New school shooting, etc

[ThreeEyedGod]

It's not as " sexy" to blame black music for influencing criminal activity amongst urban youth as that behavior is already to be expected whether anyone wants to admit or not.

[Lydia]

1. It's necessary.

Poor etiquette is never necessary.

2. I know you're lying

That's untrue and impossible. Still haven't read your post.

3. Drugs are a victimless crime and are much more easily manufactured then guns. People like James Holmes and even Mark David Chapman wouldn't even know where to score a gun on the black market. I find that point to be asinine because it goes to show that guns are easier to get in your country then drugs, which personally, I think is fucked. Tightening requirements to get a gun is what I would imagine to be a good start.

No, they are equally easy to procure. Like with drugs, you just have to know who to ask. Furthermore, value judgments about drugs vs. guns have no bearing on the ease with which they can be obtained on the black market.

I know man, I'm just going off what Lydia said and you are absolutely right and I mean no disrespect.

So you were misrepresenting your position for the sake of...? Getting my attention...?

I will point out that we have tough gun laws here and it is incredibly difficult to get one on the black market. I mean, it can be done, but it isn't easy. I've never been offered one or anything and I've scored 'A' class drugs many times. Never come across a gun before, though.

People don't go around saying "Hey dude, want a gun?" but there is a mutli-billion dollar weapons black market. Here is a website with further information on the topic.

I think you're partially right. But I also think there's a general unspoken condescension engendered by white people toward black folk whereby they expect certain barbaric behavior from blacks. And even though liberal white people will claim that their attitude is one of enlightenment and progressivism, the truth of the matter is that many of them don't expect much more from blacks than to behave like thugs, either in their music or their high occurrence of civil unrest. The racism is card is played to cut off a rather unpleasant discussion at the pass, one where liberal white people would be forced to admit that their opinion(s) about black folk isn't nearly as high as they pretend it is.

Black/African-Canadian people in my life include family members, guys I've dated and one of my housemates from college. Stereotypes about races are generally held by people who don't have normal social relationships with people of other races. One thing I will say is that America is a lot more segregated than Canada, and I have been in places in America where there's almost a line in the sand where the white community ends and the black community begins. I think discussing racism is constructive because it's better to discuss problems than ignore them.

Our country is deep seeded in and founded by all types of violence. I find the mentality of Americans to be more need of questioning than our right to bear arms.

Agreed, this is exactly what I was saying earlier.

You clearly were sleeping under a rock regarding the public opinion of hip hop during the '90s and early to mid '00s. Rap music has been the constant source of blame for all of America's ills, especially gun violence, long before anyone went after Manson.

I'm talking about today, in 2012, where gang violence does not make the front page and where individual artists' names are not linked to every gang-related shooting. The same day the Empire State Building shooting occurred, there were 19 people shot in Chicago yet that wasn't a huge story on CNN, nor were the motivations for the shootings front page news. Gang violence is not seen as an individual crime, and shooters are seen as thugs, not as troubled people whose backstory is relevant to their crimes.

[filthytothecore]

I know I'm going to get flamed to death for this but seriously, my Americans friends, cool it with the guns. I know all the 'baddies' would still have guns under gun restriction laws but that is narcissism to assume that something eventful will ever happen in your life because these people likely don't care about you and if you were ever in the situation where you needed to use a gun to defend yourself, you would most likely be in a position where A) You can't reach it because you are in bed and you are staring down someone else's barrel B) Some other situation where the 'baddy' has drawn his gun first, and you are fucked. There are many countries in the world that have strict gun control laws and they get on just fine, in fact, they get on better then America because this shit happens much, much less. Are guns the REAL issue? Probably not, these incidents are happening because of a social issue. Guns don't kill people, people kill people - this is true - but people use guns TO kill people.

Maybe the American populous should be treated like children? YOU'RE BANNED FOR A MONTH. IF NO ONE DIES IN SOME LAME ASS PUBLIC SHOOTING - You can have your guns back.

