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Penance Sentence
01-16-2016, 05:19 AM
Anarchist? Golden Dawn? Social Democrat? Ba'athism? Integralist? Social Corporatist? Blue Shirt? Iron Guard? Strasserist? Bonapartist? Japanese Imperialist? Syndicalist? British Union of Fascists? Kemalist? Traditionalist? Capitalist? Marxist? Transhumanist? Classical Liberalism? Monarchist? Ukrainian Social Nationalist? Communist? Nasserist? Undecided? Conservative? National Anarchist? Voluntaryist? Corporatist? National Socialist? Zizek? Distributist? Neo Liberal? Falangist? Fascist? Platonism? Chomsky? Fatherland Front? Rexist? National Bolshevist? Georges Sorel? Salazar? National Communist?

I would like to get to know the posters here a little better. Hopefully we have a nice mix of ideologies here. There are so many titles to place yourselves in. Tell of who you are and why you tend to follow that path more than others.

Penance Sentence
01-16-2016, 05:21 AM
Maybe could be moved to Ideology section.

Shangri-LIE
01-16-2016, 05:55 AM
None of the above. I just do whatever I want.

Penance Sentence
01-16-2016, 06:00 AM
Was just a guideline to get blood flowing to areas of the brain not normally considered, to see varied answers.

Shangri-LIE
01-16-2016, 06:07 AM
I believe in God and God is not invisible. All you have to do is look around to see God. God is everything. Even if we created God. So, I just do what Jesus would do.

Penance Sentence
01-16-2016, 06:12 AM
That's a really good answer. It's always nice to see that view expressed, as opposed to dogged Atheism.

It's an inspired viewpoint.

Shangri-LIE
01-16-2016, 06:34 AM
It's always fun to have fun with theists and atheists. As well as various Political groups/parties and just people in general. Why? Because we'll never truly ever have a fix or a conclusive answer nor solution to any problem or probability/improbability. So, I guess to answer your question, I just live my life. There will never be a completed "puzzle". I know this is really more of a Political/Philosophical thread, but I watched a really interesting video on TED Talk called "The End of Physics". It's something I already knew all along. That's why whenever I post on here, I don't bother really trying to, or expecting to rather, really prove or disprove anything. That or say anything that even remotely makes any common sense. My brain is in the entertainment industry.

Penance Sentence
01-16-2016, 06:43 AM
Yeah, it'll probably fit, to some length. It sounds like it will, because Psychics is just one memetic idea of zeitgeist, and ideas are lost and gained, just like evolutionary genetics for personality traits for I'll check it out later.

I agree with that; humankind, no matter what they believe at a certain time, is for evolutionary purpose of survival. The human condition is a complex one. It's why I posted this, because everyone has a nice little algorithm of more or less, the same beliefs.

M Tragedy666
01-16-2016, 11:36 PM
I don't much care for titles, as few beliefs or views are so black and white that I feel comfortable inundating myself onto those groups. I will however forgive your statement that us atheists are "dogged". I can only speak for myself, but clearly we atheists are not doing a very good job if we are constantly coming across and strident and tenacious. It's unfortunate. At the same time, it's gone far too long that we have been ignored. Other minority groups with far less numbers get much more attention, like LGBT, for example. But I digress. Shangs said "...never truly ever have a fix or a conclusive answer nor solution to any problem or probability/improbability." It depends on what you mean. There are many things we have as strong of a conclusive answer to as we can imagine. There are many solutions to many problems. I don't like getting tangled in philosophical arguments of objective versus subjective "truths", but you can bet that some things are as "objectively true" as necessary to warrant action or belief. If we are talking about god(s), of course it's probability or improbability are impossible to assess. But I ask you to use common sense. I'll use Bertrand Russell's example of a tiny teapot circling a planet in our solar system. None of our most powerful telescopes can detect it, but still, you cannot disprove it being there. Just like you cannot disprove the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, fairies, or anything else. The oneness is on the person making the claim to provide evidence. I see no reason to take these claims seriously, except for Santa, of course. Santa Claus is an absolute fact, and I'll continue believing in the jolly fat man for as long as I live! But this is a bit of a tired point, I think, as I'm pretty sure the three of us have discussed the issue of god(s) before. I have something far more valuable to add to this discussion, so please, keep reading if you've made it this far. Before I get to it, first I just want to also say how post #5 is (though I agree with you 100%) a tired point and is very obscurantist. People have been saying similar esoteric metaphorical things way before Manson, and will continue to do so. But as this is a Manson forum, I'll use his example of "God is in the t.v.". It sounds profound at first, but it's just a metaphor for anything that we obsess or perhaps even take interest in. That is our "gods". The more time we spend thinking or involving ourselves in whatever it is we are into, that can be thought of as "worshipping" said gods. It sounds clever to make points like that, but it's been done so many times and the problem with making vague statements like that, although thought provoking, doesn't address any serious question of any possible real god(s). So, I generally think people sometimes say things like that because it sounds profound when it becomes rhetoric and doesn't really enhance our learning unless you follow up with specifics. But I'll assume we are all smart enough on this board to understand exactly what you meant, and as I said, that version of "God" that you described, is a God that I too worship and believe in.

