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    Grotesk Burlesk tour was great!

    The transformation that Marilyn Manson was making during The Golden age of Grotesque, Against All Gods Tour, and the aborted Celebritarianism era was beyond exciting.

    I'm still frustrated that we never saw the real light of day of the Celebritarianism era. The build up was so exciting. The little snippets that were added to his website, unique shirts, art work, and talks of wanting more of Pogo's contributions.

    Now I'm missing all the thought and energy that was once in Marilyn Manson. I'm still a fan, but somethings make you a little disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grotesquemonkey015 View Post
    Grotesk Burlesk tour was great!

    The transformation that Marilyn Manson was making during The Golden age of Grotesque, Against All Gods Tour, and the aborted Celebritarianism era was beyond exciting.

    I'm still frustrated that we never saw the real light of day of the Celebritarianism era. The build up was so exciting. The little snippets that were added to his website, unique shirts, art work, and talks of wanting more of Pogo's contributions.

    Now I'm missing all the thought and energy that was once in Marilyn Manson. I'm still a fan, but somethings make you a little disappointed.
    My god was it exciting, him going from TGAOG, LWF, And the Celebritarian era within 2 years. I absolutely love the aesthetic of the AAG tour, and the site for the CC era. I read Pogo spent hours and days with like 5 keyboards doing some experimental tracks, some of which featured in the site. I miss Pogo.

    Manson has lost that drive to do the things he's done, like the elaborate albums and websites, well thought out ideas and themes for albums; but what's frustrating is that we know he can still do it, he just... doesn't. Sure he does cool shit like the WKWYFL promo, TPE artwork, and the music is still great; but we don't get much theatrics. Not talking just Live Performances, which lately we've gotten a good amount of, but Performance art, bringing a theme or idea to life within his videos, or performances. That's what always set him apart from other musicians in the genre. However, I'm still excited with every new release, as it's always different in a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemoris Inferioris View Post
    My god was it exciting, him going from TGAOG, LWF, And the Celebritarian era within 2 years. I absolutely love the aesthetic of the AAG tour, and the site for the CC era. I read Pogo spent hours and days with like 5 keyboards doing some experimental tracks, some of which featured in the site. I miss Pogo.

    Manson has lost that drive to do the things he's done, like the elaborate albums and websites, well thought out ideas and themes for albums; but what's frustrating is that we know he can still do it, he just... doesn't. Sure he does cool shit like the WKWYFL promo, TPE artwork, and the music is still great; but we don't get much theatrics. Not talking just Live Performances, which lately we've gotten a good amount of, but Performance art, bringing a theme or idea to life within his videos, or performances. That's what always set him apart from other musicians in the genre. However, I'm still excited with every new release, as it's always different in a way.
    The AAG tour was a brief view of what the fans were set to witness for the CC era. The stage show was quite simple, but the projection screens, wardrobe, and overall atmosphere of that tour were very serious. The set list was often 20 songs per night with no talking, allowing the band to storm through the set. I know a lot of fans were shitting on Mark Chausse since the departure of John 5, but I personally believe that Mark added something special to the band. Personally the AAG tour still is one of my favorite tours from beginning to the end. Manson was focused and knew what he had planned to be released. Also you can’t forget all the merchandise that was released during that tour! All the various colors that the fans could choose from, I still have my black and red AAG tour shirt.


    I also miss Pogo in the band, but I must say he has disappointed me greatly with all his unnecessary comments that he post on social media. Some of the things that he posts can make one worry about his mental stability. According to Pogo Manson has tried to reach out to him after the lawsuit and wanted to speak as friends. Which proves how blindsided Manson was with the multi million lawsuit he filed. I just wish we could’ve seen the contributions that Manson wanted Pogo to do during the CC era. Overall Pogo added something very special to the band, and I am unsure if we would ever see that existence in Marilyn Manson ever again. Whether it was Manson, Pogo, Twiggy, or Skold they made a unstoppable trio that stomped on anyone that tried to compete.

    I also get frustrated because I know that Manson still has the capability of being the artist that he is. I don’t know why he no longer puts the effort that was once in Marilyn Manson. He is multi-talented and goes beyond than just being a rock n roll singer. He was the ability of incorporating his artwork into his music. The last album that actually felt like an era to me was the release of Born Villain. The built up for that album was very exciting, and it started to feel like a band again. It was nice to see Twiggy, Manson, Fred, and Vrenna all work together. I’m not too fond of Manson just working with one person that is outside of the band, and only having a live band perform the music. I want to see what Paul and Juan can bring to the table.

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    I really wish Manson would utilize his bandmates also, Juan and Paul are really great in the studio (and live), at least Gil was utilized quite often.

