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Norsefire
03-31-2015, 09:21 AM
Jul 07
THE SMASHING PUMPKINS - MARILYN MANSON
THE END TIMES TOUR
Venue: Concord Pavilion
Location: Concord, California, USA

http://www.providermodule.com/news/uploads/the-end-times-tour-hd.jpg

http://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.com/ - http://www.marilynmanson.com/




Members Attending:


IndyAlexander
Diamonds&Pollen
LittlePistol

IndyAlexander
04-01-2015, 01:12 PM
I'll be there! Can't wait.

Diamonds&Pollen
04-01-2015, 01:16 PM
I bought my Pit ticket through the pre-sale yesterday. I really hope they duet on Ava Adore again.

LittlePistol
04-03-2015, 05:52 PM
Going!!! 95 days and counting!

LittlePistol
04-03-2015, 05:54 PM
I bought my Pit ticket through the pre-sale yesterday. I really hope they duet on Ava Adore again.

Are they going to have a pit for this show? On the seating map it looks like the floor is going to be seats for this show. I even compared it to slipknot who will be playing that venue in August and their seating chart shows the floor as general admission, standing only. :/

Diamonds&Pollen
04-04-2015, 07:43 PM
Are they going to have a pit for this show? On the seating map it looks like the floor is going to be seats for this show. I even compared it to slipknot who will be playing that venue in August and their seating chart shows the floor as general admission, standing only. :/

I'm now confused about this as Ticketmaster is offering "PLATINUM SEATS" for Floor AA [at $350 each in a set of 2], and Floor CC ($275 each sold in pairs).
my Pit ticket is Floor BB which only cost $130. How is it possible that mine is less than Floor CC? I'll be stoked if i'm second row, but goddamnit, I wanted RAIL.
What did you get Little Pistol?

I guess I'll have to call the venue to really figure it out.

LittlePistol
04-05-2015, 04:19 PM
Well...when I first checked the website they only listed 1 presale which was for citi card members so I wasn't worried until general onsale because alas I don't have a citi card haha. However apparently they added 2 more presale for Internet and livenation mobile app people. Unfortunately I didn't know about this until late in the evening because of work. So...I ended up with lower level section 106 row u? I'm not sure...all I know is its the last row in that section. I am also super confused about the floor situation. I want to buy a resale floor ticket when I get paid on Friday but I don't understand it. I'm going to try calling the venue on monday....$200 + is pricey...but...it's Manson.

I am going to be pretty bummed if there are seats and no pit. Those shows just don't have the same energy....I'm pretty sure we will be seated though. :/

RockTheMullet
06-29-2015, 08:37 PM
I'll be there (and plan on recording). Does anyone know if there will be any meet and greet opportunities? Manson said in his AMA "We'll be doing a lot of meet n' greet situations." but I'm not sure if he meant for his headlining tour or what.

DecayingSinner
07-01-2015, 03:03 PM
There isn't. Who is going on last?

Cringeon
07-01-2015, 04:53 PM
Pumpkins close out the night, and should be during their set that Billy and MM do some songs.

kk_15
07-02-2015, 03:55 PM
Can we do set list predictions on this thread?

Cringeon
07-02-2015, 05:33 PM
No, please keep this show for review of the actual show. Any fan guess/wishlists should be placed in this thread
http://www.providermodule.com/forum/showthread.php/4776-Ideal-Manson-Tour-Setlist/page19

303
07-07-2015, 05:57 AM
delete.

303
07-07-2015, 05:58 AM
https://instagram.com/p/40UVazDjR4/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJMVnZ2UsAA7u2D.jpg

The endtimes are near! Hope some cool videos show up. Plus, if anyone going could film Zero by the smashing pumpkins, that would be pretty cool :)

VelvetAIDS
07-07-2015, 06:20 AM
If someone could keep tabs on the Pumpkins' set as well please <3

IndyAlexander
07-07-2015, 12:27 PM
Anyone else front row? Can't wait!

gardenofeyes
07-07-2015, 01:42 PM
Is he on yet?

DecayingSinner
07-07-2015, 01:46 PM
Is he on yet?
It's 1:45 in the afternoon in California.

gardenofeyes
07-07-2015, 01:52 PM
Oh shit. Of course. Itís 22:51 in Holland. Too eager.

kk_15
07-07-2015, 04:57 PM
I hope he keeps his facial hair for the show! Plus the bible prop might be back if that Instagram is anything to go by, probably gonna get some Four Rusted Horses again? Excited to see as always with the first shows!

Mephisto
07-07-2015, 05:13 PM
I hope he keeps his facial hair for the show! Plus the bible prop might be back if that Instagram is anything to go by, probably gonna get some Four Rusted Horses again? Excited to see as always with the first shows!

lol he's not gonna keep that goate.and the bible thing, i guess he's not going to repeat himself with four rusted horses.

kk_15
07-07-2015, 05:15 PM
How do you know? He's said himself that he is chaos so let's hope he lives upto that claim tonight and blows everyone's expectations out of the water.

Mephisto
07-07-2015, 05:23 PM
https://instagram.com/p/42V20YQ8ed/

cataract777
07-07-2015, 07:32 PM
https://instagram.com/p/42V20YQ8ed/

Very cool find! You're all over it, as usual Mephisto :)

IndyAlexander
07-07-2015, 07:48 PM
Cage just finished. Curtain is down.

bryan_65
07-07-2015, 07:57 PM
Alright time to wait and see if this show will make me buy some tickets for Nashville.

Zsa Zsa
07-07-2015, 08:10 PM
1. Deep Six
2. Disposable Teens
3. mOBSCENE

cataract777
07-07-2015, 08:11 PM
I forgot that Manson is playing first so shit is going down now. Thanks everyone for the updates.

