TRANSMISSION_1_SUGGESTED_READING_AND_LI STENING_LIST_1994_zpsd58dd61c.jpeg~original


I was going to read this anyway, when I heard that Manson recommended it...

Wait, WAT.

I guess I missed that part?

If anyone could link me/all-of-us to wherever Manson mentioned it that'd be AWESOME, thanks!

Lastly, I'd just like to add that whatever the fuck it is Manson's up to with his subliminal, dastardly, manipulative marketeering...




IT'S DEFINITELY
FUCKING WORKING


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Hazekiah/SU1BRzAwMjMuanBn_zps6d403497.jpg~original


\m/

blue angel
01-09-2015, 01:45 PM
I have written reply after reply and it won't post, but I meant in short hand that Manson must be suggesting this book as reading material, given that he alludes to the title in his new lyrics. The rest is pointless and I can't see the big deal of who found what first when it is only a spreading of knowledge and a growing as people. It was spread amongst social media first, the trail leading from this book to Manson, and I saw the suggestion before more detail went into beginning this thread that made it an even bigger enlightenment regarding Manson, in particular.

HG131
01-09-2015, 01:51 PM
It's essentially his manifesto. I find that interesting and highly entertaining. Entertaining in a way some people will call it digging too deep even though if you read the entire thing, there are exact verbatim references to his song lyrics within. I have a similar thread coming on the 20th. Prepare. No, not a stupid one. But all I will say, so I can say I called it, is to read "As a Man Thinketh" by James Allen.

Awesome, I'm looking forward to it. Your theories are quite interesting, even if they do take a second read to understand sometimes. And agreed on what some people will say. I wonder if the quote from Alice at the start got him to read it, or if he read Alice because of this, or if there's no relation there.


-trimmed because posting is screwing up and I think it's the links-


Firstly, thank you so much for the response, and thank you for more scans! I knew those two pages were important and would help with the "Sin in Sincere" part of the title, since it was building up to it there! You're my hero. Also, thank you for more Manson recommendations. Finally, um.... where on Earth did you get all those?


I'm really enjoying this read.... thanks again for sharing

<3

You're welcome.


I have written reply after reply and it won't post, but I meant in short hand that Manson must be suggesting this book as reading material, given that he alludes to the title in his new lyrics. The rest is pointless and I can't see the big deal of who found what first when it is only a spreading of knowledge and a growing as people. It was spread amongst social media first, the trail leading from this book to Manson, and I saw the suggestion before more detail went into beginning this thread that made it an even bigger enlightenment regarding Manson, in particular.

It seems to be links that are being an issue, at least for me. I can edit as long as there's no link in it, for example. If there is, it spazzes out and sends me to the front page of Provider Module.

HG131
06-18-2015, 07:34 PM
Months later and I still can't those specific posts to link to each other. Is there an edit cap I don't know about?

Two Faced Egg (23)
06-20-2015, 09:21 AM
HG131 , Can You visualize what this Society would look like , .. ... if Majority of people were well aware of the work Mr.Key has laid out ? I can Imagine what I would do to 'An Agenda' if more people were made aware of who Edward Bernays is ,0r even if the majority of the Die Hard fans of 'The Clintons' actually could answer - "Who is Cecil Rhodes ? -Who is Carroll Quigley ? Wilson Bryan Key is Quite alright , I had found him discussed on the forum abovetopsecret.com & His interviews are worthy of examination also. - .. HG131 , Please tell Me ..Why do You suspect Mr.Manson gives 'Warnings' ? What purpose does it serve ? Like .. asking Myself ..why am I trying to warn People ? .. ... , Writing so many threads , Me doing My best to wake anyone up. And as far as My favorite Literature to use as a Reality tunnel to examine Mr.Manson'Ss Art , it is always Apocalypse Culture 1 & 2 .. personal subjective reasons , for one I just like James Shelby Downard a lot more. Cheers' ( & Please write more ) - TFE (TwentyThree)