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Norsefire
03-31-2015, 09:10 AM
Jul 24
THE SMASHING PUMPKINS - MARILYN MANSON
THE END TIMES TOUR
Venue: Midflorida Credit Union Amphitheatre
Location: Tampa, Florida, USA

http://www.providermodule.com/news/uploads/the-end-times-tour-hd.jpg

http://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.com/ - http://www.marilynmanson.com/




Members Attending:


YoureAlreadyHere

YoureAlreadyHere
04-09-2015, 07:41 AM
GOING.


http://i60.tinypic.com/6ydws2.jpg

Notice the meet & greet.... anyone have information? Smashing Pumpkins only? VIP only? (ticket range: 54-218)

YoureAlreadyHere
07-14-2015, 09:24 AM
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YoureAlreadyHere
07-23-2015, 07:02 AM
I'm so EXCITED!


<3

303
07-23-2015, 10:10 AM
Marilyn Manson ‏@marilynmanson

Tampa. Man that you better fucking fear is in town

YoureAlreadyHere
07-23-2015, 10:14 AM
^ was just about to add that here

YoureAlreadyHere
07-24-2015, 06:45 AM
Today is the greatest
We're different tonight


sofuckingecstatic

Wormboy96
07-24-2015, 03:25 PM
https://instagram.com/p/5iPnQ6nxM5/?taken-by=marilynmanson MAN THAT YOU FEAR! is at the setlist atleast.

YoureAlreadyHere
07-24-2015, 03:28 PM
Fucking yes. This is the Most beautiful thing ive ever seen

Btw, venue is a little dead. And im gonna be dead fucking center stage, second row in

YoureAlreadyHere
07-24-2015, 03:52 PM
http://i60.tinypic.com/i6biwk.jpg
so, lady lied.. whatever, ill be right in front of Twiggy mmmmm

cataract777
07-24-2015, 04:06 PM
http://i60.tinypic.com/i6biwk.jpg
so, lady lied.. whatever, ill be right in front of Twiggy mmmmm

Have fun!

DarkBlood
07-24-2015, 04:21 PM
Can someone Pleaseeeeeeeeeee get footage of man that you fear
I plan on going to see him Hallowwen and also in California and hope man that you fear stays on
Been waiting over 12 years to be able to see it live in person

blue angel
07-24-2015, 04:48 PM
exciting~

cataract777
07-24-2015, 05:20 PM
Can someone Pleaseeeeeeeeeee get footage of man that you fear
I plan on going to see him Hallowwen and also in California and hope man that you fear stays on
Been waiting over 12 years to be able to see it live in person

Somebody will post it on YouTube, like they do all of the other songs. No doubt about that.

mister saint laurent
07-24-2015, 06:29 PM
only half of man that you fear was played and most of it was without vocals.

manson couldnt remember the words and left. they were already running over their time before attempting the song. so i figured show over. gear was being loaded out.

but surprisingly manson did come back, called an audible and played coma white.

great show though. my 17th manson show. one of the best ive seen.

were scheduled from 7:50 till 9.

ended up playing from 7:50 till 9:07.

this venue has a hard curfew of 11, so it may cut into SP's time. they're due to go on in two mins, but had to set up quick due to manson going over.

Zsa Zsa
07-24-2015, 07:22 PM
Oh, Manson.

At least he tried.

Scorpion
07-24-2015, 07:31 PM
Awww, damn. :(

FeedYourHead
07-24-2015, 07:42 PM
this venue has a hard curfew of 11, so it may cut into SP's time. they're due to go on in two mins, but had to set up quick due to manson going over.

Maybe Billy will start a gigantic feud over this like Rob Zombie did.

NapalmHeart
07-24-2015, 07:44 PM
Guess he shouldn't have posted the setlist on Instagram before the show :D

VelvetAIDS
07-24-2015, 08:26 PM
Ouch...

cataract777
07-24-2015, 09:24 PM
Maybe Billy will start a gigantic feud over this like Rob Zombie did.

Lol, I could actually see that happening, and him not being able to let it go for the next 40 years like he does everything else.

VelvetAIDS
07-24-2015, 09:37 PM
Lol, I could actually see that happening, and him not being able to let it go for the next 40 years like he does everything else.

It could happen. This IS Billy...

Tater
07-24-2015, 11:21 PM
Silly the bargain is too busy telling his own fans to fuck off to bother fighting with M.

mister saint laurent
07-24-2015, 11:36 PM
manson's crew was loading gear off the side of the stage while the band was playing coma white. which allowed them to get everything off stage in time for SP to set up and take the stage at 9:30 as scheduled (22 minute change over instead of 30). SP had to cut their last song due to the super strict 11pm curfew. no encore. crowd was pissed. rules are rules. that venue is super serious about cutting everything at 11pm.

mechanim
07-24-2015, 11:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qobhi9u4--8
Guy who shot video is saying that microphone messes up.

TMC
07-24-2015, 11:58 PM
Great surprise! I can't wait for an HD recording of it.

fallglimmer
07-25-2015, 12:27 AM
The Pumpkins haven't played an encore at the last few shows actually, doubt Manson had much to do with it. I don't think Billy is feeling the crowds.

Mephisto
07-25-2015, 02:22 AM
only half of man that you fear was played and most of it was without vocals.

manson couldnt remember the words and left. they were already running over their time before attempting the song. so i figured show over. gear was being loaded out.

but surprisingly manson did come back, called an audible and played coma white.

great show though. my 17th manson show. one of the best ive seen.

were scheduled from 7:50 till 9.

ended up playing from 7:50 till 9:07.

this venue has a hard curfew of 11, so it may cut into SP's time. they're due to go on in two mins, but had to set up quick due to manson going over.