Zsa Zsa
07-07-2015, 08:15 PM
Instagram has been quiet for about 2 or 3 songs worth of time. Likely No Reflection, since the knife mic is there.

Nola
07-07-2015, 08:17 PM
So far...

Deep Six
Disposable Teens
mOBSCENE
No Reflection
Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
Sweet Dreams

Zsa Zsa
07-07-2015, 08:18 PM
Halfway through the set, probably. Now is the time for either the same old shit, or some surprises.

Zsa Zsa
07-07-2015, 08:21 PM
Stilts are back, though.

Nola
07-07-2015, 08:28 PM
Deep Six
Disposable Teens
mOBSCENE
No Reflection
Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
Sweet Dreams (stilts)
The Love Song (podium)

cataract777
07-07-2015, 08:30 PM
The Love Song? Yessssss. I've missed it being on the set.

Nola
07-07-2015, 08:32 PM
Deep Six
Disposable Teens
mOBSCENE
No Reflection
Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
Sweet Dreams (stilts)
The Love Song (podium)
Rock Is Dead
The Dope Show

bryan_65
07-07-2015, 08:35 PM
Do I love "The Love Song" Fuck Yeah

FeedYourHead
07-07-2015, 08:41 PM
I was really hoping they would play The Love Song since guns, god, and government have been particularly prevalent in recent news headlines.

TheHighEndOfLow
07-07-2015, 08:45 PM
Angel With The Scabbed Wings
instagram.com/p/43C0NmlbXF/

Nola
07-07-2015, 08:51 PM
Deep Six
Disposable Teens
mOBSCENE
No Reflection
Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
Sweet Dreams (stilts)
The Love Song (podium)
Rock Is Dead
The Dope Show
Angel With the Scabbed Wings
Antichrist Superstar

TheHighEndOfLow
07-07-2015, 08:51 PM
Deep Six
Disposable Teens
mOBSCENE
No Reflection
Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
Sweet Dreams (stilts)
The Love Song (podium)
Rock Is Dead
The Dope Show
Angel With the Scabbed Wings
Antichrist Superstar

Angel With The Scabbed Wings was between Sweet Dreams and The Love Song.

Learning2FakeIt
07-07-2015, 08:52 PM
Did he do antichrist from the podium?

Nola
07-07-2015, 08:54 PM
Deep Six
Disposable Teens
mOBSCENE
No Reflection
Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
Sweet Dreams (stilts)
Angel With the Scabbed Wings
The Love Song (podium)
Rock Is Dead
The Dope Show
Antichrist Superstar (podium)
The Beautiful People

Zsa Zsa
07-07-2015, 08:54 PM
The OG Antichrist podium has been used, yes. Likely for Antichrist. The pulpit may have been for The Love Song.

TheHighEndOfLow
07-07-2015, 08:56 PM
http://s011.radikal.ru/i318/1507/0c/20a01743fcdd.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

The book was not for Four Rusted Horses

Nola
07-07-2015, 08:56 PM
The OG Antichrist podium has been used, yes. Likely for Antichrist. The pulpit may have been for The Love Song.

yeah, that's correct. It was indeed the white pulpit used for Love Song.

Zsa Zsa
07-07-2015, 08:57 PM
I'm assuming Hate Anthem and Coma White will close the show. Kind of disappointing, considering Lunchbox and Cake and Sodomy came back earlier this year. Maybe by the end of the tour they'll be back.

Nola
07-07-2015, 08:57 PM
instagram.com/p/43FxU_ST33/?tagged=marilynmanson

The book was not for Four Rusted Horses

he used it for AS.

Learning2FakeIt
07-07-2015, 08:58 PM
I was thinking beautiful people would be the last song. I hope you are right and we at least get hate anthem.

TheHighEndOfLow
07-07-2015, 08:58 PM
he used it for AS.

Yeah. Unfortunately.

FeedYourHead
07-07-2015, 09:00 PM
That middle photo kind of looks like an ipad. I kind of wish it were an ipad.

Nola
07-07-2015, 09:01 PM
Final Set:

Deep Six
Disposable Teens
mOBSCENE
No Reflection
Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
Sweet Dreams (stilts)
Angel With the Scabbed Wings
The Love Song (pulpit)
Rock Is Dead
The Dope Show
Lunchbox
Antichrist Superstar (podium)
The Beautiful People

Pretty disappointed.

cataract777
07-07-2015, 09:02 PM
I'm glad the usual Antichrist Superstar podium is back.

Learning2FakeIt
07-07-2015, 09:03 PM
It could be worse. He has limited amount of time and he has so many songs that he has to play. Does anyone honestly need to hear no reflection? I am hoping manson comes out and plays 1 or 2 of his own songs during the pumpkins set with billy.

TheHighEndOfLow
07-07-2015, 09:04 PM
Lunchbox was played!
https://instagram.com/p/43G13XJbRV/?tagged=marilynmanson

Zsa Zsa
07-07-2015, 09:05 PM
Lunchbox was played!
https://instagram.com/p/43G13XJbRV/?tagged=marilynmanson

That's Dope Show.

TheHighEndOfLow
07-07-2015, 09:06 PM
That's Dope Show.

And them Lunchbox :D

Learning2FakeIt
07-07-2015, 09:06 PM
It goes from the dope show and then it definitley cuts to lunchbox.

Nola
07-07-2015, 09:07 PM
wtf, I didn't get a text about Lunchbox lol.

TheHighEndOfLow
07-07-2015, 09:09 PM
wtf, I didn't get a text about Lunchbox lol.

