I eat meat, and am not offended by fur or leather or even the testing of medicine and cosmetic products. Pretty much, I don't give a shit so long as you don't sit there and beat them for your own pleasure.
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I eat meat, and am not offended by fur or leather or even the testing of medicine and cosmetic products. Pretty much, I don't give a shit so long as you don't sit there and beat them for your own pleasure.
When I was in university I took an environmental studies course. I took it because it was listed as a SCIENCE course, and it did cover small amount of actual science but a good deal of it was philosophy/ideology which didn't even seem jive with the science. Anyhow, on the first day the professor proposed this hypothetical question to the class:
"You are hiking alone outside of a village in India. You carry a rifle with you but it only has one shot. You come across a clearing where you find a baby left abandoned. However, it is not alone. Stalking across the clearing towards it is a near extinct species of tiger, possibly one of the few remaining of its kind. Do you let the tiger eat and live another day or do you shoot it to save the child?"
80% of hands went up to say that they WOULDN'T. ...This was a science class. You'd think someone would have told them that any animal (endangered or not) would kill another to protect its young, but apparently the humans are special in their stupidity.
Animals don't feel guilty about killing a lesser species for food or protection, the fact that humans are able to reason themselves into feeling bad about it should be all the proof anyone needs that we aren't all on the same level. And you have evolution to thank for that. Millions of years of one species devouring another all so that mankind can grow a mind and come up with something so absurd as the question above.
People believe in a lot of myths about the natural world because they are so far removed from it and it makes them feel good. Like how dolphins are better than people because they are smart but also peaceful and helpful to humans. This of course has nothing to do with science which would tell you that they have all of the genocidal tendencies people do and in fact occasionally kill just for fun. Or what about our closest ancestors? You know those cute, sign language, social dwelling primates that need so much of our love and protection because humans are cruel... they rape and murder each other, killing infants just to prove dominance. But animals are still better than people right? Science would say otherwise. But human beings are so entitled, spoiled and detached from the natural world that we are able to believe fairy tales about it. There aren't a lot of omnivorous species that can afford to pass up a nice piece of meat for "moral reasons," let alone our ancestors who had never heard of a food surplus and didn't have the luxury of going to whole foods whenever their tummy was grumbling.
That being said, I don't believe in needless suffering and people who torture or show unnecessary cruelty to animals just for kicks deserve harsh punishment. But by all means, eat meat if you want to. And don't let anyone make you feel guilty about it. And please, go ahead and test life saving medicines on whatever cute and fuzzy creatures you need. Oh, and if you ever come across a tiger about to eat a baby... LOCK AND LOAD MOFO's!
I was thinking about this the other day. I don't understand the people who burst into tears at the sight/sound/thought of those sappy commercials with sentimental music showing abused puppies and kittens and shit. Are they just pitiful emotional wrecks who are constantly on the verge of tears during every waking moment of their sad lives? What baffles me even more is when they just shrug off the commercials that show starving, dying children. I can't comprehend the thought process that leads to this type of behavior.
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I can only agree. Family is family :-)Originally Posted by Cringeon
I think the supremacy or importance of a species compared to other species is really dependant on what angle you're looking from. I could argue that in the grand scheme of things we're the least important species, since we no longer belong in the natural order. We live entirely outside of nature. An animal at the mercy of its ego, foolishly running around in circles and destroying everything in sight, in the vein pursuit of some sort of distant imagined purpose (as if just living on the Earth wasn't enough). Recently I keep thinking, maybe we're not supposed to have the things we do, even the things deemed good or progressive. Maybe we're not supposed to live to 80, and maybe there shouldn't be over 7 billion of us. We're so far gone that we actually believe there's a difference in value between us and them. That we're somehow superior to them because of our intelligence, when in my opinion we're more flawed than they are. They're not stupid enough to question nature and destroy the very planet they live on. What good is all our progress and all these things we pride ourselves on, these things that we believe make us better, when at this rate there'll be nothing left in the end?
My death waits like a bible truth, at the funeral of my youth.
^ Ever heard of invasive species? There are animals who fuck up entire ecosystems, eat smaller animals to extinction (sometimes contributing to their own) and act entirely as foolish and vain as humans. I share your dislike for humanity but animals are not somehow nobler just because they are closer to nature. We assume them to be because we are not.
I have an idea. Let's all embrace humanicide so that all of the graceful animals and flourishing plants can exist on the planet without our dietary need to consume them? I kid I kid. And yes, I do find it morbid that a lot of people will weep over a sad looking puppy in a shelter than an emaciated child who doesn't know how to read, probably has AIDS, TB, or some other God awful disease. The solution? Send them bibles! I'm not apathetic towards all things in life, but man we really need to get our priorities straight. Plants aren't people. Animals aren't people. Humans are, meh, just what we are and we do a horrible job at it. So by that token we should all just accept the 60 - 70 years if we're lucky enough to have on this planet and stop trying to save it. Eventually we will become extinct, so ...do what thou wilt.
Dolphins get far by being cute, I think. Consider baby seals. A lot of people make a stink about clubbing baby seals. I saw a guy wearing a shirt at my school that said "club sandwiches, not seals" and there was a picture of a seal holding up a picket sign with a big, meat filled sandwich on it. If I ever see that shirt again I will point out that the animals used in a club sandwich die a much bloodier death than a seal pup and that furthermore, they are killed en masse. Why only be concerned about the seals? Because they are more attractive?
Cows/pigs/turkeys are in no danger of going extinct, bro.
Unless you know someone with a baby seal farm, this comparison is really silly.
As far as I know, no other animal is clubbed to death like a seal.
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