Fuck you Manson

mister saint laurent
07-25-2015, 03:08 AM
Guy who shot video is saying that microphone messes up.

in the second half of the first verse, you can clearly hear him start to sing the second half of the second verse. he realizes his mistake, can't get himself back on track and walks off. had nothing to do with the mic.

no biggie, just glad he came back on to do coma white instead. i've been to shows where if the show is almost over and something goes wrong, he says fuck it and doesn't come back. so i was pleasantly surprised by his return, especially considering they were already running over their allotted time.

Shangri-LIE
07-25-2015, 03:19 AM
LOL! LMGDMFAO!

cataract777
07-25-2015, 03:32 AM
It'd be a good idea to rehearse the song before attempting to play it live again, but that's just me. Oh Manson.

Shangri-LIE
07-25-2015, 03:41 AM
It'd be a good idea to rehearse the song before attempting to play it live again, but that's just me. Oh Manson.

Is it fucked up that I still remember all of the lyrics to all of the songs on Portrait of an American Family and I haven't sat down and listened to that album in over 10 years now? lol

pureglimmer
07-25-2015, 03:44 AM
teleprompters are a thing Manson

NapalmHeart
07-25-2015, 04:49 AM
When you expect the lyrics to there in front of you, but they're not, that can throw you off. It's okay to rely on lyrics when performing live, but he should just start using a proper screen for the lyrics. He's had the lyrics printed out so many times (That Californication performance, This Is Halloween,...) and always failed to read them. Use a proper screen and maybe even an in-ear piece. Don't they tell singers the cues and whatnot? I remember hearing an in-ear-recorded boolteg of a Nine Inch Nails show, and the beeps told Trent when to sing. As you can tell, I'm not an expert on this, but I'm sure there are ways that could help Manson.

However, it's easy to say you remember the lyrics to all Manson songs (I do, too) but it's different when you have to sind them over an instrumental track in front of an audience. I remember listening to some instrumental songs like If I Was Your Vampire and trying to "sing" along and horribly failed.

Shangri-LIE
07-25-2015, 05:10 AM
When you expect the lyrics to there in front of you, but they're not, that can throw you off. It's okay to rely on lyrics when performing live, but he should just start using a proper screen for the lyrics. He's had the lyrics printed out so many times (That Californication performance, This Is Halloween,...) and always failed to read them. Use a proper screen and maybe even an in-ear piece. Don't they tell singers the cues and whatnot? I remember hearing an in-ear-recorded boolteg of a Nine Inch Nails show, and the beeps told Trent when to sing. As you can tell, I'm not an expert on this, but I'm sure there are ways that could help Manson.

However, it's easy to say you remember the lyrics to all Manson songs (I do, too) but it's different when you have to sind them over an instrumental track in front of an audience. I remember listening to some instrumental songs like If I Was Your Vampire and trying to "sing" along and horribly failed.

That's why there are things called rehearsals. Also, as for me, I jam a lot. I can play songs from YEARS ago remembering every chord, melody and lyric all without accompaniment. A lot of bands/musicians can do this. If you can't even remember when your cue is in a song, or the lyrics, well....sorry...then you actually really "kind of" suck.

Norsefire
07-25-2015, 05:37 AM
Whatever happened, the portion performed sounded fucking good!

DarkBlood
07-25-2015, 05:41 AM
Yeah, the part he played sounded good.
I just hope whatever happened, which it seems to be him just not remembering the lyrics
Hopefully he gives it another shot and keeps in on rather than just giving up on that song and going back to coma white

Over neath Man
07-25-2015, 05:42 AM
Maybe he didn't forget the words and they were prying him offstage - due to the aforementioned time constraints???

DarkBlood
07-25-2015, 06:11 AM
But he came back on after that to play coma white which wasn't on the printed set list

TMC
07-25-2015, 09:22 AM
Well, let's hope it stays on the setlist, removing it because of a small failure (turned big) would be extremely childish.

FeedYourHead
07-25-2015, 10:37 AM
I'd like to ask a serious question - I'm not trying to inject even more negativity into the situation or anything, I'm genuinely asking - is it common practice for artists with very large discographies to have lyrics in front of them during live performances (I guess like presidential speeches lol)? Is it normal for artists to forget some of their own lyrics? It's hard for me to imagine that, especially because I'm willing to bet most if not all of us have never forgotten Manson lyrics in the middle of a song, but I also don't imagine artists sit there recreationally listening to their own music over and over again like we do with it. So I might be very off base with my confusion and annoyance by the fact that Manson can't seem to remember his own lyrics that he wrote and is getting paid to sing and has had ample time to rehearse, especially when it's a song that's a staple in his regular discography (as opposed to This Is Halloween - that one makes more sense to be needing some help with) and it also kind of begs the question of "did he not remember the lyrics because he got too drunk and fucked up" which might actually be even worse. But then again, a lot of artists still lip sync live performances which makes Manson forgetting lyrics actually look professional.

cataract777
07-25-2015, 10:53 AM
I'd like to ask a serious question - I'm not trying to inject even more negativity into the situation or anything, I'm genuinely asking - is it common practice for artists with very large discographies to have lyrics in front of them during live performances (I guess like presidential speeches lol)? Is it normal for artists to forget some of their own lyrics? It's hard for me to imagine that, especially because I'm willing to bet most if not all of us have never forgotten Manson lyrics in the middle of a song, but I also don't imagine artists sit there recreationally listening to their own music over and over again like we do with it. So I might be very off base with my confusion and annoyance by the fact that Manson can't seem to remember his own lyrics that he wrote and is getting paid to sing and has had ample time to rehearse, especially when it's a song that's a staple in his regular discography (as opposed to This Is Halloween - that one makes more sense to be needing some help with) and it also kind of begs the question of "did he not remember the lyrics because he got too drunk and fucked up" which might actually be even worse. But then again, a lot of artists still lip sync live performances which makes Manson forgetting lyrics actually look professional.