It's the same old setlist. Just Tourniquet changed on The Love Song. Maybe something on encore.

For now setlist is:

Deep Six
Disposable Teens
mOBSCENE
No Reflection
Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
Sweet Dreams
Angel With The Scabbed Wings
The Love Song
Rock Is Dead
The Dope Show
Lunchbox
Antichrist Superstar
The Beautiful People

Nola
07-07-2015, 09:09 PM
Ah, yeah Lunchbox was after Dope Show.

RockTheMullet
07-07-2015, 09:10 PM
I hadn't seen Manson in 2-3 years, but I thought it was a great set. I had never seen Lunchbox or Angel live.

I recorded the audio, so I will get that up in the next few days.

bryan_65
07-07-2015, 09:12 PM
Final Set:

Deep Six
Disposable Teens
mOBSCENE
No Reflection
Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
Sweet Dreams (stilts)
Angel With the Scabbed Wings
The Love Song (pulpit)
Rock Is Dead
The Dope Show
Antichrist Superstar (podium)
The Beautiful People

Pretty disappointed.
At least "The New Shit and "Personal Jesus" are gone. I have grown sick of those. I think its a pretty good set considering he has to open. Angle with the Scabbed Wings is still a rare track to me. Only being consistent in sets in 97 and 2013

Nola
07-07-2015, 09:13 PM
Yeah, I'm not hearing anything negative about the performance. All good thus far.

Final confirmed set:

Deep Six
Disposable Teens
mOBSCENE
No Reflection
Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
Sweet Dreams (stilts)
Angel With the Scabbed Wings
The Love Song (pulpit)
Rock Is Dead
The Dope Show
Lunchbox
Antichrist Superstar (podium)
The Beautiful People

Learning2FakeIt
07-07-2015, 09:14 PM
He sounded good though? Wasn't too wasted ;)

cataract777
07-07-2015, 09:15 PM
Not a bad one

Nola
07-07-2015, 09:18 PM
He sounded good though? Wasn't too wasted ;)

I wasn't there. Had a friend there. He enjoyed it. Everything I'm reading on twitter is positive as well.

Learning2FakeIt
07-07-2015, 09:18 PM
This is great news. I can't wait to see the show in CO next monday!

bryan_65
07-07-2015, 09:27 PM
Nice to see that Lunchbox is staying in the set too. This seems to be a better set than the early winter shows . Although I still want Killing Strangers back.

Nola
07-07-2015, 09:27 PM
Lol, apparently everybody is having to pour all water/beer that's in cans/bottles into plastic cups now per the artist's request (Corgan).

cataract777
07-07-2015, 09:28 PM
Nice to see that Lunchbox is staying in the set too. This seems to be a better set than the early winter shows . Although I still want Killing Strangers back.

I loved that live, it was fun.

fallglimmer
07-07-2015, 09:39 PM
The Pumpkins opened with Cherub Rock and went into Bullet with Butterfly Wings.

Learning2FakeIt
07-07-2015, 09:59 PM
Any word on the Pumpkins setlist?

RockTheMullet
07-07-2015, 10:44 PM
They're still on. Opened with Cherub Rock and then Bullet with Butterfly Wings

lunchboxx
07-07-2015, 10:47 PM
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-smashing-pumpkins/2015/concord-pavilion-concord-ca-2bf69ce2.html

RockTheMullet
07-07-2015, 11:11 PM
Didn't Manson say he would be doing songs with Billy? They didnt do any

Tater
07-07-2015, 11:31 PM
Didn't Manson say he would be doing songs with Billy? They didnt do any

Great, so I can definitely get away with throwing fruit at Billy without any fear that his tantrum ending the show will make me miss out on an encore with Manson.

NapalmHeart
07-07-2015, 11:46 PM
There's something fishy about this Manson 13 songs vs. Corgan 18 songs "co-headlining" policy again. Didn't The Pale Emperor do a lot better in the charts and was generally well received whereas Corgan just did "okay"? Also, Manson has made a far bigger impact on the music scene and actually has a stage show? I would have understood it if they did some songs together in the end, but it's just the first show. Fingers crossed for the future shows. The new Antichrist Superstar guitar wasn't used either, so I'm sure some things will be switched up. Glad they had a great first show from what I've read and any Holy Wood that's added to the set is a win.

Also, it's still fucking weird to see people sitting at a Manson show? How can anyone remain seated once he enters the stage? Isn't it weird to perform in front of a bunch of sitting people who don't jump or anything? Who even thought it was a good idea to leave the seats even for rock concerts?

VelvetAIDS
07-08-2015, 12:04 AM
Did we REALLY expect anything different?

Ardis
07-08-2015, 12:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7IoS6mVed0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKBlprl6aI


Still hope he'll play Astonishing Panorama during tour...

RockTheMullet
07-08-2015, 12:43 AM
My audio sounds really good from the bit of it I sampled. If enough people post full songs up on YouTube, I might put together a multi-cam edit of the show.

FIGHTMF
07-08-2015, 01:46 AM
Manson on stilts for Sweet Dreams :)

Shangri-LIE
07-08-2015, 04:04 AM
I love the theatrical part of the shows has made a comeback..,..for now. Hopefully it continues on. However, I think he's seemed to have forgotten that he just recorded and released an album entitled "The Pale Emperor". lol - "The Past is Over" - "People who live in the past.... belong there". Right? Still, it seems like it was a great show. But yeah, apparently the new record has slipped his mind.