I just had to finish that point before I get to what I really wanted to say. Since this topic is about labels, I'd like to share something with you that happened to me today. Long story short, I found myself in a communist book store. I found that they were generally good people from what I could tell, and they were atheistic and accepted the truths of evolution and other things that I support. A major topic being women's rights. I strongly support equality of men and women, and I think it's bullshit that in this country, men will still get paid more than a women for doing the exact same job. If that isn't sexist or oppression of some kind, I don't know what is. I think women should have a right to have an abortion, they should vote, etc, etc, etc,... So, these radical left wing commies agreed with me on many levels. And then I saw that they wanted to ban pmm..ornfggf... ogrdd/// aphy. I got into a long debate with someone who worked in the store. I happen to have friends in the p.0 rkrn industry, and also nude dancer friends. They are saying that this exploits women?! Many dancers I know feel empowered being on stage, and if anything, it's not degrading to the woman, but to the men all too eager to let go of their hard earned cash. There are many types of fetish p,,k 0rn ogmmm..raphy. Male humiliation, for example, is when the female degrades the male. And what about gay p%%#orddn? Anyway, they were trying to say that it is violent. So what? As consensual adults that sign a contract to make a fantasy video, I don't even care if r..,(ape) is simulated. Because, IT'S FUCKING FAKE!!! I of course would never support anything like that that was genuine. I find it very disturbing that people are out there that want to censor and even ban some art. They think that the act of penetration is some sort of violent act. This is twisted radical bullshit. I hated senator Rick Santorum. He was a right wing Christian conservative republican candidate a few years back. He want to end pornography too. So, I thought I fit in better with liberals on the left. But I happened to find out first hand the once you go left to a certain extent, they are exactly the fucking same. It's almost like a circle, or earth itself. You keep going left/west, eventually it's a blur and becomes right/east. I was very disappointed and disenchanted. Just one final statement of clarification: I was not investigating this bookstore because of any interest in turning into a communist or something like that, rather, an author I like was to do a book signing, and so I thought I'd check the place out. It was frustrating seeing people who's intentions were good--women's rights are important-- but they didn't even give women (or men for that matter) the least amount of respect or courtesy that we can make our own decisions and can do whatever the fuck we want. I'm happy to live in a "free" country. We have a lot of problems here, but banning something that has been around forever and forcing people who WANT to take part in it, not to, that is wrong. I'm happy to have heroes like Howard Stern, Larry Flynt, and Marilyn Manson who has embraced and challenged sexuality and she xual norms. We don't need less sex, we need a MORE stimulated and she xualized society that legalizes prostitution. We need to take back all the guilt that religion has given us through millennia. I want us to become more like chimps and bonobo's, are closest common relatives, who all fuck each other all the time. And yes, prostitution even exists in those species as well. God Bless 0..dkg rgies!

M Tragedy666
01-16-2016, 11:37 PM
Sorry for the bogus edits. I wish something could be done about the filter on this site so that we could speak more like adults and not be censored! I realize it's not your fault, Provider Module, just saying.

Penance Sentence
01-17-2016, 12:47 AM
Good post.
Sounds more like you're against Organized religion, more than Notion of God.
The God debate is the most worthless topic, so I won't even go there. Basically, just flip 'God' and 'Universe,' and we talking about the same thing.
It's Semantic Debate.
Either Universe created itself, in which case it's God, or a Creator created the Universe, in which case, God still exists.

