Brian's Future

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You seem way more bothered by this than anyone who was annoyed by the use of "Brian".

EDIT: And nobody said anything about OP being a fan. I don't think anyone even implied that. Don't try to make the argument dumber than it already is.

[Dope Box]

Should I be bothered just the right amount or what?

I've made my pov clear is all.

[Sans Agendum]

I see it as a respect thing. Manson likes to be called Manson and says he ignores people when they call him 'Brian' in some attempt to appear as if they know something about him. So out of respect people should refer to him as Manson because he's made it pretty clear that he prefers 'Manson'.

Brian Warner, Michael Reznor, and James Keenan are my heroes, guys.

What about Robert Bartleh Cummings? Don't forget about Robert.

[AssetReign]

Should I be bothered just the right amount or what?

I've made my pov clear is all.

You don't find it just a tad ironic the OP refers to him as "Manson" throughout his entire post, excluding the title, "Brian's Future"?

[Manson15Marilyn]

The title says Brian because if Marilyn Manson dies, Brian Warner dies. Though, as an artist he is still Marilyn Manson.

[EverInfamousReaper]

If Manson wanted to be referred to as Brian, we'd be listening to Brian Warner and this would be a Brian Warner fan forum for the band Brian Warner and his album Born Warner.

[AssetReign]

Yup, Brian Warner & the Spooky Kids.

[Manson15Marilyn]

In regards to the name in the title, I used it because when Marilyn Manson dies he will die as a person; namely Brian Warner. And I don't mean in the figurative when he started to live more as an artist, ie Marilyn Manson, either. Also, if some of you had read my first post you'd have picked up on that on some level or another...

Marilyn Manson recently talked about his belief that people can visit other time periods in their dreams. And that got me thinking, mostly because it reminded me of things he's said in the past. I remember in 1996 he said that Antichrist Svperstar was his "life story past, present, and future." And recently he's said that in a dream a long time ago, he visited a recent day to today and heard Born Villain and was thus inspired to write Antichrist Svperstar. And Manson said he doesn't believe in coincidence, and that he believes everything has a purpose.

Anyways, given my understanding of Antichrist Svperstar, I've been thinking about if Manson has always thought [knew] that he is going to be killed by somebody / some people; that he would become a well-known figure loved by many and hated by others who would become a martyr through the TV.

Even in pre-ACSS songs he's written about this sort of thing:

If I don't wear this shirt, they're going to make me dead. The shirt says, "I'm part of the boys' club."

-- No Class

One day, people are going to make me dead.

-- Meat for a Queen

And I'm sure there are more examples, but those two examples are off the top of m head.

Anyways, does anyone share with Manson his beliefs about purpose, fate, and dreams?
And what are your thoughts about a martyrdom of Manson in the future?

Moving on...

I don't think Manson literally expects to die in any relevant manner. I think the death thing in his lyrics is mostly there to identify himself with the "antichrist" figure. Whether or not he actually believes any of those sort of things, he has totally owned them as his own symbols.

Despite there being a lack of a source for the belief, many people believe that this "antichrist" guy is supposed to die and come back to life, paralleling the story of Jesus' resurrection and that whole thing. As he said in TLHROOH, he felt gypped that these stories of the antichrist weren't really in scripture and decided to give the people what they wanted, since they had come up with this idea themselves.

I think Manson believes he can forge the future he wants through sheer willpower. I don't know that he's wrong. So, while I absolutely do not believe that he can see the actual future, I do believe that he saw the future that he wanted and has been working to create it.

I see Manson's interpretation of 666 as a representation of past, present and future. The past has always been, from our point of view, "Brian Warner" which has a numerical value of 6, the present is "Marilyn Manson" which also has a value of 6, leaving the "future" character "Antichrist Superstar" which is also 6. I think he did this on purpose. It seems unlikely to be a coincidence. At any rate it shows that, at least at the time, he saw ACSS as being the endgame of his career, the point to which all else ends up flowing.

The fact that he has been picking up these old threads lately says to me that he is ready to start bringing it all back around and closing the loop. He's talking ACSS again lately. He's mentioning the novel. I think he's always had his whole career outlined to some degree and I think the rockstar phase is almost over. If I had to guess what the next phase would be I would guess film, since that's been almost as much a theme in his work as the antichrist motif. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't end up filming the dreams he saw back when he wrote ACSS and claiming that the film was what he originally saw.

So maybe the death of "Marilyn Manson" will just be metaphoric as that persona is shed. Perhaps he'll end up doing even more powerful work when he moves onto the third phase, whatever that may end up being.

I like this take on the matter. Manson is quite a smart guy. Maybe he didn't plan it all along, but to add to what you said he could have done it all as he went along. But yeah, it wouldn't be beneath him to do something as elaborate as build his life like that, so to speak.

I sort of believe it myself that, everything that happens has a purpose and a part in a future event. I also personally do believe in fate to some extent. These are all things that one can feel at times in their own personal lives at some point, in recent events etc. So whatever Manson felt about himself is probably correct for him, and I'd say its pretty much impossible to 'share' that belief with him since its out of our scope to know what those beliefs exactly are. I do believe though that Manson is a pretty normal person and doesn't personally dwell on such things much. That's my belief. The thoughts he had about his future are probably like thoughts people have about their future when they start thinking about it.

And I have no thoughts about Manson's martyrdom in the future. Though I'll say a crazy fan murder can't entirely be ruled out since there is no shortage of crazies in the MM fan world.

Well, I meant to relate based on what we know, what he's said already in the passed 20-or-so years about those beliefs; including his autobiography. But it all is very interesting to think about, purpose and fate. But then again, it could also be psychological. But hey, I'm not opposed to letting people believe that way; as it is a way to get people thinking positively!

As for me, I think it makes sense that he would be killed and then plastered all over the media. However, I don't know whether or not it will happen for sure as I believe you can control your own fate but you cannot see anything in the future; you can only do what you can with it when it gets there. That's my belief on the matter.

[Whisky And Speed]

Life of Brian.

[Sans Agendum]

In regards to the name in the title, I used it because when Marilyn Manson dies he will die as a person; namely Brian Warner. And I don't mean in the figurative when he started to live more as an artist, ie Marilyn Manson, either. Also, if some of you had read my first post you'd have picked up on that on some level or another...

Moving on...

I like this take on the matter. Manson is quite a smart guy. Maybe he didn't plan it all along, but to add to what you said he could have done it all as he went along. But yeah, it wouldn't be beneath him to do something as elaborate as build his life like that, so to speak.

Well, I meant to relate based on what we know, what he's said already in the passed 20-or-so years about those beliefs; including his autobiography. But it all is very interesting to think about, purpose and fate. But then again, it could also be psychological. But hey, I'm not opposed to letting people believe that way; as it is a way to get people thinking positively!

As for me, I think it makes sense that he would be killed and then plastered all over the media. However, I don't know whether or not it will happen for sure as I believe you can control your own fate but you cannot see anything in the future; you can only do what you can with it when it gets there. That's my belief on the matter.

Please continue. This is all so profound to me.