Smashing Pumpkins setlist

1.) Cherub Rock
2.) Bullet with Butterfly Wings
3.) Tonight, Tonight
4.) Ava Adore
5.) Drum + Fife
6.) One and All (We Are)
7.) The Everlasting Gaze
8.) Zero
9.) THE CRYING TREE OF MERCURY ....lol YEP!
10.) Mayonaise
11.) Disarm
12.) Landslide
13.) 1979
14.) Run2Me
15.) Thru the Eyes of Ruby
16.) Stand Inside Your Love
17.) United States
Encore
18.) Today

.....Dayum. And a MEET AND GREET! WOOOOOOOOO!

NapalmHeart
07-08-2015, 04:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6EHDpkXTgY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVDBBew4bG0

The audience doesn't move lol

Who's playing the additional drums that are on stage during The Beautiful People?

Superfuzz
07-08-2015, 05:05 AM
Manson have any new merch for this tour?

Also what do the Pumpkins have? Pics of either would be great.

Shangri-LIE
07-08-2015, 05:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6EHDpkXTgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVDBBew4bG0

The audience doesn't move lol

Who's playing the additional drums that are on stage during The Beautiful People?

This is why I am in favor of bands using signal jammers, using riot cannons, paint ball/rubber bullet guns and throwing shit at people in the audience. lol - Why even go to a show if you are going to stand there like a traumatized child watching your parents have lazy sex?

FuckmanQ
07-08-2015, 05:55 AM
Why even go to a show if you are going to stand there like a traumatized child watching your parents have lazy sex?
Let the boy watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq_FFLjR2hI

Scorpion
07-08-2015, 07:46 AM
What in the actual FUCK is this audience? Argh

Shangri-LIE
07-08-2015, 07:53 AM
What in the actual FUCK is this audience? Argh

Yep. We're lame. Us white people that is. HaHa lol :P


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiyLtMPuWRA

DecayingSinner
07-08-2015, 08:08 AM
Glad to see a curtain used again for the intro. It definitely builds anticipation. The setlist is pretty solid. I would do anything to hear cake and sodomy again.

RockTheMullet
07-08-2015, 08:50 AM
You can't tell from the videos there, but the whole front part of the crowd was seated, too.

Nemoris Inferioris
07-08-2015, 10:39 AM
The crowd is probably mostly SP fans. Terrible crowd.

Also, if you look in the background in the Deep Six video, it looks like the drums used in the Grotesk Burlesk Tour

cataract777
07-08-2015, 10:46 AM
The crowd is probably mostly SP fans. Terrible crowd.

Also, if you look in the background in the Deep Six video, it looks like the drums used in the Grotesk Burlesk Tour

I saw that and thought the same thing!

303
07-08-2015, 12:24 PM
The crowd is probably mostly SP fans. Terrible crowd.

Also, if you look in the background in the Deep Six video, it looks like the drums used in the Grotesk Burlesk Tour

Yeah they are. I'd love to see whats in the storage locker lol

Shangri-LIE
07-08-2015, 01:06 PM
From Rolling Stone


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/live-reviews/marilyn-manson-flails-smashing-pumpkins-soar-at-end-times-tour-opener-20150708
http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2015/article/marilyn-manson-flails-smashing-pumpkins-soar-at-end-times-tour-opener-20150708/202229/medium_rect/1436374777/720x405-MarilynManson_SmashingPumpkins_Concord.jpg

"Marilyn Manson Flails, Smashing Pumpkins Soar at End Times Tour Opener"

" Pairing of two Nineties rock antiheroes proves to be a sweet dream for only one

By Geeta Dayal July 8, 2015 - The End Times U.S. tour kicked off last night at California's Concord Pavilion, bringing with it the co-headlining bill of Marilyn Manson and the Smashing Pumpkins, which not long ago looked as if it could never happen until the actual end of the world. Though they recently rekindled their old friendship, Manson and lead Pumpkin Billy Corgan have been through a feud or three.

"I think [Corgan] might have got mad once when I told him that it would be a good marketing idea that if he sold Charlie Brown T-shirts and bald caps at concerts and he may not have liked that," Manson famously told Larry King just two years ago. "He does look like Charlie Brown a little bit, in fairness."

Last night, Corgan got his just deserts: the Smashing Pumpkins emerged victorious, while Manson seemed to be flailing.

The Antichrist Superstar's opening set was studded with big Nineties hits, plus a few songs from his latest album, The Pale Emperor, woven into the mix. He cycled through a flurry of elaborate stage sets and impressive costume changes over the course of his hour-long set, but he seemed bored – listlessly going through the motions, while his energetic, muscular band picked up the slack.

Manson perked up for his notorious cover of the Eurythmics' "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)," bouncing around the stage on a pair of towering black stilts and pointing long black ski poles menacingly at the crowd. For "The Dope Show," he had the audience fill in most the blanks, pointing the mic to the crowd as invitation for them to shout the chorus. Smoke machines, clouds of glittery confetti, a Bible that shot actual flames: none of the extravagant stage antics made up for the fact that Manson seemed like his heart wasn't fully in it.

"How many people want to hear a really, really old song?" Manson yelled, briefly jumping into the pit to high-five some fans before clambering back on stage for the closer, "The Beautiful People." A gigantic image of Manson's face flanked by crosses filled the stage backdrop. He sang the song in a rapid-fire rat-a-tat-tat, appearing eager to get off the stage and do something else.

The contrast between the pomp and bombast of Manson and the crystalline clarity of the Smashing Pumpkins could not have been starker. The Pumpkins' stage setup was refreshingly minimalist, with long white strips of fabric acting as a canvas to reflect lights and abstract patterns. Corgan wore a button-down shirt tucked into a pair of dress pants, as if he was on his way to a dinner party. (Manson looked more like a rock star in his intricate black leather outfits, but Corgan embodied the rock star.) Over the course of an hour and a half, Corgan and his band revisited their greatest hits without apology or nostalgia, peppering the set with new material, rare songs and an impassioned take on Fleetwood Mac's "Landslide."