When he hasn't performed the song in years, whether he wrote the song or not, it makes sense for him to not remember the lyrics entirely. It's been 18 years since he's played the track live. And he has even said in interviews that he's not one to listen to his own music. But having the lyrics printed in front of him, or them being projected from a screen, I've never heard of that being done, unless you REALLY need some fucking help. Most people just rehearse the songs, and that's what he should have done...better. And it's totally possible, as we all know, that he was just too drunk to perform the song right. Hopefully he gives it another try.

DecayingSinner
07-25-2015, 10:58 AM
The part that he did get all sounds very good, but I'm assuming it's not going to stick around. Coma white is a great way to end the show, but I would love to hear man that you fear in Camden. It's not like he does casually listen to old songs, so he's not going to remember lyrics that hasn't been performed in years.

Para-Noir
07-25-2015, 11:00 AM
He doesnt sound drunk to me, just poorly prepared. Its not the first time this happens and wont be the last time. At least what they played sounds awesome
I believe i read somewhere that axl rose project his lyrics on stage, dont know if thats true

Tater
07-25-2015, 11:25 AM
I'd like to ask a serious question - I'm not trying to inject even more negativity into the situation or anything, I'm genuinely asking - is it common practice for artists with very large discographies to have lyrics in front of them during live performances (I guess like presidential speeches lol)?

Nigh all of the artists I love most live use lyric sheets during rarely played or wordy tracks.

Golden Eel
07-25-2015, 12:43 PM
I'd like to ask a serious question - I'm not trying to inject even more negativity into the situation or anything, I'm genuinely asking - is it common practice for artists with very large discographies to have lyrics in front of them during live performances (I guess like presidential speeches lol)? Is it normal for artists to forget some of their own lyrics? It's hard for me to imagine that, especially because I'm willing to bet most if not all of us have never forgotten Manson lyrics in the middle of a song, but I also don't imagine artists sit there recreationally listening to their own music over and over again like we do with it. So I might be very off base with my confusion and annoyance by the fact that Manson can't seem to remember his own lyrics that he wrote and is getting paid to sing and has had ample time to rehearse, especially when it's a song that's a staple in his regular discography (as opposed to This Is Halloween - that one makes more sense to be needing some help with) and it also kind of begs the question of "did he not remember the lyrics because he got too drunk and fucked up" which might actually be even worse. But then again, a lot of artists still lip sync live performances which makes Manson forgetting lyrics actually look professional.

Yes, it is common. But it's more used for cues and forgetting a line or two. If you're digging an old song out of your discography and it's the only new song being added to your set, you need to spend some time rehearsing and get most of the song down. Read the sheet to remember which verse goes where, but it shouldn't be used as a book for every line or as an excuse to completely wing a performance.

YoureAlreadyHere
07-25-2015, 01:28 PM
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Cage was great live
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Rest of the crowd didnt seem too impressed.

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annnd tinypic is being a bitch right now... will add more later... had a grand time, met Manson's gaze, gave Manson the finger for being a bitch about MTYF, which he saw

Oh, and, no ass for PJ. But I did get to see Coma White live for the first time since he dropped it at Jacksonville rockfest


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<3 love this shot
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<3 Love this shot SO MUCH
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-phone died-
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pre-show selfie

-Some shots found online

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so fucking gorgeous.
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Show was amazing, Manson and band were on fire rolling through the set, Manson made a few words here and there, really tickled my fancy... he kept strutting the stage and wiggling his ass... Twiggy was hard as fuck to get a good shot of, dodgy as fuck.
I started off, "on the rail", but decided to go back to second row where I had plenty of room to dance and breathe. Manson noticed me almost immediately and seemed to smile in approval... maybe it was the celebritarian cross on my cheek, or my disneed to be up close and personal. Either way, I will never forget those smiling eyes.
At one point, Manson got up behind Twiggy to show him some love.. backed off with a tissue he'd supposedly pulled out of Twig's ass.. crowd laughed, then Manson exposed a little ballooned ball that was hidden in the tissue.. he burst it and it was beautiful, to say the least, white powder dancing in the air around him... he discarded what was left in the balloon by throwing it into the crowd; I was jealous of the man who caught it...
I did, however, catch a bottle of water Manson had just chugged from. I will admit my fangirl tendancies had me pour out the remaining water and swiftly tuck the bottle into my purse (after shoving a bunch of the foil crosses and "glitter" into it).... something about the glitter falling all around...
Lunchbox was a fucking hit. AWTSW was sex to my ears, definitely had me wanting to powder my nose.
Mobscene was amazing live... better than the last performance I saw.
Man That You Fear.... set me up just to throw the mic left stage and walk off. . . Left us fans singing, "the boy that you loved is the man that you fear"... no, baby, quit being a cocktease... he walked back on for Coma White, met my gaze and my finger and bowed his head in shame.
Mr. MANSON, I can appreciate the attempt, but I can not praise your immaturity on stage, especially in retrospect to how youve treated past members' fuck ups. . .
Coma fucking White. I wanted to cry of elation. You tear me down like a whore.
Smashing Pumpkins. Holy fucking hell, Chamberlin gave me internal bleeding. Corgan is dead on. He really seemed to enjoy himself, which didnt surprise me considering the congregation of SP fans in attendance. He threw three 3 picks my way, all 3 lost in the glitter and crosses. Only 1 was recovered, by a huge SP fan. Another SP fan randomly crossed an arm around my shoulders and swayed with me to a lovely guitar solo.
Honestly, my feet were hurting so fucking bad, that I had to sit down second to last SP song (incentive from short SP fan and her 8 year old daughter standing behind me)...
My feet still hurt today. Damn boots werent made for jumping.
I have no idea how the pups got into the slideshow, but Im not removing it.

