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Thread: How do you feel about Marilyn Manson as a rapper?

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    It's a side of him we've seen on occasion, going all the way back to the Spooky Kids days.



    Some of the more hip-hop oriented material on The Golden Age Of Grotesque, I thought, was decent enough, with the exception of "Better Of Two Evils" which is groan-inducing. It's still much better than what "Ghetto Dracula" would have implied had Manson gone with that gimmick at its face value for the album, however.

    Strangely enough, Eat Me, Drink Me has traces of this in "The Red Carpet Grave".

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    Anything that suggests Rap or Hip Hop on The Golden Age Of Grotesque is merely an affectation, the only time Manson has really applied himself to those genres was No Class/Styrofoam Raps, and that was clearly meant to be a parody at a formative point when Hip Hop itself hadn't become truly 'Household'.
    The Omen, or that thing with Gucci Mane don't really impact, because they didn't require him to do anything other than say stuff in his regular Marilyn Manson voice.

    I think that whilst he's been alert enough to recognise the relative furore in Hip Hop at points in his own career - hence associating himself with Eminem and D12, calling himself 'Dr. Double-Entendre', referencing Snoop, putting a mild trap beat on SAY10 etc. - anything other than a cheerful nod to the genre would seem wholly insincere.
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    ^^^
    Indeed much better to supplement than supplant.
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    I always considered most tracks on TGAOG to have more Rap-Oriented vocals, which i enjoyed, because he voice sounds great while doing it, because it requires a certain attitude to Rap, and it's apparent in his voice when he does so.
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    Manson NAILS the violent & sexual braggadocio associated with the form as easily as he does the journalistic and LET'S PARTY NOW BEFORE WE DIE aspects so it's always seemed like a natural fit to me. Plus, he has a good voice, strong improv skills, and a fantastic rythmic flow to the beats he commands to boot.

    But, hey, "The Better of Two Evils" is also one of my favorite Manson songs so wtf do I know?

    And let's not forget that this whole "Marilyn Manson" thing basically started with a band of downtrodden black kids from South Florida getting discriminated against and persecuted for some "offensive and dirty" party jams while expressing themselves and defending their 1st Amendment rights in the first place.

    So, yeah.

    Manson and rap go hand-in-motherfucking-hand as far as I'm concerned.

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    That wasn't really the question, though. There's a multitude of artists and counter/sub-cultures we could align Marilyn Manson with, because as you've noted, the emergence of what he does was born out of a need for non-establishment commentary. His potential skills as an actual, accomplished Rapper are both hypothetical and wholly debatable, and probably not even within his own remit.

    Whether it was intentional or not, it grates on me how fundamentally people misunderstood his flirtation with 'Hip Hop' during The Golden Age Of Grotesque, because it wasn't a direct assimilation of the genre. He accomplished that with Glam/Fag Rock on Mechanical Animals, because all it required was him resurrecting a somewhat forgotten era to suit a post-modern commentary.
    In '03 he acknowledged that a new musical 'Terror' had been popularised since his response to Columbine, and that it had also been garbled poorly with Metal by much less interesting people in his own field. However, the allusion to Rap on that record is just that, no different to him suggesting he was a War-Time "Torch Singer". He wasn't doing Vera Lynn numbers and serenading the troops, and didn't do anything with rhyme and lyrical structure that wasn't already on Portrait Of An American Family, it was just "Version Point(Less)". You could note that Rap is an accelerated form of structured social poetry and so were Manson's lyrics at that point, but it's a cul-de-sac argument, Manson has never gone on record saying he was Rapping, people just assumed that because he dressed a particular way a few times.
    Whenever he goes near Rap or Hip Hop, the application isn't there. He didn't grow up cutting his tongue on mixtapes or at battles. The comparison with Eminem was cultural, not musical.
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    In my book, this is the best rap-oriented collaboration he has done, so far.
    I absolutely love his vocals on this one.

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    It would not surprise me in the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synaesthesia15 View Post
    In my book, this is the best rap-oriented collaboration he has done, so far.
    I absolutely love his vocals on this one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtyIQ3jB73M
    And a huge favorite of mine - one of my go to Eminem tracks actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpz View Post
    And a huge favorite of mine - one of my go to Eminem tracks actually.
    Can't go wrong with Eminem. He's the best white Rapper that revolutionized the entire Rap/Hip-Hop scene. The guy's definitely got it right in a time were Rap was becoming saturated. And in my book, he's the Manson of Hip-Hop.
    Where others were only rapping about moneys and ho's, he pushed the envelope with its homophobic/rapist/misogynist/violent/anti-political/anti-American lyrics, shocked millions of people with his satirical-violent performances, and has always kept his head straight whenever he was facing a threat. Even when he was called in court.
    The guy's definitely got the balls.
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