Shangri-LIE
01-17-2016, 12:54 AM
I'll post something actually more serious later. But I've always said that "God Exists and we'll never out.". LOL

Penance Sentence
01-17-2016, 01:10 AM
Heheh, on a side note, before this thread blows up, why don't you delete some messages in your inbox sometime? I've been wanting to message you about something.

M Tragedy666
01-17-2016, 01:36 AM
I hope you guys read the second half of what I wrote. That was where I wanted to really add to the discussion, not the god debate. But just to answer your question, yes I'm deeply against organized religion. And regarding god, if you mean "god" in a metaphorical sense, well that's fine. But if you are talking about a divine creator who is theistic (personal) answer prayers, started life and the universe, etc... I have a problem with that too. There is no evidence for it. The word "god" is in grained in our culture and vocabulary. If I stub my toe, I might say "god damnit!". I don't believe in any notion of a "god" that most people are talking about when they pray or anything of the like. Even a non-personal deistic god seems unlikely. But if you are using the word in an artistic way to establish metaphor and talk about something...like, my cat is god to me. My cat is my god. Well, that's fine, just know that it's obviously a metaphor. God is in the t.v. and so forth. But what I really was hoping you guys would have commented on was my bizarre experience in a communist bookstore that had a pseudo-moral ideology that wants to ban the only reason the internet exists!!!

Shangri-LIE
01-17-2016, 01:43 AM
I hope you guys read the second half of what I wrote. That was where I wanted to really add to the discussion, not the god debate. But just to answer your question, yes I'm deeply against organized religion. And regarding god, if you mean "god" in a metaphorical sense, well that's fine. But if you are talking about a divine creator who is theistic (personal) answer prayers, started life and the universe, etc... I have a problem with that too. There is no evidence for it. The word "god" is in grained in our culture and vocabulary. If I stub my toe, I might say "god damnit!". I don't believe in any notion of a "god" that most people are talking about when they pray or anything of the like. Even a non-personal deistic god seems unlikely. But if you are using the word in an artistic way to establish metaphor and talk about something...like, my cat is god to me. My cat is my god. Well, that's fine, just know that it's obviously a metaphor. God is in the t.v. and so forth. But what I really was hoping you guys would have commented on was my bizarre experience in a communist bookstore that had a pseudo-moral ideology that wants to ban the only reason the internet exists!!!

I'm going to. I just woke up. I have some books and other things that I want to show and share with you, so I'll send you my contact info as I promised like a fucking month ago here in a bit. What I post here is just for self amusement, but I think we'd have some actual good conversations about this type of stuff. I'm part of a few other groups outside of these forums where, well, I guess you could say you can't really "share" a lot of information and there's no point in doing it here in threads for the most part. And not just Religious stuff either. Ttys and I'll go read that here in a few. Right now, my coffee is my Saviour. LOL

Penance Sentence
01-17-2016, 01:44 AM
God simply means Creator. Do you believe in Creation? Do you believe you exist
I'm more Pantheistic, Polytheistic, as well as Monotheistic (all things considered), as well as Atheistic, as well as Deist. You can use whatever word that you want, but it's more political to be an Atheist, than anything else, which is why I identify as one.

And, I did like your political statement, but I'm waiting for more replies, to discuss politics.

Shangri-LIE
01-17-2016, 01:52 AM
God simply means Creator. Do you believe in Creation? Do you believe you exist
I'm more Pantheistic, Polytheistic, as well as Monotheistic (all things considered), as well as Atheistic, as well as Deist. You can use whatever word that you want, but it's more political to be an Atheist, than anything else, which is why I identify as one.

And, I did like your political statement, but I'm waiting for more replies, to discuss politics.

This may or may not be total quackery, but as I've said before, "Look Around" and you'll see God. Everyone is always trying so hard to prove or disprove the idea/notion of a God/God(s) existing. But at the same time, people consider being Religious as having a mental disorder. Well, with say, Schizophrenics. Those voices, both visual and auditory are fucking real to them. It effects their lives. It controls their actions. That's their reality. While not an objective one, it's still their reality and that is the World that they live in. And I don't think of Science as a belief system, but I love to fuck with people and say well you have to or MUST believe in a theoretical possibility or have enough faith in it's validity to investigate it. And Politics is based on beliefs. Words spoke and as well as written that are harder to believe than any person who believes in God, actually.

Penance Sentence
01-17-2016, 02:02 AM
Yeah, I never understood the Scientific mindedness on a website dedicated to an ARTIST. Religion, Spirituality, Art, and Philosophy are the same exact thing. Think about it.

