The ethics of speciesism.

[Willice]

Cows/pigs/turkeys are in no danger of going extinct, bro.


Unless you know someone with a baby seal farm, this comparison is really silly.

I did not take extinction into account. You're absolutely right. If conservation is the only goal in mind, then the shirt makes no contradiction. But clearly, it cannot be worn by someone who takes total species equality into account. Why?

Consider: What if these seals were not endangered? What if I did know of someone who owned a seal farm? Would that guy then be ok with seals getting packed into crates their whole lives and then turned into seal-burgers? I imagine he would, unless my theory about more attractive animals is correct. (And I honestly can't prove that it is, I can only observations such as the fact that we eat cows and not horses.)

As far as I know, no other animal is clubbed to death like a seal.

Read Animal Liberation, now. Animals in factory farms and lab experiments have had improvements in comfort over the years, but for the most part humans still brutalize them for their own use.

[AssetReign]

I'm always willing to learn. What other animals are clubbed to death?

[Willice]

For clubbed, I can only think of fish that are recreationally caught for food. But monkeys have been exposed to radiation and isolated from birth. Chickens are drowned and get their necks snapped. Cows get rammed by tractors. You know, family fun and what not.

To make my personal stance a little clearer, I just find it nonsensical when people complain about seal clubbing because it causes pain when they are perfectly fine with causing pain to farm animals. They are showing special preference to the seals, in my opinion. However, as it was pointed out to me, they are endangered, so to make a preference on that basis is a narwhal of a different color.

(By the way, I'm just spewing my own opinion here, so if anyone wants to tell me off for being non-factual/irrational please DO. I'm new here, I'm new to message board arguing, I won't be offended.)

[AssetReign]

^ I enjoyed your spin on horse of a different color.

[Willice]

^ Also endangered, as it happens.