PDA

View Full Version : "It's better to be blamed for robbing Peter than guilty for paying Paul"



mirthavidela
06-29-2015, 12:37 AM
Well, I was so curious about that phrase so I looked for some indo and found the story of Saints Peter and Paul, found that their story was in the empires era, when they were against emperors to teach about Christ. Here's the story. Anyone who can mention something else, always welcome!

St. Peter

St. Peter, originally known as Simon, was a fisherman by trade. Jesus called Peter, along with his brother Andrew, James, and John, to leave everything behind to become His followers. Jesus said to them, ďCome after me, and I will make you fishers of menĒ(Matthew 4:19).

It is because of Peterís confession of faith in Jesus as Messiah that Jesus gave him the nickname of ďrockĒ and stated that it was upon the rock of Peterís faith that the Church would rise (Matthew 16:18). All the Gospel writers list Peter first when naming the apostles of Jesus. Time and again in the Gospels, however, Peter demonstrates that his faith is imperfect, but growing. He says things that make Jesus react strongly: he denies that Jesusí coming death should ever be allowed to happen (Matthew 16:22), tells Jesus at the Last Supper that He will never wash his feet (John 13:8), and denies association with Jesus three times, even after Jesus predicted that he would do so (Luke 22:61) . St. Peter can show us how difficult discipleship can truly be, but is also an example of the Lord choosing the weak and making them strong in bearing witness to Him. Peter was martyred (crucified upside down on a cross) for the Faith in the year 64 in Rome, the city he served as its first bishop. St. Peterís feast day is February 22nd, the feast of the primacy of St. Peter.

St. Paul

St. Paulís background and journey of faith is somewhat different from St. Peterís. Paul, who was originally known as Saul, was an educated Jew and a member of the Pharisee party, as well as being a Roman citizen. He first appears in the pages of Scripture in Acts 7:58, as being present at the martyrdom of St. Stephen, the first of Jesusí followers to be put to death because of his faith in Jesus. Saul persecuted the Christians savagely, but was dramatically converted to the very One he had been persecuting after seeing Jesus in a vision (Acts 9:4). From that time on, Saul, who was now known as Paul, poured the same energy with which he persecuted Christís followers into bringing the Gospel of Jesus to many people.

Paul traveled around most of what was the Roman Empire, establishing Christian communities. His many letters form the bulk of the writings of the New Testament. Paul was also martyred in Rome, three years after St. Peter, in the year 67 AD, by being beheaded (His Roman citizenship would not permit his being crucified). The feast commemorating his conversion is January 25th.

Peter and Paul represent two strikingly different approaches to discipleship. Peter had to learn slowly, make many mistakes along the way, but always experienced the compassionate forgiveness and encouragement of Jesus. Paul, on the other hand, came to the Faith immediately and never backed away from his zeal for Christ after that. Many of us can see both these great Apostles in ourselves. Like Peter, we sometimes fail but yet persevere. Like Paul, we must always be on fire for the Lord, and proclaim Him to everyone and in every situation, no matter how difficult it can sometimes be to do so. The feast day of St. Peter and St. Paul is celebrated on June 29th.

mirthavidela
06-29-2015, 12:47 AM
Holy shit... It celebrates the same day I looked for it... O.o

Neves
06-29-2015, 05:58 AM
To a very large extent, Paul created Christianity, like Nietzsche claimed.

Manson15Marilyn
06-29-2015, 01:11 PM
I always figured the line was about how Peter was a generally good guy in his lifetime where Paul went around saying a bunch of shit Jesus never said and being a charismatic elitist about Jesus.

mirthavidela
06-29-2015, 01:24 PM
There was a Serie "Peter and Paul" back in the 80's where Peter follows Paul's steps, he continued his works or something like that if I'm not missunderstandig it. So he prefers to be blamed by following someone's steps than to being guilty to start the shit.
I think Pale Emperor has something about Manson telling fans to worship him, as divine, as the emperor. Like he's already on the throne just need his apostoles, or worshippers.

MistressOfClouds
07-04-2015, 01:48 AM
Well, I was so curious about that phrase so I looked for some indo and found the story of Saints Peter and Paul, found that their story was in the empires era, when they were against emperors to teach about Christ. Here's the story. Anyone who can mention something else, always welcome!

As a non-native speaker, I had to look up the original phrase "rob Peter to pay Paul". So it's wordplay, once again. I guess everyone from english speaking countries already knew that, but for all the others:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rob_Peter_to_pay_Paul

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Robbing+Peter+to+pay+Paul

Pretty nice interpretation on Genius.com:

http://genius.com/4709027/Marilyn-manson-the-devil-beneath-my-feet/Its-better-to-be-blamed-for-robbing-peter-than-guilty-for-paying-paul-its-better-to-be-blamed-for-robbing-peter-than-guilty-for-paying-paul

Hazekiah
07-04-2015, 02:20 AM
If someone could at least correct the obvious typo in the thread title that would be GREAT, lol.

>_>

Manson15Marilyn
07-04-2015, 07:14 AM
I like that. I admit I'd never heard that phrase before. So basically what it says is, 'It's better to have control of who/what you are than to let someone else have the control/influence on that. Kind of harkens back to Born Villain:

You decide if you can live, or decide to let someone decide for you

Shangri-LIE
07-04-2015, 05:23 PM
Look, you're very insightful. However, I cannot provide any sort of input because there is something wrong with the title of the thread. I really can't. I just can't. Sorry. lol

mirthavidela
07-05-2015, 05:29 PM
It was 5:30 in the morning from a cellphone, please don't expect me to write perfect, even for a letter mistake everyone can live, I'm not making any surgery... :mad:

Shangri-LIE
07-06-2015, 06:24 AM
It was 5:30 in the morning from a cellphone, please don't expect me to write perfect, even for a letter mistake everyone can live, I'm not making any surgery... :mad:

I liked the topic. I was making fun of Hazekiah and other tightwads around here. <3 LOL *Smile*

mirthavidela
07-11-2015, 10:18 AM
It's ok! I wasn't mad .
Now trying to look if 3rd day of a seven day binge and Pale emperor, maybe High end of low and born villain hace something to do with Jesus story... I'll try to analyze this better and deeply

S.Hal0mega.B
07-25-2015, 05:45 AM
Oh for fuck's sake, i do appreciate this analysis but where is S.D etc...

We all know about Saint Peter and Paul. What I'm rousing here is a need for a more in depth analysis like the old times during the triptych (subjectively including The Golden Age of Grotesque).

mirthavidela
07-25-2015, 09:38 PM
Do it! :p

NightChameleons
07-26-2015, 01:58 PM
Peter admits souls into heaven in Catholic lore, so robbing Peter could be seen as "stealing souls" away from God or leading people away from the pearly gates. Manson has been blamed throughout his career for leading the young astray. But, its better to be blamed for this than to be guilty of paying Paul, the founder of institutionalized Christianity (ie, paying one's debt to religion).