cataract777
07-25-2015, 01:39 PM
YoureAlreadyHere, those are some excellent shots! I'm glad you had a great time! Can't wait to see the rest.

mister saint laurent
07-25-2015, 01:56 PM
Maybe he didn't forget the words and they were prying him offstage - due to the aforementioned time constraints???

as i already explained, in the second half of the first verse, he started singing the second half of the second verse, realized the mistake, couldn't get back on track, and walked off stage. did you watch the video?

Heather Quick
07-25-2015, 02:10 PM
I'd like to ask a serious question - I'm not trying to inject even more negativity into the situation or anything, I'm genuinely asking - is it common practice for artists with very large discographies to have lyrics in front of them during live performances (I guess like presidential speeches lol)? Is it normal for artists to forget some of their own lyrics? It's hard for me to imagine that, especially because I'm willing to bet most if not all of us have never forgotten Manson lyrics in the middle of a song, but I also don't imagine artists sit there recreationally listening to their own music over and over again like we do with it. So I might be very off base with my confusion and annoyance by the fact that Manson can't seem to remember his own lyrics that he wrote and is getting paid to sing and has had ample time to rehearse, especially when it's a song that's a staple in his regular discography (as opposed to This Is Halloween - that one makes more sense to be needing some help with) and it also kind of begs the question of "did he not remember the lyrics because he got too drunk and fucked up" which might actually be even worse. But then again, a lot of artists still lip sync live performances which makes Manson forgetting lyrics actually look professional.

I don't blame him for actually forget the lyrics; I don't think it's a bad thing at all, I'm sure he doesn't listen to his own songs on a regular basis like us, and it's the sort of thing that can happen to any musician - I've seen Trent forgetting the lyrics for TERRIBLE LIE once, as well as Suck.
HOWEVER
He is a professional musician, he gets paid to perform, so he has the OBLIGATION to rehearse every single song he intends to play on a tour until it sounds perfect and there is NO EXCUSE for that.

"Oh, but he showed up out of the blue wanting to play the song," Then someone (Twiggy) should say to Manson, "Ok, mate, we're gonna play Man That You Fear, but let's rehearse before so we can play it properly in a couple of days." Period.

FeedYourHead
07-25-2015, 03:00 PM
as i already explained, in the second half of the first verse, he started singing the second half of the second verse, realized the mistake, couldn't get back on track, and walked off stage. did you watch the video?


"Oh, but he showed up out of the blue wanting to play the song," Then someone (Twiggy) should say to Manson, "Ok, mate, we're gonna play Man That You Fear, but let's rehearse before so we can play it properly in a couple of days." Period.

Can you imagine if any of the musicians ever forgot how to play part of a song, couldn't get their shit together, and then just walked off the stage.

Shangri-LIE
07-25-2015, 03:08 PM
Can you imagine if any of the musicians ever forgot how to play part of a song, couldn't get their shit together, and then just walked off the stage.

Isn't that the reason he fired Zim Zum? He said that by the time it came to record Mechanical Animals, that he had forgotten how to play a lot of the songs they had played on the previous, (Dead to the World), tour. lol - Smh

FeedYourHead
07-25-2015, 03:17 PM
Isn't that the reason he fired Zim Zum? He said that by the time it came to record Mechanical Animals, that he had forgotten how to play a lot of the songs they had played on the previous, (Dead to the World), tour. lol - Smh

I don't remember if this was just speculation or not, but didn't he also get into it with Jason Sutter?

Heather Quick
07-25-2015, 03:56 PM
I don't remember if this was just speculation or not, but didn't he also get into it with Jason Sutter?

JASON??? No. No. I refuse to believe it. Jason is a bloody great drummer, he wouldn't just forget how to play Manson's songs.

cataract777
07-25-2015, 03:59 PM
Isn't that the reason he fired Zim Zum? He said that by the time it came to record Mechanical Animals, that he had forgotten how to play a lot of the songs they had played on the previous, (Dead to the World), tour. lol - Smh

What I often ponder, is if the old Manson, or even the Manson from 2007, was to catch a glimpse of what he is like today...what would he think of himself?

cataract777
07-25-2015, 04:00 PM
I don't remember if this was just speculation or not, but didn't he also get into it with Jason Sutter?

I hope not, I love Jason. I also like Gil though.

Shangri-LIE
07-25-2015, 04:08 PM
This is why I said that you need to work as a band and rehearse in the last thread that I made and got called stupid for saying it. lol HaHa :confused:

FeedYourHead
07-25-2015, 05:07 PM
No I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm asking. I vaguely recall Manson flipping out at Jason on stage.

303
07-25-2015, 05:08 PM
No for Jason or Zum

Mephisto
07-25-2015, 05:18 PM
What I often ponder, is if the old Manson, or even the Manson from 2007, was to catch a glimpse of what he is like today...what would he think of himself?