    I would say the last MM released that seemed like a real MM release was EMDM, then imagery, themes, aesthetic, etc. All worked amazingly well, especially Live. The Rape of the world tour was probably my favorite, next to the AAG Tour. Speaking of, the AAG tour had an amazing aesthetic to it. Manson dressed in very Victorian era attire, themes of Celebritarianism, The Black Death era, War, etc. The merch, very unique and by far my favorite era of MM merch, and favorite MM era overall, despite being so short lived and never really blossomed into what could have been. I would KILL to year anything they produced in those years, which according to MM, was nearly half an albums worth. I always imagined the CC album to share the same sound as PJ, very electronic/ industrial mixed with some pop elements in there. Sigh. Oh well. I still consider the AAG Tour to be the CC Tour.

    As for Pogo, I've definitely lost hope for him. Unfortunately it seems like he's gone crazier than he already was, to the point where it's just unhealthy. Too bad he's really bitter towards anything MM related; which is a shame considering I'm sure he knows that they both created some amazing art together. And.. Pogo introduced MM into Numerology and Alchemy, as well as the Kabbalah.

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    Has Pogo done anything crazy lately? It used to be a pretty regular occurrence but now nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansoniser View Post
    Has Pogo done anything crazy lately? It used to be a pretty regular occurrence but now nothing.
    If he has, who cares? What nonsense he says on FB is irrelevant.

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    Unrelated, THEOL is still such an amazing album. 10 years old!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemoris Inferioris View Post
    If he has, who cares? What nonsense he says on FB is irrelevant.

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    Unrelated, THEOL is still such an amazing album. 10 years old!
    THEOL got hated on so much, still remains of my favourites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansoniser View Post
    THEOL got hated on so much, still remains of my favourites.
    Recently revisited it in whole, and it's definitely a great record. Sure, some songs aren't as great as others, but my god it's a pure adventure of emotion. Really solid.

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    I've got to admit that knowing that Marilyn Manson actually grew up with the Christian faith (To the point of not just attending church, but even a Christian school at least until the 8th grade if I remember correctly.) actually makes his story and journey a lot more interesting to me because he too, knows what it's like dealing with it growing up, as opposed to just being an atheist reared by atheist parents.

    That makes the irony of his controversy throughout the 1990s also much more fascinating since he was absolutely aware thinking to himself that he was one of them and of them as a whole, especially when it came to him being protested by Christian conservatives in general. If I'm not mistaken, he was from a household that somehow combined the Catholic and Episcopalian religions. It's also very self-evident that he has actually read the Bible and plays around with theological interpretations, verses, stories and references in some of his lyrics. There's a lot more references he's been using.

    It makes it even more amusing knowing how aware and well-read he is when it comes to conservative Evangelicals' sins and overall hypocrisy being "Un-Christian", when they have no idea that he was one of them and among them.

    This just occurred to me yet again when I was listening to Say10.

    I guess one way to interpret the chorus is how some hardcore Christians claim to say and do things in the name of God, when they might as well say Satan. Say10. =P

    And are they so sure they're going to Heaven? They should pray now. Is it above or is it below? ^_~

    And in all seriousness, I somehow feel/believe/think that learning more about doctrines of sin and Hell has helped me get a better grasp on some of Marilyn Manson's songs and lyrics, since sin covers thoughts, emotions, words spoken and written, and not just actions. It even goes right down to the core of one's existence.

    Some Bible verses can even prove some of the points he not only sings about, but speaks about in some of his interviews regarding religion and morals/ethics as well, or just plain old cherry-picking. (At least when he's not just fucking with the interviews, that is, since he's also become notorious for that as well.) =P

    It's also why the "Forbidden in Heaven and useless in Hell." from 4 Rusted Horses struck and even greater nerve for me this time around.

    There's just far too many possible or even definite Christian/Biblical references to point out, so I'll just leave it at that, but overall, I'm sure most fans obviously get the gist of it anyway.

    It's really no wonder why it also helped me, as somebody that's felt like an outsider among Christians growing up as far as the churches I've been to, and even a whole lot more as of now.

    Granted, I sometimes forget it though, since it's easy to think of Marilyn Manson as somebody that grew up atheist (Not to get into the "Everybody is born an atheist." debate, but I just mean like somebody that just never ever set foot in a church or had a religious upbringing of any type ever reared by atheist parents.) that grew up with atheist parents and just thought of finding so many ways to say, "Fuck religion.", especially to non-fans. I know that was my first impression of him, but I definitely have known better for quite some time. It's also no wonder why he was well-equipped with religious discussions/debates. Not that you have to have been Christian, or have been reared Christian to be knowledgeable to debate it, but it clearly helps sometimes.
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