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    I don't see why not. You're not worshiping him. Some people do, but I hope you don't anyway. Being a Marilyn Manson fan is far from the worst thing you could be and ask yourself if you could still be considered a Christian. I still don't even understand what being a Christian means. To me it all just seems to be about narcissism. Narcissistic in the sense that God cares more about you than anyone else, and as long as you love him and give your soul to him then everyone else around the world who doesn't will burn in Hell. With artists, you can choose to be a fan or not to be a fan and they won't judge you. When it comes right down to it, Marilyn Manson is just an artist. Dare I even call MM a Christian rock band. God needs the Devil and Christian America needs the All American AntiChrist. It's just music. It's just art. If if makes you feel good then it is good, and if "God" is good then all things good must be considered to be positive.
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    It seems like all the people that think it's fine for a true Christian to listen to Manson happen to be atheists, or at least not christian themselves. Puts me in an awkward position as I have the burden of practically defending Christianity (something I don't agree with) because of my many many years of experience in Catholic and Protestant Churches. Go to www.christianchat.com a forum I post at, and ask any of them if they think it's fine to listen to Manson lmao. Might I mention that I've been banned there several times for "promoting Satanism". Good luck.

    But yeah, obviously to the non believer, we don't really see why it should matter...It's like, just listen to what you want to listen to right? I hear ya. I feel the same way. I'm just saying that's not what Theeeey think! lol.

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    Hey Mtragedy. We get it. You don't think someone can be Christian and listen to Marilyn Manson. There are other opinions. We don't need to read yours AGAIN every time someone posts the more logical, contrary opinion.

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    The answer is No. Manson's music was mainly fueled by his hatred of xianity and false religion propaganda and Manson himself in one of his last interviews with metal Hammer stated that he can't believe in a god and if he did so it will be away from the fanaticism of religion. Check the interview if you like . Manson started his band in the first place because he was fueled by anger towards religion because he was raised in a christian school and that made him more knowledgeable than a lot of Christians who don't know their religion well. Listen to ACSS and Hollywood and you will find yourself questioning the notion of God and religion. However, I think that Manson is against organized religion more than the idea of spirituality itself which he didn't attack that much. Manson tears the bible in his concerts and he dresses as a fake priest and that is enough to make any christian angry because he mocks his religion on purpose. Jews and Muslims won't like him either. Jews won't be happy because Manson always refers to the old testament as a book of violence full with stories of murder and rape and Jews believe these stories of course. Muslims won't like him either because they believe in Jesus as a good man and a prophet from God and they hold much respect for him. To sum it up, Manson's music is against xianity and you can't believe in two contras together. The end.
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    By that method of logic, if you have ever disagreed with anything Manson has said on any topic, you can no longer be a fan.

    Manson himself has said he has no problem with Christianity but how the church uses it to deceive and manipulate others. He has said that if being a Christian works for you he doesn't think you should stop being Christian, but actually understand your religion and not just wear it as an excuse to be an asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Tragedy666 View Post
    I know many will disagree, but I've always felt a strong NO, it cannot and does not go hand in hand. Any attempt to justify listening to Manson as a christian is very plainly deceiving yourself.

    There are a lot of phony Christians that are naive and ignorant and really do not understand their religion and they will make up all kinds of excuses to justify all sorts of sins.

    As a Manson fan, of course I'd like more people to listen to him. I want his art to be successful! But to take this topic seriously, I cannot sit here and say that it's perfectly fine to be a christian and listen to this blasphemous secular music with post-modernism blatantly showcased throughout.

    Sorry kids, it's just polar opposites. Just like you couldn't be a Muslim and listen to Manson either. Christians are not the lone group that cannot affiliate with Marilyn Manson. MANY religious groups, if they have a true understanding of their religion and are serious practicing members of the ideology, should not and could not listen to the music of Marilyn Manson. Or MANY other mainstream bands.

    The messages (in general mainstream secular music) are of sex, drugs, thinking for yourself, and basically mainstreaming Satanic views (LaVey) of "do what you want" "Follow your heart" "Whatever you FEEL is right" This is in direct defiance of Yahweh of the New and Old Testament.

    You'll always hear some bullshit christian conspiracy theorists that mainstream music has satanic agenda's....well, it's really not that bullshit. LaVey himself spoke of many would-be Satanists and in-the-closet Satanists posing as Christians. ( this is because the humanism principles of 'if it feels good do it' and 'do what makes you happy' is a universal thing. This is why Satanism is secretly the biggest religion of all. People are just unaware that they basically believe in the doctrine LaVey mainstreamed in the 60's....even though it was always mainstream...in an underground way) Adversely, Christianity (appropriately) is the direct opposite of this worldwide satanic universal view. If it feels good, don't do it! Abstinence. Refrain from sin and carnal desires, and repent. (IMO this is how Christianity and other apocalyptic religious fantasies got popular; capitalizing off the fears of the people. Make everything that comes NATURAL a sin, and you'll HAVE to repent and give money with enough brainwash. They screwed you before you were even born--Original Sin.

    These concepts of course were around forever; long long before LaVey. He was merely the guy that figured out how to make a buck on it and compile it in some books and make a damn good religion out of it!!

    But if Marilyn Manson has or does do anything or speak anything pro about drugs, same sex relationships, self worship, adultery, sex before marriage, stealing, androgyny, pornography, etc, etc, insert any "sin" here, then he is one of Satan's propaganda ministers on earth sent to stray you from the truth of the one and only true God, Jesus Christ.

    You cannot listen to the Antichrist and claim to be a christian without sounding foolish.