The show marked the premiere of a new lineup for the Smashing Pumpkins – featuring original drummer Jimmy Chamberlin and bass player Jack Bates, son of Joy Division and New Order's Peter Hook – but the group played with the tightness of a time-tested unit. Corgan clearly relished the chemistry with his old friend Chamberlin, who added a fresh spark to the Pumpkins' old material. The band maintained a furious pace throughout, kicking off with the rousing "Cherub Rock," the first song on 1993's Siamese Dream, and maintaining that high level of energy over 90 minutes. It was a triumph for Corgan and the Smashing Pumpkins, and a forceful argument for the band's continued relevance. The group revisited high points from several stages in its long career, before looping back to Siamese Dream for the "Today" encore. For a minute, it seemed like it was 1993 all over again – but it was clearly and happily 2015, and Corgan and his band seem all the better for it."

FeedYourHead
07-08-2015, 01:13 PM
Sigh. The band ALWAYS picks up the slack. And by "the band" I mean Twiggy.

Golden Eel
07-08-2015, 01:29 PM
Sigh. The band ALWAYS picks up the slack. And by "the band" I mean Twiggy.

Twiggy? Could you hum a single bassline that Twiggy wrote?

VelvetAIDS
07-08-2015, 01:31 PM
SP had the better set list. Come on M, don't tease people in your interviews saying you're doing some digging if you aren't gonna deliver.

LWF+ is getting old. Love Song? Please.

Shangri-LIE
07-08-2015, 01:34 PM
Sigh. The band ALWAYS picks up the slack. And by "the band" I mean Twiggy.

Yeah, that's true.

Look, I am going to just say it in a non trying to rile people up as usual way. Despite some of the things that I say, I AM a Marilyn Manson fan. lol - However, while he is on fire for periods at a time, I really don't like the live performances much anymore. While it is different while being there, I think it could be so much more diverse as far as the set list goes. I don't by his whole "We play whatever songs are better suited/work well for the band to play more than anything else" statements.

He has his bursts, and going to see Manson, (Which I have not seen him on this tour unfortunately), but I don't really think that he feels it anymore. This is just me speaking personally. The sound isn't the same. It's all just so predictable for the most part. I don't think that, while this is only just the first show, that it will change much.

IndyAlexander
07-08-2015, 01:49 PM
The crowd was...odd. I was jumping up and down and everything, and I looked around from the front but not a lot of people seemed energetic apart from Manson saying we were "fucking awesome" or something to that effect. I feel like a majority of the crowd were Pumpkins fans.

IndyAlexander
07-08-2015, 01:58 PM
Also here's this:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/v6545s.jpg

Was only out for two songs if i remember right (weren't back to back), i can't remember which ones. I wanna say AWTSW and ACSS (I remember watching MM throw the bible back and seeing it land next to the two drums).

Edit: ugh, i don't know why it's sideways.

MMCollector
07-08-2015, 02:05 PM
i found another video from last night he sounds really good https://youtu.be/OF-VpvjHUeY

thatrussianman
07-08-2015, 02:16 PM
Not really The End Times so much as The Times.

FeedYourHead
07-08-2015, 02:44 PM
Twiggy? Could you hum a single bassline that Twiggy wrote?

Wait, really? That's a joke, right?

Also, I meant he carries most of the weight during live performances. Nothing to do with authorship.

Ardis
07-08-2015, 02:51 PM
The Love Song


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6ZCzezov0

RockTheMullet
07-08-2015, 02:52 PM
I disagree with that reviewer completely. Manson put on a good show and seemed in to it to me. The person says Manson looked bored, but he was running around all over the stage and Billy, even while not playing guitar, stood in one spot.

Also, he said the "really really old song" line before Lunchbox, not Beautiful People like the review implies.

Golden Eel
07-08-2015, 02:52 PM
Wait, really? That's a joke, right?

Also, I meant he carries most of the weight during live performances. Nothing to do with authorship.

Well. He's cool because he's Twiggy. He hasn't had any interesting stage presence in years, outside of his 'costumes'. Does he do anything other than laugh when Manson rubs on him? Along with that, the bass is definitely the least essential and least noteworthy piece of the performances. I like Twiggy as much as anyone else, but it's absolutely comical how much weight fangirls put into his presence on stage. He could come out on stage and sit in a chair and read a magazine for the show and half the fangirls would flip out after the show gushing about he was their favorite part.

So I'm just asking what part of his musical performance picks up any slack at all, let alone carries any weight during live performances?

Mansoniser
07-08-2015, 02:57 PM
One thing I would love to see is more songs from The Pale Emperor, as much as I do love the current performances more work in pushing this album in live shows would be great.

LittlePistol
07-08-2015, 02:58 PM
I disagree completely with that review!!

Manson was awesome. He sounded great...the stage energy was good especially considering that the entire show was seats, which changes the whole vibe. A lot of people left after Manson, and even more people left during the Pumpkins set. Even some people I talked to who came for the Pumpkins said that Manson had the better set hands down and they were impressed.

I was really disappointed that they did not sing an encore together, but not surprised given Billy's diva attitude. He literally stood in one spot the whole time, changed guitars but that was it. He didn't interact with or talk to the crowd at all until the very end when he wanted everyone to clap for him when he walked around bowing. Ugh.

I managed to film quite a few songs...pretty decent quality considering....I'll try and upload them tonight.

