'Children Of Cain'

[Whisky And Speed]

Hi, I won't post an analysis for the whole song yet as it needs more time to reflect on, but I'll post my reflections of the verse which caught my attention the most.

So take your little black book
I see the way that you look into it

Here, I feel that manson delivers a message to the hypocrate chirstians who consider their book a sacred one blindly without really thinking about it deeply or reading it with a critical eye apart from false belief.

I see the way that you look into it

here, I recall what Manson mentioned earlier in some interviews,especially during Hollywood era, that he has a different interpretation of the bible than what the traditional Christians usually have.

And all the pages you spread,
‘Sweet as honey,’ you said
But I’m choking on your bitter stories

On this verse, I have the feeling,might be wrong, that manson talks about the old tastement and it's stories .We will find the phrase "sweet as honey" in the old tastement, to be more precise it is in the psalms,psalm 119.Here in the verse the prophet David(or whomever wrote this) says about God's words:

How sweet are your words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

commentary for this verse:

How sweet are thy words unto my taste!.... Who had a spiritual one; and could discern perverse things, and could taste how good and gracious the Lord is: and so his words were sweet unto him; the doctrines of grace, the truths of the Gospel, were delightful and pleasant to him; like unadulterated milk, desirable by him: like good wine, that goes down sweetly; like good food, that is exceeding palatable; or like honey, and even sweeter than that, as follows. And that words "may be tasted and eaten", is not only agreeable to Scripture language, Jeremiah 15:16; but to classical writers (g);

I think that manson here mocks the verse and what the prophet says as well that god's words are sweet as honey for him because he believes ,maybe he hides the fact they are irrational, while in fact they are full of violence and hatred.

But I’m choking on your bitter stories

Here manson mentions that these sweet as honey words in fact cause him to choke because of their content.They are sweet as honey for David or for the blind believers whilst being bitter for the critical minds that doesn't believe every word before thinking about it in terms of logic and rationality. I remember that Manson talked a lot about the violent content in the bible in a lot of occasions and how the bible is responsible for the violence.When Manson was asked about the columbine and the violence he gave a thoughtful speech that was synced live circa 2000 about the violence in the bible(I lost the link to it) and it's role in shaping the christian and the american culture .He mentioned the same thing again when he was asked about the Italian girls who shot a nun with a firearm.Moreover, he recited verses from the bible in one of his concerts during the GGG tour to show the audience and whoever listens to him that the stories in the old testament are far more violent than any of his songs.


That was my interpretation for that verse.I welcome any ideas that would help and make the discussion much more interesting.

thanks,

[Kollaps]

You, sir, have a lot of time on your hands.

[Necrof]

http://bible.cc/revelation/10-10.htm
I took the little scroll from the angel's hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour.

[Manichaeist]

Hi, I won't post an analysis for the whole song yet as it needs more time to reflect on, but I'll post my reflections of the verse which caught my attention the most.

That verse is quite good, and considering I'm not crazy about this song musically, your little interpretation drew my attention to the lyrics which are substantially better than most of what he's put down for this record. For what it's worth, I think your interpretation is accurate.

As far as the word play with Bridget Bardot goes, I do wonder if that's a homonym for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo

[Jakob Synn]

I want to see this different interpretation of the bible that Manson was talking about during the HW era.

[brian219]

Necrof nailed it, it's not the bible but some weird book an angel has John eat. This translation fits Manson's lyrics a bit more closely:

"And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter." Revelation 10:8-10

[Sputnik]

Alright, I'm not sure if this has already been addressed, but I have no idea what the actual title actually means?
Any Idea? Specifically the word "cain"? Is it a biblical thing?

Anyhow, I love this song, It was one of the first ones that caught my attention :)

[SysteMM]

Alright, I'm not sure if this has already been addressed, but I have no idea what the actual title actually means?
Any Idea? Specifically the word "cain"? Is it a biblical thing?

Anyhow, I love this song, It was one of the first ones that caught my attention :)

Cain is the son of Adam & Eve, and the brother of Abel. Cain slays Abel, so my interpretation of the title was to do with outcry over youth becoming more and more violent..not looking at the parents who raised them. (What values would your father Cain, who slew his own brother instill in you?)


Bible excerpt:
(Source: Wiki)
Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"
"I know not," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
10Then He said, "What have you done? Your brother's blood cries out to Me from the ground! 11So now you are cursed [with alienation][36] from the ground that opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood you have shed. 12If you work the land, it will never again give you its yield. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."
13But Cain answered the Lord, "My punishment[37] is too great to bear! 14Since You are banishing me today from the soil, and I must hide myself from Your presence and become a restless wanderer on the earth, whoever finds me will kill me."
15Then the Lord replied to him, "Therefore,[38] whosoever slayeth Cain vengeance will suffer vengeance seven times over. "[39] And the Lord set a Mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. 16Then Cain went out from the Lord's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

[Sputnik]

Thank you for clearing that up, It makes more sense now. :)

[NapalmHeart]

It's interesting that the lyrics on bornvillain.com say "5 or 500 years ago", when he actually sings "5 or 500 million years ago".