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Thread: Is Religion Dangerous?

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    For "All Of The Above" (interesting experiment, indeed):
    By questioning everything within a given container, are we really questioning.
    True Questions break someone's fucking brain into itty bitty pieces.
    Half-questions, or answers, maintain systems.
    Join me on your other thread, where I can continue without detracting (the irony, because of this thread LOL)

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    Good replies, again.
    The question should have been more keenly stated: Can Science ever admit to something better, and if so, to deny Science, how exactly could Scientific logic be used to question, by first assuming it irrelevant?

    On another note, too much art = anarchy.
    too much Science = Capitalism, most likely (you can argue Communism. A liberal told me, right?)
    Oh, no, that was about psychopaths LOLOLOLOL

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    First of, Penance Sentence, I'm really confused about what you mean with the "all of the above" and how/why this thread is ironic... Was this thread supposed to not been taken seriously? Science doesn't first assume ANYTHING is irrelevant. It's in the business of questioning everything. I don't see how too much art leads to anarchy. I certainly don't see how too much science leads to Capitalism. Many of my favorite scientists seem to favor a more socialistic approach and find Capitalism to be a very "survival of the fittest" mentality, which is a type of world we would NOT like to live in. Ironic because these are the same republicans that deny evolution, but when you try to teach them about evolution and how speciation occurs through a horrible process of death and suffering called natural selection and use phrases like "survival of the fittest" they won't accept that, but morally, they find it just fine. Many scientist that understand evolution realize how awful it is and think we should intelligently design our morals, not let the strongest win, no matter how absurd the his principals are.

    Shangri-LIE I want to reply to you more fully when I have time. I haven't ignored your posts on purpose! I find some of what you said about Jesus really interesting and would like to discuss the historicity of "Jesus" with you. It's funny, because just earlier today, I was debating my father who blindly accepts his "dispensationalist" take on the Bible. It's literally true, word for word, evolution is a lie, 6000 year old earth, etc.. He accepts for granted that the Jesus as portrayed in The Bible was a factual character and the basis for all modern Christianity. I'm not a historian and I'm open to hear discussion on whether a "Jesus" existed. "Jesus", or "Joshua" as it may have been translated to, was a common name back then. And there was an abundance of apocalyptic street preachers inundating the public. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a homeless drifter Charles Manson type of guy who lived and was named Jesus/Joshua and had some crazy messages. I find it to be extreme arrogance and pretentiousness that Christians today think they "know" him. They haven't got a clue. If this guy even existed at all (The character of Jesus could very well have been a composite of many people), who he was has certainly gotten lost in translation due in part by what you said -- political leverage. Also the human memory sucks. Reality is not what you seem. Psychologists have done tests on the mind and memory. I saw a good documentary about this. There were a handful of test subjects who were told it was just going to be a hike in the woods, and they take them on a trail with some phony crashed UFO's planted around the scene. There was military or police tape that read something of the effect of "Do Not Cross" and copious Warning signs. It's funny how their imaginations came alive. 6 months later when asked to describe the event, some of them swore that they saw military guards with machine guns yelling things at them. The adrenaline and fear and anxiety was high. Point is, there was no military actors or fake guns or anything like that. This is 6 months after the fact. What happens when it's oral tradition and stories are passed by word of mouth over and over through generations of illiterate bronze age peasants by the campfires? It's easy to realize how most of the Bible stories got fabricated and/or embellished. You've surely played the game "telephone" as a kid. Give a paragraph long description of something to someone and pass it along one by one to twenty people and see what kind of goofy shit comes out on the other side.