And yes, politics are based on zeitgeist beliefs, which is why I'm for Atheism, and against ORGANIZED religion. Anyone who is a strict Atheist, has obviously never had chaotic sex, constantly contemplated philosophy to its logical extent (nihilism), or find any kind of spirituality or inner law. And, this objective Art/Religion/Spirituality/Philosophy is present in ALL people.

Truth IS a subjective thing, but when someone discovers their inner truth (through Art/Religion/Spirituality/Philosophy), it becomes an objective thing because we are all capable of this realization.

I honestly don't believe in people who say they don't believe in God. Only if they are Militant Politically-inclined fellows.

Shangri-LIE
01-17-2016, 02:19 AM
Yeah, I never understood the Scientific mindedness on a website dedicated to an ARTIST. Religion, Spirituality, Art, and Philosophy are the same exact thing. Think about it.

And yes, politics are based on zeitgeist beliefs, which is why I'm for Atheism, and against ORGANIZED religion. Anyone who is a strict Atheist, has obviously never had chaotic sex, constantly contemplated philosophy to its logical extent (nihilism), or find any kind of spirituality or inner law. And, this objective Art/Religion/Spirituality/Philosophy is present in ALL people.

Truth IS a subjective thing, but when someone discovers their inner truth (through Art/Religion/Spirituality/Philosophy), it becomes an objective thing because we are all capable of this realization.

I honestly don't believe in people who say they don't believe in God. Only if they are Militant Politically-inclined fellows.

And that's something that I've always pointed out. Especially with two threads in particular. Asking if Religion is Dangerous on a Marilyn Manson website, for one. Do you really think that I thought that people would say "no"? LOL - That and I made a poll/thread about ...something about is discussing the paranormal a waste of time, to which it got a resounding number of YES'S, which I consider/considered to be quite peculiar given all of Marilyn Manson's references to mythological/esoteric ideas, concepts, symbolism etc....

And as for Atheism, just like Theism, that is a statement that you have a 100% conviction, or lack thereof, in something. I've always also said that Religion is a necessary evil much like we need a Government to provide for us and keep order. Even if it makes people stupid, violent and delusional. My idea of progress is different than a lot of people that I've gotten to know or just have spoken to/speak to. The same people that call/say that Chakra's are bullshit but know that Dark Matter and other "invisible" atoms and particles surround and pass through us all of the time. The same people who say that Ghosts aren't real who say that it's all just a hallucination. Well, what if I were to say that memories were Ghosts or that ideas and thoughts were as well? They still exist even long after you've experienced something, or after someone in your life or that you've met has come and gone. And as for being a Pantheist, I'd say that's the closest thing I can label myself as or identify with, and I actually have said that before on here.

I think anything that can exist exists or has the potential to. We've reached the limits of what we can discover for the most part in the Universe. And as observers ourselves who say that if we can't see it, then it's not real. Who is to say that there isn't some other Civilization in a hypothetical Universe who has the ideas of Humans, but also cannot observe us, so therefore to the, we don't exist?

Penance Sentence
01-17-2016, 02:27 AM
Well, that's the point: every moment is changing, so NOTHING exists.
And Atheism always approached itself to me as a very primitive form of Nihilism.
The logical extent of primitive Nihilism is the belief in Absolute Change, and Hatred, and Denial.
And, it's very fucking reLIEgous.

Shangri-LIE
01-17-2016, 02:51 AM
Well, that's the point: every moment is changing, so NOTHING exists.
And Atheism always approached itself to me as a very primitive form of Nihilism.
The logical extent of primitive Nihilism is the belief in Absolute Change, and Hatred, and Denial.
And, it's very fucking reLIEgous.