    Absolutely 100% incompatible.


    People with not a strong enough grasp or knowledge of their faith can easily trick themselves into thinking all sorts of things are OK that The Bible speaks against. Education and study will help you to remain strong in your faith and not be misguided.


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    And this is NOT meant to sound insulting to anyone. I just feel that it's important to have a full understanding of your beliefs. There are SO many times I see people clearly disobeying their supposed system of beliefs without any knowledge of their doing so. I think Marilyn Manson would agree to question everything and have a deep understanding rather than blindly believing and following the mindless masses. Research.

    These people that believe you can actually enjoy Marilyn Manson and still be a christian...I just don't understand how they are kidding themselves. Everything about the man is in direct opposition to the doctrine of Christianity.

    This is NOT meant to scare you away from Marilyn Manson. If anything, I hope it inspires you to look deeper in your own faith and realize the holes within it. I've gotten more substance of beauty, art, knowledge, intellect, philosophy, etc from Marilyn Manson than I've ever gotten from The Bible.
    You are most certainly entitled to say and think however you wish. Hell I asked for the opinions. However not every single one of his songs are about religion or satan etc... You can like someones music without agreeing with their views. Am I not right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Tragedy666 View Post
    It seems like all the people that think it's fine for a true Christian to listen to Manson happen to be atheists, or at least not christian themselves.
    Thats a real big leap here. The point is some us have faith but the difference being we are not necessarily blinded by certain religions and doctrines - remember Manson himself has said on numerous occasions its not God he dislikes but religions, organised religions, which do more to subvert, cherry pick and damage faith than people who have faith but don't feel need to cling to religions made by man and as such twisted by mans own agenda.
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    I also say no. If you appreciate Marilyn Manson's work of art AND its meaning, you can't be a Christian at the same time. I give you an analogy: you can't believe in the Christian God and evolution, that's a paradox. Sure, you can become a creationist but in your heart you know that all you are doing is defending into absurdity.

    Marilyn Manson's lyrics (especially from the earlier albums) question everything about organized religion. They question the Bible and its content. They question blinde faith. They question Christian morals. So if you are a Christian, how can you appreciate something that questions everything that you believe in? You can respect the opinion that Manson represents, you can focus on his political message instead. You can be a "modern" Christian (so definitely not a Catholic or American Christian, but let's say, a Christian in Sweden) and defend secularity. You are maybe even for private faith instead of organized faith. So you can live with all the mockery of the priesthood. But how can you appreciate someone who is tearing apart your holy book? Respect his opinion, yes, if you are a good person, you can respect his opinion. But love that kind of art? Appreciate it for the sake of art and ignore its meaning? I am an atheist. I can appreciate religious literature and philosophy. But if there's any literature or art that attacks atheism and my opinion, I immediately feel like I have to defend myself. I feel like that what is being said is wrong and it loses all its beauty to me. It doesn't speak to me, it mocks me. Or let's get away from religion: I'm a feminist. If I read a modern (I am a bit of a relativist, everything up to the 20th century should be seen in its context) novel and women are put down in it, I feel the need to defend myself. If I listen to rap-lyrics and they describe women as mere objects, I get appalled. I have formed my opinions, I respect other opinions. But I can't appreciate them. I feel the need to defend myself, to argue against it. So how can you a strong-believing Christian and appreciate a piece of art that totally speaks against your belief? You are kidding yourself if you can do that. You are cheating on your beliefs. I can't respect that, I find it undefendable. I am a strong atheist and I would love for everyone to abandon religion. But I respect people that stand up for what they believe. If you believe in the Christian God and you say you love Marilyn Manson's music, you are not a strong person. You don't know who you are and you should really think about what it is you actually believe in. If you are an ecclectic, okay, but if you call yourself a Christian that follows the Bible, then something is either wrong with your faith or you don't understand what Marilyn Manson is saying.

    It could be all about interpretation. But really, in what way can you interprete many of the lyrics from the trypich as not "anti-Christian"?

    If you are a Christian and you love the music and art of Marilyn Manson, you can't be a true Christian, your faith can't be that strong and you should really question the labels that you put on yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegis View Post
    By that method of logic, if you have ever disagreed with anything Manson has said on any topic, you can no longer be a fan.

    Manson himself has said he has no problem with Christianity but how the church uses it to deceive and manipulate others. He has said that if being a Christian works for you he doesn't think you should stop being Christian, but actually understand your religion and not just wear it as an excuse to be an asshole.
    I agree with Aegis and Emma.

    The God of my understanding doesn't care WHAT I listen to so long as I don't worship it or put it above him. And I don't.

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    In addition to what I've said above, I don't think that a mythological post mortem miracle baby king is going to care if you listen to a certain rock n roll band. If God does exist he has created worse things in this world for us to choose whether or not to take part in or become afflicted by. I don't believe that being a fan of an artist has any bearing on the fate of your eternal soul if there is such a thing. Being a fan of a certain band shouldn't be a part of your identity. If you are a Christian and live your life by the teachings of Christ, who was in his own time a heretic, a criminal, and considered to be a psychopath with magical powers, then that should all that God cares about. If you accept him as your saviour then all of your "sins" are forgiven. So, in fact, if listening to Marilyn Manson is a sin in Gods eyes, by Christian standards, then you accepting Jesus Christ as your saviour gives you a free pass into Heaven regardless of what art you appreciate, who you kill, or whatever "bad" act you commit. If anything, you're better off being a Christian Marilyn Manson fan than being an anti theist Manson fan in the event that such a God exists.
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