Would you prefer people to use knives or perhaps, Something subtle like a ninja star or throwing knife? Weapons don't kill people, They are merelly tools of the person behind the tool's use, Besides that you will still have guns easily accessable there is always a way to assume that just because something is illegal that someone can't get it, Is rather foolish, Drugs are easily avalible from dealers, Imagine that but weaponry. Dismissing people from having guns legally won't stop those that will still make a profit off of it. Three things that will always be in demand regardless, Drugs/Alcohol, Food, and Guns/ammunition, I look forward to your response. :)

[filthytothecore]

Doublepostban, but I am not sure what you meant by that. We all have predictive behaviours and racism is an inferior way of explaining those cultural differences. Not all black people are barbaric. Not all white people are trash. Not all Indonesian people work in call centers. The point is that you cannot have a melting pot and expect all of the ingredients to mix. That's naive tolerance. America is racist because it is a young, naive, and way too free of a society that allows way too much tolerance. We breed violence on this scale because we want eachother to be equal. We do not assess cultures with common sense, we assess them with a retarded idealistic deference .

Tolerate everything and anything,It tends to bite right back in the ass.

[21Faces]

1. Whoever pointed out that fucking dweeb Holmes would not have been able to score a gun were they illegal is dead on. I don't agree with doing away with the right to bear arms, but the point stands that many stupid socially maladjusted people would have a much much more difficult time accessing the firepower needed to go on these rampage killings if guns were as heavily restricted here as they are in other countries.

2. And I'm not really paying attention to whoever specifically is carrying on with this ridiculous reverse-racism apologetics tangent about black music entertainment and violence? But seriously, I welcome you to leave the 90s behind and join us in the year 2012 or stfu. For reals. Do you people even listen to hip hop? Don't answer that.

EDIT - Also to whoever said America is "too free" and "too tolerant?" Yeah, fuck that noise entirely. Do people think when they say things? Less freedom! More intolerance! Do we have a winner?

[Kollaps]

nah I was only kidding. but in the normative sense, multiculturalism in Australia and in the United States are two completely different things. there is an enforced integration here that just doesn't exist in Australia. I won't dispute that Australia has manifold cultural influences - in most respects, I'd say there are a far greater array of cultural influences in Australia than here. our system, however, imposes multicultural influences in a way that doesn't seem to have much to do with exposing people to other walks of life as much as it is intended to cultivate a much bigger workforce.

Sounds fucked.

[Lydia]

1. Whoever pointed out that fucking dweeb Holmes would not have been able to score a gun were they illegal is dead on. I don't agree with doing away with the right to bear arms, but the point stands that many stupid socially maladjusted people would have a much much more difficult time accessing the firepower needed to go on these rampage killings if guns were as heavily restricted here as they are in other countries.

Ummm...what about gang violence? There is way more of that than lone gunman killings. Secondarily, according to the official narrative*, James Holmes procured a bunch of chemicals and turned his apartment into a massive house bomb. Logically had James Holmes been unable to purchase guns, he would have decided to pull an Oklahoma City Bombing Part II or something else along those lines. According to another official narrative**, a bunch of hijacker commandeered 4 airplanes and flew them into buildings...all without the use of guns. My point? Gun control does not prevent terrorism and guns are not weapons of mass destruction.

* I say "official narrative" here because defendants are innocent until presumed guilty in the American court system.

** I say "official narrative" here because there is evidence to suggest the hijackers on Flight 11 fired a gun. If you look at the recent lawsuit filed by World Trade Center Properties LLC, you can see that this "conspiracy theory" is quite obviously shared by the people who were leasing the World Trade Centre from the Port Authority.

2. And I'm not really paying attention to whoever specifically is carrying on with this ridiculous reverse-racism apologetics tangent about black music entertainment and violence?

What does that mean? I'm not sure who your comment was directed toward.

[Manichaeist]

1. Whoever pointed out that fucking dweeb Holmes would not have been able to score a gun were they illegal is dead on. I don't agree with doing away with the right to bear arms, but the point stands that many stupid socially maladjusted people would have a much much more difficult time accessing the firepower needed to go on these rampage killings if guns were as heavily restricted here as they are in other countries.

do you consider the majority of violent drug criminals to be socially well adjusted people, because they sure seem to have little difficulty illegally obtaining fire arms.

[Christina]

How come hip hop doesn't get blamed for gang-related shootings?

Because Marilyn Manson KILLED Tupac and Biggie. DUH!

[AssetReign]

^ True. I helped him stash the gun.