Completely agree with what you said here .Definitely sharing same thoughts

NapalmHeart
07-25-2015, 07:11 PM
Manson got really angry at Jason in Vienna in 2012 when he fucked up the intro of Antichrist Superstar. Totally threw him and Twiggy off...he threw a bible at him mid-song, after the song he yelled at him and after The Beautiful People he destroyed his drum kit, even threw the base drum and almost hit Lindsay with it haha

Mistakes happen. Whatever. We also have to admit we're following every single show here on the forum and social media, so it's easy to find a fuck-up for us.

grotesquemonkey015
07-25-2015, 08:46 PM
All singers forget their own song lyrics. Nothing shocking about that! I always remember when Maynard from TOOL forgot the lyrics at one of the shows I was at. Just be grateful that Manson added a song that hasn’t been performed since 1997. He is human you guys. And by the way the performance sounded great.

VelvetAIDS
07-25-2015, 08:49 PM
. We also have to admit we're following every single show here on the forum and social media, so it's easy to find a fuck-up for us.

...I like how you can say that following discussion of a full blown tantrum.

NapalmHeart
07-26-2015, 12:51 AM
...I like how you can say that following discussion of a full blown tantrum.

I like how you can pick out that one sentence and quote it out of context just to prove a point.

I like how I can say whatever the fuck I want.

VelvetAIDS
07-26-2015, 12:54 AM
I like how you can pick out that one sentence and quote it out of context just to prove a point.

I like how I can say whatever the fuck I want.

I wasn't even insulting you, kid. calmar de una puta vez

mister saint laurent
07-26-2015, 01:20 AM
What I often ponder, is if the old Manson, or even the Manson from 2007, was to catch a glimpse of what he is like today...what would he think of himself?

I've been to every tour from Antichrist onward. I've seen Manson at the highest of highs and at the lowest of lows. Last night was by far the best he's sounded at a show I've been to in the last ten years. If you're going to pick on him for not being what he once was (and how could he be, everybody ages), just seems odd to pick on him for that when he's improved a lot the last few years.



...I like how you can say that following discussion of a full blown tantrum.

No idea if there was a tantrum or not. No reason to stay out there if he was lost and didn't think he could recover. I've seen many Manson tantrums over the years. Storming off mid song, never to return, even if there were more songs left on the setlist.

So for him to come back out and play another song, even though they were already out of time, suggests it was not a tantrum.

TMC
07-26-2015, 01:30 AM
Just be grateful that Manson added a song that hasn’t been performed since 1997.

I never expected such a christian attitude here...
As much as I'm happy for Man that you fear to be back on the setlist (for one half-assed "performance"), I just hate the lack of professionalism in the execution of this idea. Well, if he wanted to do something, how about doing it right instead of fucking up and throwing a tantrum?

cataract777
07-26-2015, 01:55 AM
After re-watching the footage of the performance, I actually don't care if he plays it again or not. It sounded really fucking boring and flat. He sounded bored and tired. I'd perhaps rather hear Dried Up, Tied, and Dead to the World. But I'm happy with the set lists he's been doing for this tour.

Shangri-LIE
07-26-2015, 03:28 AM
I never expected such a christian attitude here...
As much as I'm happy for Man that you fear to be back on the setlist (for one half-assed "performance"), I just hate the lack of professionalism in the execution of this idea. Well, if he wanted to do something, how about doing it right instead of fucking up and throwing a tantrum?

That's why I come across as Anti-Manson. I'm not. Very far from it actually. Very, very far from it. However, we can pick apart his performances. Why? Because I, for one, believe that he is destroying his own legacy. I am not afraid to say that he is a clown now. Most people will say that he has gone through so much shit in life and that his alcoholism and drug use is none of our business. This couldn't be further from the truth. He flaunts it. It's not "artistic expression". People will also say, "He's not the same person he was 20 years ago". They are absolutely correct. However, most singers who have been around have customized their music to accompany their vocal range. It IS a profession. People pay to see you play. When you are a performing artist, you have to remember, you are a product. A brand. You are providing the audience with a "service". Annnnnd I think he's been doing nothing but doing himself a major disservice.

I've had a lot of criticisms about Manson over the past several years, and for reasons many people think I am either just being an asshole, or just saying things others daren't say for the Hell of it being some kind of "Troll". Bands rehearse. Vocalists train. It's a very strenuous job even if you're just standing on stage with an instrument or a microphone. Now he DOES get hot and really nail songs still. However, he isn't just forgetting lyrics sometimes. He can still be a goofball without being a laughing stock. He can still put on a show that is hard hitting without being shocking/controversial. The truth is, other than to fans with "the cult" mentality, most people are unimpressed.

Sure, going to a show IS going to make you feel as though the performance was amazing. The atmosphere. The idea of just being able to see him in person to most. Though there can still be controlled chaos and he can still be "silly" without constantly drawing more laughs AT him than with him nowadays. And also of course, if you are drunk or on whatever substance you are on, the show is going to be AMAZING! lol

Do you know how many bands actually care about each other as people? Who have gone through personal Hell's and suffered tragic losses during tours/between tours and have still NAILED IT?!? So, don't give me that "He's depressed" shit. That's invalid at this point. Yes, Marilyn Manson, you got a divorce. You've suffered a loss. You've lost a lot of friends and have also pushed a lot of people away. You don't care about how things sound anymore for the most part.

He does still help create great songs, but we have to be honest with ourselves about this also. Again, I've always said that I am more a fan than I appear to be sometimes. But when was the last time that Marilyn Manson has actually said something thought provoking? When is the last time he's actually made you think? Think about that for a while. Also, again. When you put on a perfomance/show....most artists strive to make that show the best show that they can for their fans and also of their LIVES! The more we encourage or excuse this type of shit, the worse it will only get or it will just stay the same.