    I don't know if Jesus ever existed. It wouldn't surprise me, but there is no evidence. Josephus was likely a forgery and there were three other historians of the time that made literally a single mention of the word "Christos". There were at least 120 historians at the time, and you can't exactly use political swing as an excuse why they didn't report on Jesus. In fact, even if they have never come into contact with or heard about this "Jesus" character, they would have at least reported on the miracles or strange natural events that happened at the time of his supposed death such as the entire sky going black in the middle of the afternoon, dead saints rising from the dead, and catastrophic earth quakes. Why is none of this in the historians writings? Especially since some of them took good note on weather and any sort of chaotic events? The Bible and the Jesus story are very interesting works no doubt. Alan Dundes wrote a great short book called "Holy Writ As Oral Lit" that presents the thesis that Jesus is purely a character of folklore. I don't know. Historians tend to think Jesus existed, but based on what evidence? There certainly is no physical evidence. We don't have his body or anything owned by him. Is it merely the fact that Christianity EXISTS that historians blindly assume there really MUST have been a dude that served as inspiration for the faith i.e. Jesus? That would be some rather weak evidence... There are all sorts of ways small cults turn into religions. I have no evidence that Plato lived. I don't know if Mohammed lived. I refuse to blindly believe ANYTHING that there is no evidence for. I'll reserve my judgment.

    I haven't heard anything about so-called "junk science" being given another look. I'll check out your links and try to comment on some of the other points you made a little later. The last thing I want to say is that I'm not even sure what "junk science" is? I'm assuming it's synonymous with "pseudo-science" like that of homeopathy or some of the bullshit Deepak Chopra celebrates. If that's not what it is, I have no idea and I'll look into it regardless. It reminds me of "junk dna". And speaking of junk dna, sorry to keep bringing up evolution, it's just something I'm currently studying so it's been on my mind a lot.


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    Message me your freaking phone number, Shangs! Lol We'll have epic 4 hour long debates about the universe and other stupid shit. ha!

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    Would Science assume Anti-Science irrelevant?
    I'm genuinely curious, and ready to learn!

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    Based one the amount of wars and deaths incurred due to it, yes lol

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    Everything serving as ersatz for identity or granting identity absolution is dangerous. As soon as questioned, existence itself is indirectly questioned.

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    ^ That.
    And as existence is questioned, existence is something new (It doesn't exist).

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    Gimme danger, little stranger
    And I'll give you a piece
    Gimme danger, little stranger
    And I'll feel your disease

    There's nothing in my dreams
    Just some ugly memories
    Kiss me like the ocean breeze

    (hey!)

    Now if you will be my lover
    I will shiver insane
    But if you can be my master
    I will do anything

    There's nothing left to life
    But a pair glassy eyes
    Raze my feelings one more time

    (yeah!)

    Find a little strip and find a little stranger
    Yeah you're gonna feel my hand

    Said:
    I got a little angel, want a little danger
    Honey you're gonna feel my hand
    Swear you're gonna feel my hand
    Swear you're gonna feel my hand

    Gimme danger
    Little stranger
    Gimme danger
    Little stranger
    Gimme danger
    Little stranger
    Gimme danger
    Little stranger
    Gimme danger
    Little stranger
    Can you feel me?
    You gotta feel me!
    You gotta feel this
    Little stranger...
    Yes. It is dangerous. I wouldn't want it any other way. Strange entities giving prophets false leads? That haPpens more often.. even outside of what We all call "Religio"
    . . the fear takes hold

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    Basically I made this thread to make fun of and dismiss both the Religious and Anti-Religious. There's a Social Media/Youtube War going on between just about everyone and everything including this. Me? I'm drinking coffee, smoking weed, taking psych meds and playing with a gun like a Child on a Swingset while everything burns down and the fallout covers and contaminates everything without.giving.a.single.fuck. ...and THAT'S wisdom. LOL
    OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM


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    Religion makes me angry...

    Ever tried to save somebody's life...and be told you CAN'T because their religion FORBIDS it.

    religion is fucking shite. we live in a world where people die every single day needlessly because they believe their "god" will not accept them if they allow doctors to intervene and help them survive...

    Brainwashed by narrow minded people who i think are just afraid of the real world and like to surround themselves with make believe and use it as an excuse to make them feel important.

    but thats just my opinion, and i can be a twat.


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