I really hope that what Manson said about doing another solo tour after this one and doing meet and greets again is true.

FeedYourHead
07-08-2015, 03:00 PM
So I'm just asking what part of his musical performance picks up any slack at all, let alone carries any weight during live performances?

There have been MULTIPLE instances where I've watched Twiggy actively correct something Manson was doing wrong, like starting a song early or not knowing which one is next. Twiggy interacts with the fans far more than the guitarists and drummers do, and does so soberly and very humbly. Sometimes it looks like his presence on stage is the only thing actually keeping Manson on the stage. Manson makes amusing and humorous comments about Twiggy, which obviously would not happen if Twiggy weren't there. Twiggy moves around on stage far more than the guitarists do, and is generally just more animated and interesting to watch. It's not about what instrument he's playing - my feelings on this were exactly the same when he was playing guitar and Fred was on bass. It's him and the way he performs and interacts, not his instrument.

JT_
07-08-2015, 03:07 PM
I like the set list, it could use a little more Pale Emperor tracks but it's solid.


I disagree completely with that review!!

Manson was awesome. He sounded great...the stage energy was good especially considering that the entire show was seats, which changes the whole vibe. A lot of people left after Manson, and even more people left during the Pumpkins set. Even some people I talked to who came for the Pumpkins said that Manson had the better set hands down and they were impressed.

I was really disappointed that they did not sing an encore together, but not surprised given Billy's diva attitude. He literally stood in one spot the whole time, changed guitars but that was it. He didn't interact with or talk to the crowd at all until the very end when he wanted everyone to clap for him when he walked around bowing. Ugh.

I managed to film quite a few songs...pretty decent quality considering....I'll try and upload them tonight.

I really hope that what Manson said about doing another solo tour after this one and doing meet and greets again is true.


How was the attendance? All the shows are selling poorly. The shows in NJ are less than a month away and still full availability inside, I was almost expecting them to cancel.

FeedYourHead
07-08-2015, 03:14 PM
I disagree completely with that review!!

Manson was awesome. He sounded great...the stage energy was good especially considering that the entire show was seats, which changes the whole vibe. A lot of people left after Manson, and even more people left during the Pumpkins set.

I was thinking about that - the fact that most of these venues are seated (obviously because Billy wanted them to be) which kind of inhibits movement and energy. I also end up walking away from [almost] every Manson show thinking it was the most amazing thing ever, and then see a bunch of horrible reviews online that I completely disagree with. I kind of believe that it seemed like Manson didn't want to be there, and I do think the setlist is pretty bad, but I... I don't know. I guess it goes back to the fact that you just don't know unless you were actually there.

Cringeon
07-08-2015, 03:15 PM
It was show one kiddos, you got two huge crews working one show. It'll take a minute for them to find the groove.


Along with that, the bass is definitely the least essential and least noteworthy piece of the performances.Someone has sniffed too much glue. Twiggy's bass has always been an intricate part of the Manson sound, but especially since this band debuted last Oct, the bass has even more so become the corner stone of the Manson sound. Twiggy's bass tone was always huge, but he's kicked it up a ton in the last year.

FeedYourHead
07-08-2015, 03:32 PM
I'm still having a temper tantrum in my head that this isn't the Marilyn Manson, The Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Hole, Jack Off Jill, Faith No More, Tool, & Garbage tour. More than half of those bands are still active and touring. Actually... are all of them? What the fuck.

cataract777
07-08-2015, 04:01 PM
I'm still having a temper tantrum in my head that this isn't the Marilyn Manson, The Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Hole, Jack Off Jill, Faith No More, Tool, & Garbage tour. More than half of those bands are still active and touring. Actually... are all of them? What the fuck.

But only some of them are still putting on good shows *cough cough*

bryan_65
07-08-2015, 04:53 PM
I really don't believe in co-headling tours. Its always a ruse. Always an opening band and headliner. I knew Mansons set we only be around an hour. I think its a pretty good selection of songs considering. And what's this I read about another tour in the fall. Hard to find everything . I am stuck a 4 year old phone right now.

Hazekiah
07-08-2015, 09:25 PM
Twiggy's bass sound is fucking MASSIVE.

Definitely not to be underestimated!

And Manson's doing at least one festival show (with Faith No More!!!) in California in late-October, which generally means more dates will be announced in California, at least. OMFG I'm trying SO hard to be more ready for the shows this Fall, fwiw.

Oh, and back to that "Rolling Stone" PoS for a sec.

"Ski poles"...?

"Pit"...?

Surely they jest, lol.

Mephisto
07-09-2015, 03:10 AM
I just checked some press articles about this show. Everyone praise SP and not even mention MM show. WTF?!

TheHighEndOfLow
07-09-2015, 03:52 AM
MM was planning to perform "Geek USA" with Billy

VelvetAIDS
07-09-2015, 04:14 AM
MM was planning to perform "Geek USA" with Billy

THAT is a pleasantly surprising choice.

S.D.
07-09-2015, 05:25 AM
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Shangri-LIE
07-09-2015, 05:36 AM
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S.D.
07-09-2015, 05:45 AM
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Shangri-LIE
07-09-2015, 06:20 AM
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No, but in all honesty, I think a healthy dose of cynicism is what keeps conversations alive. However, there is often too much. I think we're all just conditioned to it now. I never understood Fan base vs. Fan base on Co-Headling tours. Just go to the show and enjoy it. Of course, obviously, die hard fans are always going to blindly defend their heros no matter what and it's just fun to poke at them.