Well, I'll address this and then I have to read what MTrag had to say. Then we'll discuss Politics. A cacophonous Global Language that I like to call BLAHWEH. But I see being an Atheist as too easy. Of course the idea of a Sky Daddy with a flowing white beard is ridiculous and other parables that are in a lot of Scriptures. But even without the technology that we possess today, people of Ancient Judea, Mesopotamia, Tibet, Egypt, Sumeria etc.... were very scientifically minded. They were astronomers, engineers, agriculturalists, architects. They weren't all crazy men in caves talking to themselves and pacing back and forth like an autistic kid in a fun house. But to say yes, absolutely to anything, or absolutely not to anything is naive, too easy and arrogant for the reasons I've stated above. I don't like people with fundamentalists mindsets, and no that's not just in a Religious context. People who have to constantly prove how fucking "rational" they are bother me. Even when it comes to Evolution for example, we're still learning things. Though a lot gets omitted during discussions about it. Things such as gene swapping, the The HERV-K virus etc... Also, "Whether the mushrooms came from outer space or not, the presence of psychedelic substances in the diet of early human beings created a number of changes in our evolutionary situation. When a person takes small amounts of psilocybin visual acuity improves. They can actually see slightly better, and this means that animals allowing psilocybin into their food chain would have increased hunting success, which means increased food supply, which means increased reproductive success, which is the name of the game in evolution. It is the organism that manages to propagate itself numerically that is successful. The presence of psilocybin in the diet of early pack- hunting primates caused the individuals that were ingesting the psilocybin to have increased visual acuity. At slightly higher doses of psilocybin there is sexual arousal, erection, and everything that goes under the term arousal of the central nervous system. Again, a factor which would increase reproductive success is reinforced." - Terrance McKenna

Penance Sentence
01-17-2016, 02:59 AM
Even if Reality constantly changed, then decided stayed the same(and sameness would be a single/united moment) for all eternity, Nothing would be the Only thing to Exist, because of evolution of erratic, to complacent is still erratic behavior.
If Change exists now, it must always exist.

"But to say yes, absolutely to anything, or absolutely not to anything is naive, too easy and arrogant for the reasons I've stated above."
Still an absolute statement/conclusion being made there.
And God IS absolute, which is why I believe in many forms of God.

Shangri-LIE
01-17-2016, 03:05 AM
Even if Reality constantly changed, then decided stayed the same for all eternity, Nothing would be the Only thing to Exist, because of evolution of erratic, to complacent is still erratic behavior.
If Change exists now, it must always exist.

Alright. Politics. Where do you want to start? Not like the thread that I started just to see how many smart aleks I could get to prolapse into frantically having to correct me, which was fun to watch unfold. LOL

Penance Sentence
01-17-2016, 03:10 AM
Start let's talk Communism and relation to Anarchism/Capitalism, and contrasts.

Shangri-LIE
01-17-2016, 03:31 AM
I think the biggest problem that we have, well one of them, is that we are a Nation of Anarcho-Capitalists who are at the mercy of Plutocrats. As for Communism, there is an overbearing amount of coercion and while crime rates may be lower in some Communist States, they often suffer monetarily by rejecting the US Dollar as well as the Pound Sterling and the Euro and end up collapsing due to that. There's a potential currency that they're trying to develop in case of a total financial collapse called the "Amero" that would combine multiple currencies into one. And if you've been paying any attention, China's market is crashing. They are our lenders and we are their customers. Who do you think is going to "pay" more/the most for that?

Penance Sentence
01-17-2016, 03:54 AM
As for governments, I think they can all be generally sustainable. I don't have personal politics myself, as in, trying to appeal to a certain philosophy. It would be too silly for someone like me, to even be an Anarchist. I believe eventually we will revert back to an Anarchistic world; I truly believe it is inevitable. I mean, if there were a nation of people who were very high intelligence, where music such as MM became the norm, I really don't think a government could possibly exist. It'd be like a bunch of subgroups/tribes living independently. It's kind of like that now, but the disparity between leader/ruler/reigner intelligence and citizen intelligence is too far apart for there to be small tribes of people, but larger governments instead. A great example would be to look at just about any country in Africa. I think Anarchism is the logical result of the average person becoming too intelligent and self-aware, that he no longer feels he needs any presider/overseer.

Capitalism will always function to ostracize a specific sect of society, to keep competition at an all-time high. The more downcast someone is, if segmented properly, can lead to a nice (albeit controlled) set of competition that seeks to use differences, and class, race, gender hate, etc as fuel on the citizen's ego, to augment production for society. The only problem with this, is that people become too compartmentalized (like what is happening now), and there is no 'golden ratio' to instigating internal conflicts for the benefit of the society, so eventually downcast groups become too segmented that there is either splitting/civil war, or worst case, a primitive form of anarchy.

