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Thread: Do you enjoy The Golden Age Of Grotesque more than EAT ME, DRINK ME?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justsomeguy View Post
    “H8erz call me bitch, call me faggot, call me whitey”

    Nuff said.

    As a whole, it’s a terrible album, lyrically and musically (with one or two outstanding exceptions), and also visually, in my own opinion. People always talk about the ‘context’ and Manson’s public behaviour or persona when they praise that album, but a good album those things do not make.
    I think the lyricism is supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, hence the nonsensical wordplay. It's for fun. I think the imagery for the album was well executed during the Grotesk Burlesk Tour, and along with the music videos, doppelhertz, etc. The album itself falls flat, but it's still no doubt a banger. It just depends on the mood for me. That particular track you quoted is one of the weaker tracks for sure.

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    Ack, you're totally right Nemoris, I was confused (I blame Shang.)

    I also agree that GAOG seemed divisive at the time and seems a bit less so now, based on what I've been reading here recently (though what I was reading is from 8 years ago.) :/ Of course, this thread shows that it's still at least somewhat divisive. Justsomeguy, which 1-2 songs from GAOG would you say are exceptions?

    Mansoniser, doesn't England have 6 months of rain? Which album would you listen to in those conditions?

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    Golden Age is my second favorite album after HW. It was such a fun time... I did a lot of drinking and cocaine back then and the album has such an attitude and style I love, and still do. This album has held up and miss this tour and line up.

    EMDM is way underrated, but I feel he just started to become a bit lazy during live shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck5 View Post
    Mansoniser, doesn't England have 6 months of rain? Which album would you listen to in those conditions?

    How dare you?

    We have at least 8 months, and say I was walking in the rain, on a particularly miserable night, Manson wise it'd probably be THEoL, but if it raining in the Summer, you need more.fast paced songs, ACSS would probably be a good fit for these occasions, although with the rain, perhaps Holy Wood would be better.

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    EMDM is much better. "Spade" belongs on that album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Overman View Post
    EMDM is much better. "Spade" belongs on that album.
    I've always said Spade belonged on HW...

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    I find EMDM a much more interesting album, musically. I adore GAOG's imagery and how "artsy" it was but the actual album has always felt like what people who have no idea what MM sounds like think he sounds like if that makes any sense. Besides BV, it's definitely the album I listen to the least and I find it hard to listen to in one sitting because it's just a constant barrage of noise (besides Spade). I still enjoy it though.

    Still EMDM beats it any day of the week for me. Love the mood, sound and imagery.

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    Absolutely, hands down. While EMDM isn't Manson's worst effort, it's very repetitive, cheap sounding and dont even get me started on the laughable imagery. It is not a good record.

    That said it does have a few killer tracks, and the guitar solos were greatly appreciated. The title track is absolutely stellar. As much as I dislike it and its follow up, I feel both of these records were the record Manson HAD to make, like they were therapy for the man and they were a turning point with MM breaking out of his skin and really experimenting. A trend I think he has continued and refined and improved with each album since.

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    Definitely not. Conceptually, The Golden Age of Grotesque is brilliant - but it's too high concept for its own good, and a mish-mash of industrial and nu-metal could never adequately capture the vibe that Manson achieved in his lyrics and image. That whole album probably should have been like the title track - it wouldn't have sold for shit, but it absolutely would have solidified Manson as an artistic force. Everytime I hear GAOG, I can't help but think that I'd rather be listening to a full-tilt musically Dadaist album, with jazz saxophones and everything to really capture the period Manson was going for.

    Eat Me, Drink Me is more appropriate for what it was trying to capture.
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    I wasn't sure. then I went back to them.. .and Yeah. GAOG.... better.

    GAOG is frustrating as an album. some amazingly strong songs and some really not so good ones. Side 1 was great and Side 2 is pretty much never listened. in saying that side 1 has 7 strong songs and a couple from side 2 are decent enough. There is less flow than almost any other album (apart from HUD and HEOL although HEOL had an atmosphere to it too) and difficult to listen to as an album. but the art from that era. his look and style and art and live Berlin show etc etc is outstanding. and it really helped the whole thing and I have fond memories from it.

    EMDM style was boring... so boring... oh poor me etc. and look at all the blood on the wall... It has on the whole more of a consistent sound and consistently good songs although on the whole very few of the good songs rival GAOG good songs and GAOG had 7 good songs on Side 1. There are only a couple of standout songs whilst the rest are just good and then some awful ones. Heart Shaped Glasses for me is amongst his worst. Putting Holes in Happiness is another that is amongst his worst. much easier to listen to though with a great atmosphere. and that closing song...... one of my favourite closing Manson songs. On the whole though. too boring. too much angst... the lyrics are not interesting to me and neither is the theme or look of the "era".

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