I've never been to Netphoria before they announced the plans for this tour. However, over there, Billy gets criticized constantly. The fans have free reign. There's an obection when it comes to anything. To be honest, truth be told, no one really gives a shit anymore for the most part. They just go to concerts for two reasons now. 1.) Just because it's something to do or 2.) To get/gain some attention, popularity and approval from icons and their content that they believe should be considered documenting an apparition of God (Not just when it comes to Marilyn Manson).

People bitch way too much. But then again, I don't think that anyone should be attacked or mocked for showing some disappointment or disapproval of the direction an artist is going in or the quality of a performance. That's why, well just one of many reasons, why I always just preferred to go to a couple or a few select shows, just have fun and leave it at that. Hell, I don't even pay attention to the shows that I DO go to anymore. I pay attention to the audience more and the various other people I get to interact with there. The music and show going on in the foreground/background is just a soundtrack to a social event to me nowadays. lol

And you can say the same for the artists themselves. They don't give a shit, or seem not to, because the fans in attendance really don't for the most part except for the first several rows. And as for Billy just "standing there". Yeah, he's going to. He's playing instruments and has to use a pedal board among other gear. Not to mention that their songs are a lot more intricate than the ones that Manson has chose for his setlist. He's a vocalist, not an instrumentalist, so of course he can just walk around and act like a goofball. You know? lol

TheHighEndOfLow
07-09-2015, 10:53 AM
It's Daniel Fox.

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TMC
07-09-2015, 11:14 AM
I've been re-watching "Talking Funny" with Gervais, CK, Seinfeld and Rock lately where they discussed whether or not a comedian should change their act completely or just add some small new parts to the already known one. In relation to this I started to think about the press conference where Manson said that he likes to have one setlist ready before the tour and that he rarely makes any changes to it because that way he feels safe and better organized. I can't say that I like that way of thinking about playing live. Such an approach could work for festivals where people don't go to see Manson, but a bunch of other artists as well, so their expectations are different. Yet, if you buy a ticket to see a specific artist, you could expect something more than "the best of" setlist. I think that that's the biggest issue I have with Manson since the AAG tour - it feels like all you can hope for nowadays is one "rare" (so, not played since 2003) song and maybe two or three songs from the new record. Personally I would much rather hear the whole new record live instead of listening to the same, old, boring singles that I skip while listening to the old records anyway, because they're so painfully overplayed.
It's sad that, even though most of the fans were expecting a lot of either never before played or not played for a long time songs, we just got the same old setlist and Love Song... The only unexpected twists so far were Sweet Dreams acoustic, Cake and Sodomy and Lunchbox.

JT_
07-09-2015, 01:26 PM
I've been re-watching "Talking Funny" with Gervais, CK, Seinfeld and Rock lately where they discussed whether or not a comedian should change their act completely or just add some small new parts to the already known one. In relation to this I started to think about the press conference where Manson said that he likes to have one setlist ready before the tour and that he rarely makes any changes to it because that way he feels safe and better organized. I can't say that I like that way of thinking about playing live. Such an approach could work for festivals where people don't go to see Manson, but a bunch of other artists as well, so their expectations are different. Yet, if you buy a ticket to see a specific artist, you could expect something more than "the best of" setlist. I think that that's the biggest issue I have with Manson since the AAG tour - it feels like all you can hope for nowadays is one "rare" (so, not played since 2003) song and maybe two or three songs from the new record. Personally I would much rather hear the whole new record live instead of listening to the same, old, boring singles that I skip while listening to the old records anyway, because they're so painfully overplayed.
It's sad that, even though most of the fans were expecting a lot of either never before played or not played for a long time songs, we just got the same old setlist and Love Song... The only unexpected twists so far were Sweet Dreams acoustic, Cake and Sodomy and Lunchbox.

Most people want the hits, sorry, its just the way it is. The 'deep cuts' crowd is in the minority and a co headlining show will cater to the majority.
Pumpkins tried that shit years ago and people stopped showing up, Billy has since smartened up. Manson has always known.

DarkBlood
07-09-2015, 03:36 PM
I have seen many Manson shows lately, I love his shows and all his songs, Every time I go see Manson I always hope for a surprise like Man that you fear, or more rare songs which I know typically won't happen and its just wishful thinking
I do on the other hand understand that a lot of people do come to see his popular hits, but I really don't quite understand why he doesn't use different hits to switch up a little bit of variety.
For instance The Nobodies, The Fight Song, (s)AINT
Those are all popular hit as well and I feel go over well with the people who want to see hits

VelvetAIDS
07-09-2015, 10:25 PM
Most people want the hits, sorry, its just the way it is. The 'deep cuts' crowd is in the minority and a co headlining show will cater to the majority.
Pumpkins tried that shit years ago and people stopped showing up, Billy has since smartened up. Manson has always known.

Wellllll that had more to do with him playing extended half hour psychedelic jam sessions and berating the crowd while playing a piss poor selection of cover songs with kuzoos more than it does actual song choice.

TMC
07-10-2015, 02:43 AM
Most people want the hits, sorry, its just the way it is. The 'deep cuts' crowd is in the minority and a co headlining show will cater to the majority.
Pumpkins tried that shit years ago and people stopped showing up, Billy has since smartened up. Manson has always known.

The problem is that Manson doesn't even try to find the balance between hits, rare and new material. All the songs he plays are singles from AS, MA, HW and TGAOG. The only exceptions are a few songs from the new record (less and less of them though), Personal Jesus and No Reflection. Almost as if EM,DM and THEOL never happened...
I always hated those old rock bands playing the best of setlists to please the people who only know the singles. It's sad that Manson is turning into one of these artists. I would much rather listen to TPE in it's entirety and maybe three or four singles at the end instead of listening to Lest We Forget played live.
There are many artists doing that, such as Morrissey for example. He plays whatever he wants to play and you can forget about hearing the most famous singles most of the time. Yet, his shows are usually sold out.