Communism should work, and it sounds great, but I think could only work where the workers are virtually clones, and the leaders are class/race/group/ethnicity of themselves. The only problem with a Communistic society, is lack of Art, because of sameness, so what is the point of inspiration for working (unless there is a Unitarian religion that EVERYONE agrees with). And dissenters/rebel artists (like that one Chinese Artist) eventually will cause a dissent, to where Communism breaks down. But, with like genetic cloning, and things of that nature, it may be theoretically possible to create a nation of genetic clone workers, and it would SEEM to work, but when someone HATES another person, they actually HATE their bad qualities they seen of themselves in others. If everyone is the same, it seems like a lot of clashes would occur.

So, I believe, humanity is a repeating cycle of the same governments, which ultimately lead to Anarchy, then someone takes over, and repeat again.

Shangri-LIE
01-17-2016, 04:00 AM
And dare I say it, but there is too much cultural and ethnic diversity in this Country. It leads to/causes to much conflict. There's always going to be someone, (or a group of people), struggling for equality even though we already have that, I find people want more of a slight advantage than anything. Equality never existed, it won't ever and it mathematically can't. Not everyone can be wealthy. There will always be a lower class. There will always be BETA and ALPHA in our orders as Humans. While I am not friends with any Foxes, I do actually hold some Conservative values. The United States of America thrived better economically when there was segregation, when it was a full blown Patriarchy with assigned Gender Roles as well as with Slavery. Women fought for the right to vote and work and now they are obligated to, and the Family unit has been destroyed. Not everyone can be successful. Not everyone deserves Freedom or anything at all for that matter. The playing field will never be even, and that's why I see all of these movements as futile. And that's/those aren't racist/sexist things to say either. It's proven itself.

Shangri-LIE
01-17-2016, 04:07 AM
Double post - But I literally just saw that. But I think our idea of Anarchy now is this bullshit Utopia and not like Autonomous states such as Luxembourg for example. I don't think that most/the majority of People are capable of being self sustaining. There's too much divide even with groups that have the same values. I can't read any article commentaries anymore where People who have the same, somewhat or even for the most part, set of ethics and standards without seeing them devolve into total asshattery and name calling like retarded children in a room full of paint cans and snack packs. Yes, it's a mess.

And Communism only works for a while. There's always either a coup or an assassination. That or they Collapse due to sanctions and lack of resources, such as North Korea for instance. They are predicted, the UN regime, to collapse within the next 2 - 3 years for the very reasons that I've just described.

Penance Sentence
01-17-2016, 04:16 AM
You nailed it. I WOULD identify as Anarchistic, but there's too much dissent, and lack of unity. And, also, I personally could not be united to a single ideology. The more united Anarchism becomes, the more political it becomes. So, there really isn't any true Anarchism, but only Individualistic Anarchism, or microscopic Anarchism possibly.

And no way is the average citizen capable of being self-sustaining. Even if a rounded group of intelligent men started their own country, there would be too much competition, that eventually there would be a weak link.

It comes down to those who care about society/government, and those who don't. Those who don't, well, are never really seen or known of.

Shangri-LIE
01-17-2016, 04:38 AM
You nailed it. I WOULD identify as Anarchistic, but there's too much dissent, and lack of unity. And, also, I personally could not be united to a single ideology. The more united Anarchism becomes, the more political it becomes. So, there really isn't any true Anarchism, but only Individualistic Anarchism, or microscopic Anarchism possibly.

And no way is the average citizen capable of being self-sustaining. Even if a rounded group of intelligent men started their own country, there would be too much competition, that eventually there would be a weak link.

It comes down to those who care about society/government, and those who don't. Those who don't, well, are never really seen or known of.

