Biggest Scam Ever? (A Political Discussion)
What if as some think, THat you are greater than other's Why do you allow a goverment to persist to exist? Why do you allow yourself to be dominated by something else? These questions are one's I often think about myself, I felt like sharing with everyone and engaging in discussion on this subject, THanks for looking and have a nice day.
Mistook the nods.
I like living in a structured, civil society where I am able to press buttons on a machine made out of metal and plastic that allows me to communicate with people at every corner of the globe. I like clean water and food. I like roads to drive on. I like free education for children. These are a few of many reasons that a government is necessary. No one is dominating me. I can freely do whatever I'd like. But part of living in a modern civilization is abiding by agreed-upon rules of how to conduct yourself. That's why you can't just go around killing people.
If you want to live in a nation without an evil tyrannical government holding you down, try out Somalia. Otherwise, cut out the hyperbolic melodrama.
Close my eyes just to look at you.
The question I have, is how long do you believe you could live off the grid, off the system the government overlooks? With no access to food and drugs that the FDA approves for safety, no access to clean water and plumbing, off the electrical grid, off the American greenback currency. Even if you kept a gun to keep thieves away from your food supply (planted vegetables and meat you've hunted), eventually you will run out of ammunition.
Governments have existed for thousands of years. From the Inca, the Aztec, ancient Egyptian dynasties, the Roman Empire, all with their complex systems of keeping their land with large populations in check. Their unique systems mobilizing their citizens to build their roads, monuments, cultivating their crops to proper usage for food, clothing and medicine, their specific versions of education, culture and law. Some I've listed were known to use their power for what today would seem like strange, inhumane and brutal ends, and none weren't free of guilt of corruption themselves. But really, I see no reason to believe we're any more civilized now. Just because our president doesn't perform human sacrifices at a large altar in front of crowds of his constituents, doesn't make dead children in Pakistan from drone strikes any less different.
We still practice capital punishment. While I personally don't endorse it myself and would like to someday see it eliminated altogether, I can understand why a large sum of people would lament people like Anders Breivik legally still being able to breathe, assert with pride he's sane and working for the greater good. Lethal injection in a controlled environment, with justice for the victims in mind, is much more suitable than a hanging or beheading in front of gleeful crowd recording everything with their cell phones to rewatch with morbid amusement later.
As an American, you live in a constitutional republic. Our heads of state and other officials are representatives for the people, and our constitution limits the power of the government to a point. Although there are elements of our system that has disintegrated to a worrying level that we're gonna to have to confront soon and like the ancient civilizations listed above, our foundations may fall (we are a young country compared to others after all), but don't try to act like you live in North Korea. Many of your privileges would be void if it weren't for our laws that gives you to right to say what you want, live as you wish, provided you're not making life unsafe for someone else.
Government is an inevitable part of civilization. Societies, especially quite large ones, that lack fundamental order are likely to be hazardous and unsuitable societies to live in. It's not a question of domination, but of organized order by the people. Leaders that try to dominate people tend not to last very long. People like Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler and most recently Hosni Mubarak and Muammar Gaddafi aren't going to remembered as the winners in history books.
we need to be ruled.
we crave it.
An organized society is what we created as soon as it was allowed by our environment.
Tweaked the thread title somewhat to not give the wrong idea in a section which also covers current "World Events."
I thoroughly enjoy Doug Stanhope's take on Liberty and he makes quite a few great/funny points throughout this segment:
Do I believe we need government assistance to keep the peace? Yes, unfortunately. Do I believe that we need a unified way of connecting everyone to improve society? Yes again. However, while we may have articles in check to help limit government power, we still have politicians side-stepping the lines drawn in favor of their own interpretations. We are becoming more and more of a police-state as the years continue on, through efforts of the Patriot Act, SOPA/CISPA, the War on Drugs, and the current NDAA as it stands (there's obviously other stuff, but these are the hot-buttons currently).
It is THIS type of government I do not support. We do not need them stepping in and overlooking everything in our personal lives, we do not need to "spread the wealth," we do not need various federal laws promoting power for the central state. This is precisely why I couldn't possibly align with either the right or the left or vote based mainly on partisanship values. Unfortunately, this country is irrational as a majority and we are doomed every voting period because of it. While we enjoy plenty of freedoms other societies don't, many of these freedoms are chipped away at piece by piece.
Throwing it out there that it IS possible to live off the grid successfully, and many are opting for this alternative. Self-sustaining construction is on a rise, though admittedly crazy expensive at first. I'd love to see more of these projects progress.
I'd really like to know what sort of 'oppression' Filthy has faced in his life.
Originally Posted by Terrapin
Most of this is what I felt like saying, Didn't know if I'd get banned for saying it however.
Last edited by filthytothecore; 06-06-2012 at 12:52 PM.
Quit sucking up to the moderator, Filthy.
Are you implying, Me and Terrapin, Don't feel somewhat the same on the issue?
Originally Posted by Sans Agendum
"Terrapin and I"
I like how your thread title is in all caps. Really makes it stand out.
Last edited by Sans Agendum; 06-06-2012 at 08:12 PM.