The Empirical Guy
07-10-2015, 06:21 PM
The problem is that Manson doesn't even try to find the balance between hits, rare and new material. All the songs he plays are singles from AS, MA, HW and TGAOG. The only exceptions are a few songs from the new record (less and less of them though), Personal Jesus and No Reflection. Almost as if EM,DM and THEOL never happened...
I always hated those old rock bands playing the best of setlists to please the people who only know the singles. It's sad that Manson is turning into one of these artists. I would much rather listen to TPE in it's entirety and maybe three or four singles at the end instead of listening to Lest We Forget played live.
There are many artists doing that, such as Morrissey for example. He plays whatever he wants to play and you can forget about hearing the most famous singles most of the time. Yet, his shows are usually sold out.

Agreed. Manson has said before something along the lines of that his logic is they enjoy playing songs that get a big reaction from the crowd, such as, say, Rock Is Dead. But does he not realize that, after all these years, he pulled out Misery Machine or President Dead a large contingent of the crowd would go fucking mental? Does he really think that the majority of his ticket buyers in 2015 are people going along based on some nostalgia for a single from 1999 that haven't heard anything of his since? Because most of the people I know going to Manson shows are people still buying the new albums, not people on trips down memory lane. Sure, there's going to be a few in the crowd, but you can't please all the people all the time, etc... and if they've done shit all to support your career these past 15 years, then fuck 'em, they can sit through a deep cut or new song they don't know.

Obviously the hits have to be there, but not all of them, all the time. And that doesn't just mean occaisionally swapping back and forth between The Fight Song and The Love Song. I can understand a personal decision not to play, say, Heart Shaped Glasses anymore, but mix it up. Hell, Metallica still play stuff from their largely disliked album St.Anger, because fans requested it at a show.

Idea: Manson should do a 'by request' show.

TMC
07-11-2015, 06:18 AM
Agreed. Manson has said before something along the lines of that his logic is they enjoy playing songs that get a big reaction from the crowd, such as, say, Rock Is Dead. But does he not realize that, after all these years, he pulled out Misery Machine or President Dead a large contingent of the crowd would go fucking mental? Does he really think that the majority of his ticket buyers in 2015 are people going along based on some nostalgia for a single from 1999 that haven't heard anything of his since? Because most of the people I know going to Manson shows are people still buying the new albums, not people on trips down memory lane. Sure, there's going to be a few in the crowd, but you can't please all the people all the time, etc... and if they've done shit all to support your career these past 15 years, then fuck 'em, they can sit through a deep cut or new song they don't know.

Obviously the hits have to be there, but not all of them, all the time. And that doesn't just mean occaisionally swapping back and forth between The Fight Song and The Love Song. I can understand a personal decision not to play, say, Heart Shaped Glasses anymore, but mix it up. Hell, Metallica still play stuff from their largely disliked album St.Anger, because fans requested it at a show.

Idea: Manson should do a 'by request' show.

I wouldn't even expect Manson to ask the fans what they would like to hear, I would simply expect him to say "fuck it" and play whatever he wants. What he does instead is playing what he thinks the fans want to hear, which is completely wrong. I'm sure that people who remember seeing Manson's video on MTV in the 90's but who never really cared too much for him since are not going to pay for the ticket just to hear that one song that they remember. At the same time focusing on the old material seems like a way of saying "I haven't done anything good since then" which is a weird attitude coming from someone who claims that his new record is always the best one ever.

RockTheMullet
07-11-2015, 11:38 PM
Here's my recording from the first night of the End Times tour in 320 MP3. If anyone really wants the flac version, I can upload it, but I don't know if any of you care about lossy vs, lossless.


FREE TRADE ONLY. NEVER FOR PROFIT.

Source: CSB's > Tascam DR07mkII Portable Stereo Digital Recorder @ 16bit48khz > Tracked in Audacity > MP3 (320)

01. Intro
02. Deep Six
03. Disposable Teens
04. mOBSCENE
05. No Reflection
06. Third Day of A Seven Day Binge
07. Sweet Dreams
08. Angel With the Scabbed Wings
09. The Love Song
10. Rock Is Dead
11. The Dope Show
12. Lunchbox
13. Antichrist Superstar
14. The Beautiful People

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Norsefire
07-12-2015, 11:33 AM
Didn't see these posted unless I skipped a page, but this user: https://www.youtube.com/user/AdmiralNeeda/ has some great front row videos up!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJXktjYaiEY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzu4WNtfWEM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxGQ1NUP5cs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M86VFL1WZ4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSJCLiY3dEg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU1iXmdaU8A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpRuLWbTyT8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06V-pl4o6YM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwwyd9YtiSA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQQCfSGQ0XE

YoureAlreadyHere
07-14-2015, 11:18 AM
The Empirical Guy:


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The Empirical Guy
07-16-2015, 04:42 AM
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cashinhand
06-27-2017, 07:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwwyd9YtiSA


I was watching this video last night and I noticed that Manson comes in too early and starts singing four bars before he's supposed to, so the sound guys shut off the backing track to keep the song from becoming a mess. So the synth stuff you normally hear, especially during the chorus, isn't there, it's just the drums, bass and guitar, and it still sounds pretty heavy. Very interesting to hear Antichrist without the backing track.

FuckmanQ
07-02-2017, 06:29 PM
That Lunchbox performance was utter shit. I hate that wailing shit he does now. I miss the crisp and concise vocals he used to have. Now he just carries the lyrics out in a drawn out wailing sound that makes me cringe everytime.