So, as a fan. "If you're going to say 'Fuck You, Marilyn Manson'. Make it Personal" lol - You're Welcome.

Over neath Man
07-26-2015, 04:45 AM
^^^^ you shouldn't post drunk. WTF are you talking about? Even the most rehearsed performers mess up. Stop trolling the tour section with your "gotcha" mentality. FFS. Some of you cry over everything.


After re-watching the footage of the performance, I actually don't care if he plays it again or not. It sounded really fucking boring and flat. He sounded bored and tired. I'd perhaps rather hear Dried Up, Tied, and Dead to the World. But I'm happy with the set lists he's been doing for this tour.
from one YouTube video you came to this enlightened conclusion?? Seriously, take a time out!

Shangri-LIE
07-26-2015, 05:35 AM
^^^^ you shouldn't post drunk. WTF are you talking about? Even the most rehearsed performers mess up. Stop trolling the tour section with your "gotcha" mentality. FFS. Some of you cry over everything.

Since when did having an opinion that varies from what someone else believes in or gets tired of hearing become trolling? Also, I don't drink anymore. I can't, not that I am or ever was an alcoholic, nor do I care if anyone else does. The point is that you can't just call someone stupid, wrong or a troll without explaining/giving an example of how and why. Simply disagreeing with someone doesn't make someone any of those things.

Charles Manson is a lunatic yet a lot of people that I know in the fan base, here/outside of the internet, see his as a genius.

Over neath Man
07-26-2015, 05:40 AM
Since when did having an opinion that varies from what someone else believes in or gets tired of hearing become trolling? Also, I don't drink anymore. I can't, not that I am or ever was an alcoholic, nor do I care if anyone else does. The point is that you can't just call someone stupid, wrong or a troll without explaining/giving an example of how and why. Simply disagreeing with someone doesn't make someone any of those things.

Charles Manson is a lunatic yet a lot of people that I know in the fan base, here/outside of the internet, see his as a genius.
I'll pick one of your most recent and latest critiques... You asked when was the last time Mansons art made you think?? This is grade-school trolling at its most reckless. I'm sure it was your intention.

Seriously, Shangs go crave attention in the other non- Manson related sub forums!

Shangri-LIE
07-26-2015, 05:48 AM
I'll pick one of your most recent and latest critiques... You asked when was the last time Mansons art made you think?? This is grade-school trolling at its most reckless. I'm sure it was your intention.

Seriously, Shangs go crave attention in the other non- Manson related sub forums!

No, it's a genuine, relevant question that you failed to answer. And there we go with that "gas lighting" I told you about. Obviously, if someone doesn't share or express the popular opinion, then they are either trolling or seeking attention. Also, there are other people discussing the very things that I am. Are they trolls or seeking attention? Know this. You will never win with me. And when people do, except for here and there, I let them. The game is rigged and when it comes to conversations, I set them up with way I want them to go, and they often go that way even if I intentionally end up looking like a fool.

YoureAlreadyHere
07-26-2015, 09:32 AM
Page 5 for more pictures, you filthy whores.

Sorry theyre sideways. :X someone halp???

Unpretty Unsafe
07-26-2015, 09:42 AM
Page 5 for more pictures, you filthy whores.

Sweet! Cool shots, buuuut... those boots, those boots, those boots of yours! Me likey! ;p

TMC
07-26-2015, 09:44 AM
That's why I come across as Anti-Manson. I'm not. Very far from it actually. Very, very far from it. However, we can pick apart his performances. Why? Because I, for one, believe that he is destroying his own legacy. I am not afraid to say that he is a clown now. Most people will say that he has gone through so much shit in life and that his alcoholism and drug use is none of our business. This couldn't be further from the truth. He flaunts it. It's not "artistic expression". People will also say, "He's not the same person he was 20 years ago". They are absolutely correct. However, most singers who have been around have customized their music to accompany their vocal range. It IS a profession. People pay to see you play. When you are a performing artist, you have to remember, you are a product. A brand. You are providing the audience with a "service". Annnnnd I think he's been doing nothing but doing himself a major disservice.

I've had a lot of criticisms about Manson over the past several years, and for reasons many people think I am either just being an asshole, or just saying things others daren't say for the Hell of it being some kind of "Troll". Bands rehearse. Vocalists train. It's a very strenuous job even if you're just standing on stage with an instrument or a microphone. Now he DOES get hot and really nail songs still. However, he isn't just forgetting lyrics sometimes. He can still be a goofball without being a laughing stock. He can still put on a show that is hard hitting without being shocking/controversial. The truth is, other than to fans with "the cult" mentality, most people are unimpressed.

Sure, going to a show IS going to make you feel as though the performance was amazing. The atmosphere. The idea of just being able to see him in person to most. Though there can still be controlled chaos and he can still be "silly" without constantly drawing more laughs AT him than with him nowadays. And also of course, if you are drunk or on whatever substance you are on, the show is going to be AMAZING! lol

Do you know how many bands actually care about each other as people? Who have gone through personal Hell's and suffered tragic losses during tours/between tours and have still NAILED IT?!? So, don't give me that "He's depressed" shit. That's invalid at this point. Yes, Marilyn Manson, you got a divorce. You've suffered a loss. You've lost a lot of friends and have also pushed a lot of people away. You don't care about how things sound anymore for the most part.

