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Curious about Born Villain Trailer
So I've never seen anything so shocking, but I'm trying to understand meanings behind it. Is it about Satanism, I noticed the disturbed trinity references and more symbolisms that appear utterly wicked, and that's not necessarily making it evil itself. It seems to express unconscious terror and making a catharsis out of it. Just trying to get the reason for all the darkness. Also, what are the bald women representing? Can someone point me to more references and links so I can figure out more? I don't quite get the music or videos. Are the clips in born villain from the Lewis Carrol movie? The most terrifying part was when he killed his father. I just felt sad. It totally gave me a nightmare the night after I watched the music video. Maybe it's just not for me....I personally like the lyrics, the music, and the art but fail to grasp the violent nature and symbolism of his videos which are incredibly provacative.
Have a look through this thread, might answer some of your questions -
Der tod ist ein dandy.
You should watch 'A Serbian Film'.
If this is the most disturbing thing you've ever seen I'm wondering how old or sheltered you are. I'm not being a snarky prick, it's just that a lot of this has been done before.
Anyhow, nothing is explicitly satanic. A lot of the ritualistic stuff that you are seeing is lifted from the films The Holy Mountain and El Topo by the filmaker Alejandro Jodorowsky. They have occult conatations but aren't necessarily "satanic." They have more to do with alchemy and Jungian archetypes than anything else.
The opening sequence with the bald women is a shot for shot copy of the opening of The Holy Mountain. There are also heavy shades of David Lynch and Bunuel as well.
The stuff with the eye is borrowed from the book "The history of the eye."
Essentially, the Born Villain film is an homage to a lot of Manson's influences. It's quite good in that respect but a lot of it isn't original and credit should go where it's due.
Though perhaps not as explicitly "disturbing" you should check out the short film "Un Chein Andalou" by Dali and Bunuel. There is at least one visual reference to it in BV. You can probably find the whole thing on You Tube. It's at least one of the more well known examples.
Everyone talking about shocking movies seems to say this. I've seen it and I didn't think it was that shocking, esp not compared to 'Salo'.
Originally Posted by Kollaps
It was aggressive in the subject matter for the most part, but not shocking.
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It was good. It made me think "fetish scene to the max" but if it hadn't made me uncomfortable then he wasnt doing his job, lol. I think I've seen the Dali short. I do like experimental film and Mansons work is endless inspiration for me. The new album is also much better the THOL and I enjoyed it.