Everything always boils down to Money and Politics. I agree with you there. What a lot of people these days perceive as fairness is really just outright selfishness and fake fucking outrage. No one truly gives a shit about anyone. Raise awareness! Raise awareness! Wake up! Okay, we're awake and aware. But even if we are fully aware of any given injustice or situation, we lack the unified ability to actually fucking do something about it. We're probably/quite possibly the last or second to last Generation that will get to see our Grandchildren get to experience and/or enjoy the World as we know it. Not to be an alarmist but we're entering a phase, a cycle of the Planet that is growing increasingly volatile and no one has a bug out plan. No one knows how to navigate their way around a City anymore without GPS let alone getting off of a FUCKING CONTINENT. We want all of this Social reform but we're not paying attention to what is predicted within the next 70 - 150 - 200 years to occur. All of these things for a certainty. No, not those stupid Apocalypse predictions that we get every year. Just on this Continent alone, North America, we're going to see within those time frames the Oceans rise by about 8 feet. We're nearing/approaching the 2 degrees Celcius level due to both underwater volcanic activity and post industrial environmental neglect. Yellowstone. The Cascadia Fault. New Madrid. San Andreas. That shit really is going to happen. Not to mention all of these massive super storms all around the globe. How many people have a plan for that? Oh, and we're overdue for another Carrington Event as well with an already frail electrical grid/infrastructure. We're sitting on, as a country, 800 or so Nuclear Warheads with outmoded security, tracking and launch technology. And what do you think is going to happen when all of this shit happens? Most people will die. Money. Religion. Politics. Equality. All of that/none of that won't matter. Only survival will. And do you think for ONE SECOND that these rich fucks don't have an evacuation plan ready? Why are they already sending mass casualty units to places in Arizona, Washington State, Florida, Georgia, Missouri? That and we don't rush to sign in aerospace defense bills for no reason on top of National Guard and Marines evac and triage drills in case of a total Civil breakdown as well.

Penance Sentence
01-17-2016, 04:50 AM
Yeah, well the world has always been faced with similar problems, more or less, but now people are so domesticated and weak, that survival isn't an option for most. We'll been on a decline since the days of Agriculture and Farming. The world has become SO easy for even the poorest, that no one will be prepared for any catastrophe. Especially not the Richest. The easier your life is, the more of a disadvantage you will be in. People don't know their resources, the planet, the whole purpose.

I hope your inbox is open, because check it.

Cat
01-18-2016, 04:36 AM
There are so many titles to place yourselves in. Tell of who you are and why you tend to follow that path more than others.

I only follow myself, but I can tell you this.... I always start with myself if I got a problem, I ask myself what can I do to improve my life etc................... It's so easy to blame others, but it won't get us anywhere!

I love inspiring people who has something positive to share with others. So even though I only follow my own truth, then I always listen to good ideas from others, so I always have an open mind.

I believe in love! - Love for myself, love for others.

Not a blind love, but a love that is there because I understand.

Mewzen
01-21-2016, 09:42 PM
Not a big fan of labels like that.

When you associate yourself with a label you have to deal with the fact that there are people that are under that label that will make you look bad.

I'd say I'm more of a classical liberal in the sense that I believe people should be treated fairly. Sometimes I do not like to associate myself with the left because in recent years it's been going off the deep end with these crazy SJWs similar with how the right went off the deep end a long time ago.

PaperDoll
02-01-2016, 05:20 PM
I don't believe in the God that's portrayed in most religions. I'm sort of an agnostic pantheist. I revere Nature and think the energy of the universe lives in us (intertwined with science/think stardust and so forth) and around us. Interconnection. I also agree with Cat on what she said about love.

Terrapin
02-01-2016, 06:09 PM
I trust in the scientific method to obtain truths in our observable world. I don't believe in or associate myself with any religion and I don't believe in anything supernatural. The closest label I could consider myself relating to in this regard is "secular humanist."

I could never associate fully with a political party, so I remain completely independent. I believe in striving for equal rights for all, as long as they don't in any way infringe on the rights of others.

It's all pretty cut and dry stuff, honestly.

Shangri-LIE
02-01-2016, 06:50 PM
In all honesty, I'm just a person who loves weed, sex and conversations with total strangers. I try not to totally be convinced by anything, even if there is a good reason to be. For as much as I talk about it on here and sometimes elsewhere, I really don't talk about a lot of things such as belief systems, Political corruption and conspiracies etc... I prefer just to get fucked up, read, fuck, write/read, play guitar and take naps along with having brain sex with people no matter how delusional and erratic those conversations are. There are times where I think that I am a Nihilist but I'm not completely and/or a Humanitarian which I'm completely ot. I believe in just living life. To me, everything is mysterious even if it can be explained or debunked or just seen as the natural process of things. Because in all reality, we really don't know shit. We're never going to solve racism or sexism/inequality and when I/We die, I guess we'll either find out if there is something for us beyond just being stranded on a Planet where we just got lucky or not. So, I tend to not really focus/fixate on trying to really prove anything as I've said in the past. When my time comes, either I'll be surprised or not even know that I or anyone/anything ever existed. So, living. That's what I do, and I am just a person who does whatever I want to in life if "that's all there is to it". There are incentives for there either being an "Afterlife" or there not being one. Either way, we'll either be accepted and have to answer for our action here, or we'll be released of any guilt, pain and obligations once we pass. So live it up now!