He does still help create great songs, but we have to be honest with ourselves about this also. Again, I've always said that I am more a fan than I appear to be sometimes. But when was the last time that Marilyn Manson has actually said something thought provoking? When is the last time he's actually made you think? Think about that for a while. Also, again. When you put on a perfomance/show....most artists strive to make that show the best show that they can for their fans and also of their LIVES! The more we encourage or excuse this type of shit, the worse it will only get or it will just stay the same.

So, as a fan. "If you're going to say 'Fuck You, Marilyn Manson'. Make it Personal" lol - You're Welcome.


I don't know if I'm considered to be an "anti-fan, but I'm definitely not one. I really have a lot more understanding for Manson than for any other artist, I always give him a second chance, even after seeing some horrible live performances. On the other hand, I don't feel like I have to be grateful for anything, neither do I feel that I can't criticize what the man does. I agree with separating different aspects of Manson's art. Sure, the record was very good, but the tour isn't. The videos are not good at all. It's the same as it is with David Lynch - I'm disgusted by what he does apart from his art (David Lynch foundation...), but I still love his movies, his music and sometimes his artworks. But let's get back to Manson. My attitude as a fan has changed since I became a fan in 2003. At first I felt like it was a band, and every member leaving felt like a great loss. Now I feel like Manson is a solo artist, and maybe that has a lot to do with the fact that I'm simply much less blinded and excited for every single performance, and instead I'm being realistic and critical.
When it comes to Manson's ongoing self-destruction due to breakups, losses, personal problems etc - of course different people react differently to whatever they have to deal with in their lives, however let me use Björk as an example of someone who went through very difficult times recently and yet is still able to release great albums and deliver top quality live.

Terrapin
07-26-2015, 09:45 AM
Sorry theyre sideways. :X someone halp???

I see that you used tinypic for your uploads, but I'm not really familiar with that site. Is there an option in tinypic to edit and rotate the photo? There isn't a rotate option here, so you wouldn't have much luck on this end. I know imgur has this feature, and I've never uploaded anything to that site which then turned out sideways.

YoureAlreadyHere
07-26-2015, 10:11 AM
^ ill mess with tinypic and imgur tonight on the PC. Thanks for your feedback XD

EvilDead
07-26-2015, 10:57 AM
That's why I come across as Anti-Manson. I'm not. Very far from it actually. Very, very far from it. However, we can pick apart his performances. Why? Because I, for one, believe that he is destroying his own legacy. .

How are his new shows destroying his legacy?? I saw him in April and it was the best show he has put on in years that ive seen. Go watch the 2009 tour.. that was him at his worst. He has done so much since then to only enhance his legacy. The Pale Emperor is the best album ive heard in years.

NapalmHeart
07-26-2015, 11:09 AM
Fucking up one of ~1500 performed live songs on a tour will totally destroy his legacy, duh.

I'm sure that if I followed every single performance of any other band they wouldn't be different.

cataract777
07-26-2015, 11:12 AM
from one YouTube video you came to this enlightened conclusion?? Seriously, take a time out!

One YouTube video can say a lot lol. It just sounded really fucking boring and flat as he was droning the lyrics. Don't let my small opinion bother you.

Shangri-LIE
07-26-2015, 11:38 AM
Fucking up one of ~1500 performed live songs on a tour will totally destroy his legacy, duh.

I'm sure that if I followed every single performance of any other band they wouldn't be different.

I wasn't talking about just this one show, you clod. Have you been paying attention for the past 8 years or so? I'm really getting tired of you, and I explained why you think the way that you do, so this will be the last time I reply to you. I know it won't hurt your feelings, but it will definitely spare my sanity.

And great points TMC!

Over neath Man
07-26-2015, 05:20 PM
One YouTube video can say a lot lol. It just sounded really fucking boring and flat as he was droning the lyrics. Don't let my small opinion bother you.

This is what Manson gets for trying to surprise you non-paying fans with a rare song... Perennial YouTube cynics and cynicism.
Seriously, maybe things occurred like I don't know missed cues - lighting , prop, or otherwise - that threw him off a little.

Give the guy the benefit of the doubt, he's been kicking ass recently! And this straying from the standard set list should be met with some optimism instead of the typical knee-jerk angst because something went wrong. It's rock and roll FFS. Stop shaving your vagina it's affecting the way you view the world, sweetheart! It ain't all pretty!

FeedYourHead
07-26-2015, 05:46 PM
This is what Manson gets for trying to surprise you non-paying fans with a rare song... Perennial YouTube cynics and cynicism.
Seriously, maybe things occurred like I don't know missed cues - lighting , prop, or otherwise - that threw him off a little.

Give the guy the benefit of the doubt, he's been kicking ass recently! And this straying from the standard set list should be met with some optimism instead of the typical knee-jerk angst because something went wrong. It's rock and roll FFS. Stop shaving your vagina it's affecting the way you view the world, sweetheart! It ain't all pretty!

Don't be absurd. Manson did it to himself by posting a photo of the setlist on instagram prior to the show, trying to amp people up and raising expectations. He always does this to himself. How many times has he posted a photo of his setlist before the show and then not even attempted to play the whole thing/the one new song listed on it? (Many times). If he'd stop posting things beforehand, nobody would give a shit. Everybody would have been ecstatic over like, the one minute of the song that he actually played, instead of being annoyed that it wasn't the whole thing.

Over neath Man
07-26-2015, 05:51 PM
Don't be absurd. Manson did it to himself by posting a photo of the setlist on instagram prior to the show, trying to amp people up and raising expectations. He always does this to himself. How many times has he posted a photo of his setlist before the show and then not even attempted to play the whole thing/the one new song listed on it? (Many times). If he'd stop posting things beforehand, nobody would give a shit. Everybody would have been ecstatic over like, the one minute of the song that he actually played, instead of being annoyed that it wasn't the whole thing.
So now he's wrong for expressing his excitement over what might've been or for having good intentions? Seriously, rethink your ridiculous position , just saying.

