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    The Flowers of Evil is a book, though. Naming the album that would be too blatant, and unimaginative.

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    I love this song. I think it's the albums hidden gem. Love that he incorporated some Sisters of Mercy influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryson18 View Post
    I did notice that also. But I was thinking the term started with the Amish people? Am I correct?
    Yes and my limited understanding of their ways. -I had recently seen a very boring film titled "The Shunning", it was pretty ridiculous though.

    Quote Originally Posted by AssetReign View Post
    ^ Shunning didn't begin with the Amish (and certainly isn't exclusive to Christianity), but it is one of their (many) religious practices. Despite the Biblical references woven through many MM songs, I don't think everything he says/does is a commentary (or condemnation of) on organized religion.

    Having said that, it's very obvious he considers himself a Crusader against the business of religion.
    Interesting, lean something every day, I think though in modern times the Amish would be the major religion to still practice it in the US as a body instead of speaking of a few fanatic cases in all religious. -But yeah while not everything is related to religion, but I think this song has a lot of refernces to a lot of different things as well as an 'epic poem' if I'm not mistaken.

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    I'm never reminded of christianity when listening to this song.
    I am your vulture, your immoral sculpture, mirrorman who understands. I know you. I am you, your fantasy, reality.

    Don't be surprised I can look you in the eye. It's hard to take you serious when you take me inside.

    How the fuck are we supposed to know when I'm a monster in the way you refuse to die? How the fuck are we supposed to know if we're in love or if we're in pain?
    "Are we in love or are we in pain?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity Killing Spree View Post
    I love this song. I think it's the albums hidden gem. Love that he incorporated some Sisters of Mercy influence.
    Agreed. It's the best cut on the album.

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    I am enjoying Flowers of Evil more and more but because it's so emotional, to me, I've been known to skip over it. You know, for something more lighthearted...like....*still thinking* Anyway, the other night I read Baudelaire's Fleurs du mal. This site includes six poems that were originally censored.

    Out of the censored poems, this one stood out to me as really going to the heart of the violence one can feel towards someone they love:

    To One Who Is Too Gay
    -Charles Baudelaire

    Your head, your bearing, your gestures
    Are fair as a fair countryside;
    Laughter plays on your face
    Like a cool wind in a clear sky.

    The gloomy passer-by you meet
    Is dazzled by the glow of health
    Which radiates resplendently
    From your arms and shoulders.

    The touches of sonorous color
    That you scatter on your dresses
    Cast into the minds of poets
    The image of a flower dance.

    Those crazy frocks are the emblem
    Of your multi-colored nature;
    Mad woman whom I'm mad about,
    I hate and love you equally!

    At times in a lovely garden
    Where I dragged my atony,
    I have felt the sun tear my breast,
    As though it were in mockery;

    Both the springtime and its verdure
    So mortified my heart
    That I punished a flower
    For the insolence of Nature.

    Thus I should like, some night,
    When the hour for pleasure sounds,
    To creep softly, like a coward,
    Toward the treasures of your body,

    To whip your joyous flesh
    And bruise your pardoned breast,
    To make in your astonished flank
    A wide and gaping wound,

    And, intoxicating sweetness!
    Through those new lips,
    More bright, more beautiful,
    To infuse my venom, my sister!

    (There's 4 more translations, this one the earliest and in my opinion, the best: William Aggeler, The Flowers of Evil (Fresno, CA: Academy) Library Guild, 1954)
    Imagination is the real and eternal world of which this vegetable universe is but a faint shadow. --William Blake

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    I've read a lot of the poems from "Le Fleurs Du Mal" after Manson started talking about Baudelaire. There are certainly some very moving pieces, I like it a lot.

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    My dog's middle name is Baudelaire.
    But that's neither here nor there.
    Imagination is the real and eternal world of which this vegetable universe is but a faint shadow. --William Blake

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    Listening to this song now.

    Anybody have much speculation as to how the poems influenced the album? I'm drawing some blanks, honestly, aside from some haphazard zombie theories that I posted on here months ago.

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    I've been inspired to read this next.

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