"I first met him when I was in Nine Inch Nails, so it was around 1990. It was a lot of fun to work with him, but he likes to work in what I call 'Manson time', which is nothing like most people work [laughs]. He likes to work through the night and sometimes he won't sleep for days. It just became too exhausting for me. I'm talking about the lifestyle and the whole thing around it, which he makes no bones about. If you're not careful, it can take a toll on you. After the mixing was done for the 'Born Villain' album, I just kind have had it. I was mentally burnt out and just physically exhausted. I also felt like I had done all I could have done with them, artistically speaking, within the rules of what makes Marilyn Manson. That's not a bad thing either, but I wanted to do other things".