FeedYourHead
07-26-2015, 05:55 PM
So now he's wrong for expressing his excitement over what might've been or for having good intentions

Well, yes, actually. Manson sometimes makes poor decisions, get over it. But that's not even the point I was making, I was explaining to you why people were so disappointed with what had happened, because no, it wouldn't have been the biggest deal and no one would be expressing such hypercritical opinions on what occurred had he not preemptively posted a setlist photo and then not followed through (again).

cataract777
07-26-2015, 05:57 PM
This is what Manson gets for trying to surprise you non-paying fans with a rare song... Perennial YouTube cynics and cynicism.
Seriously, maybe things occurred like I don't know missed cues - lighting , prop, or otherwise - that threw him off a little.

Give the guy the benefit of the doubt, he's been kicking ass recently! And this straying from the standard set list should be met with some optimism instead of the typical knee-jerk angst because something went wrong. It's rock and roll FFS. Stop shaving your vagina it's affecting the way you view the world, sweetheart! It ain't all pretty!

How dare you, I haven't shaved my vagina in at least a month and a half.

Korpz
07-27-2015, 03:56 AM
Hold your angus tight.....

NapalmHeart
07-27-2015, 09:50 AM
I wasn't talking about just this one show, you clod. Have you been paying attention for the past 8 years or so? I'm really getting tired of you, and I explained why you think the way that you do, so this will be the last time I reply to you. I know it won't hurt your feelings, but it will definitely spare my sanity.

And great points TMC!

Hahaha you're too funny. I can feel your struggle to hold back your aggressions haha calm down, your insults don't hurt.

Actually, I have been paying attention for the past 8 years. I saw him live in 2007, 2009, 2012 and last summer. Especially the earlier shows of each tour weren't the greatest (Summer 2007 and 2009, early 2012), there have been no bad shows in 2014 and 2015. While he usually stepped up his game big time in 2007 and 2012 as the tours went on (2009 too, but those weren't the best shows overall), so far he had no need to on this tour. He started out strong in 2014 (especially Prague 2014 was insane live, you have no idea), continued strong in 2015, even without Tyler Bates and now in the co-headlining slot. Great, great shows. People I know, people I don't know, Manson fans, Manson casual listeners, Smashing Pumpkins fans and even the critics loved them. So excuse me for enjoying seeing my favorite artist too and having a good time while you're wasting your life composing 6,000 negative and frustrated forum posts lol

I know you have people on your side, and I couldn't care less, but I really don't need you to reply to me anymore, so that threat/announcement was kind of pointless :)

blue angel
07-27-2015, 09:53 AM
At least Manson considered for just one day to add a new song of Gold. Just for one day.

YoureAlreadyHere
07-28-2015, 08:03 AM
None of these are my videos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL-lAAC4jNU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6dyEe8I4z0&index=5&list=LLOmyvhSholxxMke0TbI4Fag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HGOQ2j3AHw&list=LLOmyvhSholxxMke0TbI4Fag&index=3
^twiggy got his cock sucked in Tampa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erIFSlUXrVQ
^Sylvia Platt lol bad manson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ecM4geB_c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjvNEGazzO4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99Y_FEltTI
^phenomenal experience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEuyVyIjbCE
^balls deep in the biblebelt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50653oNW5k
^coke balloon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WVTYPcR17o
^Cock aint dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfX8O_nN_-4
<3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd3EmYW4Im0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyRDqy_pE9Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKahhSzrUeM
Pretty sure someone already posted coma
Cherub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAdaOQ4DZDQ
Bullet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QP04tuV4UY
Tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDEd7EoEU8M
Ava ad<3re

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbb18tqTuCM
Zero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLZS5S7Fh-U
Crying Tree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxWKM4xr1TM
Mayo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbjILdA0Bm0
Cash/TY brother Manson into Disarm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uXjL03NXuQ
Landslide was a dream live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeBY9BcWVRs
clips from show, maybe with clips from songs I couldn't find:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCrxmCO9T2M

Lord MeowMeow
07-28-2015, 09:57 PM
That little bit of Man That You Fear sounded pretty nice. Shame it didn't work out, but overall that's a pretty solid setlist for a co-headlining tour. I'd walk away quite happy. Killing Strangers should really be brought back into the fold though, as that song was absolutely massive back in February.

The Pumpkins sound pretty good as well. Good God Jimmy Chamberlin is a beast.

YoureAlreadyHere
07-30-2015, 08:27 AM
Complete beast. He knocked me out; I could barely breathe being so close. Definitely walked away happy

blue angel
07-30-2015, 10:50 AM
"You got a lust for blood and you got no fucking reflection, son" - Marilyn Manson
that whole speech, lol.
Thanks for the videos.

YoureAlreadyHere
08-01-2015, 11:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIqsiPaRtpc
Not the best quality, but I found myself dancing with a drink in hand (Tequila Sunrise--- coincidentally, it was national tequila day)

Also found myself giving manson the bird quite a few times during the beautiful people =X
http://i.imgur.com/6JYVXhb.png left stage
http://i.imgur.com/whMTK0t.png right stage
dancing hands
http://i.imgur.com/fqjkkQ4.png
http://i.imgur.com/FT9zYzg.png
ME-A-MARIO
http://i.imgur.com/SwkOZ2a.png
http://i.imgur.com/t1JVQqV.png