PaperDoll
02-02-2016, 02:55 PM
In all honesty, I'm just a person who loves weed, sex and conversations with total strangers. I try not to totally be convinced by anything, even if there is a good reason to be. For as much as I talk about it on here and sometimes elsewhere, I really don't talk about a lot of things such as belief systems, Political corruption and conspiracies etc... I prefer just to get fucked up, read, fuck, write/read, play guitar and take naps along with having brain sex with people no matter how delusional and erratic those conversations are. There are times where I think that I am a Nihilist but I'm not completely and/or a Humanitarian which I'm completely ot. I believe in just living life. To me, everything is mysterious even if it can be explained or debunked or just seen as the natural process of things. Because in all reality, we really don't know shit. We're never going to solve racism or sexism/inequality and when I/We die, I guess we'll either find out if there is something for us beyond just being stranded on a Planet where we just got lucky or not. So, I tend to not really focus/fixate on trying to really prove anything as I've said in the past. When my time comes, either I'll be surprised or not even know that I or anyone/anything ever existed. So, living. That's what I do, and I am just a person who does whatever I want to in life if "that's all there is to it". There are incentives for there either being an "Afterlife" or there not being one. Either way, we'll either be accepted and have to answer for our action here, or we'll be released of any guilt, pain and obligations once we pass. So live it up now!

Love everything you said!

Penance Sentence
02-18-2016, 07:41 PM
I believe all of humanity uses 'different' words, for more or less, the same general experiences.

One day, I plan to count how many true words exist. As Reality grows, a very small amount of new Real Words are created, and a multitude of Signifiers follow the Truly Individualistic, exactly like the story of Man. Every Universe is an Artistic Reflection of another, to me, and in this case: Tangible and Abstract Universes, in my view, are different DIE-mensions representations, or also known as Polytheism?

On a slightly other note, I believe the TRUE desire to not know, or unlearn, deprogram information (i.e. not listless Apathy), ironically, leads to infinite awareness.

That moment of being perplexed, and loving it, is worth more than knowing the answer to an ephemeral solution.

Also, Shangs, I think the notion that we will never truly know anything about reality to be too accepted and tolerated and verifiable and common of an answer to be true to the human equation, although I DO believe the Nihilism backing that notion to be a step in the right direction, towards Truth. I also would be fine knowing that I am wrong, and that I will always be wrong (not implying you suggested I was or anything, just typing this for the sake of my argument I am presenting), but then I'd be right.

mr.svperstar13
02-20-2016, 03:20 AM
I don't like labeling myself as anything. I do what I want is all.

Halo Infinity
03-23-2016, 01:54 PM
At the very least, I seem to be an agnostic liberal as of now. However, I'm sometimes also a moderate, but if I were to narrow it down to two words, Facebook style, I would definitely be an agnostic liberal. If I were to be any type of atheist, I'd probably be an agnostic atheist too.

As for an actual political party, I think I'd be a Democrat, but I still have yet to take care of that part of my voter registration. My overall lifelong experience and exposure to the Seventh-day Adventist Church, a Protestant Christian religion, got me interested in politics a lot more than I realized, especially considering how religion can be inevitably linked to politics and can therefore become affected and influenced by politics and vice versa.

And the older I get, the more I seem to agree with atheist liberals and relate to atheist liberals on all sorts of subjects, stances and issues. I also don't think I can actually relate to organized religion anymore.

*If I still did, and was still fully persuaded, while actually practicing the faith to a T, I'm definitely sure that I would've remained a Christian conservative, and very well would have joined the Republican party, and as a result wouldn't even be here, let alone be a fan of Marilyn Manson to start with.*

Not only is it hard for me to be absolutely convinced, on the account of my tendency to be skeptical and questioning, but even practicing all of the lofty requirements it brings with the sincere and earnest devotion it commands seems to be extremely impossible, and my doubts and overall conflicting thoughts and emotions don't even help me one iota. Granted, I can still understand the desire and need to believe in certain things, but not all beliefs are for everybody.

I've also figured, why be something that you're not if it's something you simply can't and won't do/be, especially involving situations and decisions as personal as religion and politics? (And philosophies/movements/etc.)